chopingard said:

It's weird because I'm not into Prince bashing and negativity but this left a bad taste in my mouth.

I think Prince is an amazing talent both live and studio, I love his current musical works and I get his struggles for artists rights... However

Calling out individual fans for their dedication and minor copyright infractions where no revenue is earned I don't understand, Especially when the only purpose of those infractions was to promote Prince's projects, It just makes no sense

It would be so easy for them to send a private message thanking him for his endevours but respectfully requesting that he let them control promotion. But calling him out on an open forum is just baffling as to what they thought they would achieve

All Serpan wanted to do was let other fans know what was going on.

Also to say "Tell him we love him and we want him 2 feel welcome" is all well and good but why don't they just send him a tweet or a private message to him explaining the situation. It's not our job as fans to explain 3rdeyegirls actions and words. All we should be here to do is enjoy some music and take responsibility for our own words not 3rdeyegirls

Prince has done this to dozens, if not hundreds of fans worldwide over the years. The only news here is in this instace he actually responded to fan backlash and retreated. My guess is he knows arrogance has cost him the loyalty of many diehard fans over the years, and he can't afford another backlash further surpressing interest in his new projects.

thedance said:

errant said:

The Prince vs. his fans saga continues. This has been going on since 1997. I think he might actually be retarded. No joke.

^ Yeah, this might be true, Prince might be retarded:

Prince's actions against the Controversy fanzine, Princefamily Newsletter, Uptown.se and of course Housequake.com...

Those actions makes NO sense to me, that's his most dedicated fanbase..

One of the MAIN reasons Prince's career has teetered so often on the edge of bankruptcy and public apathy is his mistreatment of people. Fans, musicians, record execs, promoters, whoever.

Anyone who thinks that wasn't Prince being a dick, doesn't know Prince.

He is a control freak, do you really think he would allow one of his latest finger puppets (3EG)

to talk on his behalf about copyright and his symbol?

No way. They have no say/right/voice in the Prince camp. It's 100% him.

And ignore this "prince wasn't around that night" BS. He was either typing those passive agrresive

statements himself or directly dictating what was to be said, either way, same result. They had obviously a little hit list of topics ready to hit Serpan with. They had trolled through his various pages looking for things to nitpick, to put him down.

Talk about love and humanity all you want Prince. Actions speak louder than words.

And this is out there for all to see. It's saddening to see one of your musical heroes acting like a complete prick.

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

[Snip - luv4u]

[Edited 7/28/13 10:27am]

AFine1 said:

1725topp said:

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N'all playa, if you overly emotional, delusional people can continue to rant, I can continue to point out just how overly emotional and delusional y'all are. While I have said that Prince could have handled it better, I have also said that if you do something that someone asks you not to do you can't be surprised if they react negatively. The fact that Serpan was "singled out, amongst thousands of other fans for using a symbol" doesn't make one bit of difference. If five people are speeding on a highway and the patrol officer only stops one of us, then my excuse can't be "what about the other four people?," especially if there is a sign that clearly displays the speeding limit. The only reason you or Serpan should feel humiliated is because you continued to do something Prince has consistently asked his fans not to do. Whether we think we are being "enthusiastic, friendly, dedicated, loyal fans" is, again, immaterial because Prince clearly doesn't want the help because he clearly doesn’t seem to want the same things for his career as so many people on this site think he should have and think, insanely, that it is their job to force him to have. So, I don't waste my time doing something that the dude has made clear for twenty years that he doesn't want done. Keep touching that hot ass stove, and keep getting burned, it’s your own fault.

Can you point out to me where Prince has said he does not "allow" fans to tweet what goes on in the chat room, or have a cartoon image of themselves wearing a symbol necklace that is sold at every concert and for which Prince has profited?

exactly. There is still the freedom to twitter info, for each individu. Or will Dr. Funkenberry be the next victim,...?

GoldenParachute said:

1725topp said:

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N'all playa, if you overly emotional, delusional people can continue to rant, I can continue to point out just how overly emotional and delusional y'all are. While I have said that Prince could have handled it better, I have also said that if you do something that someone asks you not to do you can't be surprised if they react negatively. The fact that Serpan was "singled out, amongst thousands of other fans for using a symbol" doesn't make one bit of difference. If five people are speeding on a highway and the patrol officer only stops one of us, then my excuse can't be "what about the other four people?," especially if there is a sign that clearly displays the speeding limit. The only reason you or Serpan should feel humiliated is because you continued to do something Prince has consistently asked his fans not to do. Whether we think we are being "enthusiastic, friendly, dedicated, loyal fans" is, again, immaterial because Prince clearly doesn't want the help because he clearly doesn’t seem to want the same things for his career as so many people on this site think he should have and think, insanely, that it is their job to force him to have. So, I don't waste my time doing something that the dude has made clear for twenty years that he doesn't want done. Keep touching that hot ass stove, and keep getting burned, it’s your own fault.

Are you daft? Youre repeating yourself as if its difficult to understand that you think this is a comparison to "touching a hot stove", after being told not to touch it yet you fail to give any example of what youre talking about. It isnt emotional, its logical. Youre argument is that fans were asked to conduct ourselves a certain way, so what the hell are you talking about? What is the crime? Stop repeating yourself because youre not answering the question. Make others understand your point without giving empty and irrelevant metaphors or sign off.

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Dude, I would think that someone claiming to be as informed and as big of a Prince fan/authority as you are claiming to be would be well aware of the fact that from the very moment that Prince fansites have been existing that Prince has attacked them for what he views as infringement on his image or anything associated with his image, which includes promotion. With that history well established, does not the communication to Sepan not state that Prince thinks that Sepan, while tweeting or whatever he was doing was using or infringing upon certain imaging? So, in that case along, based on the history between Prince and his fans, Sepan, you, me, we, us should have seen the negative reaction coming. Secondly, it is inferred in the communication that Sepan (and others, myself including since I have probably read some of the communications, except for own tweeter because I refuse to get a tweeter account) had communicated information to others in a way that Prince feels infringes on his copyrights and on the general manner in how he wants his promotion handled. Again, even if I think that Sepan was acting in good faith just to share information with other fans, which I do, Prince has clearly made it clear through his past history with fans and fansites that it would be best if all promotion of his work is left to him. Are you so daft that your witnessing of twenty years of history does not make this clear? So, my point is that if anyone knows this history and still decides to do something that may be perceived by Prince as an infringement on his imaging and promotion, then you can't be surprised by a negative reaction. So, if Prince has burned people in the past by his negative reactions to similar actions, how can anyone be surprised that someone is being burned now by this negative reaction? So, yes, keep touching that same hot ass stove, and it's your own fault that you get burned. In fact, you are a damn fool if you continue to get burned. Prince's negative reaction to Sepan is nothing new and is no different than his past reactions to other fans and fansites. Now you and the rest of the overly emotional delusionals can have a hissy fit, but it is what it is because Prince is what he is. All I can tell you is that those of us who are only worried when the next album, television appearance, or tour will occur and not worried about being a mouth piece for or some member of Prince's inner circle have never been burned or offended in this way.

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Now, let me add that the Housequake moderators did an excellent job trying to navigate and moderate the conflict, but way too many folks adopted an eff Prince attitude toward infringement on imaging and, so, here we are. So, if you have this, among other things, in your historical databank, why would you expect anything different from Prince and why would you risk it? I just enjoy the music and could care less about anything else.

BobGeorge909 said:

GoldenParachute said:

Are you daft? Youre repeating yourself as if its difficult to understand that you think this is a comparison to "touching a hot stove", after being told not to touch it yet you fail to give any example of what youre talking about. It isnt emotional, its logical. Youre argument is that fans were asked to conduct ourselves a certain way, so what the hell are you talking about? What is the crime? Stop repeating yourself because youre not answering the question. Make others understand your point without giving empty and irrelevant metaphors or sign off.

U want evidence that the sun is gonna rise tomorrow too?

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He also needs evidence that urine doesn't taste like lemonade and that summer always follows spring.

1725topp said:

SpiritOtter said:

1725topp,

I agree in almost every respect with your line of thought. So, thank you for your contribution.

I must add, though, that from a relational perspective, Prince's representative's tone, approach and level of professionalism leaves a lot to be desired. Unfortunately, regardless of whether Prince's represenative is in fact - and objectively - "right" about Prince's stance, copyright and the law, the execution of that representative's communication strategy was so poor, that it comes across as amateur. Furthermore, it comes across as condescending. Whilst these are subjective viewpoints, the reality is that the objective stance effectively loses ground and goodwill by the consequences of a subjective backlash. A professional and sensitive handling of communication and PR issues should surely be utilised, especially when one is (it would appear) trying to reach out to a community, as Prince is clearly trying to do here via this channel i.e. to build a relationship with his customer base (fans). Perhaps, there appears to be a strong response to the represenative (and, by default, Prince) because they do not understand the relational dynamic, but I actually think the issue is less about a lack of understanding and more about an inability to conduct an operation professionally. I genuinely believe these types of relationship building issues should be handled by a professional team. Yet these types of PR mistakes have been happening for over a decade. For the commonplace fan, I imagine it becomes difficult to respect the line, when the line drawn has been consistenly done without (it would appear) any genuine degree of relational sensitivity and discernable judgement. Whilst your points are effectively "correct" from almost every respect, it seems you have failed to understand the biggest point: emotion.

Of course, I could be wrong.

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[Edited 7/27/13 14:38pm]

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I don't deny that it could have been handled better by Prince or his "team," but if someone has been telling you--the fans in general and not Serpan--not to do something and you consistently do it, then how else do you expect them to react? If I touch a hot stove after I was told not to touch it and get burned, whose fault is that really? And, yes, I don't understand the "emotion" of it all when someone has made it clear what they want and don't want from their fans. After this has been made clear, it just becomes time to "move on" or find an artist that wants the same relationship with one's fans that the fan desires to have.

Sorry....But this is not one of those "Prince is not bringing it like he use to" posts...This is not the ramblings of a petty fan complaining after seeing Prince 500 times because they want to see another set-list (that's some dumb shit...lol); Nor is this yet another post about how Prince hasn't made a great album since (fill in the blank)....

This is a normal critique of how the man runs his business and treats a harmless fan....

All of this, "Just go find another artist" business when it comes to this particular fuck-up is missing the point...Not everything can be boiled down that simply...Sometimes people just want to be respected...

SpiritOtter said:

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A timely response from a professional team could read along the lines, "Dear All, As some of you may be aware, Prince is attempting to create a fan experience with the use of the Livestream service, which he is excited to share with you. Alongside using other social media outlets, we are hoping to create a sense of fun and reward for those of you wish to follow Prince's artistic journey this year. We are aware that a member of the fan community was recently approached for potentially inappropriate copyright use. Unfortunately, the manner in which this message was delivered was informal and we would like to apologise for any negative effects of this method of communication. Clearly, the issue of ownership is an important one to Prince, as he has consistently fought for his artistic rights. Please do bear with us, as we try to foster a rewarding experience for fans, whilst also ensuring that Prince's copyright remains protected. We would like to hear your views, so please do send us your opinions at info@3rdeyegirl.com."

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If only...

[Edited 7/28/13 10:38am]

1725topp said:

GoldenParachute said:

1725topp said: Are you daft? Youre repeating yourself as if its difficult to understand that you think this is a comparison to "touching a hot stove", after being told not to touch it yet you fail to give any example of what youre talking about. It isnt emotional, its logical. Youre argument is that fans were asked to conduct ourselves a certain way, so what the hell are you talking about? What is the crime? Stop repeating yourself because youre not answering the question. Make others understand your point without giving empty and irrelevant metaphors or sign off.

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Dude, I would think that someone claiming to be as informed and as big of a Prince fan/authority as you are claiming to be would be well aware of the fact that from the very moment that Prince fansites have been existing that Prince has attacked them for what he views as infringement on his image or anything associated with his image, which includes promotion. With that history well established, does not the communication to Sepan not state that Prince thinks that Sepan, while tweeting or whatever he was doing was using or infringing upon certain imaging? So, in that case along, based on the history between Prince and his fans, Sepan, you, me, we, us should have seen the negative reaction coming. Secondly, it is inferred in the communication that Sepan (and others, myself including since I have probably read some of the communications, except for own tweeter because I refuse to get a tweeter account) had communicated information to others in a way that Prince feels infringes on his copyrights and on the general manner in how he wants his promotion handled. Again, even if I think that Sepan was acting in good faith just to share information with other fans, which I do, Prince has clearly made it clear through his past history with fans and fansites that it would be best if all promotion of his work is left to him. Are you so daft that your witnessing of twenty years of history does not make this clear? So, my point is that if anyone knows this history and still decides to do something that may be perceived by Prince as an infringement on his imaging and promotion, then you can't be surprised by a negative reaction. So, if Prince has burned people in the past by his negative reactions to similar actions, how can anyone be surprised that someone is being burned now by this negative reaction? So, yes, keep touching that same hot ass stove, and it's your own fault that you get burned. In fact, you are a damn fool if you continue to get burned. Prince's negative reaction to Sepan is nothing new and is no different than his past reactions to other fans and fansites. Now you and the rest of the overly emotional delusionals can have a hissy fit, but it is what it is because Prince is what he is. All I can tell you is that those of us who are only worried when the next album, television appearance, or tour will occur and not worried about being a mouth piece for or some member of Prince's inner circle have never been burned or offended in this way.

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Now, let me add that the Housequake moderators did an excellent job trying to navigate and moderate the conflict, but way too many folks adopted an eff Prince attitude toward infringement on imaging and, so, here we are. So, if you have this, among other things, in your historical databank, why would you expect anything different from Prince and why would you risk it? I just enjoy the music and could care less about anything else.

he wasn't posting copyrighted materials...What was he risking and why should he acquiese to Prince's demands...Prince doesn't have a leg to stand on

1725topp said:

AFine1 said:

1725topp said: Can you point out to me where Prince has said he does not "allow" fans to tweet what goes on in the chat room, or have a cartoon image of themselves wearing a symbol necklace that is sold at every concert and for which Prince has profited?

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Selective or feigned nativity will get you nowhere. Over the years Prince has made it clear that he is overly--often insanely--protective of his imaging, regardless to how fans feel about it. So, Prince has made it clear that anything that the thinks may come close to infringement will be attacked. That's doesn't mean that fans can't be upset if they think Prince has crossed the line, but at this juncture in history you can't be surprised. And, for me, the best thing to do is to accept that this dude is overly protective of his imaging and promotion, not engage in any use of his imaging, and just enjoy what work from him that I enjoy.

I've been in your shoes homie....But you got to turn it down on this one....Way down....

Soulstar77A said:

1725topp said:

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Selective or feigned nativity will get you nowhere

Nativity like in Birth of Jesus Christ?

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Yes, because my misspelling doesn't diminish the overreaction or feigned surprise to Prince's reaction.

databank said:

SpiritOtter said:

1725topp,

I agree in almost every respect with your line of thought. So, thank you for your contribution.

I must add, though, that from a relational perspective, Prince's representative's tone, approach and level of professionalism leaves a lot to be desired. Unfortunately, regardless of whether Prince's represenative is in fact - and objectively - "right" about Prince's stance, copyright and the law, the execution of that representative's communication strategy was so poor, that it comes across as amateur. Furthermore, it comes across as condescending. Whilst these are subjective viewpoints, the reality is that the objective stance effectively loses ground and goodwill by the consequences of a subjective backlash. A professional and sensitive handling of communication and PR issues should surely be utilised, especially when one is (it would appear) trying to reach out to a community, as Prince is clearly trying to do here via this channel i.e. to build a relationship with his customer base (fans). Perhaps, there appears to be a strong response to the represenative (and, by default, Prince) because they do not understand the relational dynamic, but I actually think the issue is less about a lack of understanding and more about an inability to conduct an operation professionally. I genuinely believe these types of relationship building issues should be handled by a professional team. Yet these types of PR mistakes have been happening for over a decade. For the commonplace fan, I imagine it becomes difficult to respect the line, when the line drawn has been consistenly done without (it would appear) any genuine degree of relational sensitivity and discernable judgement. Whilst your points are effectively "correct" from almost every respect, it seems you have failed to understand the biggest point: emotion.

Of course, I could be wrong.

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[Edited 7/27/13 14:38pm]

There was no "representative" speaking here, it was Prince chatting in person.

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That still does not change the fact that people are being overly emotional if not delusional regarding Prince's stance, especially since this is who he has shown himself to be.

murph said:

1725topp said:

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Selective or feigned nativity will get you nowhere. Over the years Prince has made it clear that he is overly--often insanely--protective of his imaging, regardless to how fans feel about it. So, Prince has made it clear that anything that the thinks may come close to infringement will be attacked. That's doesn't mean that fans can't be upset if they think Prince has crossed the line, but at this juncture in history you can't be surprised. And, for me, the best thing to do is to accept that this dude is overly protective of his imaging and promotion, not engage in any use of his imaging, and just enjoy what work from him that I enjoy.

I've been in your shoes homie....But you got to turn it down on this one....Way down....

I agree Murph..you should do a blog article on Vibe about this topic

1725topp said:

databank said:

There was no "representative" speaking here, it was Prince chatting in person.

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That still does not change the fact that people are being overly emotional if not delusional regarding Prince's stance, especially since this is who he has shown himself to be.

What keeps going over your head is 3EG's treatment of Serpan doesn't fit nicely into Prince's playbook....

You are mixing apples with oranges....

This is some OTHER shit...lol.....Prince and his team actually came at Serpan for tweeting out the exact moment the live stream was happening...This is no different than someone tweeting out a story that was posted or an actual chat...That's how Twitter is used....

Again, I will agree with u that the level of Trollish behavior on the Org has gotten ridiculous ....But your posts regarding Serpan/3EG are missing the mark....

murph said:

1725topp said:

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That still does not change the fact that people are being overly emotional if not delusional regarding Prince's stance, especially since this is who he has shown himself to be.

What keeps going over your head is 3EG's treatment of Serpan doesn't fit nicely into Prince's playbook....

You are mixing apples with oranges....

This is some OTHER shit...lol.....Prince and his team actually came at Serpan for tweeting out the exact moment the live stream was happening...This is no different than someone tweeting out a story that was posted or an actual chat...That's how Twitter is used....

Again, I will agree with u that the level of Trollish behavior on the Org has gotten ridiculous ....But your posts regarding Serpan/3EG are missing the mark....

Exactly, Serp only did what every and I mean every news or does when it aggragates stories..

murph said:

1725topp said:

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I don't deny that it could have been handled better by Prince or his "team," but if someone has been telling you--the fans in general and not Serpan--not to do something and you consistently do it, then how else do you expect them to react? If I touch a hot stove after I was told not to touch it and get burned, whose fault is that really? And, yes, I don't understand the "emotion" of it all when someone has made it clear what they want and don't want from their fans. After this has been made clear, it just becomes time to "move on" or find an artist that wants the same relationship with one's fans that the fan desires to have.

Sorry....But this is not one of those "Prince is not bringing it like he use to" posts...This is not the ramblings of a petty fan complaining after seeing Prince 500 times because they want to see another set-list (that's some dumb shit...lol); Nor is this yet another post about how Prince hasn't made a great album since (fill in the blank)....

This is a normal critique of how the man runs his business and treats a harmless fan....

All of this, "Just go find another artist" business when it comes to this particular fuck-up is missing the point...Not everything can be boiled down that simply...Sometimes people just want to be respected...

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Yes, but the problem is that you want respect for you and yours, but you can't seem to respect Prince's wishes that he doesn't want our help to promote or “repurpose” anything. Secondly, y'all are acting like this deal with Sepan is a one-time in a vacuum thing. It seems to me, based on the chat, that Prince is viewing this as part of his ongoing issue of fans overstepping their bounds when it comes to his imaging and promotion. See, you are saying to Prince "Dude, if you want respect, you must give it to others." I'm saying to y'all that it goes both ways. That's why I keep saying that if Prince doesn't want to have the same relationship with his fans that other artists want to have with his friends, then just find somebody who wants to have the same relationship that you do. It's that simple. But, it seems, based on the chat, that Prince is viewing this as another issue in a long line of fans overstepping their bounds. So, again, if you want me to respect your position you must respect somebody else's position. Ultimately, I don't care how he runs his business. I'm not that close to him. I have been able to gain access to the art. That's enough for me.

murph said:

1725topp said:

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That still does not change the fact that people are being overly emotional if not delusional regarding Prince's stance, especially since this is who he has shown himself to be.

What keeps going over your head is 3EG's treatment of Serpan doesn't fit nicely into Prince's playbook....

You are mixing apples with oranges....

This is some OTHER shit...lol.....Prince and his team actually came at Serpan for tweeting out the exact moment the live stream was happening...This is no different than someone tweeting out a story that was posted or an actual chat...That's how Twitter is used....

Again, I will agree with u that the level of Trollish behavior on the Org has gotten ridiculous ....But your posts regarding Serpan/3EG are missing the mark....

Exactly, Serp only did what every and I mean every news or does when it aggragates stories..

...On a positive note, we might be able do bag a decent new track out of this latest f*** up. That would appear to be all that PFU achieved, looking back

1725topp said:

murph said:

Sorry....But this is not one of those "Prince is not bringing it like he use to" posts...This is not the ramblings of a petty fan complaining after seeing Prince 500 times because they want to see another set-list (that's some dumb shit...lol); Nor is this yet another post about how Prince hasn't made a great album since (fill in the blank)....

This is a normal critique of how the man runs his business and treats a harmless fan....

All of this, "Just go find another artist" business when it comes to this particular fuck-up is missing the point...Not everything can be boiled down that simply...Sometimes people just want to be respected...

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Yes, but the problem is that you want respect for you and yours, but you can't seem to respect Prince's wishes that he doesn't want our help to promote or “repurpose” anything. Secondly, y'all are acting like this deal with Sepan is a one-time in a vacuum thing. It seems to me, based on the chat, that Prince is viewing this as part of his ongoing issue of fans overstepping their bounds when it comes to his imaging and promotion. See, you are saying to Prince "Dude, if you want respect, you must give it to others." I'm saying to y'all that it goes both ways. That's why I keep saying that if Prince doesn't want to have the same relationship with his fans that other artists want to have with his friends, then just find somebody who wants to have the same relationship that you do. It's that simple. But, it seems, based on the chat, that Prince is viewing this as another issue in a long line of fans overstepping their bounds. So, again, if you want me to respect your position you must respect somebody else's position. Ultimately, I don't care how he runs his business. I'm not that close to him. I have been able to gain access to the art. That's enough for me.

What strikes me as odd the most is that Serp and Prince's band members engaged each other in various posts also members of his mgmt team "Kiran Sharma" to be exact...Very odd and strange

1725topp said:

murph said:

Sorry....But this is not one of those "Prince is not bringing it like he use to" posts...This is not the ramblings of a petty fan complaining after seeing Prince 500 times because they want to see another set-list (that's some dumb shit...lol); Nor is this yet another post about how Prince hasn't made a great album since (fill in the blank)....

This is a normal critique of how the man runs his business and treats a harmless fan....

All of this, "Just go find another artist" business when it comes to this particular fuck-up is missing the point...Not everything can be boiled down that simply...Sometimes people just want to be respected...

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Yes, but the problem is that you want respect for you and yours, but you can't seem to respect Prince's wishes that he doesn't want our help to promote or “repurpose” anything. Secondly, y'all are acting like this deal with Sepan is a one-time in a vacuum thing. It seems to me, based on the chat, that Prince is viewing this as part of his ongoing issue of fans overstepping their bounds when it comes to his imaging and promotion. See, you are saying to Prince "Dude, if you want respect, you must give it to others." I'm saying to y'all that it goes both ways. That's why I keep saying that if Prince doesn't want to have the same relationship with his fans that other artists want to have with his friends, then just find somebody who wants to have the same relationship that you do. It's that simple. But, it seems, based on the chat, that Prince is viewing this as another issue in a long line of fans overstepping their bounds. So, again, if you want me to respect your position you must respect somebody else's position. Ultimately, I don't care how he runs his business. I'm not that close to him. I have been able to gain access to the art. That's enough for me.

Goes both ways? ....Man...U got to chill with this shit...lol....Serpan is a stand-up guy...He wasn't told a lot of times to do anything....In fact, the story has been twisted around so much that some Prince fans are falling for the bait....They asked him to take down some photos from a gig, which he did....Then they asked him to not use the Prince symbol, which he quickly complied, with ho disrespect or anger....

But this^^^^has nothing to do with being bullied into not tweeting out live stream...

U see the difference?

It's not about caring how Prince runs his business or what type of drawers he wears....

It's just some Respect 101 shit....Trust me....save your above it all posts when folks on the Org truly show their STAN side by making posts about how Prince is no longer relevant (I think you are better needed in that thread....)

Time will tell

http://www.cdas.com/legal...se-update/

murph,

I am enjoying your humourous way of communicating, as well of course your sensible points, but in 1725's possible defense (not that he/she needs one), he/she is not even particularly focussing on whether the stance is right/wrong, or legally defensible or not. To my understanding (and I could be wrong), I think 1725 is suggesting that surely Serpan cannot be surprised by Prince's alleged "attack" (the hot stove analogy) based on Prince's history of abusive behaviour and furthermore, it's Serpan (and others) own faults if they remain lined up to be allegedly "attacked" by Prince because it's clear that the proverbial oven is SMOKING HOT i.e. he has a long history of using passive-aggressive bullying/abusive strategies against fans, associates, former g/f's, the list goes on and on and on. That perspective argues why put your self in the line of fire of a known tormentor. If you don't like the relationship, find a new one. Thus, 1725 at least appears to be avoiding any issue relating to morals/ethics, the law, respect and/or otherwise emotional issues. He/she is resolutely and consistently remaining focussed on strict "logic" and pragmatism. Whilst I agree that one side of a balanced approach to the overall issue is to exert left-brained logical reasoning, I do think that in this particular debate, the right-brained emotional arguments should also be given voice and heard, as there is validity to both sides. Unlike 1725, therefore, I would NOT downplay (or be somewhat condescending) towards the emotional (and irrational) viewpoints expressed here, since that "phenomological subjective experience" has just as much validity, as the logical arguments. Furthermore, when it relates to issues of potential harrassment, it is not the "intent" of the alleged perpertrator that is taken heavily into account, but rather the felt experience (illogical or not) of the supposed victim. I appreciate though that this is a contentious issue. I do believe, however, that both rational AND emotional viewpoints are equally valid in this debate.

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lwr001 said:

1725topp said:

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Yes, but the problem is that you want respect for you and yours, but you can't seem to respect Prince's wishes that he doesn't want our help to promote or “repurpose” anything. Secondly, y'all are acting like this deal with Sepan is a one-time in a vacuum thing. It seems to me, based on the chat, that Prince is viewing this as part of his ongoing issue of fans overstepping their bounds when it comes to his imaging and promotion. See, you are saying to Prince "Dude, if you want respect, you must give it to others." I'm saying to y'all that it goes both ways. That's why I keep saying that if Prince doesn't want to have the same relationship with his fans that other artists want to have with his friends, then just find somebody who wants to have the same relationship that you do. It's that simple. But, it seems, based on the chat, that Prince is viewing this as another issue in a long line of fans overstepping their bounds. So, again, if you want me to respect your position you must respect somebody else's position. Ultimately, I don't care how he runs his business. I'm not that close to him. I have been able to gain access to the art. That's enough for me.

What strikes me as odd the most is that Serp and Prince's band members engaged each other in various posts also members of his mgmt team "Kiran Sharma" to be exact...Very odd and strange

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KCOOLMUZIQ said:

lwr001 said:

What strikes me as odd the most is that Serp and Prince's band members engaged each other in various posts also members of his mgmt team "Kiran Sharma" to be exact...Very odd and strange

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is that what its really called..thanks for enlightening me..lol

lwr001 said: KCOOLMUZIQ said:

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is that what its really called..thanks for enlightening me..lol all of this nonsense is sheer stupidity....