FragileUndertow said:

Serpan-gate 2013

well, they said 2013 was gonna be a big year

Militant said:

Ultimately, Prince retains the right to control and promote his art as he sees fit. That is his prerogative.

That's all there is to it.

Disgruntled fans will try and spin it negatively as per usual. But shit, look at the thread title.

It may not seem "right", or "fair", but bear in mind - Prince has a vision, and a plan for how we wants all this to work, and how he wants the information to be disseminated. He should have the freedom to execute that plan in the manner that he sees fit.

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Amen—and the fact that he's being an ass about this should not surprise anyone, especially since Prince has made it clear that he would rather fail doing it his way rather than succeed doing it somebody else's way because for Prince it seems that doing anything anybody else's way is a failure no matter how popular it makes him or how much money it makes him. This is just who Prince is--love it or leave it.

1725topp said:

murph said:

U r making this out more to be than it is....

I don't concern myself with what some of the more nuttier element on this site does....I'm just talking about an artist who needs to have better people around him and learn how to respect a fan that was simply trying to get the word out about a live stream....All of this other stuff u r talking about is pretty much moot in this discussion....But again, it's all good...No beef here....Keep doing your thing, homie...

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It's funny that when I have an appropriate answer for everything you asked/stated now I'm making more out of it than it is. You were the one who implied or inferred that I was attacking Serpan's character by responding with "Serpan is a stand up guy." I don't know anything that I posted that would warrant that reply from you. So, I'm definitely not the person making more of this than it is. And, yes, it's all good. There is no beef. I'mma keep doing my Mississippi Thang playa. And Prince may need to learn to respect his fans, but people in general need to learn that pit bulls always bite and that hot stoves burn. Prince is an ass whose been saying for years that he doesn’t want fans help with his imaging and promotion. Maybe this will be the straw that will cause more people to just engage the music or find an artist that wants the same help or following that many on this site desire to give.

Because your answers have not been very appropriate to the actual topic at hand...U have been very respectful in your responses (kudos...for real)....But I don't think this has anything to do with pitbulls and hot stoves...Or P just being "P".....

Don't mistake folks being upset by specific dickish, bullying behavior to a fan with folks complaining that Prince plays too many covers or that he's not giving 3 hour shows every night or that he is no longer bringing it on record or that he doesn't like people bootlegging his music or any of the myriad of complaints we get around here...I think your point makes sense....If we were talking about the constant complaints we get from fans that think they are owed the world then I would understand most of your points.....But that's not what's happening here....

Whether or not Prince is an asshole is moot.....

We all, big or small, assholes or saints, rich or poor need to be told when our slip is showing....

This is one of those moments.....

[Edited 7/28/13 19:25pm]

1725topp said:

GoldenParachute said:

1725topp said: You both have an IQ of a fly. I asked for you to explain why you think Serpan was wrong. I apologize if this was as challenging to you as being a solar astronomer, testing urodynamics and knowing meteorology. Forgive me for thinking you were not retarded. How ironic to call those who are against this behavior, emotional. Quite fitting really since also the point of the offense has flown right over your guys' heads. Saying that it was just expected because of his known behavior is a bs argument. If you are going to apply the rule to one, apply it to all. Im someone who has advocated for prince many times on this site, you never really see me bashing prince so for me to be against this, it is an etiquette issue. It could be true that prince is right for protecting his image. Ok. That still doesnt justify he was WRONG for how he came to handle it and when you come across like an asshole, people are a lot less likely to agree with you or oblige to your requests. He made a mistake. That should be easy to see, even for you two. The point isnt about who was wrong in the copyright issue, its about who was wring in how it was communicated.

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How is saying that someone should be avoided or engaged carefully because he has a history of attacking or misdoing people a bs argument? I have said in every post that Prince could have handled it differently or better, but the point is that Prince has never handled it differently or better. He has never not been an asshole. Name a time when Prince has not been an asshole...I'll wait..............See, there has never been a time that Prince has not been an asshole. Since I, you, Serpan, we, us all know this, it is a risk allowing oneself to become associated with disseminating Prince information, especially when using Prince's imaging, because he has a history of attacking people who do this. If you can't understand that rational human beings we each have a responsibility to view history and make a choice about that history, then I don't know what else to say. I didn't pay $77 for Prince's last website because I understood the history. I don't use Prince imaging to align myself with Prince while disseminating information because I know the history. If this doesn't make sense to you, then I can't help you.

Its a bs argument because you are here as a Prince fan, youre not avoiding him, or disengaging with him yourself. In fact, your unknowingly enabling his erratic behavior because you think people should just accept his antics. It would be the same thing as accepting abuse in a relationship which you so ironically made an analogy to.

You act like you are above it all and have zero compassion for those in the line of fire because you think people are forewarned. This is not true. Prince is fickle. Sometimes he feels like a nut, and sometimes he don't. People never have ample warning. EVER. The rules are subjectively changed.

I have not changed my mind about how Serpan was handled. Just because you have those who do not want to "accept" this kind of treatment, doesnt give you the right to act above them or make comments about how they brought it on themselves. I think people would be less likely to have something to say against you, if you didn't call everyone else who doesn't agree with you, "overly emotional" and whatever other condescending words you used. If you don't get that the behavior was wrong, and should be fought against, then I can't help you.

I think were done here. Im bored.

MadamGoodnight said:

How sad. Reading that exchange made me cringe!

Serpan, thank you for your years of service to the fan community. I've been able to get links to buy tickets, & have been informed of last minute shows thanks to you. You've posted a ton of pics that we have enjoyed, to make us feel as though we were there.

I hate that this happened to you, and the way that it was handled.

Militant said:

Ultimately, Prince retains the right to control and promote his art as he sees fit. That is his prerogative.

That's all there is to it.

Disgruntled fans will try and spin it negatively as per usual. But shit, look at the thread title.

It may not seem "right", or "fair", but bear in mind - Prince has a vision, and a plan for how we wants all this to work, and how he wants the information to be disseminated. He should have the freedom to execute that plan in the manner that he sees fit.

So fans who exchange info with each other on Twitter about Prince's art interfere with his "vision" and his "freedom to execute that plan in a manner that he sees fit". And this then justifies Prince aka 3EG taking a pot shot at an obsessed albeit harmless fan in a public forum for all the world to see. And when fans express their concern about this sort of behaviour then they are just "disgruntled" and "spin it negatively". Are you for real? Your post borders on willful ignorance.

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murph said:

1725topp said:

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It's funny that when I have an appropriate answer for everything you asked/stated now I'm making more out of it than it is. You were the one who implied or inferred that I was attacking Serpan's character by responding with "Serpan is a stand up guy." I don't know anything that I posted that would warrant that reply from you. So, I'm definitely not the person making more of this than it is. And, yes, it's all good. There is no beef. I'mma keep doing my Mississippi Thang playa. And Prince may need to learn to respect his fans, but people in general need to learn that pit bulls always bite and that hot stoves burn. Prince is an ass whose been saying for years that he doesn’t want fans help with his imaging and promotion. Maybe this will be the straw that will cause more people to just engage the music or find an artist that wants the same help or following that many on this site desire to give.

Because your answers have not been very appropriate to the actual topic at hand...U have been very respectful in your responses (kudos...for real)....But I don't think this has anything to do with pitbulls and hot stoves...Or P just being "P".....

Don't mistake folks being upset by specific dickish, bullying behavior to a fan with folks complaining that Prince plays too many covers or that he's not giving 3 hour shows every night or that he is no longer bringing it on record or that he doesn't like people bootlegging his music or any of the myriad of complaints we get around here...I think your point makes sense....If we were talking about the constant complaints we get from fans that think they are owed the world then I would understand most of your points.....But that's not what's happening here....

Whether or not Prince is an asshole is moot.....

We all, big or small, assholes or saints, rich or poor need to be told when our slip is showing....

This is one of those moments.....

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First, you're misstating my argument. I haven't said anything about people complaining about covers or bootlegging. Second, I don't see what Prince did as bullying; it's rude and unprofessional, but not bullying. But we can agree to disagree on the definition of bullying. Third, there is a clear history of Prince saying to fans "don't help me promote my work unless you are willing to promote it as I see fit" or risk him attacking them. This third point is all that I've been saying, and to say that I've said anything else is just wrong. (When a couple of fans have tried to link their issues with Prince’s music and this event with Serpan, I have asked them what's their real issue, but I have only been interested in stating that Serpan and the rest of us know the risk involved in disseminating information about Prince on a regularly basis or becoming a well known source for disseminating information about Prince. That's been my issue from my first post, and to say that I have stated anything else is not true. Please show me one time where I have linked Serpan's issue to an issue of covers or bootlegs without it being a response to another post.) Now, you say that Prince's slip is showing. That's cool. And, Prince's slip is, by the way, him being an asshole. So, the slip that is showing is Prince, once again, being an asshole to a fan who thought that he was helping Prince. Unfortunately, for that fan, Prince doesn't want that help, and he has made it clear that he doesn't want that help. For me, it is illogical to do the thing that causes Prince to act like an ass and then be surprised or hurt by it. Clearly, Prince doesn't care that his slip is showing because it has been showing, in regards to this issue, for twenty years or so. Prince's issue with Controversy, Housequake, and Prince.org is that he wants complete control over the information disseminated about him, and the one way he thinks that he can control that issue is by attacking people when he thinks that they have infringed on his message/promotion by using his imaging as a way to make themselves appear to be aligned with him. I'm not saying that Serpan was doing this, but Prince is clearly saying, "Hey, dude, you're too close" or "you’re doing things I don’t want you to do". At what point do people realize that Prince doesn't care that his slip is showing and stop allowing it to bother them or find an artist whose slip isn't showing because, again, pit bulls bite and hot stoves burn? They always have, and they always will. If I were Serpan, I would simply say, "Okay, I don't have to do this anymore. End of story." But, moreover, since I have witnessed this behavior from Prince over the past twenty years, I would never put myself in a position to be attacked by becoming well known for disseminating information about Prince while also using his imaging. And, I wouldn't do it without using his imaging either. I'm just content to allow Prince's feeble means of promotion to allow me what little access to his music I can find, and whatever I miss, I just miss. Prince doesn’t seem to care that fan access to his work will be limited without people like Serpan. And more importantly, Prince has made it clear that he doesn’t want people like Serpan doing this work unless they can be controlled like Dr. Funkenberry and others. If one is not willing to be controlled, then why risk the personal attack that we all know are coming. This is and continues to be my point, and to say that my point is anything else is wrong.

Militant said:

Ultimately, Prince retains the right to control and promote his art as he sees fit. That is his prerogative.

That's all there is to it.

Disgruntled fans will try and spin it negatively as per usual. But shit, look at the thread title.

It may not seem "right", or "fair", but bear in mind - Prince has a vision, and a plan for how we wants all this to work, and how he wants the information to be disseminated. He should have the freedom to execute that plan in the manner that he sees fit.

I think there's more to it legally than that. For instance, Prince himself widely distributed a font that would produce the symbol. That would seem to give some credence to the symbol being, if not completely in the public domain, at least partially so. It would seem that if Prince distributed a font that would produce the symbol on a computer, then any method of producing that symbol on a computer could be deemed the same thing (as long as the symbol's image wasn't for sale).

Because legally, the symbol never was Prince's name. IIRC, he never filed papers to legally change his name to so I'm not sure a defense of "That was only produced so people could type my legal name" would work.

Secondly, Prince is certainly within his rights to promote his art as he sees fit, but again certainly he has handled this very poorly. He really has a spotty record at best when it comes to managing his recorded output. Not that he hasn't put out some great music, but it doesn't sell. That's more a function of the marketplace/Prince's age/Prince's genre than it is anything else but the fact remains - Prince cannot sell very many copies any new music.

So to me, it really is shooting one's self in the foot to alienate most of the hardcore fans that remain who WOULD buy your music - especially when the alternative of free bootlegged downloads is impossible to miss. Prince's actions towards Serpan are only going to reinforce more people's ideas that downloading "Rock and Roll Love Affair" for free off <insert your favorite website here> instead of buying it from Prince is justifiable. That those people are wrong is beside the point - the point is that Prince has made them feel as if they are right to steal his music, because he has treated those who would gladly pay for it so callously.

I think Prince is a smart guy, and he knows what effect his actions have.

This leads me to believe that Prince's business model for the rest of his life begins and ends with touring, and he knows it.

GoldenParachute said:

1725topp said:

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How is saying that someone should be avoided or engaged carefully because he has a history of attacking or misdoing people a bs argument? I have said in every post that Prince could have handled it differently or better, but the point is that Prince has never handled it differently or better. He has never not been an asshole. Name a time when Prince has not been an asshole...I'll wait..............See, there has never been a time that Prince has not been an asshole. Since I, you, Serpan, we, us all know this, it is a risk allowing oneself to become associated with disseminating Prince information, especially when using Prince's imaging, because he has a history of attacking people who do this. If you can't understand that rational human beings we each have a responsibility to view history and make a choice about that history, then I don't know what else to say. I didn't pay $77 for Prince's last website because I understood the history. I don't use Prince imaging to align myself with Prince while disseminating information because I know the history. If this doesn't make sense to you, then I can't help you.

Its a bs argument because you are here as a Prince fan, youre not avoiding him, or disengaging with him yourself. In fact, your unknowingly enabling his erratic behavior because you think people should just accept his antics. It would be the same thing as accepting abuse in a relationship which you so ironically made an analogy to.

You act like you are above it all and have zero compassion for those in the line of fire because you think people are forewarned. This is not true. Prince is fickle. Sometimes he feels like a nut, and sometimes he don't. People never have ample warning. EVER. The rules are subjectively changed.

I have not changed my mind about how Serpan was handled. Just because you have those who do not want to "accept" this kind of treatment, doesnt give you the right to act above them or make comments about how they brought it on themselves. I think people would be less likely to have something to say against you, if you didn't call everyone else who doesn't agree with you, "overly emotional" and whatever other condescending words you used. If you don't get that the behavior was wrong, and should be fought against, then I can't help you.

I think were done here. Im bored.

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Yes, I am here as a fan, and there are some things that I think are relevant and some things that I think are not. My point was simply to say I don't understand why so many people are bothered by this, and I explained why. Thus, this whole thing is irrelevant to me, and I’ve tried to explain why. You have not changed your mind, and I have not changed mine. Big deal. At the end of the day, all I want is what music I can access, even if that is what little music I can access by Prince's feeble promotion plans. Also, I never said that Serpan brought anything on himself, but I did say that after twenty years of watching how Prince works he, me, you, us can't be surprised. And people have been forewarned for twenty years, and you just admitted it by saying that "Prince is fickle." You can only say that "Prince is fickle" if you have years of history/behavior to support that he is fickle. So, his past twenty year behavior has been a clear warning. If you, I, we, us know that Prince is fickle, then we know that at any moment the ass can turn on any one of us as he has turned on others in the past. How do we know this?: because you just said that he is fickle as you have years of witness behavior to prove that he is fickle. The way to avoid this is simply allowing Prince's feeble promotion plans to get the music to us. Anything else is making ourselves vulnerable to be attacked by Prince. So, yes, you and your argument are done, boring, and tired. Later playa.

IstenSzek said:

rap said:

Who or what is Serpan?

hey Bria, how u doin' girl?

Not everyone spends all their time here and knows every single thing.

PaisleyRose said:

I don't have all the info on what went down, but I think the intention of 3EG was one of concern for Serpan and not one of malice. I saw Serpan type in livestream chat one day that he was not sleeping very much because he spent so much time there.
And Yes, I also would check Serpans' pages for up-to-date Prince/3EG info after I had been away for days or longer. (Thank-you Serpan! ) But I'd rather do my own homework and know that Serpan is out enjoying life beyond Prince (at least a little more often than he was).

I know most of us can't stay away for long, but it is good to take a breather, even a very brief one depending on the buzz

Militant said:

1725topp said:

GoldenParachute said:

Its a bs argument because you are here as a Prince fan, youre not avoiding him, or disengaging with him yourself. In fact, your unknowingly enabling his erratic behavior because you think people should just accept his antics. It would be the same thing as accepting abuse in a relationship which you so ironically made an analogy to.

You act like you are above it all and have zero compassion for those in the line of fire because you think people are forewarned. This is not true. Prince is fickle. Sometimes he feels like a nut, and sometimes he don't. People never have ample warning. EVER. The rules are subjectively changed.

I have not changed my mind about how Serpan was handled. Just because you have those who do not want to "accept" this kind of treatment, doesnt give you the right to act above them or make comments about how they brought it on themselves. I think people would be less likely to have something to say against you, if you didn't call everyone else who doesn't agree with you, "overly emotional" and whatever other condescending words you used. If you don't get that the behavior was wrong, and should be fought against, then I can't help you.

I think were done here. Im bored.

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Yes, I am here as a fan, and there are some things that I think are relevant and some things that I think are not. My point was simply to say I don't understand why so many people are bothered by this, and I explained why. Thus, this whole thing is irrelevant to me, and I’ve tried to explain why. You have not changed your mind, and I have not changed mine. Big deal. At the end of the day, all I want is what music I can access, even if that is what little music I can access by Prince's feeble promotion plans. Also, I never said that Serpan brought anything on himself, but I did say that after twenty years of watching how Prince works he, me, you, us can't be surprised. And people have been forewarned for twenty years, and you just admitted it by saying that "Prince is fickle." You can only say that "Prince is fickle" if you have years of history/behavior to support that he is fickle. So, his past twenty year behavior has been a clear warning. If you, I, we, us know that Prince is fickle, then we know that at any moment the ass can turn on any one of us as he has turned on others in the past. How do we know this?: because you just said that he is fickle as you have years of witness behavior to prove that he is fickle. The way to avoid this is simply allowing Prince's feeble promotion plans to get the music to us. Anything else is making ourselves vulnerable to be attacked by Prince. So, yes, you and your argument are done, boring, and tired. Later playa.

Why you made tho'? Dude, aint no one more emotionally invested on this topic more then you. You say its irrelevant to you, clearly its not. Youre arguments are filled with holes and contradictions and you are jumping from one argument to the next. You've replied to damn near every person in this thread with a book, repeating yourself with your lame arguments. You avoid answering the issue and avoid addressing anything relevant that I ask you. You make excuses for shitty behavior. End of story. Do your thang. You're a troll at this point that needs to be ignored.

GoldenParachute said:

errant said:

GoldenParachute said:

Why you made tho'? Dude, aint no one more emotionally invested on this topic more then you. You say its irrelevant to you, clearly its not. Youre arguments are filled with holes and contradictions and you are jumping from one argument to the next. You've replied to damn near every person in this thread with a book, repeating yourself with your lame arguments. You avoid answering the issue and avoid addressing anything relevant that I ask you. You make excuses for shitty behavior. End of story. Do your thang. You're a troll at this point that needs to be ignored.

That's 1725topp's thing. Talking in circles with paragraph upon ponderous paragraph of absolutely nothing because he doesn't care but thinks he's intelligent, even though he never makes much sense.

Perfectly said. My thoughts exactly.

GoldenParachute said:

1725topp said:

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Yes, I am here as a fan, and there are some things that I think are relevant and some things that I think are not. My point was simply to say I don't understand why so many people are bothered by this, and I explained why. Thus, this whole thing is irrelevant to me, and I’ve tried to explain why. You have not changed your mind, and I have not changed mine. Big deal. At the end of the day, all I want is what music I can access, even if that is what little music I can access by Prince's feeble promotion plans. Also, I never said that Serpan brought anything on himself, but I did say that after twenty years of watching how Prince works he, me, you, us can't be surprised. And people have been forewarned for twenty years, and you just admitted it by saying that "Prince is fickle." You can only say that "Prince is fickle" if you have years of history/behavior to support that he is fickle. So, his past twenty year behavior has been a clear warning. If you, I, we, us know that Prince is fickle, then we know that at any moment the ass can turn on any one of us as he has turned on others in the past. How do we know this?: because you just said that he is fickle as you have years of witness behavior to prove that he is fickle. The way to avoid this is simply allowing Prince's feeble promotion plans to get the music to us. Anything else is making ourselves vulnerable to be attacked by Prince. So, yes, you and your argument are done, boring, and tired. Later playa.

Why you made tho'? Dude, aint no one more emotionally invested on this topic more then you. You say its irrelevant to you, clearly its not. Youre arguments are filled with holes and contradictions and you are jumping from one argument to the next. You've replied to damn near every person in this thread with a book, repeating yourself with your lame arguments. You avoid answering the issue and avoid addressing anything relevant that I ask you. You make excuses for shitty behavior. End of story. Do your thang. You're a troll at this point that needs to be ignored.

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You are funny cause you can't point to one thing I've said that even remotely shows that I'm mad about anything. You are just mad cause you played yourself by saying that Prince is fickle not realizing that saying that proved my point. (See, that's called evidence playa.) I haven't avoided addressing anything. I have answered each your assertions/questions with clear points. Of course, now all you can do is be circular by trying to accuse me of being circular. That's funny.

1725topp said:

GoldenParachute said:

Why you made tho'? Dude, aint no one more emotionally invested on this topic more then you. You say its irrelevant to you, clearly its not. Youre arguments are filled with holes and contradictions and you are jumping from one argument to the next. You've replied to damn near every person in this thread with a book, repeating yourself with your lame arguments. You avoid answering the issue and avoid addressing anything relevant that I ask you. You make excuses for shitty behavior. End of story. Do your thang. You're a troll at this point that needs to be ignored.

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You are funny cause you can't point to one thing I've said that even remotely shows that I'm mad about anything. You are just mad cause you played yourself by saying that Prince is fickle not realizing that saying that proved my point. (See, that's called evidence playa.) I haven't avoided addressing anything. I have answered each your assertions/questions with clear points. Of course, now all you can do is be circular by trying to accuse me of being circular. That's funny.

errant said:

GoldenParachute said:

Why you made tho'? Dude, aint no one more emotionally invested on this topic more then you. You say its irrelevant to you, clearly its not. Youre arguments are filled with holes and contradictions and you are jumping from one argument to the next. You've replied to damn near every person in this thread with a book, repeating yourself with your lame arguments. You avoid answering the issue and avoid addressing anything relevant that I ask you. You make excuses for shitty behavior. End of story. Do your thang. You're a troll at this point that needs to be ignored.

That's 1725topp's thing. Talking in circles with paragraph upon ponderous paragraph of absolutely nothing because he doesn't care but thinks he's intelligent, even though he never makes much sense.

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Awww...it's so nice to know that you're a fan, which is also somewhat awkward for me because I can't think of anything you've said or how you've said it that registers enough for me to remember. But, again, thanks for letting me know that you read and hang on every word that I type.

SpiritOtter said:

1725topp said:

errant said:

On the other hand, serpan has the right to tweet whatever information he wants if he finds it interesting or newsworthy from the Livestream chats. There is no copyright claim there. The funniest thing about this is that most of the online fanbase had the existence of the Livestream broadcasts revealed to them here by serpan. Not by Dr. Funkenberry. Not by 3rdEyeGirl.com. By serpan. On the org and twitter.

errant said:

Militant said:

Ultimately, Prince retains the right to control and promote his art as he sees fit. That is his prerogative.

That's all there is to it.

Disgruntled fans will try and spin it negatively as per usual. But shit, look at the thread title.

It may not seem "right", or "fair", but bear in mind - Prince has a vision, and a plan for how we wants all this to work, and how he wants the information to be disseminated. He should have the freedom to execute that plan in the manner that he sees fit.

True.

However, you reap what you sow.

In this case, we have a lot of animosity and anger that could have easily been avoided had there been even an ounce of sensitivity and class on behalf of 3EG in relating their desires to Mr. Serpan. Instead, we got to see, in a public forum no less, childish back talk scrawled in broken English to an individual who clearly has the right intentions at heart, even if his methods are in conflict with those in Prince's camp.

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1725topp said:

GoldenParachute said:

Why you made tho'? Dude, aint no one more emotionally invested on this topic more then you. You say its irrelevant to you, clearly its not. Youre arguments are filled with holes and contradictions and you are jumping from one argument to the next. You've replied to damn near every person in this thread with a book, repeating yourself with your lame arguments. You avoid answering the issue and avoid addressing anything relevant that I ask you. You make excuses for shitty behavior. End of story. Do your thang. You're a troll at this point that needs to be ignored.

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You are funny cause you can't point to one thing I've said that even remotely shows that I'm mad about anything. You are just mad cause you played yourself by saying that Prince is fickle not realizing that saying that proved my point. (See, that's called evidence playa.) I haven't avoided addressing anything. I have answered each your assertions/questions with clear points. Of course, now all you can do is be circular by trying to accuse me of being circular. That's funny.

The more you talk, the stupider you sound. That is why I realized I didn't need to go any further with the conversation. Me telling you Prince is fickle doesn't prove your point at all dimwit. You seem to miss the mark everytime and have selective reading comprehension.

You were mad. That is clear in your last sentence, when you antagonized me calling my argument old and tired. You sure do like to recycle not only things that you've said numerous times, but also things I have called you out on to try and claim them as your own original thoughts. I get that youre not smart enough to comprehend anything Im throwing at you so Ill move on from here and you should too. We don't have to agree, you can still be the 1% in here who likes to repeat himself and who makes excuses for poor behavior. Im sure people will learn to ignore you, starting with me.

1725topp said:

SpiritOtter said:

Unapologetically targeting and attempting to shame and humiliate a SINGLE individual for an alleged offense in a public manner, when countless others in the same public domain are committing the same or similar alleged offense, is tantamount to bully-like behaviour. It was also not an isolated one off comment, but rather a string of continuous and consistent lines of attack undertaken in an abjectly unpleasant and condescending tone. 3rdEyeGirl acknowledges he/she will not reprimand others for the same or similar alleged offenses, just Serpan, and then appears to laugh at this quite apparent subversive abuse of power. "Tell him we love him and want him to feel welcome". Sure. Why don't you go and speak to your God. He may not be quite so loving in His judgement. [Edited 7/28/13 16:11pm]

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The fact, and I do mean fact, that Prince has done this to many other individuals and organizations over the past twenty years renders your statement of a "single individual" as false. I'm not attacking you, but your points. Serpan is not the only person or group to whom this has happened. Additionally, Prince has also been consistently inconsistent on this issue, which is what makes it so difficult to know what is and what isn't ultimately acceptable. But, what has been consistent is that he has done this to others. So, based on your first sentence, the incident with Serpan is not bullying. Also, the length of the communication does not define something as bullying. Ultimately, the communication was rude but simple: stop using my imaging and stop helping me promote my work. I don't know how that is bullying, especially if the person making the request or demand has been widely known for making this demand for twenty years or more.

I could be wrong, but it was my general understanding that ALL other past instances of Prince's team approaching individuals/organisations for alleged offense was conduced in a formal manner (i.e. by solicitor/legal means) and NOT in a public forum whereby the approach could be subjectively seen or felt as humiliating or shaming. Thus, the point I was trying to make is that, unlike all other instances of heavy handed "moderation" or "enforcement", the MAJOR difference in Serpan's case was that a representative of Prince's team engaged in this bully-like hevhaviour IN PUBLIC and WITH NO REGARD for how singling out Serpan IN THIS INSTANCE in front of others would likely make him feel. If anything, the bully-like behaviour was DELIBERATELY conducted IN FRONT OF OTHERS. If that is not tantamount of bully-like behaviour, then I concede that I have wrongly argued the case. I would not be arguing the case for harrassment had Prince's team formally contacted ANYONE using solicitors/legal means IN PRIVATE (assuming the conduct was professional). I think we are in agreement that in Serpan's case, the conduct of Prince's team was antagonistic and unprofessional. In my opinion, it was almost entirely unneccessary and immaterial to any threat to Prince's apparent "artistic rights", "financial losses" or "musical vision". When it is time to call a spade a spade, it is time. The entire debacle was quite frankly beyound unsavoury.

Militant said:

Ultimately, Prince retains the right to control and promote his art as he sees fit. That is his prerogative.

That's all there is to it.

Disgruntled fans will try and spin it negatively as per usual. But shit, look at the thread title.

It may not seem "right", or "fair", but bear in mind - Prince has a vision, and a plan for how we wants all this to work, and how he wants the information to be disseminated. He should have the freedom to execute that plan in the manner that he sees fit.

hahahahahaha

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Aristotle said:

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

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I think you will find that's supposed to work both ways?

I didn't see any evidence of it in that conversation transcript.

Quite the opposite.