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Reply #1110 posted 05/13/16 7:36am

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nemesis2099 said:



cardinal said:


no doubt, if he had a drug problem, the vultures would have enjoyed feasting on him and using any excuse to pester the living crap out of him. as to the concert, i heard it...his voice was the best i ever heard him....no way he just got over the flu. even dr drew called bullshit on it weeks ago. he was talking about the plane incident and said "please spare me the flu bs" and the bit about him needing fluids because dehydration? drew said basically no one under 80, absent a medical issue, needs to be hospitalized for dehydration. more bullshit. but hey, if it bleeds, it leads, right? its all about the $$$$$


This already appears to be going down the Marilyn Monroe route, who Prince probaly studied quite well, the script was already written...it's all show-busine$$ at the end of the day



some people made fun of prince's proclivity for "conspiracy theories." david icke (who i know many here think is a crackpot), did a very nice tribute on video to prince. and the thing i remember him saying is that prince knew that the people who LOOK to us to be in control, aren't really the ones in control, and that prince was very plugged in to that.

sometimes things are not conspiracy theories, they are just conspiracies.

"do i have a friend tonight?" --prince, in his last concert in atlanta bawl
"If u love somebody, your life won't be in vain
And there's always a rainbow, at the end of every rain."--peace and love, dear prince.....
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Reply #1111 posted 05/13/16 7:44am

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I come to this item for autopsy/investigation updates. Perhaps a tin foil hat thread should be started and this discussion ported over there.

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Reply #1112 posted 05/13/16 7:45am

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migmigmig said:

I come to this item for autopsy/investigation updates. Perhaps a tin foil hat thread should be started and this discussion ported over there.


Agreed.

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Reply #1113 posted 05/13/16 8:00am

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Come on, it's obvious he was abducted by aliens years ago, and the new body only had a specific life span... we all know that, right?

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Reply #1114 posted 05/13/16 8:09am

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pointing out that there are some strange aspects to his passing and that there are people who will profit off it is hardly devling into the realm of alien abductions or multilayered murder plots.

and seriously,does anyone actually believe that the powers that be are even remotely transparent about what goes on in this country?

what we get as "news" is carefully crafted swill. personally, i am glad prince chose to live in minn, because if he were in ca or ny, i doubt we would ever get the truth. but midwesterners appear to be honest almost to a fault, and i trust that sheriff to find and share the truth.


"do i have a friend tonight?" --prince, in his last concert in atlanta bawl
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And there's always a rainbow, at the end of every rain."--peace and love, dear prince.....
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Reply #1115 posted 05/13/16 8:10am

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autopsy/investigation updates here

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Reply #1116 posted 05/13/16 8:47am

kapo74

Holy mother... 38 pages in this thread and the official reports are not even in yet.
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Reply #1117 posted 05/13/16 8:49am

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eyewishuheaven said:

migmigmig said:

I come to this item for autopsy/investigation updates. Perhaps a tin foil hat thread should be started and this discussion ported over there.


Agreed.



Good idea but you guys need to report the comments that you think are questionable. They already have an absurdities sticky at the top of the forum. nod

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Reply #1118 posted 05/13/16 8:50am

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migmigmig said:

I come to this item for autopsy/investigation updates. Perhaps a tin foil hat thread should be started and this discussion ported over there.

lol

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Reply #1119 posted 05/13/16 9:10am

RiotPaisley

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spastic78 said:


nursev said:


truly sad



It is really sad especially if he might have had some idea that he was sick. And maybe there would not have been such a huge media presence has Sheila E. not said, "I want answers," and then flown to MSP. But someone keeps leaking info and I wonder why? In Scalia's case no one is looking for an explanation of why or how he died. And no one is leaking info. Same as Oswald Patton's wife (which might take a year to get results as the ME's office is behind schedule about 11 months). No one is asking for explanations but with Prince there are quite a few (not just us fans) asking for explanations. So let's look at those who are "seeking answers"...Sheila E. made a stink about it and then Tyka's husband alluded to drug use and pain med abuse. And TMZ & BG appeared to chronicle every step of the investigation prompting sleepy Carver County cops and ME to be super cautious -which means they won't leave a stone unturned so that they can cover there butts particularly as our nation has an opiod abuse epidemic.

In the Scalia case he had known life threatening medical issues. He had heart problems and couldn't have surgery for a torm rotery because he was not healthy enough. So they're not gonna freak about his passing. It was sort of expected.
Now Michelle Mcnamara's (Oswald Patton,s wife) case is a bit weird because everyones like oh 40something woman dies in her sleep ok we'll quietly wait to find out why. But then again she didn't OD on opioids a week before. And she wasn't a huge pop culture icon they could make an example of.
I still think Prince took caugh suppressant with codine in it before or durring the show and took a his normal pain pill on the plane and oops. It happens and not because someone is an addict they just don't think about what they're taking and over do it. It's only caugh suryp it can't hurt me...



I don't even necessarily think it had to be cough meds with codeine. I'm not sure why a doc would prescribe that if he was already taking pain meds. It very well could have been some otc flu meds.

The man hardly ate- I have a feeling that may have played some role in this. But speaking of food. I read he had a pretty crazy sweet tooth. This could indicate an opioid issue as it affects your insulin. I had a friend who was an addict, pills, heroin, they were even injecting themselves with the gel from those pain patches. Anyway she got sober, and let me know that eating a lot of candy/ chocolate was one of her tells. Well we went to a show one night and she went through a bag of jolly ranchers and I got worried but you can't call them out because they just lie about it anyway and it's pretty pointless. A couple months later it was confirmed she was in full blown relapse. I have no idea where she is now.

Opioids are a hell of a drug- you can have it all and still fall victim. In my opinion, it's the ultimate chemical weapon. No need for bombs. The US is destroying itself- inside out.
Surprise, surprise.
Another treat. Another trick.
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Reply #1120 posted 05/13/16 9:22am

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migmigmig said:

I come to this item for autopsy/investigation updates. Perhaps a tin foil hat thread should be started and this discussion ported over there.

Exactly. We all want closure, and I mean no disrespect, but this is getting too weird.

In my heart, I know you're somewhere laughing in the purple rain...
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Reply #1121 posted 05/13/16 9:25am

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RiotPaisley said:

LittleMsZ said:



spastic78 said:


nursev said:


truly sad



It is really sad especially if he might have had some idea that he was sick. And maybe there would not have been such a huge media presence has Sheila E. not said, "I want answers," and then flown to MSP. But someone keeps leaking info and I wonder why? In Scalia's case no one is looking for an explanation of why or how he died. And no one is leaking info. Same as Oswald Patton's wife (which might take a year to get results as the ME's office is behind schedule about 11 months). No one is asking for explanations but with Prince there are quite a few (not just us fans) asking for explanations. So let's look at those who are "seeking answers"...Sheila E. made a stink about it and then Tyka's husband alluded to drug use and pain med abuse. And TMZ & BG appeared to chronicle every step of the investigation prompting sleepy Carver County cops and ME to be super cautious -which means they won't leave a stone unturned so that they can cover there butts particularly as our nation has an opiod abuse epidemic.

In the Scalia case he had known life threatening medical issues. He had heart problems and couldn't have surgery for a torm rotery because he was not healthy enough. So they're not gonna freak about his passing. It was sort of expected.
Now Michelle Mcnamara's (Oswald Patton,s wife) case is a bit weird because everyones like oh 40something woman dies in her sleep ok we'll quietly wait to find out why. But then again she didn't OD on opioids a week before. And she wasn't a huge pop culture icon they could make an example of.
I still think Prince took caugh suppressant with codine in it before or durring the show and took a his normal pain pill on the plane and oops. It happens and not because someone is an addict they just don't think about what they're taking and over do it. It's only caugh suryp it can't hurt me...



I don't even necessarily think it had to be cough meds with codeine. I'm not sure why a doc would prescribe that if he was already taking pain meds. It very well could have been some otc flu meds.

The man hardly ate- I have a feeling that may have played some role in this. But speaking of food. I read he had a pretty crazy sweet tooth. This could indicate an opioid issue as it affects your insulin. I had a friend who was an addict, pills, heroin, they were even injecting themselves with the gel from those pain patches. Anyway she got sober, and let me know that eating a lot of candy/ chocolate was one of her tells. Well we went to a show one night and she went through a bag of jolly ranchers and I got worried but you can't call them out because they just lie about it anyway and it's pretty pointless. A couple months later it was confirmed she was in full blown relapse. I have no idea where she is now.

Opioids are a hell of a drug- you can have it all and still fall victim. In my opinion, it's the ultimate chemical weapon. No need for bombs. The US is destroying itself- inside out.


i do believe that his habit of not eating much, not drinking much, and when he did eat it was often sweet stuff, that can mess with the system for sure. and if he took any prescription meds, that adds a whole other layer of potential problems. of course, if there was an underlying disease, then that could explain all of it, depending on what it could be.



"do i have a friend tonight?" --prince, in his last concert in atlanta bawl
"If u love somebody, your life won't be in vain
And there's always a rainbow, at the end of every rain."--peace and love, dear prince.....
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Reply #1122 posted 05/13/16 10:14am

LittleMsZ

RiotPaisley said:


I don't even necessarily think it had to be cough meds with codeine. I'm not sure why a doc would prescribe that if he was already taking pain meds. It very well could have been some otc flu meds. The man hardly ate- I have a feeling that may have played some role in this. But speaking of food. I read he had a pretty crazy sweet tooth. This could indicate an opioid issue as it affects your insulin. I had a friend who was an addict, pills, heroin, they were even injecting themselves with the gel from those pain patches. Anyway she got sober, and let me know that eating a lot of candy/ chocolate was one of her tells. Well we went to a show one night and she went through a bag of jolly ranchers and I got worried but you can't call them out because they just lie about it anyway and it's pretty pointless. A couple months later it was confirmed she was in full blown relapse. I have no idea where she is now. Opioids are a hell of a drug- you can have it all and still fall victim. In my opinion, it's the ultimate chemical weapon. No need for bombs. The US is destroying itself- inside out.

He was known to have a sweet tooth from way back. That's not something that happened in the last decade or so. He had a thing for gum and candy and was known to munch on cookies back stage. Unless he was on something back when he opened for The Stones I'm thinking he just had a sweet tooth to start with.
He may have gotten caugh suryp from a doc in Atl without mentioning "by the way I'm on pain meds". OTC meds wouldn't cause an OD of opioids. He sounded great that night, not one little bit of gravel no caugh kinda makes me wonder what he took for that.
I'm sure the not sleeping,not eatting, not taking in fluids and working like he did all had a part in it.
Codine caugh suryp is a standard thing for singers to use to get through shows like vitimine B shots so the docs that work with a venue don't think much of it when someone says I need caugh suryp.
He may have had an addiction but then again he may have just been on pain meds for an extended period and been trying to get off them after what happened on the way home. Going cold turkey can kill you too.

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Reply #1123 posted 05/13/16 10:26am

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zipped I'm trying really hard zipped

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Reply #1124 posted 05/13/16 10:28am

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morningsong said:

zipped I'm trying really hard zipped

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Okay Dawne, that's really not cool. What have thee to say?

"He's a musician's musician..."
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Reply #1125 posted 05/13/16 10:31am

morningsong

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morningsong said:

zipped I'm trying really hard zipped

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Okay Dawne, that's really not cool. What have thee to say?

Gossipwise. Not a thing.

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Reply #1126 posted 05/13/16 10:59am

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cardinal said:

RiotPaisley said:
I don't even necessarily think it had to be cough meds with codeine. I'm not sure why a doc would prescribe that if he was already taking pain meds. It very well could have been some otc flu meds. The man hardly ate- I have a feeling that may have played some role in this. But speaking of food. I read he had a pretty crazy sweet tooth. This could indicate an opioid issue as it affects your insulin. I had a friend who was an addict, pills, heroin, they were even injecting themselves with the gel from those pain patches. Anyway she got sober, and let me know that eating a lot of candy/ chocolate was one of her tells. Well we went to a show one night and she went through a bag of jolly ranchers and I got worried but you can't call them out because they just lie about it anyway and it's pretty pointless. A couple months later it was confirmed she was in full blown relapse. I have no idea where she is now. Opioids are a hell of a drug- you can have it all and still fall victim. In my opinion, it's the ultimate chemical weapon. No need for bombs. The US is destroying itself- inside out.
i do believe that his habit of not eating much, not drinking much, and when he did eat it was often sweet stuff, that can mess with the system for sure. and if he took any prescription meds, that adds a whole other layer of potential problems. of course, if there was an underlying disease, then that could explain all of it, depending on what it could be. "do i have a friend tonight?" --prince, in his last concert in atlanta bawl

Many issues and questions, just down to the fact that he is "addicted" to a pain killer which makes you sleep, which is a contradiction of how he lives his life and was living it. So there MIGHT and I say might be other things that he took in combination that just did this, who knows, did he take too much, who was getting this "too much" for him. For me if all is true and a doctor is writing prescriptions to a man that has a eating issues and sleeping issues and runs around like he does, where is the regulation, now that raises questions was someone getting stuff for him, a band member a friend etc...or just a pen happy doctor.


"We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F
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Reply #1127 posted 05/13/16 11:10am

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nemesis2099 said:

cardinal said:

nemesis2099 said: this was meant to be in the cnn thread but its locked. it fits here though. muleFunk said: You are not going to speak out like on Dr. Mr Man and Dreamer and not have these people on you. i hate to don the foil, but this keeps bothering me. he spoke out about freddie gray.he spoke about chemtrails. he spoke about income inequality. he wanted people off drugs, living a clean and empowered life. he didn't want to suck down bigpharmas solution to everything. he just won a multiyear battle with wb and got his stuff back. he was embarking on a unique and compelling tour which could have been the start of an even more reflective and politically outspoken phase of his career. and now he is dead. from drugs. at 57, a clean living, celibate, quiet man with no known drug problem. dead with a vault full of music and no will. i find it all a little too convenient for the many who will profit big. "do i have a friend tonight?" --prince at his last concert in atlanta bawl [Edited 5/13/16 5:35am]

Nothing Tin foil about it, notice how the buzzwords 'Perocet' and 'Wallgreens' keep appearing in the headlines, advertising, no??

If he did have a major drug problem, i doubt he could've kept it out of the headlines this long, they wouldve loved to bring him down while he was still alive, i.e Tiger woods, Tyson, O.J.

Didnt sound bad at all in the last Atlanta show after apparently recovering from the flu, don't remember hearing a cough? hmmm , could've been recorded 20 years ago and would'nt have noticed the difference..

That's the thing, nobody ever saw him looking high in a show. I've been to a few shows by him and he never came across as someone under the influence of anything rather than music!

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Reply #1128 posted 05/13/16 11:14am

MMJas

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cardinal said:

nemesis2099 said:

This already appears to be going down the Marilyn Monroe route, who Prince probaly studied quite well, the script was already written...it's all show-busine$$ at the end of the day

some people made fun of prince's proclivity for "conspiracy theories." david icke (who i know many here think is a crackpot), did a very nice tribute on video to prince. and the thing i remember him saying is that prince knew that the people who LOOK to us to be in control, aren't really the ones in control, and that prince was very plugged in to that. sometimes things are not conspiracy theories, they are just conspiracies. "do i have a friend tonight?" --prince, in his last concert in atlanta bawl

David Icke has many interesting things to say. I sure don't agree with everything, but I do agree with some and his tribute to Prince was quite nice. Now, he could be just jumping on the bandwagon and saying: "See? Prince also believed in chemtrails, just like me!" but one thing is for certain... there were no chemtrails when I was a kid growing up, only normal shaped clouds. razz

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Reply #1129 posted 05/13/16 11:15am

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zipped I'm trying really hard zipped

Just say what you mean. wink

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Reply #1130 posted 05/13/16 11:23am

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MMJas said:

morningsong said:

zipped I'm trying really hard zipped

Just say what you mean. wink

I did.

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Reply #1131 posted 05/13/16 11:25am

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MMJas said:

cardinal said:

nemesis2099 said: some people made fun of prince's proclivity for "conspiracy theories." david icke (who i know many here think is a crackpot), did a very nice tribute on video to prince. and the thing i remember him saying is that prince knew that the people who LOOK to us to be in control, aren't really the ones in control, and that prince was very plugged in to that. sometimes things are not conspiracy theories, they are just conspiracies. "do i have a friend tonight?" --prince, in his last concert in atlanta bawl

David Icke has many interesting things to say. I sure don't agree with everything, but I do agree with some and his tribute to Prince was quite nice. Now, he could be just jumping on the bandwagon and saying: "See? Prince also believed in chemtrails, just like me!" but one thing is for certain... there were no chemtrails when I was a kid growing up, only normal shaped clouds. razz

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Chemtrails are more for the cities, that's why it's always crazy in the cities, there's probaly ghetto chemtrails too wink pimp2

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Reply #1132 posted 05/13/16 11:31am

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Per an article for USA Today;

"Three weeks after Prince's death on April 21, we still don't know what killed him, except that prescription painkillers might have played a role.

The Carver County Sheriff's Department has told USA TODAY that Prince's autopsy report would not be ready Friday, nor do they expect to release it next week."

http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/music/2016/05/13/five-nagging-questions-princes-death/84297258/

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Reply #1133 posted 05/13/16 11:34am

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nelcp777 said:

Per an article for USA Today;



"Three weeks after Prince's death on April 21, we still don't know what killed him, except that prescription painkillers might have played a role.


The Carver County Sheriff's Department has told USA TODAY that Prince's autopsy report would not be ready Friday, nor do they expect to release it next week."



http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/music/2016/05/13/five-nagging-questions-princes-death/84297258/






So does anyone know who was the acquaintance who dropped Prince off at PP the night of April 20th?
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Reply #1134 posted 05/13/16 11:46am

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nelcp777 said:

Per an article for USA Today;



"Three weeks after Prince's death on April 21, we still don't know what killed him, except that prescription painkillers might have played a role.


The Carver County Sheriff's Department has told USA TODAY that Prince's autopsy report would not be ready Friday, nor do they expect to release it next week."



http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/music/2016/05/13/five-nagging-questions-princes-death/84297258/





It will likely be 6 weeks out at this point. Ughhhhh
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Reply #1135 posted 05/13/16 12:26pm

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Hello all. I'm a lurker who has been helped immeasurably by this site in the last few weeks. Thank you to all the long-time (and new) posters who have helped make these recent times slightly more bearable for me.

I'm not sure if this is the right place to post this (as it's just speculation, not reporting of facts), but this has been bothering me a lot and i want to ask others' opinions:

There is an assumption that Prince was alone all night on April 20-21. My question is: How do we know that is true? How do we know someone else wasn't there (for some or all the night) who doesn't want it known that they were there (and has tried to keep his or her presence a secret)? perhaps this person was supposed to be keeping an eye on Prince and lost sight of him, or because they were involved/have knowledge about what happened?

Again, this is all just me trying to understand how Prince could have had a "grave medical emergency" severe enough to cause someone in his circle to call the California doctor, but not severe enough to prevent all his friends/staff from just heading off for the night?

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Reply #1136 posted 05/13/16 12:27pm

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nemesis2099 said:



MMJas said:




cardinal said:


nemesis2099 said: some people made fun of prince's proclivity for "conspiracy theories." david icke (who i know many here think is a crackpot), did a very nice tribute on video to prince. and the thing i remember him saying is that prince knew that the people who LOOK to us to be in control, aren't really the ones in control, and that prince was very plugged in to that. sometimes things are not conspiracy theories, they are just conspiracies. "do i have a friend tonight?" --prince, in his last concert in atlanta bawl


David Icke has many interesting things to say. I sure don't agree with everything, but I do agree with some and his tribute to Prince was quite nice. Now, he could be just jumping on the bandwagon and saying: "See? Prince also believed in chemtrails, just like me!" but one thing is for certain... there were no chemtrails when I was a kid growing up, only normal shaped clouds. razz


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Chemtrails are more for the cities, that's why it's always crazy in the cities, there's probaly ghetto chemtrails too wink pimp2



ya never know smile .....what interests me more than the actual existence (or not) of chemtrails is that prince was always questioning and challenging the power structure and the path that the powers that be clearly wanted the masses to follow. thats why david icke, reptiles aside, probably appealed to him. like prince, he was not content to ingest the mass produced main stream media swill disguised as "news" about what is happening in the world. most of us probably question it to some degree, prince perhaps more than most. and even if he was sometimes incorrect, his willingness to always challenge what was told to him is one of the things i appreciate most about him.
"If u love somebody, your life won't be in vain
And there's always a rainbow, at the end of every rain."--peace and love, dear prince.....
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Reply #1137 posted 05/13/16 1:10pm

Ingela

I would imagine that the truth is, like it is with all lives.... complicated.

What goes on in ones mind and in ones life is never a perfect thing with a ribbon on top and easily explainable and understandable and fit in a pretty box. Certainly Prince's wasn't and the answers will come in slowly from all of those who loved him. It's going to take a little while
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Reply #1138 posted 05/13/16 1:40pm

Mkilpatrick74

Ingela said:

I would imagine that the truth is, like it is with all lives.... complicated.

What goes on in ones mind and in ones life is never a perfect thing with a ribbon on top and easily explainable and understandable and fit in a pretty box. Certainly Prince's wasn't and the answers will come in slowly from all of those who loved him. It's going to take a little while


Very well said πŸ’œπŸ’œπŸ’œπŸ’œπŸ’œ
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Reply #1139 posted 05/13/16 2:09pm

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disch said:

Hello all. I'm a lurker who has been helped immeasurably by this site in the last few weeks. Thank you to all the long-time (and new) posters who have helped make these recent times slightly more bearable for me.



I'm not sure if this is the right place to post this (as it's just speculation, not reporting of facts), but this has been bothering me a lot and i want to ask others' opinions:



There is an assumption that Prince was alone all night on April 20-21. My question is: How do we know that is true? How do we know someone else wasn't there (for some or all the night) who doesn't want it known that they were there (and has tried to keep his or her presence a secret)? perhaps this person was supposed to be keeping an eye on Prince and lost sight of him, or because they were involved/have knowledge about what happened?



Again, this is all just me trying to understand how Prince could have had a "grave medical emergency" severe enough to cause someone in his circle to call the California doctor, but not severe enough to prevent all his friends/staff from just heading off for the night?


Hi! Im new here too...I also wondered the same thing...the whole "grave medical emergency"..Who made that call, what time was it made in relation to the Walgreen's run? I also wonder if its possible Prince overdosed again the night of the 20th and was given another Narcan shot from the inside, like maybe after the (suspected) overdose on the plane, he was given a kit or someone got it for him....And saved him again. Then called the Cali doc...Maybe this person couldnt get Prince to go to the hospital after..Maybe he kept an eye on him til Prince fell asleep or told him to leave...And then fell asleep his/herself...If Prince went into a bad withdrawal and took either a benzo or more percs he may have been disoriented and took too many or didnt need alot at that point to overdose..I dont mean to upset anyone on here by speculating as such so im sorry
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