RJOrion said:

and still gets treated with the utmost reverence by his peers and competitors and fans alike?...its not adding up

He's treated with reverence for his '80s material and the fact that he is great on his instruments.

Some girls treat him with reverence because they want to sleep with him.

RJOrion said:

Do some people ever consider that what Prince wants and needs for himself, may not be the same as what you want him to do for you?...maybe he's already been arguably the most popular artist on Earth, and decided he doesnt want that...maybe he does want to pass on his talents and mentor random artists like Josh Welton and Darren Hart and Lianne LaHavas...and tour with a mic and a piano like Elton John or Peter Allen, till he passes on...that maybe the career path he is now on, is what makes him happy, prosperous, and also puts his own soul at ease...i dont get the disdain with which some people assess his career... [Edited 3/14/16 11:06am]

RJ, I have no problem with what you’ve proposed. However, I sincerely wish that Prince would listen to his fans more and do a better job at honoring agreements (WB, remasters, unreleased material…..) so that past promises would become reality. If the present is his lowest point, I can only imagine what his already fragile name and reputation will be worth if the old “bait and switch” routine doesn’t work in his favor businesswise. I would bet money that he won’t “gett off” as easily the second time around.

TrevorAyer said:

There is an imaginary idea that if prince were more popular / succesful that it would afford prince to put out more great music The fact is that if prince were popular enough to be considered a success by his own true standards, prince would not be chasing success like he does Parade was the first dip he never recovered from ... The slide continued until prince decided he wasn't achieving his standard of success .. So he butchered his music with cheap imitation new jack rapping .. And boom success with dnp Prince success from there on out diminished rapidly .. As rap became more sophisticated prince did not keep up and continued to tarnish his songs with amature outdated rapping .. Probably out of some sense of not being considered black enough if he discarded rapping and went back to what he is actually good at .. New wave I hope we never see the day that bob dylan or santana or sly stone hire some brainwashed dunce to put stock bass drop woosh stutters all over their usually decent music .. The fact that prince so despatately chases these trends and does so with absolutly no innovation or artistry, is plenty of evidence that even prince does not consider himself to be currently successful by his own standards

It´s a bit ironic because most rappers and fans of rap have the utmost respect for Prince just being Prince....without the unnecessary rap elements in some of his songs. Prince is best when he´s just Prince, doing his thing...playing guitar, playing piano and bass, drums and keyboards, creating beats, singing like nobody can.

Especially in the mid 80s everybody embraced Prince´s style and mystique and even today´s hardcore gangstas such as Dr.Dre wanted to be like Prince and would emulate his looks.

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But on the other hand Prince´s music has always been an amalgam of current popular music trends, and I think it´s only natural that sooner or later he would incorporate rap elements in his music, much to the dismay of longtime rap and Prince fans like me....I love both but hate the fusion .

thedance said:

Imagine this kind of a remastered "Sign O' The Times" Deluxe boxset:


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^ that would be cool don't you think?

This looks nice! But honestly,I have stopped waiting for Prince remasters.It's not gonna happen and I'm tired of waiting for 'em.

blacknote said:

laurarichardson said:

/// I don't remember any promises being made to anyone. In business sometimes things fall thought with CDs vanishing were is the market for a boxed set?

There's a wealth of information out there regarding the 2 year old agreement. A quick Google search and presto. As far as the market for box sets...........oh nevermind.

laurarichardson said:

blacknote said:

RJ, I have no problem with what you’ve proposed. However, I sincerely wish that Prince would listen to his fans more and do a better job at honoring agreements (WB, remasters, unreleased material…..) so that past promises would become reality. If the present is his lowest point, I can only imagine what his already fragile name and reputation will be worth if the old “bait and switch” routine doesn’t work in his favor businesswise. I would bet money that he won’t “gett off” as easily the second time around.

/// I don't remember any promises being made to anyone. In business sometimes things fall thought with CDs vanishing were is the market for a boxed set?

Oh stop it.There is obviously a market for box sets because they're still being created and sold.For Christmas,I got a 22-disc Isley Brothers box set,and there is also a 7-disc Bruce Springsteen box set that was released a few months ago.The reason why there are no Prince box sets and remasters is simply because HE is not cooperating.Do not put the blame on anyone else.

RJOrion said:

Do some people ever consider that what Prince wants and needs for himself, may not be the same as what you want him to do for you?...maybe he's already been arguably the most popular artist on Earth, and decided he doesnt want that...maybe he does want to pass on his talents and mentor random artists like Josh Welton and Darren Hart and Lianne LaHavas...and tour with a mic and a piano like Elton John or Peter Allen, till he passes on...that maybe the career path he is now on, is what makes him happy, prosperous, and also puts his own soul at ease...i dont get the disdain with which some people assess his career... [Edited 3/14/16 11:06am]

Really, you disagree with me?

Fine if he's happy, good for him. Just let me have the vault tracks

from when the music was good and I'll be happy as well.

RosesRred said:

lwr001 said:

charlie playing state fairs and i liek charlie

He's making paper...let a man be a man.

I love Uncle Charlie.

PS...click on the link, Charlie is doing more than what you are thinking

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dude relax,,i am playing ,,my name is charlie,last name wilson..the first song i heard when i was told my dad had died was outstanding by gap band he will forever be etched in my mind moreso than P

blacknote said:

RJOrion said:

Do some people ever consider that what Prince wants and needs for himself, may not be the same as what you want him to do for you?...maybe he's already been arguably the most popular artist on Earth, and decided he doesnt want that...maybe he does want to pass on his talents and mentor random artists like Josh Welton and Darren Hart and Lianne LaHavas...and tour with a mic and a piano like Elton John or Peter Allen, till he passes on...that maybe the career path he is now on, is what makes him happy, prosperous, and also puts his own soul at ease...i dont get the disdain with which some people assess his career... [Edited 3/14/16 11:06am]

RJ, I have no problem with what you’ve proposed. However, I sincerely wish that Prince would listen to his fans more and do a better job at honoring agreements (WB, remasters, unreleased material…..) so that past promises would become reality. If the present is his lowest point, I can only imagine what his already fragile name and reputation will be worth if the old “bait and switch” routine doesn’t work in his favor businesswise. I would bet money that he won’t “gett off” as easily the second time around.

have you seen the agreements.were you legal cousnel for him or WB,, if not, please dont comment about honoring anything as you dont know

lwr001 said:

blacknote said:

RJ, I have no problem with what you’ve proposed. However, I sincerely wish that Prince would listen to his fans more and do a better job at honoring agreements (WB, remasters, unreleased material…..) so that past promises would become reality. If the present is his lowest point, I can only imagine what his already fragile name and reputation will be worth if the old “bait and switch” routine doesn’t work in his favor businesswise. I would bet money that he won’t “gett off” as easily the second time around.

have you seen the agreements.were you legal cousnel for him or WB,, if not, please dont comment about honoring anything as you dont know

You're right, I don't know the specifics of the agreement. However, we all know of P's history and views about "contracts", which is so out of the realm of reality a martian would go "WTF?" And I will damn well comment on anything I please.

ThirdStrike said:

murph said:

LOL at this entire thread.....

EXACTLY!! It's the most irrelevant, nonsensical and utterly moronic thread I have evr read. It's like the "Sign O The Times" masterpiece of dumb ass threads. I can't...

For petes sake are you people reading my words or reading the dillusions in your head.Masterpeice of dumbass threads.Are you kidding me.The whole point of this post if you bother to try and learn how to read and if you pay attention to my final sentences from my original post is not to question popularity as a measure of the mans stature but his visibility or lack thereof on the net.Read instead of insulting which shows what a dumbass you are.His censorship is killing his exposure.Thats my entire point.Jesus and you call me moronic.Prince fans are insecure.Thats my lesson here.

I don't know about his popularity but his new released music is at its worst. just dreadful. still one the best live bands though

SanDiegoFunkDaddy said:

I just don't buy that there's anyone his age doing better. Bruce Springsteen? What was the last Bruce song anyone remember? The Rising? Madonna's in the news because of her kids. I just found out Paul McCartney's on tour in America right now. Stevie's Wonder's MIA, Bob Dylan's cool but not popular. Aretha? Gloria Estefan? Who's career should he be emulating?

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Which of my way of saying...he's fine. Let me know when all the other 57 year olds start burning up the charts.

recording wise this is the lowest point in his career.

the hitnrun albums are atrocious.

however, the piano show at the Paramonut was KILLER.

live he can still pull it off if he wants to.

I sincerely hope 3rdeye is over too.

@ ELF

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If this all about Prince being visible on the net, why didn't you provide a rebuttal on the 'Prince is misunderstood on the net' thread and debate your counter argument there? Talk about 'fueling a fire'. You know the org is inflammable. Instead you chose your own thread, using words like ' popularity and 'lowest point' using 'dumb move' to describe Prince's stance to the net. Don't expect peaceful replies when you ignite sparks by calling Prince visibility as Prince's ill thought out war.'

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'Popularity?' 'Regarded with favour, approval or affection by people in general.' Please absorb previous comments and links of evidence here, to balance your idea of him being 'invisible'. Secondly, please see Twitter for the stream of daily tweets of affection. e.g. Today ' @princefam4life Well Mr Nelson listening 2 joy in repetition on Tidal crying just like I did in Oakland ur amazing. Love Me' . One of 1000's O's & K's out there.

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Note too, the 141K followers after quitting Twitter a while ago. Only extremely good looking, powerful, intelligent politicians who work 24/7 year after year get followings like that in an instant. Only thing wrong there is that he doesn't follow anyone and it reminds me of PVV G. Wilders. He could at least, like Tweet of God, follow 1. Even if it's Justin Bieber.

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'Being discussed?' He is. In the US, EU, OZ online, in papers, by journalists, prominent figures like Van Jones, other musicians, plus by a colony of ordinary people (the purple army) stuck in their daily routines where Prince opens up an outlet/escape for them to dream, dance, cry, moan, live or love in music. (including yourself) All this notwithstanding his not being overly visible on Youtube.

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Tell me. Why is it that Universal, Warner, (can't keep up the mergers and names) fish loads of others artists too? Is it because these artists too all have 'dumb stances' towards the net?

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Pentacle said:

RJOrion said:

and still gets treated with the utmost reverence by his peers and competitors and fans alike?...its not adding up

He's treated with reverence for his '80s material and the fact that he is great on his instruments.

Some girls treat him with reverence because they want to sleep with him.

'He's treated with reverence for his '80s material and the fact that he is great on his instruments.'

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I notice that you omit the word vocal and lyric writing. I know some guys who don't like Prince because of the vocals and as a guy, I might also feel uncomfortable listening to some of the things Prince sings. However, if you can still sell out concerts and create music that people buy 30 years on from your prime, then there's no point in re-inventing the wheel. Reverence was born and it was so electric that it has turned into legend which still lives on in the minds of people today, 30 years later. With or without Youtube.

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'Some girls treat him with reverence because they want to sleep with him.'

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Uh….... 'Well Mr Nelson listening 2 joy in repetition on Tidal crying just like I did in Oakland ur amazing. Love Me' . @Princefam4life profile - A mother of three and married for 24 years. Can you imagine how many men Prince is making happy because he has got their wives all horny again? Guys got their noisy Plectrum Electrum, let the women enjoy their HitnRun Revelation.

-Furthermore, I'm afraid I have to correct you. 'Some girls' is a gross understatement. Prince is probably sleeping with 100K girls tonight (nattevingerwerk en metaphorically speaking). We are all going to share him, willingly and lovingly. And guess what Pentacle? You are not invited.

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ONE MORE THING....

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Lets not forget what happened to MJ when he came out of hiding in the ME and bent to the whims of AEG in being visible, to be discussed and put on stage like a puppet for more than he could bear.

Bohemian67 said:

ONE MORE THING....

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Lets not forget what happened to MJ when he came out of hiding in the ME and bent to the whims of AEG in being visible, to be discussed and put on stage like a puppet for more than he could bear.

I remember: we got vault tracks!

And yes, like I said: Prince is a legend for what he did 30 years ago.

I'm fine with you getting down for an orgy with old Prince of course! As you are from Holland,

like me, you might want to ask him if he still has that Dutch mill he bought many years ago.

That would be a great place for an orgy...

thanks to elf, he is great, for making this thread

don't shoot the messenger, the question asked in the headline is relevant.

it is allowed here to be a critical Princefan right? - or is it..?

@PENTACLE - you idea of logistics is interesting to say the least.

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@THEDANCE - 'I don't want to give you my love'....

blacknote said:

thedance said:

laurarichardson said:

thedance said:

thanks to elf, he is great, for making this thread

don't shoot the messenger, the question asked in the headline is relevant.

it is allowed here to be a critical Princefan right? - or is it..?

- He is so irrelevant that he sold out a 20k arena at insane ticket prices with little advance notice. He gets rave reviews and respect every time he goes on television. He is no more irrelevant than Maddonna or Bruce Springsteen who do not sell a lot a music these days but their concerts do well and still get great press. Being able to put asses in concert seats makes you relevant.

Yes, yes and yes. Laura Richardson, you rock!

laurarichardson said:

blacknote said:

There's a wealth of information out there regarding the 2 year old agreement. A quick Google search and presto. As far as the market for box sets...........oh nevermind.

- An agreement between Prince and WB not an agreement with the fans 😳. Agreements fall apart all the time it is not strange are unusual. As far CDs are concerns the declining sales of CDs are all the proof I need. Go to any retail store a see the small amount of CDs in the store. Computers are being made with no disc drive and I donor see a lot of CD players in the stores. Streaming and downloading are here to stay get your head out of the sand.

Apparently the meds you're not taking has rendered you incapable of thinking logically. WB made an agreement with P, launched a press release, released two of his albums, and lastly, handed over ownership of an entire music catalog worth millions only to get nothing back in return?

WAKE UP!!!!! IT AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN!!!!!

Again, I don't know the specifics of the agreement or it's current status. However, there's no way that WB is going to accept relinquishing an entire music catalog for free. If nothing becomes of this deal, you can bet that there will be legal and financial reprecussions. We will all find out soon enough. Fini.

He can show up everywhere in the world, on short notice, with just a piano and a microphone and sell out large venues in just seconds, he gets rave reviews and a lot of press.

I think he's doing just fine.

RJOrion said:

Do some people ever consider that what Prince wants and needs for himself, may not be the same as what you want him to do for you?...maybe he's already been arguably the most popular artist on Earth, and decided he doesnt want that...maybe he does want to pass on his talents and mentor random artists like Josh Welton and Darren Hart and Lianne LaHavas...and tour with a mic and a piano like Elton John or Peter Allen, till he passes on...that maybe the career path he is now on, is what makes him happy, prosperous, and also puts his own soul at ease...i dont get the disdain with which some people assess his career... [Edited 3/14/16 11:06am]

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