jayspud said:

laurarichardson said:

thedance said: - He is so irrelevant that he sold out a 20k arena at insane ticket prices with little advance notice. He gets rave reviews and respect every time he goes on television. He is no more irrelevant than Maddonna or Bruce Springsteen who do not sell a lot a music these days but their concerts do well and still get great press. Being able to put asses in concert seats makes you relevant.

Yes, yes and yes. Laura Richardson, you rock!

Ok: keep lying to yourselves..


I was talking about the missing (extreme low) record sales, the lack of products, like: b-sides, ext versions, outtakes, remasters, live dvd's, boxsets, re-release of vinyls and cd's (physical media), etc..

I wasn't talking about concert tickets.

Prince is "outdated" and washed up.. lets not be in denial (fams), lets be real and face the kind of sad truth...

thedance said:

jayspud said:

Yes, yes and yes. Laura Richardson, you rock!

Ok: keep lying to yourselves..


I was talking about the missing (extreme low) record sales, the lack of products, like: b-sides, ext versions, outtakes, remasters, live dvd's, boxsets, re-release of vinyls and cd's (physical media), etc..

I wasn't talking about concert tickets.

Prince is "outdated" and washed up.. lets not be in denial (fams), lets be real and face the kind of sad truth...

Firstly Prince has released over his career an enormous amount of B-Sides and ext versions, probably mor of these than some artist's release as albums tracks.

I really am not understanding why you are equating quality and success with how many products an artist releases. I am sure many acts release vast quantities of products to buy, that isn't a direct statement on their success, more a statement of how capitalistic their record companies are.

Whether or not Prince remasters any album is up to him. I have to say that whilst some may wish for it, I also undersstand that for an artist it could well be quite a uninspiring, soul-sapping thing to do , going back 30 years and reworking a project that you may well hav been happy with in the first place. Why not work on a new project that actually inspires you.

Maybe you can define "washed up". The sales are almost impossible to define recently unless you have direct access to Tidal's analytics. A loty of people simply don't buy physical products anymore. A number of people I have talked to who are slightly younger said they would never pay for music, it's just not something they would consider. (People vary, obviously).

I give up.. some of you are too much of fams (fanatics?), and you can't see what has happened to Prince career... like written in this thread's headline, it is a lowpoint,

I agree with elf, yes I can't see it any different.

thedance said:

I give up.. some of you are too much of fams (fanatics?), and you can't see what has happened to Prince career... like written in this thread's headline, it is a lowpoint,

I agree with elf, yes I can't see it any different.

Ultimately that's your opinion and you have a right to that. The problem is when we lose sight that our own opinions are subjective and not objective. There probably isn't just one clear truth. However, there is evidence that Prince's concerts are popular, there is evidence that the few Youtube videos that have slipped through the cracks are popular, there is also evidence that aside from creative freedom, respect from the industry, Prince is still a major figure.

I also think it's easy to define anyone who defends Prince as a 'fam' or a 'fanatic' just because they do not agree with you. It would never cross my mind to use the word 'hater' or 'Negative Nelly' or 'Deputy Downer' because I do respect your view and I also think you have raised an interesting topic of discussion.

I have loved the last 2 Albums (for different reasons), I would love Prince to tour in my Country and I would definitely try to go. If you had told me back in 1989 when I was 14 that Prince would still be fascinating and producing great music, I would have gladly taken that deal

jayspud said:

thedance said:

I give up.. some of you are too much of fams (fanatics?), and you can't see what has happened to Prince career... like written in this thread's headline, it is a lowpoint,

I agree with elf, yes I can't see it any different.

Ultimately that's your opinion and you have a right to that.

Prince is respected because of his '80s music, he sells concert tickets because of his '80s music...

Of course it's great that people enjoy his current music, but we can objective conclude hat it's

(farrrrrr) below the quality of most of that '80s music.

NorthC said:

^That can be said about EVERY rock star who is over 40. Why do folks continue to make a problem out of that?

It can't be said about my favorite band, New Model Army.

And McCartney has released interesting songs/albums throughout his career.

Concert-wise, of course, he has trapped himself in the nostalgia-crowd.

NorthC said:

^That can be said about EVERY rock star who is over 40. Why do folks continue to make a problem out of that?

check youtube.

bit of a silly thread...in the context of social media? when he joined twitter it was an event reported everywhere..when the 3eg hit the UK..it was social media that drove the hype & national hysteria. Dude...a seriously badly chosen topic that is factually incorrect.

Pentacle said:

NorthC said:

^That can be said about EVERY rock star who is over 40. Why do folks continue to make a problem out of that?

It can't be said about my favorite band, New Model Army.

And McCartney has released interesting songs/albums throughout his career.

Concert-wise, of course, he has trapped himself in the nostalgia-crowd.

After some years in the showbiz which artist doesn't do that?

thedance said:

jayspud said:

Pentacle said:

I'll buy his albums and go to his shows if he's about. Do i care about his popularity? No. It's not important.

I'm hoping I'll be gone and he lives to 115 so i can avoid all the bullshit after he goes. MJ and Bowie fans will understand.

[Edited 3/16/16 18:03pm]

Marrk said:

I'll buy his albums and go to his shows if he's about. Do i care about his popularity? No. It's not important.

I'm hoping I'll be gone and he lives to 115 so i can avoid all the bullshit after he goes. MJ and Bowie fans will understand.

[Edited 3/16/16 18:03pm]

What BS has Bowie gone through since his death.?

paulludvig said:

He sells concert tickets because of his performance. And he performes quite a few new songs on his current tour.

Yeah because he performs his '80s music so great.

The new songs are a welcome bone for the prince.org fans, regular people

don't come for those.

214 said:

Pentacle said:

It can't be said about my favorite band, New Model Army.

And McCartney has released interesting songs/albums throughout his career.

Concert-wise, of course, he has trapped himself in the nostalgia-crowd.

After some years in the showbiz which artist doesn't do that?

Artists like my favorite band.

Anyway, pointing at others and saying 'but they're doing it too, teacher!' does not make

a good argument.

Pentacle said:

NorthC said:

Pentacle said:

Yeah because he performs his '80s music so great.

The new songs are a welcome bone for the prince.org fans, regular people

don't come for those.

But they still come. That's what counts.

Sure, if in you're in it for the money

and don't mind that people take bathroom breaks

when you play a new song.

Pentacle said:

NorthC said:

Pentacle said: But they still come. That's what counts.

Sure, if in you're in it for the money

and don't mind that people take bathroom breaks

when you play a new song.

I never understand the consistency in this argument. On one hand people are saying Prince doesn't commerically exploit his material enough and doesn't maximise potential sales and on the other hand saying he is all about the money.

If all Prince worried about was money he could easily set up camp in Vegas for the next 5 years and charge $1000 dollars a ticket and to be fair if he did it's his absolute right to do so.People really aren't paying $400 a ticket and taking bathroom breaks when Prince plays largely condensed verions of songs. Even if they did it doesn't mean too much. At the London o2 a lot of people went to get a beer when Maceo Played. I mean, Maceo is a legend

jayspud said:

Pentacle said:

NorthC said:

Pentacle said: But they still come. That's what counts.

Sure, if in you're in it for the money

and don't mind that people take bathroom breaks

when you play a new song.

I can't believe people are still responding.

This is what it sounds like when the trolls cry

jayspud said:

Pentacle said:

Sure, if in you're in it for the money

and don't mind that people take bathroom breaks

when you play a new song.

I never understand the consistency in this argument. On one hand people are saying Prince doesn't commerically exploit his material enough and doesn't maximise potential sales and on the other hand saying he is all about the money.

Prince doesn't commercially exploit his material = he has no interest in his new material

(and neither have I, as it's crap)

Prince tours the hits yet again = he is all about the easy money.

Yes, it's hard to understand...

The last time he put some real effort into promoting and touring a new record

was with the Rainbow Children. Sure it was JW mindfuck propaganda set against

third-rate Madhouse riffs, but at least he went for it.

And sure, Maceo is a legend, but if he gets to play 10 minute solos at a Prince concert...

dodger said:

Pentacle said:

Sure, if in you're in it for the money

and don't mind that people take bathroom breaks

when you play a new song.

I can't believe people are still responding.

This is what it sounds like when the trolls cry

Help yourself to some more AOA and HitnRun.

Pentacle said:

dodger said:

I can't believe people are still responding.

This is what it sounds like when the trolls cry

Help yourself to some more AOA and HitnRun.

Thanks, I will. This Could B Us on at the moment followed by HardRockLover.

Pentacle said:

jayspud said:

I never understand the consistency in this argument. On one hand people are saying Prince doesn't commerically exploit his material enough and doesn't maximise potential sales and on the other hand saying he is all about the money.

Prince doesn't commercially exploit his material = he has no interest in his new material

(and neither have I, as it's crap)

Prince tours the hits yet again = he is all about the easy money.

Yes, it's hard to understand...

The last time he put some real effort into promoting and touring a new record

was with the Rainbow Children. Sure it was JW mindfuck propaganda set against

third-rate Madhouse riffs, but at least he went for it.

And sure, Maceo is a legend, but if he gets to play 10 minute solos at a Prince concert...

Acccording to that logic Prince didn't really rate ATWIAD as there was virtually no promotion for it.

You seem also so have skipped over Musicology which was promoted alongside a huge Multi-Million pound tour.

jayspud said:

Pentacle said:

Prince doesn't commercially exploit his material = he has no interest in his new material

(and neither have I, as it's crap)

Prince tours the hits yet again = he is all about the easy money.

Yes, it's hard to understand...

The last time he put some real effort into promoting and touring a new record

was with the Rainbow Children. Sure it was JW mindfuck propaganda set against

third-rate Madhouse riffs, but at least he went for it.

And sure, Maceo is a legend, but if he gets to play 10 minute solos at a Prince concert...

Acccording to that logic Prince didn't really rate ATWIAD as there was virtually no promotion for it.

You seem also so have skipped over Musicology which was promoted alongside a huge Multi-Million pound tour.

ATWIAD, as far as I understand it this was an ill-thought out 'PR'-idea (although it's interesting to try something like that when you're on top of the world; not, say, right now...)

Musicology Tour: you mean that greatest hits tour with the addition of Life Of The Party and Musicology? Yeah, great

Pentacle you are so bitter.

Are you an old member/engineer of Housequake?

Bohemian67 said:

Pentacle you are so bitter.

Are you an old member/engineer of Housequake?

I'm Tony M.'s mother.