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I'm well aware Prince is the hold up. It's been 3 months I'm saying that Prince screwed up WB with this contract. Of course WB doesn't care of these albums, that's why I was criticizing the reasonment of those who says it's a good marketing move to create a hype with AOA/PE to sell the PR deluxe better. Fucking nonsense. WB should have said : "ok we are releasing everry shits you want, but first we release PR this summer, and thin december your two new albums". Some says "The PR anniversary goes to june 2015". But why not having it released on june 2014 ? It's nothing about packaging or content issues. PR deluxe could have been the comeback of the year, with a tour and promoting events. Each time Prince played the game of the promotion in his carreer, he was a huge seller. | |
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With Prince you never get what you expect... I think the new WB deal works quite well... We got two new albums, one of it is a fantastic work: AOA He got many good press reviews and what is more important many many fans like the new album a lot. WB and Prince make quite a lot of money together cause P`s back catalogue sells well and the new albums sold some copies, too AOA and PE were in the Top 10 in many countries...sales are right now at about 300 000-400 000 together worldwide... I am sure the PR anniversary will come out, but really, i don`t care whether it is this year or the next years... As long as i get another album like AOA i am happy... [Edited 11/18/14 3:17am] | |
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I've been keeping track of the AOA and PE sales since the beginning from Billboard, Hits Daily Double and the World Wide Album Chart.
AOA total sales so far are just under 200,000 worldwide.
PE total sales haven't even surpassed 80,000 yet. | |
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200 000 worldwide for AOA!
But as you have noticed sales are quite down except for the biggest stars like taylor... I mean pharell only sold 560 000 albums in the US despite having a monster hit with happy...
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No, FROZEN sold 335.000 ex in 2013, and more than 3 millions in 2014. Taylor Swift sold 1.3 millions copies in one week in the US too, and that doesn't even count the copies sold at a lower price with a microsoft deal. Moreover, singles are the big deal now, one single can easily sell one million downloads without being the top ten. And I'm sorry, but catalog's prince sales are very weak. Even PR and TVBO are not selling that much anymore. Prince sold 100.000 tickets this year in Uk and he can't even sell 10.000 copies of PLECTRUM ELECTRUM. Some says that AOA gets good reviews from the fan...So why are the fans not even buying it? | |
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You said it all. Pharell had huge hits that sell millions and millions worldwide. Prince doesn't sell millions of singles worldwide. That's the difference. And like I said in the DIAMONDS AND PEARLS topic, the first single (HAPPY/ GETT OFF) was released way too early before the actual release of the album. The better instance is TMBGITW, which was a huge hit, besides THE GOLD ALBUM released one year later flops terribly. | |
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Yes, but pharell albums don`t sell so much...which is interesting... Look at other artists..what about chris brown (US 260 000 sales)....has a lot of singles on the charts, but doesn`t sell that much albums... Or look at the sales of Lenny Kravitz new album strut ( USA sales 30 000 !!! )...he played the game: singles, videos, promotion appearances and so on, even iTunes festival live gig, big tour.....But his sales are not better that Prince`s... in the US even worse... Prince could do a bit better with a real promoted single, video..that`s true... But as you can see he does not really care and to have worldwide two top ten albums, even for one week, is not that bad...
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GIRL doesn't sell that much, because he hadn't had a top 40 since HAPPY...that was released 4 months before the album. And GIRL sold a lot in vinyl, so the 600.000 mark is reached. Same with Chris Brown as I explained, he released his singles one year before the album. He may have several hits, meanwhile consumers can't buy the album. STRUT sold better than AOA and PE united worldwide lol. Rock doesn't sell anymore. Pink Floyd's last album sold 139,351 copies in the UK the fisrt week. We are far from AOA and PE united. | |
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you seem to have explanations for everything... Look, for me it is more important to get new music from Prince and that he can still sell records and play wherever he wants...in any TV show, in any country... But still...with a few exceptions older artists don`t sell that much as some newcomer or the hottest artists of the day... Not that i would love to have him another big hit, he seems not to listen to our advise or he just doesn`t care ... He already sold 100 million plus records, so maybe he probably knows what he is doing now
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If sales and figures doesn't interest you that much, why bother talking about it ? Sales are interesting, at least because it will determine the future of the reeditions. And it's for sure WB doesn't want to release them anymore, because they know the ROI won't be there, because Prince wouldn't want to be involved. They maybe thought for one second he has changed... If WB wanted to release the reeditions, they would have done it by now. Everbody already forgot about AOA and PE. | |
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I care about sales and i find charts interesting... That is why i said the new albums were in the top ten worldwide... In my opinion,there is no rush in releasing the reissues... Purple Rain sells every week about 1500-2300 copies in the US alone..that means more than 100 000 copies per year... For Prince as an artist and maybe we should be happy about it, is it more important to get his new music to his fans than to release old stuff, most of it what we already have... But still, of course we want his classic albums in better sound and with new songs from that era... I just don`t make sense to release it too close after the new ones...
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I almost think they have ruined it themselves pushing to make everything digital, its quite sad. | |
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Fact:Chart News @chartnews on Twitter: Worldwide sales: @LennyKravitz, Strut 208,000 total as of Nov.1 So no, lenny's strut sold just as much as Prince's AOA | |
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Can u find the total for AOA? It should be around the 200,000 mark as well. | |
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Which has nothing to do with Warner Bros, but was at Prince's insistence. WB wants to be able to make as much money off of this disc as they can before the masters go back to Prince, so they cut a deal to allow him to release two albums on the same day. No way, no day they would have done that if Prince hadn't insisted for this deal. Prince, most likely, insisted on these two being released BEFORE PR.
WB definitely wants to give the albums time to sell. They frequently try to get artists to take a couple of years in-between records, which was one of Prince's big complaints back in the day. They like to milk these things for all they're worth, and releasing a classic album up against the two discs they just spent all that money to distribute wouldn't be anything they'd ever do. As for the reaction of "casual" people, that really isn't a factor here. With the right kind of promotion, total crap will sell. Just look at the entire career of Nikki Minaj.
As for the booklet, that is becoming commonplace in the digital age. Since so few buy physical copies of music, record companies are going to more and more bare-bones packaging for standard releases.
They can't shoot a video if Prince isn't on board for it. Remember, Prince has to actually participate in the promotion of the album. He did SNL, but that's about it.
WB may already have the packaging ready, but it still has to be approved by Prince. They had to run by packaging and track listings by him, even after he was no longer on the label, because of his previous contracts with them. You also assume that the bonus material has been cleared by Prince, and that it will include the things you list. Prince may be working on cleaning up outtakes, live recordings, etc that WB doesn't have access to, so you can't assume this was ready to go months ago. It may actually be months before the whole project is finalized and delivered to production plants.
Again, you really don't understand the inner workings of corporations like WB at all. It may take a few days to design, but it has to go through MANY approvals from the design stage, up through various managers, before landing at Prince's feet for a final "yay" or "nay". If Prince (or any other manager along the way) vetoes the artwork, then it goes back to square one. This actually happens FAR more than most realize. After that, it goes to manufacturing plants, while the marketing team starts putting together their plan to advertise and promote the new set.
At the end of the day, WB is sitting on this until all the AOA/PE promotion is completely done. It may seem like this is already the case to you, but it was only two weeks ago Prince played SNL. As far as the label is concerned, they won't consider promotion ended for at least six months. They are hoping they will pick up in sales as post-Thanksiving shopping heats up. CD's are often bought as "Stocking Stuffers", and so there will be a hope these will get picked up by shoppers on the fly. [Edited 11/18/14 12:07pm] Do not hurry yourself in your spirit to become offended, for the taking of offense is what rests in the bosom of the stupid ones. (Ecclesiastes 7:9) | |
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JediMaster said: I seriously doubt that WB ever intended to release it this year, and probably hoped to arouse interest in Prince again with these so-called "comeback" albums. Releasing it next year makes a lot of sense, as it give the other two albums a little time to sell, and get Prince in the public eye again with his appearances to promote these albums.
There is no way WB would have deliberately competed against themselves by releasing the sure-to-sell PR remaster up against new albums that only die-hards would care about. They don't care if it's 1984 or 1985 that is the "Anniversary", since PR's popularity was at its zenith in 85. The general public isn't going to even know or care. "Hmmm, 30 years? I guess that's about right", will be the average joe's reaction. I doubt this will be shelved, as I believe this was the main reason WB went for this deal to begin with. HOPEFULLY, this just means WB is actually taking their time to put together a nice package that we'll all enjoy. This is just your guess or do u have some indeed info from inside source? | |
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on a related note...
isn't there a book about the Purple Rain movie coming out soon? a behind-the-scenes look at the film,written by an associate? I was hoping that the book and the remastered set would be released just in time for Christmas. | |
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. "Happy" was released as a single from the Despicable Me 2 soundtrack in Summer 2013, didn't do anything and then got picked up a couple of months later by Dutch DJs some time later and suddenly became a hit. http://en.wikipedia.org/w...erformance . Gett Off also wasn't intended as the lead single, was justa one-off single, and then got put on D&P as a replacement for "Horny Pony". . TMBGITW: ditto. Was a one-off, inclusion on TGE came much later. © Bart Van Hemelen
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. This seems very well possible. It also shows a complete and utter lack of care towards has fans, but I suspect this is about as good as it's gonna get. And no, that's not WBR's fault. © Bart Van Hemelen
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At the end of the day, the only reason Prince resigned with WB was to get his masters back. There is no other reason whatsoever for him to eat humble pie like that. | |
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A little of both. I no longer am in contact with most of the sources I once had, but I know from what I've heard in the past how much of this goes down. I'm also largely basing my speculation on my own experiences in working within a large corporation. Do not hurry yourself in your spirit to become offended, for the taking of offense is what rests in the bosom of the stupid ones. (Ecclesiastes 7:9) | |
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I've thought about it a lot and I think we can consider that if, by December 31st at noon there is no announcement, the remaster wont be released... in 2014! A COMPREHENSIVE PRINCE DISCOGRAPHY (work in progress ^^): https://sites.google.com/...scography/ | |
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News i heard 2day from some1 who works for pressmedia in charge of PR Deluxe project, this person is in contact with some1 who works for WB......the project has been pushed back to somewhere around Early of next year ....the reissue of PR envisaged would be a simple box without extra unreleased tracks....but nothing is graved on the stone .... this person said too that everything about this project is not on the good way!
Take this as u want.....i don't know what to think about ???? [Edited 11/19/14 10:30am] | |
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If they're not gonna make it special and add bonus material,why even bother? | |
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