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Thread started 03/12/16 4:44pm

elf9933

Is this the lowest point of Princes popularity or have there been worse?

It seems like even after the UTCM and Graffiti bridge debacles or the odd Award show appearances it seems P was still in an upper echalant of stars. While he is more of a legend now than then it seems no one cares about new albums no one is discussing his tours and the stuff that is left alone in YouTube barely get any views. Is this the chickens coming home to roost because of his ill thought out war with the net or has his lack of big splashes of late finally made him a non issue.I think it's the former. His lack of net exposure has killed off a whole generation. Dumb move my man.
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Reply #1 posted 03/12/16 6:27pm

nursev

The man is 57 years old I mean at this point I dont think he gives a shit. His legacy is set even if he never sells another song.

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Reply #2 posted 03/12/16 6:43pm

elf9933

nursev said:

The man is 57 years old I mean at this point I dont think he gives a shit. His legacy is set even if he never sells another song.


If you think P will ever stop caring or giving a huge shit you're way off. His self love has fuelled him since he was 20. If he didn't care he wouldn't release three albums in 2 years or do anything but tour and have exclusive parties in Los Angeles. P will care till the day he becomes too senile to.
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Reply #3 posted 03/12/16 7:01pm

babynoz

Prince, in you I found a kindred spirit...Rest In Paradise.
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Reply #4 posted 03/12/16 7:08pm

nursev

elf9933 said:

nursev said:

The man is 57 years old I mean at this point I dont think he gives a shit. His legacy is set even if he never sells another song.

If you think P will ever stop caring or giving a huge shit you're way off. His self love has fuelled him since he was 20. If he didn't care he wouldn't release three albums in 2 years or do anything but tour and have exclusive parties in Los Angeles. P will care till the day he becomes too senile to.

Nah he doesn't lol If he did the Org wouldve been shut down years ago. lol

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Reply #5 posted 03/12/16 7:37pm

elf9933

nursev said:



elf9933 said:


nursev said:

The man is 57 years old I mean at this point I dont think he gives a shit. His legacy is set even if he never sells another song.



If you think P will ever stop caring or giving a huge shit you're way off. His self love has fuelled him since he was 20. If he didn't care he wouldn't release three albums in 2 years or do anything but tour and have exclusive parties in Los Angeles. P will care till the day he becomes too senile to.

Nah he doesn't lol If he did the Org wouldve been shut down years ago. lol


Jesus what's wrong with this site. You can't even have a sensible debate about P career without to be told you have to go to the Absurdities thread jail. This is absurd. That's why I never post here anymore.
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Reply #6 posted 03/12/16 7:42pm

nursev

elf9933 said:

nursev said:

Nah he doesn't lol If he did the Org wouldve been shut down years ago. lol

Jesus what's wrong with this site. You can't even have a sensible debate about P career without to be told you have to go to the Absurdities thread jail. This is absurd. That's why I never post here anymore.

aww dont be upset comfort your thread is still alive

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Reply #7 posted 03/12/16 8:38pm

lwr001

elf9933 said:

It seems like even after the UTCM and Graffiti bridge debacles or the odd Award show appearances it seems P was still in an upper echalant of stars. While he is more of a legend now than then it seems no one cares about new albums no one is discussing his tours and the stuff that is left alone in YouTube barely get any views. Is this the chickens coming home to roost because of his ill thought out war with the net or has his lack of big splashes of late finally made him a non issue.I think it's the former. His lack of net exposure has killed off a whole generation. Dumb move my man.

no one is discussing his tous: really..your statement laughable ..go back and look at his enterance to golden state game and the associated news with it. you cant be unpopular and move 27 some odd thousand at a high price point within minutes ...and by the his concerts are atteneded by multi generations ...young and old

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Reply #8 posted 03/12/16 8:40pm

lwr001

elf9933 said:

nursev said:

Nah he doesn't lol If he did the Org wouldve been shut down years ago. lol

Jesus what's wrong with this site. You can't even have a sensible debate about P career without to be told you have to go to the Absurdities thread jail. This is absurd. That's why I never post here anymore.

and frankly, your debate is not sensible....

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Reply #9 posted 03/12/16 8:50pm

lwr001

elf9933 said:

It seems like even after the UTCM and Graffiti bridge debacles or the odd Award show appearances it seems P was still in an upper echalant of stars. While he is more of a legend now than then it seems no one cares about new albums no one is discussing his tours and the stuff that is left alone in YouTube barely get any views. Is this the chickens coming home to roost because of his ill thought out war with the net or has his lack of big splashes of late finally made him a non issue.I think it's the former. His lack of net exposure has killed off a whole generation. Dumb move my man.

what you judge as popular is probably not he correct formula..there has been a paridigm shift in the business model..he gonna release whatever he wants, whenever...he tours whenever the moment hits..only a free person can release an EDM influenced record, follow up with a big band record then do a solo piano tour,,,the reviews are the best he has probably ever recieved ,...not sure where you getting no one is talknig about his tours as its an inaccurate statement and your credibilty goes down the toilet when you state that ..a sports talk radio show gave him a glowing review last; sports talk radio...

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Reply #10 posted 03/13/16 12:37am

Bohemian67

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Defiine popular. Prince doesn't need to be popular. Beethoven is long gone and not popular but I still get off on Moonlight Sonata every now and then as I'm sure others do. It's about art, not being popular.

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You need to follow Prince on twitter where his team and I presume sometimes he, posts links to independent journalists and articles which say a lot more about Prince's stance than what you read in mainstream media. e.g. this mornings breakfast in bed read.

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http://yaleherald.com/culture/kanye-beyonce-rihanna-and-the-pop-reformation/

Where is the flipping 'insert link' button here?

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Nice article though. Prince supports equality and in artists being paid, not the middle man sucking them dry. Tidal is the new deal and I'm happy with it though I can't live without youtube as well.

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Don't worry about some of the reactions. All types on here to match all of Prince's genres and some of the chirps are really quite funny and clever! lol

"Free URself, B the best that U can B, 3rd Apartment from the Sun, nothing left to fear" Prince Rogers Nelson - Forever in my Life -
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Reply #11 posted 03/13/16 12:53am

thedance

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Prince is at a low point in his career, right now, for sure.. nod

He can't sell his albums, and he can't even get a decent company signing anymore....

He can still play live, he is still great in concerts even I haven't heard much of his piano sets,

I did dl one of his new piano shows and that was boring to me, but to be there and see him live - is probably a nice experience.

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Reply #12 posted 03/13/16 12:59am

elf9933

Bohemian67 said:

Defiine popular. Prince doesn't need to be popular. Beethoven is long gone and not popular but I still get off on Moonlight Sonata every now and then as I'm sure others do. It's about art, not being popular.



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You need to follow Prince on twitter where his team and I presume sometimes he, posts links to independent journalists and articles which say a lot more about Prince's stance than what you read in mainstream media. e.g. this mornings breakfast in bed read.


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http://yaleherald.com/culture/kanye-beyonce-rihanna-and-the-pop-reformation/



Where is the flipping 'insert link' button here?


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Nice article though. Prince supports equality and in artists being paid, not the middle man sucking them dry. Tidal is the new deal and I'm happy with it though I can't live without youtube as well.


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Don't worry about some of the reactions. All types on here to match all of Prince's genres and some of the chirps are really quite funny and clever! lol



You guys really live in a bubble. Getting props at a bb game with an aged audience is not that impressive. 25 years after the Beatles revolution teens still went through their Beatle phase like it was a coming of age. Laughable argument my foot. You check some of these view counts on YouTube for the stuff he can't take off and it's embarrassing.Trees falling in an irrelevant forest don't make a sound. While Ps legacy may be sound his revolutionary deeds are slowly being totally forgotten by a new generation save a few diehard musicians that love him. The new generation is the generation of the Internet. Just like the 90s were the PC the 80s MTV and the Seventies TV. His obsession with monetizing every song has made him a non factor. He needs to let his YouTube flag fly free. That's my may drag as he would say.
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Reply #13 posted 03/13/16 1:01am

elf9933

elf9933 said:

Bohemian67 said:

Defiine popular. Prince doesn't need to be popular. Beethoven is long gone and not popular but I still get off on Moonlight Sonata every now and then as I'm sure others do. It's about art, not being popular.



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You need to follow Prince on twitter where his team and I presume sometimes he, posts links to independent journalists and articles which say a lot more about Prince's stance than what you read in mainstream media. e.g. this mornings breakfast in bed read.


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http://yaleherald.com/culture/kanye-beyonce-rihanna-and-the-pop-reformation/



Where is the flipping 'insert link' button here?


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Nice article though. Prince supports equality and in artists being paid, not the middle man sucking them dry. Tidal is the new deal and I'm happy with it though I can't live without youtube as well.


-


Don't worry about some of the reactions. All types on here to match all of Prince's genres and some of the chirps are really quite funny and clever! lol



You guys really live in a bubble. Getting props at a bb game with an aged audience is not that impressive. 25 years after the Beatles revolution teens still went through their Beatle phase like it was a coming of age. Laughable argument my foot. You check some of these view counts on YouTube for the stuff he can't take off and it's embarrassing.Trees falling in an irrelevant forest don't make a sound. While Ps legacy may be sound his revolutionary deeds are slowly being totally forgotten by a new generation save a few diehard musicians that love him. The new generation is the generation of the Internet. Just like the 90s were the PC the 80s MTV and the Seventies TV. His obsession with monetizing every song has made him a non factor. He needs to let his YouTube flag fly free. That's my may drag as he would say.

Main drag. Spell check.
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Reply #14 posted 03/13/16 1:17am

NouveauDance

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hmm

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Reply #15 posted 03/13/16 1:30am

jayspud

elf9933 said:

It seems like even after the UTCM and Graffiti bridge debacles or the odd Award show appearances it seems P was still in an upper echalant of stars. While he is more of a legend now than then it seems no one cares about new albums no one is discussing his tours and the stuff that is left alone in YouTube barely get any views. Is this the chickens coming home to roost because of his ill thought out war with the net or has his lack of big splashes of late finally made him a non issue.I think it's the former. His lack of net exposure has killed off a whole generation. Dumb move my man.

Right let's break this argument down.

1)" No-one cares about his new albums and no-one is discussing his tours".

http://www.rollingstone.c...w-20160122

. http://www.dailymail.co.u...-tour.html


http://www.billboard.com/...tour-video


http://fasterlouder.junkee.com/the-reviews-are-in-for-princes-breathtaking-piano-and-microphone-tour/857569

Right so clearly that isn't true of the Tour.


http://www.nme.com/reviews/prince/16361

http://www.rollingstone.c...o-20160114


http://pitchfork.com/revi...phase-two/


http://www.theguardian.co...view-album

Oh, or the album either.

Finally Youtube,

RocknRoll Hall of fame - 10,498,322 views

Purple Rain Live 9.099,968

Cream (from a VHS copy) 5,903,021

(Bearing in mind the last two aren't even official releases)

Prince has amazing control and to quote LWR001 "he gonna release whatever he wants, whenever...he tours whenever the moment hits..only a free person can release an EDM influenced record, follow up with a big band record then do a solo piano tour,,,the reviews are the best he has probably ever recieved"

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Reply #16 posted 03/13/16 1:34am

Bohemian67

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You guys really live in a bubble. Getting props at a bb game with an aged audience is not that impressive. 25 years after the Beatles revolution teens still went through their Beatle phase like it was a coming of age. Laughable argument my foot. You check some of these view counts on YouTube for the stuff he can't take off and it's embarrassing.Trees falling in an irrelevant forest don't make a sound. While Ps legacy may be sound his revolutionary deeds are slowly being totally forgotten by a new generation save a few diehard musicians that love him. The new generation is the generation of the Internet. Just like the 90s were the PC the 80s MTV and the Seventies TV. His obsession with monetizing every song has made him a non factor. He needs to let his YouTube flag fly free. That's my may drag as he would say.

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How many artists died never being 'popular'? Youtube is for the masses. My point is music , like art never dies. Those young masses in future generations when we, the 'aged audience', (thank-you) are gone, will be enjoying Prince's music. I am certain of that.When their ears can distinguish between hype and quality.

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The current younger generation are exposed to an overload of information and music. Everything at the touch of a button. This is not the 25 years after the Beatles age. It's the 21st millenium when you can 'have' anything. But this youthful generation too will age, mature and seek something else in time for their soul food fix. Something that is not readily available after their ears have become over saturated with what they grew up with. The youth generally 'do' more than 'think'. Youtube is easy and they don't need to think when they are bombarded by mainstream radio, they are conditioned into what they get and hear. That's something that turned me off Prince music and pop in the early nineties when I was a spring chicken in my 20's. Vieiws or no views, what matters is quality over quantity.

[Edited 3/13/16 1:38am]

"Free URself, B the best that U can B, 3rd Apartment from the Sun, nothing left to fear" Prince Rogers Nelson - Forever in my Life -
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Reply #17 posted 03/13/16 1:36am

Bohemian67

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jayspud said:

elf9933 said:

It seems like even after the UTCM and Graffiti bridge debacles or the odd Award show appearances it seems P was still in an upper echalant of stars. While he is more of a legend now than then it seems no one cares about new albums no one is discussing his tours and the stuff that is left alone in YouTube barely get any views. Is this the chickens coming home to roost because of his ill thought out war with the net or has his lack of big splashes of late finally made him a non issue.I think it's the former. His lack of net exposure has killed off a whole generation. Dumb move my man.

Right let's break this argument down.

1)" No-one cares about his new albums and no-one is discussing his tours".

http://www.rollingstone.c...w-20160122

. http://www.dailymail.co.u...-tour.html


http://www.billboard.com/...tour-video


http://fasterlouder.junkee.com/the-reviews-are-in-for-princes-breathtaking-piano-and-microphone-tour/857569

Right so clearly that isn't true of the Tour.


http://www.nme.com/reviews/prince/16361

http://www.rollingstone.c...o-20160114


http://pitchfork.com/revi...phase-two/


http://www.theguardian.co...view-album

Oh, or the album either.

Finally Youtube,

RocknRoll Hall of fame - 10,498,322 views

Purple Rain Live 9.099,968

Cream (from a VHS copy) 5,903,021

(Bearing in mind the last two aren't even official releases)

Prince has amazing control and to quote LWR001 "he gonna release whatever he wants, whenever...he tours whenever the moment hits..only a free person can release an EDM influenced record, follow up with a big band record then do a solo piano tour,,,the reviews are the best he has probably ever recieved"

^ great post thanks.

"Free URself, B the best that U can B, 3rd Apartment from the Sun, nothing left to fear" Prince Rogers Nelson - Forever in my Life -
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Reply #18 posted 03/13/16 1:45am

thedance

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ok Prince "fams".. keep lying to yourself...... lol

you seems to be "positive and denying fams".....?


But, you simply can't convince me that Prince is doing "good" (not even "ok") at this point in his career...



Talking albums (studio music), promotion, musicvideos, dvds, promissed remasters that never happended, taking videos down, attacking fan sites, etc...


Everything just "used to be" better...... neutral

Right, attack me now for being an old nostalgic Prince-fan, I agree I am "nostalgic", and old too.

Everthing was just better in the "good old days". Before Prince lost his feeling with what "we" as his fans needs.... that's too bad because he gives a shit now.... about that, about what the fans needs.. sad

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Reply #19 posted 03/13/16 1:52am

Bohemian67

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thedance said:


Everthing was just better in the "good old days". Before Prince lost his feeling with what "we" as his fans needs.... that's too bad because he gives a shit now.... about that, about what the fans needs.. sad

What is it that you "we as his fans need"? Be concrete.

"Free URself, B the best that U can B, 3rd Apartment from the Sun, nothing left to fear" Prince Rogers Nelson - Forever in my Life -
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Reply #20 posted 03/13/16 3:04am

thedance

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I need products, musicvideos, singles, extended versions, b-sides, live in concert dvd's, remasters, boxsets, vinyl re-releases, in other words just the normal stuff that the other artists (labels) are offering....

a lot of Prince's old albums are out of press, his cd releases, yeah I am old I need physical products still, with booklets with lyrics and liner notes.....

ok you can dl a song here and there via Tidal, but I am not supporting streaming sites..

why can't he make "real and full" releases, that's what is bothering me.

the conclussion is that Prince is an "invissible artist", flying under everyones "radar",


even the old hardcore-fans can't see where he is, he is complicated, not easy.


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Reply #21 posted 03/13/16 3:06am

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From Queen:


offering their full catalogue, remastered vinyls, 180 Grams Deluxe:

[Link takes up wayyyyy too much bandwidth - luv4u]

http://img.photobucket.co...qpsmeq.jpg

^ yeah I did buy this, and it's excellent... wink

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Reply #22 posted 03/13/16 3:14am

thedance

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Imagine this kind of a remastered "Sign O' The Times" Deluxe boxset: question


[img:$uid]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v67/ecnirp2004/Sign%20O%20The%20Times%20-%20Deluxe%202013_zps3wnetjma.jpg[/img:$uid]

^ that would be cool don't you think?

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Reply #23 posted 03/13/16 3:28am

lwr001

Bohemian67 said:

You guys really live in a bubble. Getting props at a bb game with an aged audience is not that impressive. 25 years after the Beatles revolution teens still went through their Beatle phase like it was a coming of age. Laughable argument my foot. You check some of these view counts on YouTube for the stuff he can't take off and it's embarrassing.Trees falling in an irrelevant forest don't make a sound. While Ps legacy may be sound his revolutionary deeds are slowly being totally forgotten by a new generation save a few diehard musicians that love him. The new generation is the generation of the Internet. Just like the 90s were the PC the 80s MTV and the Seventies TV. His obsession with monetizing every song has made him a non factor. He needs to let his YouTube flag fly free. That's my may drag as he would say.

-

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How many artists died never being 'popular'? Youtube is for the masses. My point is music , like art never dies. Those young masses in future generations when we, the 'aged audience', (thank-you) are gone, will be enjoying Prince's music. I am certain of that.When their ears can distinguish between hype and quality.

-

The current younger generation are exposed to an overload of information and music. Everything at the touch of a button. This is not the 25 years after the Beatles age. It's the 21st millenium when you can 'have' anything. But this youthful generation too will age, mature and seek something else in time for their soul food fix. Something that is not readily available after their ears have become over saturated with what they grew up with. The youth generally 'do' more than 'think'. Youtube is easy and they don't need to think when they are bombarded by mainstream radio, they are conditioned into what they get and hear. That's something that turned me off Prince music and pop in the early nineties when I was a spring chicken in my 20's. Vieiws or no views, what matters is quality over quantity.

[Edited 3/13/16 1:38am]

my daughter, who is 16 and i have no influence nor do i want infliuence over her in regards to artistic manners did two things over the last year that shows Prince's influence.. One, after the grammys ;ast year , her and some a few of her friends had as their phone screen savers, Prince's side eye gif, when he is wearing the orange outfit.. Two, she apparent;y recen;ty watched teh New Girl Eopisode with Prince,, liked it so much , she signed up fpr Tidal and her fav song at the moment is Valentina from MPLS.. So, yes, they will be enjoying hosa music, and I'll submit to you that we as adults can be very myopic in our views and not see the truth.,.My daughter and her freinds have very mature, eclectic musical taates...She was into AMy winehouse and the beattlles at age 9..Point is, that the music will survive,,,should or shouldnt he make his music more accessile; thats for him to answer,. eventually it wil get heard

[Edited 3/13/16 3:33am]

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Reply #24 posted 03/13/16 3:31am

lwr001

thedance said:

I need products, musicvideos, singles, extended versions, b-sides, live in concert dvd's, remasters, boxsets, vinyl re-releases, in other words just the normal stuff that the other artists (labels) are offering....

a lot of Prince's old albums are out of press, his cd releases, yeah I am old I need physical products still, with booklets with lyrics and liner notes.....

ok you can dl a song here and there via Tidal, but I am not supporting streaming sites..

why can't he make "real and full" releases, that's what is bothering me.

the conclussion is that Prince is an "invissible artist", flying under everyones "radar",


even the old hardcore-fans can't see where he is, he is complicated, not easy.


here is the thing,, what you need is singular and no one cares about,,,YOu are making statements of fact off of what you need,,,You will nevrer get it and therefore your opinion will never, ever have any credibilty as your basis for success is YOU having a prisintine remasterd 12 on of Erotic City or whatever other song form 80's you are looking for..

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Reply #25 posted 03/13/16 3:34am

lwr001

thedance said:

From Queen:


offering their full catalogue, remastered vinyls, 180 Grams Deluxe:

[Link takes up wayyyyy too much bandwidth - luv4u]

http://img.photobucket.co...qpsmeq.jpg

^ yeah I did buy this, and it's excellent... wink

good, there you are..go to queen .org

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Reply #26 posted 03/13/16 3:55am

lwr001

My apologies, after reading this , I get what peopel want from him now; this

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-3489697/Madonna-suffers-second-onstage-meltdown-swigs-tequila-Melbourne.html

I'll submit to you that the dichotomy of the reviews and fan reaction will show you who is actually winning..i'm sure some will point out that her tour is the highest grossing et etc etc ....this is what you want from him// the ability to buy txts for shows months in advance,, a proper tour,, not even sure what that means

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Reply #27 posted 03/13/16 4:39am

warning2all

There seems to be a failure to accept Prince is a 57 year old act.

At this point it's all about longevity.

Compare Prince to popular acts of his Era. George Michael. Culture Club. Michael Jackson. Madonna. Bruce Springsteen.

Who's the one who has kept himself the healthiest, not self-destructed is some way, still pushes themself musically and continues to produce the most?

We might not like all his moves, and can debate quality of output. Whatever. At least he isn't relegated to casino tours and only bargin-bin compilations to buy.


It's about longevity and the legacy of an expansive catalog/discography being left.
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Reply #28 posted 03/13/16 5:26am

KoolEaze

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thedance said:

Imagine this kind of a remastered "Sign O' The Times" Deluxe boxset: question


[img:$uid]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v67/ecnirp2004/Sign%20O%20The%20Times%20-%20Deluxe%202013_zps3wnetjma.jpg[/img:$uid]

^ that would be cool don't you think?

Nah, not really. The vinyl we have is already pretty good, and I don´t care about a few postcards.

A remastered CD, a nice booklet, AND some postcards plus a bonus DVD with the concert movie and some extra footage would be much nicer than just a remastered vinyl release with a few pictures.

But I guess your suggestion would sell better. Vinyl is having a huge comeback, whereas CDs are becoming historty.

I still prefer CDs though.

" I´d rather be a stank ass hoe because I´m not stupid. Oh my goodness! I got more drugs! I´m always funny dude...I´m hilarious! Are we gonna smoke?"
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Reply #29 posted 03/13/16 5:30am

RJOrion

jayspud said:



elf9933 said:


It seems like even after the UTCM and Graffiti bridge debacles or the odd Award show appearances it seems P was still in an upper echalant of stars. While he is more of a legend now than then it seems no one cares about new albums no one is discussing his tours and the stuff that is left alone in YouTube barely get any views. Is this the chickens coming home to roost because of his ill thought out war with the net or has his lack of big splashes of late finally made him a non issue.I think it's the former. His lack of net exposure has killed off a whole generation. Dumb move my man.


Right let's break this argument down.

1)" No-one cares about his new albums and no-one is discussing his tours".

http://www.rollingstone.c...w-20160122

. http://www.dailymail.co.u...-tour.html


http://www.billboard.com/...tour-video


http://fasterlouder.junkee.com/the-reviews-are-in-for-princes-breathtaking-piano-and-microphone-tour/857569



Right so clearly that isn't true of the Tour.




http://www.nme.com/reviews/prince/16361

http://www.rollingstone.c...o-20160114


http://pitchfork.com/revi...phase-two/


http://www.theguardian.co...view-album



Oh, or the album either.

Finally Youtube,



RocknRoll Hall of fame - 10,498,322 views

Purple Rain Live 9.099,968

Cream (from a VHS copy) 5,903,021

(Bearing in mind the last two aren't even official releases)

Prince has amazing control and to quote LWR001 "he gonna release whatever he wants, whenever...he tours whenever the moment hits..only a free person can release an EDM influenced record, follow up with a big band record then do a solo piano tour,,,the reviews are the best he has probably ever recieved"




Great rebuttal
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Forums > Prince: Music and More > Is this the lowest point of Princes popularity or have there been worse?