EddieC said:

EddieC said:

EddieC said:

But I looked up the ultimate source (an essay called "Proudhon et Courbet" as published in Zola's collection Mes Haines) on archive.org, and found this:

"Si vous me demandez ce que je viens faire en ce monde, moi artiste, je vous repondrai: Je viens vivre tout haut."

My French is almost non-existent, but it seems like a match.

It is a perfect match : vivre tout haut is literally to live out loud.

Congrats! Not bad for someone with shaby French.

paisleypark4 said:

yes I like this song alot! Will be nice to see the song done live too!

Recently I gave a copy of the recent track to a friend who was curious..she said...omg Prince is blowing my mind with these songs! Yall sitting over here politicizing shit need to get over the hump.

I know right? Well, we know how the people do here on the org..

I shitted on the lyrics at first too because they were a little too unsubtle for me, but now having listened to the song about 4-5 times I like it. I could see the younger kids really getting into and getting something from it.

iloveannie said:

iloveannie said:

Well Prince was never a Lennon or Dylan when it came to lyrics so what were people expecting?

My mistake, let me correct that...

"Well Liv was never a Lennon or Dylan when it came to lyrics so what were people expecting?"

You guys take everything so seriously. Year after year now I sit here posting flippant remarks, tongue in cheek comments and general trivial opinions and each and every time those comments are leapt upon. Prince is a pop star. Nothing more, nothing less. He's not Jesus and he ain't a prophet. He's had a less rewarding life in some aspects than many people here. I look at my granddaughter and it makes me far richer than any man being worshipped as a false idol with money in the bank. No fame, no money, no house could give me what I have. A wife, a daughter, a family, my privacy, my friends.
I also get to see Prince live, something he's never done

It sounds a little thin.

Hmm - like the producers aren't done working on it maybe.

Thanks for sharing, jest!

Not my cup of tea...definitely sounds too juvenile to me! Love Hannah though and she'll definitely be the breakout star!

2elijah said:

It would be interesting if Liv Warfield, gave her explanation behind the meaning of the lyrics, as she could have wrote it from a different perspective, than what some fans are assuming the song is about.

I asked her and L.O.L. (Live Out Loud) got NOTHING 2 do with LGBT! It's about living in life in freedom 4 urself. However u r in ur life LiVE it with purpose & joy. She got nothing against the gay community at all but this song hasn't been written in that perspective

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bluefish said:

IstenSzek said:

but my excitement levels about the new song dropped from about 975 to 1 when

i figured out it wasn't prince on lead vox.

My sentiments exactly on the bolded part. As much as I love the 3 girls in the band as super-talented musicians, I was hoping they were just going to be the 2013 version of Prince's "New Power Trio" band. Now that it's been revealed that they are a side project, I feel like my "bubble has been burst."

I feel the same. I'm very glad this was leaked as I have just been snap buying the stuff from 3rdeyegirl.com and I would have been gutted had I bought this. It's not that it's terrible but a big part of being a Prince fan for me is actually hearing Prince singing. I'm not at all fussed about side projects and instrumentals, or even videos.

For this to have a different lead singer means I can no longer instantly buy from 3rdeye and have to check out what everyone here says first to find out if it's a Prince track or not. It's a shame and now I have to be wary .

Appaling and embarrasing

EddieC said:

First, I know that "L.O.L. (Live Out Loud)" plays on the "Laugh(ing) Out Loud" abbreviation so common with all the kids these days. And that it very well might be a pun on Liv Warfield's name. And that an LGBT initiative shares the name (this was probably unintended, in my opinion--out least, I doubt that Prince was aware of it). But, being ancient of days myself, I recalled the existence of a film from the dark ages (1998, when I looked it up) with Holly Hunter called Living Out Loud. If you haven't heard of it, well, there's no reason you should have. Apparently, according to Wikipedia, it made $15 million back in box office out of budget of 20 million--so, not a hit, certainly. So, I was wondering how much before that the phrase was around--and I googled.

"Living out loud"/"live out loud" is not surprisingly a very popular phrase with self-help/life-coaching type blogs and sites, but I noticed that the name Emile Zola was being connected with it regularly in the results. I found it unlikely that a French writer who died in 1902 was really going be a source for this quote:

“If you ask me what I came to do in this world, I, an artist, will answer you: I am here to live out loud.”

But I looked up the ultimate source (an essay called "Proudhon et Courbet" as published in Zola's collection Mes Haines) on archive.org, and found this:

"Si vous me demandez ce que je viens faire en ce monde, moi artiste, je vous repondrai: Je viens vivre tout haut."

My French is almost non-existent, but it seems like a match.

I'm certainly not claiming the phrase is coming directly from Zola--I feel pretty safe in saying that even if Liv and the others are aware of what he wrote that they probably found out after they were familiar with the phrase from somewhere else, since it's been in pop culture for at least 15 years and is all over the "feel-good-about-yourself" corners of the internet.

On a slightly different note, I get the feeling that some people think that the appearance of the phrase "L.O.L" is necessarily a calculated attempt to appeal to a younger demographic, one tied to the internet and its abbreviations. Certainly the title refers to that internet/texting culture, but the members of the band and the song's lyricist are part of that age group and they've been active users of the technology, and their using L.O.L. makes sense to me. According to Princevault, Hannah Ford was born in 1980. Liv Warfield (credited with the lyrics) was born in 1979--I don't know how old Donna Grantis and Ida Nielsen are--I think Donna's early twenties, and Ida's older. Early twenties for at least half of them, maybe more. From Prince himself, the title might seem weird. He has 30 years on these people, and didn't come of age in a world with today's technology, and has never seemed to incorporate references to modern communication well--even "Emale" and "My Computer" seemed kind of goofy to me (and that was in the '90s), and he's been known to sing that "in this digital age, you can just page me." That's uncomfortable. When Morris and the guys stuck a hashtag on a title ("#Trendin'"), that was kind of ridiculous. It seems more natural for 3rd Eye Girl to use a title like "L.O.L."

[Edited 2/24/13 10:57am]

Okay, I have no idea what's up with my math. Liv and Hannah would be early thirties, not 20's, and Donna's probably older than that too. However, these are still people who are still more the internet/texting demo than I am (or Prince), and were actively using social media before this.

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Let's go through the revealing tells.

1) First off there is the "Screwdriver"video w/ teenagers twisting on the floor.

2) There is the look of these 3 girls distinctly different yet attractively youthul that are chosen specifically to lure a younger audience

3) Then we have the music "L.O.L" let's skip the title. Everything about this song has the hallmarks of "Please play this on the radio"

Nothing wrong w/ it but let's not pretend that isn't what is going on.

P.S. The line "Get wild if you want to" Don't pander to Prince or shit, maybe pander to Prince & you get more cowriting credits.

serpan99 said:

2elijah said:

It would be interesting if Liv Warfield, gave her explanation behind the meaning of the lyrics, as she could have wrote it from a different perspective, than what some fans are assuming the song is about.

I asked her and L.O.L. (Live Out Loud) got NOTHING 2 do with LGBT! It's about living in life in freedom 4 urself. However u r in ur life LiVE it with purpose & joy. She got nothing against the gay community at all but this song hasn't been written in that perspective

[Edited 2/25/13 1:43am]

OF COURSE it doesn't. Do you think Prince wouldn't take that down in a heartbeat if he found out?

C'mon.... he preached to people at Celebration of their immoral path. Although Prince fans want to pretend somehow that he doesn't believe that, but he has been caught too many times.

Trickology said:

C'mon.... he preached to people at Celebration of their immoral path. Although Prince fans want to pretend somehow that he doesn't believe that, but he has been caught too many times.

What do you mean caught? He's not hiding anything, he's a JW and they believe in resurrection to eternal life on Earth. Nothing hidden, nothing to catch.

serpan99 said:

2elijah said:

It would be interesting if Liv Warfield, gave her explanation behind the meaning of the lyrics, as she could have wrote it from a different perspective, than what some fans are assuming the song is about.

I asked her and L.O.L. (Live Out Loud) got NOTHING 2 do with LGBT! It's about living in life in freedom 4 urself. However u r in ur life LiVE it with purpose & joy. She got nothing against the gay community at all but this song hasn't been written in that perspective

[Edited 2/25/13 1:43am]

That's what I figured the message of the song was about from the time I heard it, as I have stated many times on this thread, as well as others. Maybe you should have responded to those on this thread who thought the message of the song focused on the LGBT coimmunity.

On another note, it would be nice to have Liv as a guest on Spreecast with Drfunkenberry and Seth though.

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Did I think it was about LBGT (?)? No. Why not? Because I have no reason to. Christ, if you're gay be gay. Don't shout about it just get on with it. You wanna act camp then so be it (personally I think it's forced and annoying but that's just me), I'm not gonna stop you. May tell you to stfu if you're a drama queen mind you. That'd be annoying no matter your sexuality.

I also don't pay attention to songs about race and slavery. I mean, seriously, it may be important to some people but in my life and where I live it's not something I have to deal with. It's a bit like tsunamis, tornadoes and forest fires and earthquakes. They just don't happen in Britain so a casual glance at the papers and then it's back to a nice cup of tea, a moan about the weather and a biscuit or two.

Hell, I'm forty two, why do I need some kids singing and telling me to be who I am and don't let anybody stop me or put me down? I mean I've got a wife, employer and government to tell me how to behave, I don't need some girly pop stars.

Stupid lyrics that perhaps mean something to someone but for anyone over the age of 17 they really shouldn't mean anything. If they do I suggest you start growing up and move out from your parents house. Adults don't have posters on their walls man. And if they do they get them framed and placed in a cool spot.

The sex trade is another matter mind you. All these girls you do and don't read about being transported about Europe... you don't need to believe in no devil when there are so many evil people walking the earth. A painful death awaits them I hope. But then life doesn't work like that unfortunately.

Oh, add to that the child grooming taking place in our larger, darker cities. I'm looking at you you Indian/Pakistani c***s that are currently being charged over here in Britain. So white girls are worthless are they? %^£^%$£&^%&&%R$@%$%$^%$^$%!!! And you wonder why we treat Asian guys with suspicion.

http://alibhai-brown.com/...ing-gangs/

Anyway, rant over. Sorry if it upsets

iloveannie said:

Did I think it was about LBGT (?)? No. Why not? Because I have no reason to. Christ, if you're gay be gay. Don't shout about it just get on with it. You wanna act camp then so be it (personally I think it's forced and annoying but that's just me), I'm not gonna stop you. May tell you to stfu if you're a drama queen mind you. That'd be annoying no matter your sexuality.

I also don't pay attention to songs about race and slavery. I mean, seriously, it may be important to some people but in my life and where I live it's not something I have to deal with. It's a bit like tsunamis, tornadoes and forest fires and earthquakes. They just don't happen in Britain so a casual glance at the papers and then it's back to a nice cup of tea, a moan about the weather and a biscuit or two.

Hell, I'm forty two, why do I need some kids singing and telling me to be who I am and don't let anybody stop me or put me down? I mean I've got a wife, employer and government to tell me how to behave, I don't need some girly pop stars.

Stupid lyrics that perhaps mean something to someone but for anyone over the age of 17 they really shouldn't mean anything. If they do I suggest you start growing up and move out from your parents house. Adults don't have posters on their walls man. And if they do they get them framed and placed in a cool spot.

If I had KCOOLS "Masterpiece" picture I'd post it under this post because this post is perfection. iloveannie thank you.

dJJ said:

I think Prince has enough money to buy some panels on his roof, that provide enough solar energy to keep Paisley Park going.

Andy Allo is doing fine. She is at the beginning of her career and I expect that we will hear more from her in the future.

About the lyrics:

You all seem to find the lyrics childish, but you don't seem to have spend 1 second wondering what the lyrics are about.

If you check the website http://www.liveoutloud.info/, you might get a different look at the lyrics.

I don't think that young lesbian and gay kids consider their issues as 'light' as you consider these lyrics.

I apreciate Prince & The 3rdeyegirls that they produced a song that has the intend to inspire and support gay people to come out about their sexuality and not have anybody intimidate them.

And I think that the next version does deserve another singer.

I think the song would fit Patryce Banks very well, she is the singer from Graham Central Station.

Trickology said:

I agree, this is a distinct pattern. I think he is frustrated he hasn't had a successful protege act that lasts other than Sheila E & The Time. And if you think about it, that is pretty amazing he was able to make stars out of two acts that are still going. The odds of that are pretty low to have two acts have this kind of longevity. But probably it stings that every other act fizzled because he is so cocky about "starmaking" I have no doubt that "Paisley Park records" still haunts him, he is reminded everyday when he walks into Paisley Park.

You bring up a interesting point about lyrics, I was listening to early Prince & it is amazing to see how fast he changed into an impressive lyricist. You rarely see someone transition like that lyrically. But it is disheartening to see Prince go juvenile basic & stay there for so long a period.

I wonder if the reason why is focusing on these acts because he is risking his health too much w/ touring. Or maybe the push on these acts is because he needs more of an income to keep Paisley Park w/ the lights on? The upkeep on that must be insane.

The problem w/ "LOL" is, Prince is springboarding off the fanbase trolling us that something exciting musically is going to happen w/ Him when it looks to be like a girl group launch. Much luck to these talented girls but I can't direct others to this group & pitch them as something for "Prince" fans to be excited about.

It is interesting that "Andy Allo" is just talked about as an afterthought. I am guessing because Prince is salty his plans for artist takeover didn't go quite as well as a "Badu" or even a "Esperanza" But it is good to see that they do link her Guitar Center appearance at least. I bet you he is jealous he didn't get a chance to discover Janelle Monae before Outkast did.

I feel kind of bad for these girls because they are going to learn the hard way when Prince is tired of their presence, likely they will be added to the list: Tamar,Jill Jones,The Game Boys,Carmen Electra,TC Ellis, etc.

Some fans will reference that we are bitching but we are no different than what Prince has said in the past about "Today's Music" To be brutally honest, it really does seem Prince wants to desperately be part of "Today's Music" Kind of puzzling to think why this is so important to him unless he wants another source of income other than royalties,publishing & touring.

The age factor of us older fans probably has something to do w/ it, but if Prince wants to reach to a younger demographic, I don't think this is it. Unless he does go Christian Rock & he can get these girls to preach the word.

On a sidenote: I think Boyfriend is musically refreshing to see in comparison w/ Screwdriver. So there! For all you fans who think we are just complaining,

I don't need to spend more than 'one second wondering what the lyrics are about' and neither does anyone else of average intellect - they are so simplistic and didactic that a 5 year old could comprehend them on first listen.

I'm not so much 'Living Out Loud' as 'Laughing Out Loud' at the lyrics.

'LOL' is not some sort of new gay anthem. Nothing in the lyrics points to a serious exploration of LGBT issues. 'LOL' is a trite motivational song that has little genuine wisdom or insight to offer anyone over the age of 12.

Now, I'm off to watch the new Bambi live video - a song where Prince does genuinely deal with homosexual issues . It's also a great song and performance, one that blows 'LOL' out of the water.

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[Edited 2/25/13 7:41am]

I've had time to listen to this a few more times.

I still think the singer's voice is very good, maybe not polished enough in this song but very good nonetheless. The song itself is pretty horrible, especially at the end where they resort to "higher ground/don't let nobody bring you down".

This song (we'll see if it's the whole project) is a reminder that just because you can sing well or play an instrument DOES NOT necessarily make you a songwriter.

Two things I find annoying/insulting about this song:

1 - Prince appears on a song called Live Out Loud when he himself does not seem to "live out loud". He's mostly lived the life of a recluse who seems to only come out for performances and appearances. That's changed a "bit" in recent past but I can't picture him on a rollercoaster or scuba diving or anything like that. In fact, aside from performing I think he "lives very quietly".

2 - A group of 20-somethings (not sure about that gypsy-looking one) telling me to "cover my ears" if I'm not ready to hear their words. I was ready to hear this stuff, in high school when girls would all write "poetry". It all seems so profound in the moment, then years later they chuckle at how ridiculous it sounds.

Summary: yes the girls have performing chops, even singing chops, but the songwriting is very subpar and would not get a second look if it wasn't related to Prince.

[Edited 2/25/13 8:30am]

Se7en said:

I've had time to listen to this a few more times.

I still think the singer's voice is very good, maybe not polished enough in this song but very good nonetheless. The song itself is pretty horrible, especially at the end where they resort to "higher ground/don't let nobody bring you down".

This song (we'll see if it's the whole project) is a reminder that just because you can sing well or play an instrument DOES NOT necessarily make you a songwriter.

Two things I find annoying/insulting about this song:

1 - Prince appears on a song called Live Out Loud when he himself does not seem to "live out loud". He's mostly lived the life of a recluse who seems to only come out for performances and appearances. That's changed a "bit" in recent past but I can't picture him on a rollercoaster or scuba diving or anything like that. In fact, aside from performing I think he "lives very quietly".

2 - A group of 20-somethings (not sure about that gypsy-looking one) telling me to "cover my ears" if I'm not ready to hear their words. I was ready to hear this stuff, in high school when girls would all write "poetry". It all seems so profound in the moment, then years later they chuckle at how ridiculous it sounds.

Summary: yes the girls have performing chops, even singing chops, but the songwriting is very subpar and would not get a second look if it wasn't related to Prince.

[Edited 2/25/13 8:30am]

Agreed.

OperatingThetan said:

Se7en said:

I've had time to listen to this a few more times.

I still think the singer's voice is very good, maybe not polished enough in this song but very good nonetheless. The song itself is pretty horrible, especially at the end where they resort to "higher ground/don't let nobody bring you down".

This song (we'll see if it's the whole project) is a reminder that just because you can sing well or play an instrument DOES NOT necessarily make you a songwriter.

Two things I find annoying/insulting about this song:

1 - Prince appears on a song called Live Out Loud when he himself does not seem to "live out loud". He's mostly lived the life of a recluse who seems to only come out for performances and appearances. That's changed a "bit" in recent past but I can't picture him on a rollercoaster or scuba diving or anything like that. In fact, aside from performing I think he "lives very quietly".

2 - A group of 20-somethings (not sure about that gypsy-looking one) telling me to "cover my ears" if I'm not ready to hear their words. I was ready to hear this stuff, in high school when girls would all write "poetry". It all seems so profound in the moment, then years later they chuckle at how ridiculous it sounds.

Summary: yes the girls have performing chops, even singing chops, but the songwriting is very subpar and would not get a second look if it wasn't related to Prince.

[Edited 2/25/13 8:30am]

Agreed.

Let's put it this way,

For a product commercial, I can hear this song. But if labels aren't buying 3rd Eye Girl as a group "L.O.L." give it to Pink, she will turn it into something. If he wants to sell songs, I can see him doing that. But groups, I can't see that at this time. But maybe they can go through boot camp on American Idol or X Factor.

Se7en said:

I was ready to hear this stuff, in high school when girls would all write "poetry". It all seems so profound in the moment, then years later they chuckle at how ridiculous it sounds.

This reminds me of a line from Cold Comfort Farm...

When poetry is combined with ill-groomed hair and eccentric dress, it's generally fatal.

iloveannie said:

I don't like that song, it doesn't talk to my senses

Good or bad, my impression of this song is still simply this:

If Prince had ZERO involvement with this band or this song, it would be reviewed so much differently than it is now. It would not be received well IMO.

Se7en said:

Good or bad, my impression of this song is still simply this:

If Prince had ZERO involvement with this band or this song, it would be reviewed so much differently than it is now. It would not be received well IMO.

Exactly what I had said. Appreciate that you agree. I think others do to. Alot of it is a force from the self proclaimed "true fans" and they want to show appreciation to the new adventure Prince is embarking on, but forcing your brain and ears to like a song that you really don't, is something I refuse to do for any artist, not even Prince. I think another motive for some of the fans on here is that they just want to be a part of the ride and take it all in, which I think is completely understandable. What I don't understand however, are fans who have these "motivations" to like some of these tracks and get appalled or angry at others when they call a song out for what it is. They also go on to accuse those who dislike tracks like 'LOL' of not "appreciating" what Prince is giving them as if Prince is our master and we are his little drones. It's frankly sickening.