EddieC said:

filthyrichyuppie said:

That went straight past my bat, sorry.

On the other thread where Militant was suggesting two releases with Epic doing the Prince album and Kobalt handling 3rdEyeGirl (leading to some discussion about guesses and logic), you had asked "So,...is this still "the current logical assumption based upon the hard recent evidence that we have".

I assume you asked because of the Warner announcement. Based on what's happened today, Militant's theory seems to have been at the very least partially incorrect. (Plectrumelectrum might still be coming some other way, but Prince seems to be working with Warner and not Epic).

Christ...you're referring to another thread here? Smart. My argument is simple: ya'll guessing. Why is this such a hard concept for you? It makes me worry. AND you're still guessing (unless, of course, you have the PRain Deluxe edition in your hands, do you)? Anyway, you undermine your own argument with the phrase "Militant's theory seems to have been at the very least partially incorrect". Not exactly a ringing endorsement is it?

I hope we can get some music videos as well =D

filthyrichyuppie said:

EddieC said:

On the other thread where Militant was suggesting two releases with Epic doing the Prince album and Kobalt handling 3rdEyeGirl (leading to some discussion about guesses and logic), you had asked "So,...is this still "the current logical assumption based upon the hard recent evidence that we have".

I assume you asked because of the Warner announcement. Based on what's happened today, Militant's theory seems to have been at the very least partially incorrect. (Plectrumelectrum might still be coming some other way, but Prince seems to be working with Warner and not Epic).

Christ...you're referring to another thread here? Smart. My argument is simple: ya'll guessing. Why is this such a hard concept for you? It makes me worry. AND you're still guessing (unless, of course, you have the PRain Deluxe edition in your hands, do you)? Anyway, you undermine your own argument with the phrase "Militant's theory seems to have been at the very least partially incorrect". Not exactly a ringing endorsement is it?

Okay, fine. My point was that Militant's guess no longer is supported by the evidence. Militant was wrong about Epic, nothing's definite about Kobalt, and Warners IS releasing NEW Prince material, right now! iTunes currently has the Breakdown available, and Warners licensed it (not Epic). You can drop the qualifications from my comment. I wasn't saying anything about the Purple Rain Deluxe Edition, but about a new Prince studio album--which Prince's statement from today suggested might be coming from Warners, an idea strongly supported by the fact that there's a new track out RIGHT NOW with the Warner name on it. No, it's not in my hands, but there is a new single on many people's hard drives, and Warners is who he went with. That doesn't negate the idea the 3rdEyeGirl might have something still to come on Kobalt (the part that might still be right about Militant's scenario). But the Epic part turned out to be wrong.

As to referring to the other thread--I'd just gotten done reading your comment on the other thread, so to me it was as if you'd just said it. Sorry if my dropping a comment in here about it threw you.

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EddieC said:

filthyrichyuppie said:

Christ...you're referring to another thread here? Smart. My argument is simple: ya'll guessing. Why is this such a hard concept for you? It makes me worry. AND you're still guessing (unless, of course, you have the PRain Deluxe edition in your hands, do you)? Anyway, you undermine your own argument with the phrase "Militant's theory seems to have been at the very least partially incorrect". Not exactly a ringing endorsement is it?

Okay, fine. My point was that Militant's guess no longer is supported by the evidence. Militant was wrong about Epic, nothing's definite about Kobalt, and Warners IS releasing NEW Prince material, right now! iTunes currently has the Breakdown available, and Warners licensed it (not Epic). You can drop the qualifications from my comment. I wasn't saying anything about the Purple Rain Deluxe Edition, but about a new Prince studio album--which Prince's statement from today suggested might be coming from Warners, an idea strongly supported by the fact that there's a new track out RIGHT NOW with the Warner name on it. No, it's not in my hands, but there is a new single on many people's hard drives, and Warners is who he went with. That doesn't negate the idea the 3rdEyeGirl might have something still to come on Kobalt (the part that might still be right about Militant's scenario). But the Epic part turned out to be wrong.

As to referring to the other thread--I'd just gotten done reading your comment on the other thread, so to me it was as if you'd just said it. Sorry if my dropping a comment in here about it threw you.

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Fair enough. Let me just make one point. Predicting Prince's next move is an absolute waste of time. Prince doesn't even know. Fans can guess...and dress it up as a logical assumption all that want, but they still don't have a clue. Even with this latest news, I guarantee you there will be many more twists and turns. I've followed Prince for many years. Believe me, I know.

filthyrichyuppie said:

EddieC said:

Okay, fine. My point was that Militant's guess no longer is supported by the evidence. Militant was wrong about Epic, nothing's definite about Kobalt, and Warners IS releasing NEW Prince material, right now! iTunes currently has the Breakdown available, and Warners licensed it (not Epic). You can drop the qualifications from my comment. I wasn't saying anything about the Purple Rain Deluxe Edition, but about a new Prince studio album--which Prince's statement from today suggested might be coming from Warners, an idea strongly supported by the fact that there's a new track out RIGHT NOW with the Warner name on it. No, it's not in my hands, but there is a new single on many people's hard drives, and Warners is who he went with. That doesn't negate the idea the 3rdEyeGirl might have something still to come on Kobalt (the part that might still be right about Militant's scenario). But the Epic part turned out to be wrong.

As to referring to the other thread--I'd just gotten done reading your comment on the other thread, so to me it was as if you'd just said it. Sorry if my dropping a comment in here about it threw you.

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Fair enough. Let me just make one point. Predicting Prince's next move is an absolute waste of time. Prince doesn't even know. Fans can guess...and dress it up as a logical assumption all that want, but they still don't have a clue. Even with this latest news, I guarantee you there will be many more twists and turns. I've followed Prince for many years. Believe me, I know.

Oh, no argument there. I think some things are more likely than others, but even then, they could always change.

filthyrichyuppie said:

EddieC said:

Okay, fine. My point was that Militant's guess no longer is supported by the evidence. Militant was wrong about Epic, nothing's definite about Kobalt, and Warners IS releasing NEW Prince material, right now! iTunes currently has the Breakdown available, and Warners licensed it (not Epic). You can drop the qualifications from my comment. I wasn't saying anything about the Purple Rain Deluxe Edition, but about a new Prince studio album--which Prince's statement from today suggested might be coming from Warners, an idea strongly supported by the fact that there's a new track out RIGHT NOW with the Warner name on it. No, it's not in my hands, but there is a new single on many people's hard drives, and Warners is who he went with. That doesn't negate the idea the 3rdEyeGirl might have something still to come on Kobalt (the part that might still be right about Militant's scenario). But the Epic part turned out to be wrong.

As to referring to the other thread--I'd just gotten done reading your comment on the other thread, so to me it was as if you'd just said it. Sorry if my dropping a comment in here about it threw you.

[Edited 4/18/14 21:52pm]

Fair enough. Let me just make one point. Predicting Prince's next move is an absolute waste of time. Prince doesn't even know. Fans can guess...and dress it up as a logical assumption all that want, but they still don't have a clue. Even with this latest news, I guarantee you there will be many more twists and turns. I've followed Prince for many years. Believe me, I know.

^ That's a fair point. Prince has been known to abruptly cancel a project in a moment's notice. That's just the way he is. lol, hopefully being back with Warner Bros, will set the tone of things being more structured and organized. We'll see.

Good to hear on my birthday! I just hope Sign O the Times could be remastered properly (no loudness war, not brickwalled) as most pre-1993 albums sounds good enough.

Is Sign O the Times part of the project? I mean if Warner is legiblble for Paisley Park's albums?

I'm really pleased that we are going to get some unheard stuff, I couldn't care less about the remasters, my Purple Rain Vinyl sounds great as it is.

Tokyo said:

Like everyone on this thread, I was of course initially excited about the news, who wouldn't be...and I've read all of the comments here. What I would say is that being balanced about this, history suggests that whatever a fan's personal hopes and expectations are I.e. Extremely high, and based on an extensive knowledge of material that even the artist no longer carries round in their head, disappointment may lie around the corner. During the mid 90s Prince broke free and released approximately 7-8 CDs in a relatively short period of time, Crystal Ball and Emancipation. These were patchy at best, but with flashes of genius and one or two surprises. Also whether you're talking about lyrics or the mix of the tracks themselves, Prince has always edited and reworked material. Purple Rain the studio track is an overdubbed live recording, It's Gonna Be A Beautiful Night also. In addition tracks like We Can Funk were re-done but not improved. The demo-ish version of the latter song which has a beautiful solo by Miko Weaver is excellent, but will I hear that in studio quality? it's unlikely. We have such an extensive knowledge of this stuff because we are collectors of it. This is a worldwide press release, and it is targeting sales of a purple rain reissue. Most music fans know the key prince tracks but a lot of casual fans buy deluxe repackaged albums, I know I do! In my head I know all of the things I want from this "announcement"...but as someone once said "you can't always get what you want, but if you try sometimes, you just might find, you get what you need." I hope for all of you here, it's a good package and not too much of a shortfall when it arrives. Final thought is that this is a project, and the interest in it will die down eventually, I just hope the artist can somehow view it as a long term project now. T [Edited 4/18/14 16:00pm]

A sober realisitc analysis.

I remarked earleir in this thread, that this deal took at leas 18mths to put together - Prince can sell!

Ultimately though, he is a commercila spent force and has to "cash in". For the hardcore fans, I am sceptical that anything new will be provided.

The best release in recent times for me, has been "Sounboard Birthday - 1984" - Mind blowing...and I doubt that it will be surpassed for fans on this board with any new annivesary remaster....

What is the improvement? - for me Prince's genius was making analogue songs in his bedroom that blew the world apart -

Please educate me on this remaster tip, I just don't get it.

But, I also tawded in my smart phone 'cos I like my old '95 nokia button - Luddite!

I get raw (big daddy kane).

Scarfo said:

filthyrichyuppie said:

Fair enough. Let me just make one point. Predicting Prince's next move is an absolute waste of time. Prince doesn't even know. Fans can guess...and dress it up as a logical assumption all that want, but they still don't have a clue. Even with this latest news, I guarantee you there will be many more twists and turns. I've followed Prince for many years. Believe me, I know.

^ That's a fair point. Prince has been known to abruptly cancel a project in a moment's notice. That's just the way he is. lol, hopefully being back with Warner Bros, will set the tone of things being more structured and organized. We'll see.

Fingers crossed for this. Proper management (of his own career or anyone else's) was never among his greatest qualities..

While a remastered Purple Rain naturally is amazing news (hopefully Parade & SOTT will follow), to me this whole Warner reunion feels weird. It's as if he's given up being unique in terms of his place in the music industry and just retreads to a tried and true formula. I felt the same thing after Madonna left Warner, her 360-degree Live Nation contract was hyped up, she talked about reinventing the wheel in regards to releasing music and then she simply signed a 3CD deal with Interscope. I hope I'll end up wrong and we'll get some cool stuff from Prince instead of the umpteenth compilation of the 1979-1993 years (Ultimate is possibly the worst greatest hits album of a 1980s superstar).

While I love the suggested triple I very much doubt there will be any tracks not written by Prince... so Modernaire by Dez will definitely not be on there.

Apollonia 6 and The Time *could* be on there as Prince wrote them BUT he would likely need to pay them performance royalties so again not sure they will be.

I would think it more likely we get 2 discs, first Purple Rain (original 9 track album remastered) and disk 2 with b sides and (hopefully) original/long versions such as Computer Blue.

WB release is not for the fans on this board (unless you have museums).

Prince has teased and calculated this release - it is not a coincidence...just business.

Anything released - you WILL have and in good enough standard to have the ravenous desire sated.

There is sooo much of "Nikki on the Stairs" over the same material....

WB & Prince are for (as stated by an earlier poster) marketing for a wider audience...not us...

Throw on Sounboard Birthday 84......best it's ever gonna get...official or not!!!

It's about content ---- not packaging. Anyting else is disappointing

I urge all not to encourage this...remember Clive Davis.

H.

LiveToTell86 said:

While a remastered Purple Rain naturally is amazing news (hopefully Parade & SOTT will follow), to me this whole Warner reunion feels weird. It's as if he's given up being unique in terms of his place in the music industry and just retreads to a tried and true formula. I felt the same thing after Madonna left Warner, her 360-degree Live Nation contract was hyped up, she talked about reinventing the wheel in regards to releasing music and then she simply signed a 3CD deal with Interscope. I hope I'll end up wrong and we'll get some cool stuff from Prince instead of the umpteenth compilation of the 1979-1993 years (Ultimate is possibly the worst greatest hits album of a 1980s superstar).

LiveToTell86

I am not for emoiticon?

What you have written, echoes my earlier post. I urge you to seek?

Great minds pet!

Hx

By the way, this is Reddit's response to this news:

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EddieC said:

That doesn't negate the idea the 3rdEyeGirl might have something still to come on Kobalt (the part that might still be right about Militant's scenario).

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Kobalt would be nuts to attempt to release something at the same time of a PR Deluxe edition. Their release would just be ignored mostly, and even worse: just imagine the reviews of the two being compared.

LiveToTell86 said:

It's as if he's given up being unique in terms of his place in the music industry

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He never was.

Romeoblu said:

I'm really pleased that we are going to get some unheard stuff, I couldn't care less about the remasters, my Purple Rain Vinyl sounds great as it is.

Totally agree!

luv4u said:

Bluu said:

naffi, I think you're about the only person in this entire thread (up to the time of posting this reply) who congratulated Prince on regaining ownership of his masters. Surprised so few fans here mentioned this. If I'm reading the release and articles correctly, this news marks the end of a long, hard-won battle for a cause that has meant so very much to him

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Pur-lease. P did ZILCH. He could have easily negociated that back in the early 1990s, but then he was too obsessed with the $100 million they waved in front of him. How about you look up what Metallica did: they actually SUED their record company, THAT is fighting. P behaved like a spoiled toddler and it took him 15+ years to finally grow up. "Hard-won"? Yeah, what a victory, Warners gets to release remastered and deluxe editions, probably including outtakes and bonus material -- what a victory for Prince!

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and was a source of deep dissatisfaction and contention for him (completely understandable considering the critical role ownership plays in an artist's long-term financial security).

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Didn't seem to bother him when he signed the $100 million contract, until he realised that much of that contract involved him actually working his ass off (i.e. promoting albums like he did with D&P). Only then he realised his back catalogue was where the real money was. So what did he do then? Oh yeah, stomp his little feet and yell "it ain't fair!" while babbling about how contracts could be renegociated (which he never did).

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It took him nearly twenty years to grow up, twenty years in which that back catalogue has vastly diminished in value. Twenty years in which we should have had at least two rounds of remasters and deluxe editions. Twenty years in which we could have gotten a service that provided fans with numerous soundboard live recordings from all over his career.

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After the WB releases, nobody's gonna give a fuck about P getting his masters. Because unless he comes up with some spectacular ideas, those things will be worthless since everybody will already own the WB remasters and be perfectly happy with them -- unless they are screwed up by bad mastering and worthless extras, but then the blame for that will also fall on P, and nobody will give a fuck when he comes out with his remasters (which will undoubtedly be blocked for years by contractual obligations).

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First time I've logged on in a long time. Fantastic news (about the remastered albums and me logging in).

I'm surprised that no-one else has typed this, so let me be the first (and hopefully last):

These albums will be a

(apologies)

This is the story we all have been waiting for...



Yesterday's news story about "PR re-mastered with bonus tracks"...

THIS just brings a big smile on my face, and warmth to my heart...... I'm alive to witness this... I am in heaven, so happy.....

EddieC said:

filthyrichyuppie said:

That went straight past my bat, sorry.

On the other thread where Militant was suggesting two releases with Epic doing the Prince album and Kobalt handling 3rdEyeGirl (leading to some discussion about guesses and logic), you had asked "So,...is this still "the current logical assumption based upon the hard recent evidence that we have".

I assume you asked because of the Warner announcement. Based on what's happened today, Militant's theory seems to have been at the very least partially incorrect. (Plectrumelectrum might still be coming some other way, but Prince seems to be working with Warner and not Epic).

Indeed. I wrote what I wrote based upon the evidence we had at that time ; now it seems that the Epic deal was truly a one-off, as confirmed by Dr. Funkenberry.

This new Warners deal makes a lot more sense to me! I'm very pleased about the news.

It is potentially good news but I can't seem to start jumping with joy just yet. I have this nagging feeling he will want to re-record a ton of lyrics in order to get rid of the cursing and suit his current beliefs.

SOTT deluxe edition including the classic "The Christ"...

"I met her in a hotel lobby browsing through a magazine"...

Dirty Mind deluxe including the classic instrumental "Head"...

Wait and see... and hope not.

hyperpessimist said:

It is potentially good news but I can't seem to start jumping with joy just yet. I have this nagging feeling he will want to re-record a ton of lyrics in order to get rid of the cursing and suit his current beliefs.

SOTT deluxe edition including the classic "The Christ"...

"I met her in a hotel lobby browsing through a magazine"...

Dirty Mind deluxe including the classic instrumental "Head"...

Wait and see... and hope not.

As other people have stated: Warner would never agree to that. So I'm not worried in the least.

Pentacle said:

hyperpessimist said:

It is potentially good news but I can't seem to start jumping with joy just yet. I have this nagging feeling he will want to re-record a ton of lyrics in order to get rid of the cursing and suit his current beliefs.

SOTT deluxe edition including the classic "The Christ"...

"I met her in a hotel lobby browsing through a magazine"...

Dirty Mind deluxe including the classic instrumental "Head"...

Wait and see... and hope not.

As other people have stated: Warner would never agree to that. So I'm not worried in the least.

Yeah people have to stop being delirious. Doing that would be purposeless (the original recordings are out there anyway), generate a massive negative backlash from both music critics and fans and have a desastrous impact on sales. There is NO WAY Prince is nuts enough to do that, + WB would indeed never go along such an insanity. I don't understand why so many fans are under that absurd belief, it's silly. Anyway soon we'll be rid of this since PR will be rereleased in a few months' time.

I am glad to see people being so confident about this, and I obviously hope you're right. Just keep in mind there is a loooong string of PR and marketing disaster decisions in Prince-land in the past, that's all.