It's a pity Prince isn't as high profile now as say, someone like Amanda Bynes because the press would be all over this and he'd be getting some long overdue evaluation.

GoldenParachute said:

lwr001 said:

GoldenParachute said:

1725topp said:

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He also needs evidence that urine doesn't taste like lemonade and that summer always follows spring.

You both have an IQ of a fly. I asked for you to explain why you think Serpan was wrong. I apologize if this was as challenging to you as being a solar astronomer, testing urodynamics and knowing meteorology. Forgive me for thinking you were not retarded. How ironic to call those who are against this behavior, emotional. Quite fitting really since also the point of the offense has flown right over your guys' heads. Saying that it was just expected because of his known behavior is a bs argument. If you are going to apply the rule to one, apply it to all. Im someone who has advocated for prince many times on this site, you never really see me bashing prince so for me to be against this, it is an etiquette issue. It could be true that prince is right for protecting his image. Ok. That still doesnt justify he was WRONG for how he came to handle it and when you come across like an asshole, people are a lot less likely to agree with you or oblige to your requests. He made a mistake. That should be easy to see, even for you two. The point isnt about who was wrong in the copyright issue, its about who was wring in how it was communicated.

If you were a women I'd marry you.. nicely put

NikkiDarling said:

lwr001 said:

What strikes me as odd the most is that Serp and Prince's band members engaged each other in various posts also members of his mgmt team "Kiran Sharma" to be exact...Very odd and strange

[Snip - luv4u]

Shit the bed, I sincerely hope you can back that up. Otherwise, it's pretty severe defamation of character.

MacDaddy said:

I laugh at Prince's antics, i can't really get annoyed at him. If i had to sum it up, he's just a dick who puts out decent music sometimes. Nothing new. He's batshit crazy, next music please fruitcake.

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MacDaddy said:

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I swear, that's the face I pull every time I read one of Kc0oLMu$iQ's posts.

lwr001 said:

1725topp said:

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Dude, I would think that someone claiming to be as informed and as big of a Prince fan/authority as you are claiming to be would be well aware of the fact that from the very moment that Prince fansites have been existing that Prince has attacked them for what he views as infringement on his image or anything associated with his image, which includes promotion. With that history well established, does not the communication to Sepan not state that Prince thinks that Sepan, while tweeting or whatever he was doing was using or infringing upon certain imaging? So, in that case along, based on the history between Prince and his fans, Sepan, you, me, we, us should have seen the negative reaction coming. Secondly, it is inferred in the communication that Sepan (and others, myself including since I have probably read some of the communications, except for own tweeter because I refuse to get a tweeter account) had communicated information to others in a way that Prince feels infringes on his copyrights and on the general manner in how he wants his promotion handled. Again, even if I think that Sepan was acting in good faith just to share information with other fans, which I do, Prince has clearly made it clear through his past history with fans and fansites that it would be best if all promotion of his work is left to him. Are you so daft that your witnessing of twenty years of history does not make this clear? So, my point is that if anyone knows this history and still decides to do something that may be perceived by Prince as an infringement on his imaging and promotion, then you can't be surprised by a negative reaction. So, if Prince has burned people in the past by his negative reactions to similar actions, how can anyone be surprised that someone is being burned now by this negative reaction? So, yes, keep touching that same hot ass stove, and it's your own fault that you get burned. In fact, you are a damn fool if you continue to get burned. Prince's negative reaction to Sepan is nothing new and is no different than his past reactions to other fans and fansites. Now you and the rest of the overly emotional delusionals can have a hissy fit, but it is what it is because Prince is what he is. All I can tell you is that those of us who are only worried when the next album, television appearance, or tour will occur and not worried about being a mouth piece for or some member of Prince's inner circle have never been burned or offended in this way.

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Now, let me add that the Housequake moderators did an excellent job trying to navigate and moderate the conflict, but way too many folks adopted an eff Prince attitude toward infringement on imaging and, so, here we are. So, if you have this, among other things, in your historical databank, why would you expect anything different from Prince and why would you risk it? I just enjoy the music and could care less about anything else.

he wasn't posting copyrighted materials...What was he risking and why should he acquiese to Prince's demands...Prince doesn't have a leg to stand on

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One, Serpan was asked to remove some things/images and he did. So the fact that he was using things/images that Prince saw as an infringement was a risk of an attack from Prince regardless of whether or not Prince had a legal leg because Prince has done this in the past. This is my point. So, to align oneself with Prince through his imaging is risking an attack, especially if one is doing so while sharing/promoting Prince's work. Two, based on the chat, it seems that Prince is not reacting to what he sees as a one-time incident but to multiple incidents of what he views as an infringement. For Serpan, or anyone, to become well associated with disseminating Prince information, especially while using any type of Prince imaging, is ultimately risking an attack by Prince based on his history. I say the same about Dr. Funkenberry or Questlove or anybody. Today Serpan, tomorrow Dr. Funkenberry—my point not about whether or not Prince has a legal leg. To digress a bit, this is why I laugh at the dumb asses who paid $77 for Prince's last website. I had enough of a memory and history not to pay $77, so I didn't get burned. Now, to be clear if I had and could have afforded to lose $77, like I can afford to lose $5, then I would have joined. And, if I had lost the $77, I would say, "Well fool me twice, shame on me." This incident with Serpan is the same. Prince has been attacking people this way for damn near thirty years. Some of y'all are like the woman who sees the good-looking man who cheats on all the women at her job, but she just doesn't believe he will cheat on her. Then when he cheats on her, she's shocked. And when other people try to console her, I laugh because she touched a hot stove and was burned.

murph said:

1725topp said:

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Yes, but the problem is that you want respect for you and yours, but you can't seem to respect Prince's wishes that he doesn't want our help to promote or “repurpose” anything. Secondly, y'all are acting like this deal with Sepan is a one-time in a vacuum thing. It seems to me, based on the chat, that Prince is viewing this as part of his ongoing issue of fans overstepping their bounds when it comes to his imaging and promotion. See, you are saying to Prince "Dude, if you want respect, you must give it to others." I'm saying to y'all that it goes both ways. That's why I keep saying that if Prince doesn't want to have the same relationship with his fans that other artists want to have with his friends, then just find somebody who wants to have the same relationship that you do. It's that simple. But, it seems, based on the chat, that Prince is viewing this as another issue in a long line of fans overstepping their bounds. So, again, if you want me to respect your position you must respect somebody else's position. Ultimately, I don't care how he runs his business. I'm not that close to him. I have been able to gain access to the art. That's enough for me.

Goes both ways? ....Man...U got to chill with this shit...lol....Serpan is a stand-up guy...He wasn't told a lot of times to do anything....In fact, the story has been twisted around so much that some Prince fans are falling for the bait....They asked him to take down some photos from a gig, which he did....Then they asked him to not use the Prince symbol, which he quickly complied, with ho disrespect or anger....

But this^^^^has nothing to do with being bullied into not tweeting out live stream...

U see the difference?

It's not about caring how Prince runs his business or what type of drawers he wears....

It's just some Respect 101 shit....Trust me....save your above it all posts when folks on the Org truly show their STAN side by making posts about how Prince is no longer relevant (I think you are better needed in that thread....)

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I have not said anything about Serpan's character. Good for him for taking the high road rather than being adversarial. Yet, all of my posts have stated that anyone who has been a Prince fan for at least ten years knows how this story ends. I have never said that Serpan was told multiple times. I said that we all know how this story ends because we have all seen Prince attack someone when that person or group or website or fan magazine thought that they were helping him or just being a loyal fan. Based on that history, I find it incredibly naive that Serpan or anyone does not realize that it is a risk becoming associated with disseminating Prince information, especially while using Prince imaging. Again, tomorrow it may be Dr. Funkenberry, but many of the people on this site will show how hypocritical they are because while they are supporting Serpan they will be dissing and celebrating that Dr. Funkenberry was attacked because that is the nature of hypocrisy that I have seen on this site for so long. Yet, be that as it may, Dr. Funkenberry will get the same treatment from me. The stove is hot, and you get what you get from touching it.

databank said:

There was no "representative" speaking here, it was Prince chatting in person.

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Someone in the chat said something to the effect of if 3EG was Prince and she met him, she'd jump on him and rape him. 3EG's response was "Ew." Does that really sound like Prince?

SirLancelot said:

SpiritOtter said:

murph,

I am enjoying your humourous way of communicating, as well of course your sensible points, but in 1725's possible defense (not that he/she needs one), he/she is not even particularly focussing on whether the stance is right/wrong, or legally defensible or not. To my understanding (and I could be wrong), I think 1725 is suggesting that surely Serpan cannot be surprised by Prince's alleged "attack" (the hot stove analogy) based on Prince's history of abusive behaviour and furthermore, it's Serpan (and others) own faults if they remain lined up to be allegedly "attacked" by Prince because it's clear that the proverbial oven is SMOKING HOT i.e. he has a long history of using passive-aggressive bullying/abusive strategies against fans, associates, former g/f's, the list goes on and on and on. That perspective argues why put your self in the line of fire of a known tormentor. If you don't like the relationship, find a new one. Thus, 1725 at least appears to be avoiding any issue relating to morals/ethics, the law, respect and/or otherwise emotional issues. He/she is resolutely and consistently remaining focussed on strict "logic" and pragmatism. Whilst I agree that one side of a balanced approach to the overall issue is to exert left-brained logical reasoning, I do think that in this particular debate, the right-brained emotional arguments should also be given voice and heard, as there is validity to both sides. Unlike 1725, therefore, I would NOT downplay (or be somewhat condescending) towards the emotional (and irrational) viewpoints expressed here, since that "phenomological subjective experience" has just as much validity, as the logical arguments. Furthermore, when it relates to issues of potential harrassment, it is not the "intent" of the alleged perpertrator that is taken heavily into account, but rather the felt experience (illogical or not) of the supposed victim. I appreciate though that this is a contentious issue. I do believe, however, that both rational AND emotional viewpoints are equally valid in this debate.

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Yes, SpiritOtter, you have articulated my point perfectly. "why put yourself in the line of fire of a known tormentor. If you don't like the relationship, find a new one." Secondly, I'm not avoiding "any issue relating to morals/ethics, the law, respect and/or otherwise emotional issues," per se, I just don't understand how one can be surprised or angry when someone does what they have always done. If a man is a cheater, and a woman dates him, how can she be surprised if he cheats on her. Does she not realize the risk? Prince is an ass. He has always been an ass. That's why I don't break my neck to try to align myself with him. I love his art and access his art. That's it.

murph said:

SirLancelot said:

I think this goes beyond that. I get the sense that Prince/his people/whomever have been unhappy about the extraordinary lengths Serpan has gone to recently, posting pics covering every minutiae of their lives. And from what 3EG said, he was asked to stop before last night. That said, they definitely could have handled it better.

No passes....

Covering every minutiae of their lives? lol

Man...they got to u too?

And mind u, I'm usually the dude that calls out the fake criticism on the Org from folks who come here just to shit on the fans for being Prince fans on a a Prince fan site (imagine that?...lol)

But I don't care if Serp is Tweeting out the times of P's live streams with a neon sign while doing a hand stand...U don't treat fans that way...U don't bully them in that way...

"Handle it better" is an understatement....lol

This shit should have never happened in the first place...

[Edited 7/27/13 23:17pm]

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Nobody "got" to me, just stating how I see things. Like I said before, I appreciate what Serpan's been doing, although I think he goes a little overboard sometimes. And like I said before, I don't like the way 3EG handled this.

GoldenParachute said:

1725topp said:

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He also needs evidence that urine doesn't taste like lemonade and that summer always follows spring.

You both have an IQ of a fly. I asked for you to explain why you think Serpan was wrong. I apologize if this was as challenging to you as being a solar astronomer, testing urodynamics and knowing meteorology. Forgive me for thinking you were not retarded. How ironic to call those who are against this behavior, emotional. Quite fitting really since also the point of the offense has flown right over your guys' heads. Saying that it was just expected because of his known behavior is a bs argument. If you are going to apply the rule to one, apply it to all. Im someone who has advocated for prince many times on this site, you never really see me bashing prince so for me to be against this, it is an etiquette issue. It could be true that prince is right for protecting his image. Ok. That still doesnt justify he was WRONG for how he came to handle it and when you come across like an asshole, people are a lot less likely to agree with you or oblige to your requests. He made a mistake. That should be easy to see, even for you two. The point isnt about who was wrong in the copyright issue, its about who was wring in how it was communicated.

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How is saying that someone should be avoided or engaged carefully because he has a history of attacking or misdoing people a bs argument? I have said in every post that Prince could have handled it differently or better, but the point is that Prince has never handled it differently or better. He has never not been an asshole. Name a time when Prince has not been an asshole...I'll wait..............See, there has never been a time that Prince has not been an asshole. Since I, you, Serpan, we, us all know this, it is a risk allowing oneself to become associated with disseminating Prince information, especially when using Prince's imaging, because he has a history of attacking people who do this. If you can't understand that rational human beings we each have a responsibility to view history and make a choice about that history, then I don't know what else to say. I didn't pay $77 for Prince's last website because I understood the history. I don't use Prince imaging to align myself with Prince while disseminating information because I know the history. If this doesn't make sense to you, then I can't help you.

SpiritOtter said:

Furthermore to your points, GoldenParachute...

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The entire irony of the matter is that not only is the alleged copyright issue highly QUESTIONABLE (it is not as 3rdEyeGirl states a simple matter of fact), the 3rdEyeGirl behaviour was clearly beyond reprehensible. I may be wrong, but the individuals who are defending the bully-like BEHAVIOUR are in quite the minority, as they should be.

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Whoever it was that acted in that repugnant manner behind the mantle of 3rdEyeGirl, whilst appearing to smugly ACT as if they were beyond rapproach, should have been schooled in better manners by their parents. Without such schooling, it would appear the adult world is quite unequivocally putting that snide behaviour in its rightful place.

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Who is defending "bully-like behavior"? Show me one post where someone said, "I like the tone or technique they/Prince used to check Serpan". You can't because no one has said this. My point is that if you know a person is an ass and you do those things that have, in the past, caused that person to be an ass, then you can't be surprised when he acts like an ass.

Serpan makes life easier as a prince fan...with all the constant updates.Thanks for that Serpan!

I guess if 3EG wants to complain to Serpan, they should have told him to stop proclaiming "MASTERPIECE" immediately after another crap internet single is released.

Much love Serpan!

SpiritOtter said:

One post, 1725? Review ALL of kcool's posts in this thread and be prepared to have your face contort towards the funky cat face, pictured above.

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SpiritOtter, I didn't get the chance to read his post that got snipped. So, unless he was supportive of or saying it is acceptable to bully in that post, I can't see where he has been supportive of bullying. But, if you can cite a specific post that I may be missing, I'll gladly review it. Now Kool did state that if Prince asked him to remove something he would just remove it, which is also what Serpan did. But, if you can give me one, two, or three posts where Kool stated or asserted that it is/was cool for Prince or anybody else to bully someone else then I'll admit that I was wrong for saying that no one has said it is acceptable to bully people.

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Now, my next statement will, again, anger people but while I view Prince's articulation to Serpan has harsh and unprofessional I don't see it as bullying. I view it as Prince being his usual ass self, and I view it as someone who is tired of having to say to fans "don't use my imaging" and "don't help me promote my work." And while that may seem crazy and rude to others, this is what Prince has done for years, and I'm not sure that this incident rises to the level of bullying and is not just rude and unprofessional behavior.

funksterr said:

chopingard said:

It's weird because I'm not into Prince bashing and negativity but this left a bad taste in my mouth.

I think Prince is an amazing talent both live and studio, I love his current musical works and I get his struggles for artists rights... However

Calling out individual fans for their dedication and minor copyright infractions where no revenue is earned I don't understand, Especially when the only purpose of those infractions was to promote Prince's projects, It just makes no sense

It would be so easy for them to send a private message thanking him for his endevours but respectfully requesting that he let them control promotion. But calling him out on an open forum is just baffling as to what they thought they would achieve

All Serpan wanted to do was let other fans know what was going on.

Also to say "Tell him we love him and we want him 2 feel welcome" is all well and good but why don't they just send him a tweet or a private message to him explaining the situation. It's not our job as fans to explain 3rdeyegirls actions and words. All we should be here to do is enjoy some music and take responsibility for our own words not 3rdeyegirls

Prince has done this to dozens, if not hundreds of fans worldwide over the years. The only news here is in this instace he actually responded to fan backlash and retreated. My guess is he knows arrogance has cost him the loyalty of many diehard fans over the years, and he can't afford another backlash further surpressing interest in his new projects.

damn check out Serpan's twitter page.........he was way too close to 3EG and Prince and at the end of the day, would you want someone on twitter that was using it for the sole purpose of talking about you?

https://twitter.com/serpan99

again, P fans scare the crap out of me and what is even scarier is that people are defending this guy which tells me there are more haters of Prince on the internet then there are lovers - no wonder he is not on the internet much

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1725topp said:

SpiritOtter said:

3rdeyedude said:

Dear "3EG",

How petty of you to pick on such an adoring fan as Serpan.

It's too bad you have to shoot yourself in the foot over such "copyright" micro-issues.

Obviously, he wasn't making a cent -- far more likely, he was bringing you paying customers in his own small way.

Have a sense of proportion: copyright issues are non-issues at that level. You might as well shut down, the way you try to keep everything you do "small" and virtually secret.

If you think fans will eventually flock to the 3EG source sites without even a bit of word of mouth on the web, then you missed mass communications 101.

Hopefully, bridges can be mended but do consider you are thinking extremely small here.

Mr. Aero Gramm

Planet Earth

Universe A, 09309u5tV

BobGeorge909 said:

SirLancelot said:

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Someone in the chat said something to the effect of if 3EG was Prince and she met him, she'd jump on him and rape him. 3EG's response was "Ew." Does that really sound like Prince?

Yeah

Do you really think there is just one person typing under the 3EG moniker?

1725topp said:

murph said:

Goes both ways? ....Man...U got to chill with this shit...lol....Serpan is a stand-up guy...He wasn't told a lot of times to do anything....In fact, the story has been twisted around so much that some Prince fans are falling for the bait....They asked him to take down some photos from a gig, which he did....Then they asked him to not use the Prince symbol, which he quickly complied, with ho disrespect or anger....

But this^^^^has nothing to do with being bullied into not tweeting out live stream...

U see the difference?

It's not about caring how Prince runs his business or what type of drawers he wears....

It's just some Respect 101 shit....Trust me....save your above it all posts when folks on the Org truly show their STAN side by making posts about how Prince is no longer relevant (I think you are better needed in that thread....)

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I have not said anything about Serpan's character. Good for him for taking the high road rather than being adversarial. Yet, all of my posts have stated that anyone who has been a Prince fan for at least ten years knows how this story ends. I have never said that Serpan was told multiple times. I said that we all know how this story ends because we have all seen Prince attack someone when that person or group or website or fan magazine thought that they were helping him or just being a loyal fan. Based on that history, I find it incredibly naive that Serpan or anyone does not realize that it is a risk becoming associated with disseminating Prince information, especially while using Prince imaging. Again, tomorrow it may be Dr. Funkenberry, but many of the people on this site will show how hypocritical they are because while they are supporting Serpan they will be dissing and celebrating that Dr. Funkenberry was attacked because that is the nature of hypocrisy that I have seen on this site for so long. Yet, be that as it may, Dr. Funkenberry will get the same treatment from me. The stove is hot, and you get what you get from touching it.

U r making this out more to be than it is....

I don't concern myself with what some of the more nuttier element on this site does....I'm just talking about an artist who needs to have better people around him and learn how to respect a fan that was simply trying to get the word out about a live stream....All of this other stuff u r talking about is pretty much moot in this discussion....But again, it's all good...No beef here....Keep doing your thing, homie...

Superconductor said:

3rdeyedude said:

funksterr said:

Prince has done this to dozens, if not hundreds of fans worldwide over the years. The only news here is in this instace he actually responded to fan backlash and retreated. My guess is he knows arrogance has cost him the loyalty of many diehard fans over the years, and he can't afford another backlash further surpressing interest in his new projects.

damn check out Serpan's twitter page.........he was way too close to 3EG and Prince and at the end of the day, would you want someone on twitter that was using it for the sole purpose of talking about you?

https://twitter.com/serpan99

again, P fans scare the crap out of me and what is even scarier is that people are defending this guy which tells me there are more haters of Prince on the internet then there are lovers - no wonder he is not on the internet much

[Edited 7/28/13 15:55pm]

U r doing way too much.....This is pretty fucked up....

If you think Serp was in the wrong then come up with some logical reasons....Don't come up with weak observations about how dude was stalking Prince and 3EG or how he was some crazed fan....

No disrespect homie...But this is some pretty low shit....

Superconductor said:

SirLancelot said: Someone in the chat said something to the effect of if 3EG was Prince and she met him, she'd jump on him and rape him. 3EG's response was "Ew." Does that really sound like Prince?

BobGeorge909 said: Yeah

Do you really think there is just one person typing under the 3EG moniker?

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Superconductor, are you responding to me or BobGeorge909? If you're responding to me, then no, I know that there have been several people who've posted as 3EG. I was, however, referring to the person posting the night Serpan was told to remove the material from his Twitter page.