elf9933 said:

Bohemian67 said:

Defiine popular. Prince doesn't need to be popular. Beethoven is long gone and not popular but I still get off on Moonlight Sonata every now and then as I'm sure others do. It's about art, not being popular.

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You need to follow Prince on twitter where his team and I presume sometimes he, posts links to independent journalists and articles which say a lot more about Prince's stance than what you read in mainstream media. e.g. this mornings breakfast in bed read.

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http://yaleherald.com/culture/kanye-beyonce-rihanna-and-the-pop-reformation/

Where is the flipping 'insert link' button here?

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Nice article though. Prince supports equality and in artists being paid, not the middle man sucking them dry. Tidal is the new deal and I'm happy with it though I can't live without youtube as well.

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Don't worry about some of the reactions. All types on here to match all of Prince's genres and some of the chirps are really quite funny and clever!

You guys really live in a bubble. Getting props at a bb game with an aged audience is not that impressive. 25 years after the Beatles revolution teens still went through their Beatle phase like it was a coming of age. Laughable argument my foot. You check some of these view counts on YouTube for the stuff he can't take off and it's embarrassing.Trees falling in an irrelevant forest don't make a sound. While Ps legacy may be sound his revolutionary deeds are slowly being totally forgotten by a new generation save a few diehard musicians that love him. The new generation is the generation of the Internet. Just like the 90s were the PC the 80s MTV and the Seventies TV. His obsession with monetizing every song has made him a non factor. He needs to let his YouTube flag fly free. That's my may drag as he would say.

I don´t think that Prince´s popularity is low because if he can still go on tour and charge casual fans high ticket prices to listen to him and his piano it goes to show you that he is still popular enough, and he gets standing ovations. Other legends had often turned into a sad joke when they reached the same age Prince is. His career is still pretty remarkable, scandal-free, drug-free, etc., and I think his latest tour concept is brilliant, yet so simple.

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But I do agree with you about the bolded parts in your post. The younger generation still loves and celebrates The Beatles, The Doors, The Clash, Sex Pistols, The Cure, heck....even old school artists like Led Zeppelin and Aerosmith are still very popular among today´s teenagers, yet Prince is barely known, and most younger folks often ask me who he is or why his videos aren´t on Youtube.

I know I wouldn´t be here on the org if it wasn´t for bootlegs and fanzines such as Uptown , or those books by Per Nielsen, or fansites.

Those, and a strong internet presence, are a good way to remind people of his music and talents. Because the days of radio and MTV are long over, and his forays into TIDAL etc. are not really making big waves among younger (or older) fans.

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The thing about skeptics like you and the sycophant fans who love everything he does is that you are both right. Things aren´t THAT BAD in Prince world, but people like you come up with some good points why and how things could be even much, much better than they are.

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Think about it....if Prince released a proper live album of this tour with some decent cover art, an interesting tracklist without unnecessary edits, and a nice DVD of some show other than what would be on the CD and maybe an anniversary, remastered Purple Rain album (and his other masterpieces from the 80s) then he´d definitely be making a lot of extra money and be all over the news.

But then again, as some fans mentioned here, he is already still popular and successful and respected despite all the ups and downs of the past two decades.

Prince will not be relevant until, ironically, he opens the Vault and starts releasing archive releases.

Prince has actually released more truly previously unreleased songs than Queen (in the Crystal Ball compilation). So not the best comparison...and that colour vinyl package is superfluous as well as being expensive. And I say this as a big Queen fan.

lwr001 said:

thedance said:

I need products, musicvideos, singles, extended versions, b-sides, live in concert dvd's, remasters, boxsets, vinyl re-releases, in other words just the normal stuff that the other artists (labels) are offering....

a lot of Prince's old albums are out of press, his cd releases, yeah I am old I need physical products still, with booklets with lyrics and liner notes.....

ok you can dl a song here and there via Tidal, but I am not supporting streaming sites..

why can't he make "real and full" releases, that's what is bothering me.

the conclussion is that Prince is an "invissible artist", flying under everyones "radar",


even the old hardcore-fans can't see where he is, he is complicated, not easy.

here is the thing,, what you need is singular and no one cares about,,,YOu are making statements of fact off of what you need,,,You will nevrer get it and therefore your opinion will never, ever have any credibilty as your basis for success is YOU having a prisintine remasterd 12 on of Erotic City or whatever other song form 80's you are looking for..

Oh shut up.. I am sick of orgers like you, pretending Prince is still doing great,

Obviously noone cares anymore to buy Prince's new music/albums.. fact..

Ok if I misunderstood your post, then sorry.

lwr001 said:

thedance said:

From Queen:


offering their full catalogue, remastered vinyls, 180 Grams Deluxe:

good, there you are..go to queen .org

I am a Prince fan, no need for me to move somewhere else.....

some of you can't see the woods because of the trees.

the Queen example was just to illustrate what Prince could do as well, IF HE WANTED he could so easily do it..

Queen? I could have chosen U2 or Pink Floyd or some other act (lots of other examples)......

Sad Prince is refusing to treat us with remasters, b-sides, bonus and extended versions anymore.

Imagine how cool a long version of Black Sweat would had been back in 2006.. but no....

thedance said:

lwr001 said:

here is the thing,, what you need is singular and no one cares about,,,YOu are making statements of fact off of what you need,,,You will nevrer get it and therefore your opinion will never, ever have any credibilty as your basis for success is YOU having a prisintine remasterd 12 on of Erotic City or whatever other song form 80's you are looking for..

Oh shut up.. I am sick of orgers like you, pretending Prince is still doing great,

Obviously noone cares anymore to buy Prince's new music/albums.. fact..

Ok if I misunderstood your post, then sorry.

but but but but people do buy his new music and or stream it.. YOu have define great....why isnt he doing great ..what do you want him to do, adele and taylor i dont undcerstand what it is you want

thedance said:

thedance said:

I need products, musicvideos, singles, extended versions, b-sides, live in concert dvd's, remasters, boxsets, vinyl re-releases, in other words just the normal stuff that the other artists (labels) are offering....

a lot of Prince's old albums are out of press, his cd releases, yeah I am old I need physical products still, with booklets with lyrics and liner notes.....

ok you can dl a song here and there via Tidal, but I am not supporting streaming sites..

why can't he make "real and full" releases, that's what is bothering me.

the conclussion is that Prince is an "invissible artist", flying under everyones "radar",


even the old hardcore-fans can't see where he is, he is complicated, not easy.

Thanks for you reply.

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I'm glad you said 'normal'. In our average understanding of the word, it is one category where Prince has never fit. If you're as old as I am, I am surprised you still want booklets with lyrics and liner notes. I can barely read that small font anymore and the net is so much easier when you can enlarge it. Why aren't Artificial Age and HitnRun cds not full releases? I love them and find them complete cd's. Nothing more needed. As you will have read, I don't like all his music but that's ok. What I like, I love.

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The positive thing about Tidal is that it is set up by Artists and not Corporates. That alone should persuade you to join! Plus it's a bible for discovering other artists and/or music. (If you're interested.)

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My conclusion after seeing your Queen product example is that you're trying to play Prince like Neo in the Matix (PS). You want him to climb the walls in focus mode, somersaulting off with (triangle, triangle, circle, square) so Neo knocks out two waves of oncoming double agents, with martial art combos before he lands on the ground.

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But Prince is not a game you can control. He's a book and it's his autobiography. Some chapters may be more exciting than others but there's a theme, there are symbols, there is purposeful characterization. It might take longer for you to experience as the story unfolds and you are not in control of the moves, but reading a book has no purpose if you want to read the last page first.

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From a totally different point of view. Gee, you gotta stop being so materialistic. Products, products, products.... there is so much more to life. Sure I'd like to see more videos of Prince and a remastered PR but more importantly, I'd like him to just be himself. So yes, I would rather be a 'fam' and accept him the way he is, than be a 'fan' and mould him into what he is not.

Bohemian67 said:

thedance said:

I need products, musicvideos, singles, extended versions, b-sides, live in concert dvd's, remasters, boxsets, vinyl re-releases, in other words just the normal stuff that the other artists (labels) are offering....

a lot of Prince's old albums are out of press, his cd releases, yeah I am old I need physical products still, with booklets with lyrics and liner notes.....

ok you can dl a song here and there via Tidal, but I am not supporting streaming sites..

why can't he make "real and full" releases, that's what is bothering me.

the conclussion is that Prince is an "invissible artist", flying under everyones "radar",


even the old hardcore-fans can't see where he is, he is complicated, not easy.

Thanks for you reply.

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I'm glad you said 'normal'. In our average understanding of the word, it is one category where Prince has never fit. If you're as old as I am, I am surprised you still want booklets with lyrics and liner notes. I can barely read that small font anymore and the net is so much easier when you can enlarge it. Why aren't Artificial Age and HitnRun cds not full releases? I love them and find them complete cd's. Nothing more needed. As you will have read, I don't like all his music but that's ok. What I like, I love.

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The positive thing about Tidal is that it is set up by Artists and not Corporates. That alone should persuade you to join! Plus it's a bible for discovering other artists and/or music. (If you're interested.)

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My conclusion after seeing your Queen product example is that you're trying to play Prince like Neo in the Matix (PS). You want him to climb the walls in focus mode, somersaulting off with (triangle, triangle, circle, square) so Neo knocks out two waves of oncoming double agents, with martial art combos before he lands on the ground.

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But Prince is not a game you can control. He's a book and it's his autobiography. Some chapters may be more exciting than others but there's a theme, there are symbols, there is purposeful characterization. It might take longer for you to experience as the story unfolds and you are not in control of the moves, but reading a book has no purpose if you want to read the last page first.

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From a totally different point of view. Gee, you gotta stop being so materialistic. Products, products, products.... there is so much more to life. Sure I'd like to see more videos of Prince and a remastered PR but more importantly, I'd like him to just be himself. So yes, I would rather be a 'fam' and accept him the way he is, than be a 'fan' and mould him into what he is not.

boom...there you have it

lwr001 said:

Bohemian67 said:

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my daughter, who is 16 and i have no influence nor do i want infliuence over her in regards to artistic manners did two things over the last year that shows Prince's influence.. One, after the grammys ;ast year , her and some a few of her friends had as their phone screen savers, Prince's side eye gif, when he is wearing the orange outfit.. Two, she apparent;y recen;ty watched teh New Girl Eopisode with Prince,, liked it so much , she signed up fpr Tidal and her fav song at the moment is Valentina from MPLS.. So, yes, they will be enjoying hosa music, and I'll submit to you that we as adults can be very myopic in our views and not see the truth.,.My daughter and her freinds have very mature, eclectic musical taates...She was into AMy winehouse and the beattlles at age 9..Point is, that the music will survive,,,should or shouldnt he make his music more accessile; thats for him to answer,. eventually it wil get heard

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You've obviously raising them well and they've probably been influenced by your music

Good to hear that young people are finding Prince. Valentina not my thing!

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But yes, music and art survives and in an over saturated market I think it's wise to be in the background and leave the stage for the youth. Doesn't mean Prince isn't being heard; there are enough people out there listening! He's a niche market, exclusive and he's had his day of being mainstream. We're just lucky he loves music as much as he does to keep on creating it.

elf9933 said:

It seems like even after the UTCM and Graffiti bridge debacles or the odd Award show appearances it seems P was still in an upper echalant of stars. While he is more of a legend now than then it seems no one cares about new albums no one is discussing his tours and the stuff that is left alone in YouTube barely get any views. Is this the chickens coming home to roost because of his ill thought out war with the net or has his lack of big splashes of late finally made him a non issue.I think it's the former. His lack of net exposure has killed off a whole generation. Dumb move my man.

Seriously??

Bohemian67 said:

lwr001 said:

my daughter, who is 16 and i have no influence nor do i want infliuence over her in regards to artistic manners did two things over the last year that shows Prince's influence.. One, after the grammys ;ast year , her and some a few of her friends had as their phone screen savers, Prince's side eye gif, when he is wearing the orange outfit.. Two, she apparent;y recen;ty watched teh New Girl Eopisode with Prince,, liked it so much , she signed up fpr Tidal and her fav song at the moment is Valentina from MPLS.. So, yes, they will be enjoying hosa music, and I'll submit to you that we as adults can be very myopic in our views and not see the truth.,.My daughter and her freinds have very mature, eclectic musical taates...She was into AMy winehouse and the beattlles at age 9..Point is, that the music will survive,,,should or shouldnt he make his music more accessile; thats for him to answer,. eventually it wil get heard

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You've obviously raising them well and they've probably been influenced by your music

Good to hear that young people are finding Prince. Valentina not my thing!

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But yes, music and art survives and in an over saturated market I think it's wise to be in the background and leave the stage for the youth. Doesn't mean Prince isn't being heard; there are enough people out there listening! He's a niche market, exclusive and he's had his day of being mainstream. We're just lucky he loves music as much as he does to keep on creating it.

Valentina at present,, could change tomorrow she also rightfully spoke about that beautiful bridgE IN Do u Lie when Lisa and Wndy lay down somw sweet harnonies over Prince's spoken word

Who cares, perhaps he is happier with a low profile. As long as he enjoy himself, it's ok to me. But we want remasters from his great 80's albums.

RJOrion said:

Prince is, on this date, more popular than any actual Princes on the planet...dead, alive or fictional...so what are we really talkin about?

This is just the latest of the endless "Prince is over" threads but he got mad when I posted a link to the sticky.

Gonna say it again....Only on a Prince fan site....

Prince hasn't been "popular" since Purple Rain.

Yes, he's had a strong folllowing ever since, but I wouldn't consider his popularity as mainstream.

He has had hits since, Kiss, Batcdance, Cream, and TMBGITW, but all were without a successful backup single.

Its only us freaks and the "hits" crowd that keep him affloat when it comes to touring, but thats about it.
And it's been like that since '85.

Mintchip said:

elf9933 said:

elf9933 said:

. I would say he had huge levels of popularity during those periods.

not really, because he never capitalizes on those moments. They remain blips.

Another much older and much more popular and respected artist is of course Paul McCartney.

Note that both Paul and Bruce are actually human beings.

LOL at this entire thread.....

Mintchip said:

what artist of prince's generation, or older, is doing better?

https://www.charliewilsonmusic.com/

RosesRred said:

Mintchip said:

what artist of prince's generation, or older, is doing better?

https://www.charliewilsonmusic.com/

charlie playing state fairs and i liek charlie

lwr001 said:

RosesRred said:

https://www.charliewilsonmusic.com/

charlie playing state fairs and i liek charlie

He's making paper...let a man be a man.

I love Uncle Charlie.

PS...click on the link, Charlie is doing more than what you are thinking

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RJOrion said:

Its strange that a good number of people comment here regularly, just to say that the person that they are commenting on, is no longer "relevant" or "popular", or has "lost it"...if its true like some say, "he hasnt been poular since Purple Rain", then why check a website devoted to him on a regular basis, 30 years later?...to troll?.. and have focus groups about a man who came, saw and conquered the music industry?...and still gets treated with the utmost reverence by his peers and competitors and fans alike?...its not adding up

I think you make a great point. It would be interesting to see the figures for Prince.Org visitors alone. Peach & Black reviewed 1000 X's & O's and that video is now at 100,000 views. It does make me wonder in 1985 (beofre I became a fan and obviously before the Internet became mainstream) what the reaction was at the time. I just imagine a lot of people saying Prince isn't as popular as last year and he has peaked etc. Prince was concerning himself with charts and sales 35 years ago, he has made all the money he will ever need, has won practially every award ever given and is free to release projects that inspire him.

murph said:

LOL at this entire thread.....

EXACTLY!! It's the most irrelevant, nonsensical and utterly moronic thread I have evr read. It's like the "Sign O The Times" masterpiece of dumb ass threads. I can't...