electricberet said:

hhhhdmt said:

Not really. The revolution were not like lennon-mccartney where two great songwriters were on the same level. No one in the revolution was even close to prince's level as a songwriter. They get too much credit because they appeared in "purple rain" and so some people start to think of them as equal coloborators or something. Prince was the reason why the output was so good, the revolutuion were a good backing band who co wrote a few good songs, none of them were anywhere near his calibre as songwriters and are put pn a pedestal by their fans.

The Gold experience and love symbol albums, to me, are among his very best work.

George Harrison wasn't a songwriter at all when he joined the Beatles. At first, Lennon and McCartney gave him songs to sing. Then he started writing songs of his own, with a little help from Lennon. By the last album, one of his songs ("Something") was chosen as the A-side of the single and is generally regarded as one of the greatest love songs ever written, covered by Sinatra and many others. When the Beatles broke up, it was George who produced the first masterpiece, "All Things Must Pass." As the years passed after the breakup, his output became spotty again, but so did the work of the other former Beatles.

Why did George become a great songwriter when he started out as just a guitar player? Because he was in a group with two of the greatest songwriters of all time, and he wanted to rise to their level, and he did.

So my question is, suppose that the Revolution had stayed together through the end of the 1980s. Isn't it possible that Wendy and Lisa, and maybe some of the others, could have blossomed as songwriters in that environment as George did in the Beatles?

I still don't get the comparisons with the Beatles and Prince. Besides Prince basically used the Revolution for his own purpose. They never became a self-contained band as most of the members wished it was.

Timmy84 said:

electricberet said:

George Harrison wasn't a songwriter at all when he joined the Beatles. At first, Lennon and McCartney gave him songs to sing. Then he started writing songs of his own, with a little help from Lennon. By the last album, one of his songs ("Something") was chosen as the A-side of the single and is generally regarded as one of the greatest love songs ever written, covered by Sinatra and many others. When the Beatles broke up, it was George who produced the first masterpiece, "All Things Must Pass." As the years passed after the breakup, his output became spotty again, but so did the work of the other former Beatles.

Why did George become a great songwriter when he started out as just a guitar player? Because he was in a group with two of the greatest songwriters of all time, and he wanted to rise to their level, and he did.

So my question is, suppose that the Revolution had stayed together through the end of the 1980s. Isn't it possible that Wendy and Lisa, and maybe some of the others, could have blossomed as songwriters in that environment as George did in the Beatles?

I still don't get the comparisons with the Beatles and Prince. Besides Prince basically used the Revolution for his own purpose. They never became a self-contained band as most of the members wished it was.

Ringo Starr was plopped into the Beatles right before they recorded their first album, so they weren't a self-contained band in 1962. Of course it was a different situation with Prince because he was the one who had the contract in the beginning and he could hire and fire whomever he pleased, thus he was the only indispensable member of the band. But amazing things can happen when the world's spotlight is shining on you. It was shining on the Beatles in 1964 and it was shining on Prince and the Revolution in 1984.

electricberet said:

Timmy84 said:

I still don't get the comparisons with the Beatles and Prince. Besides Prince basically used the Revolution for his own purpose. They never became a self-contained band as most of the members wished it was.

Ringo Starr was plopped into the Beatles right before they recorded their first album, so they weren't a self-contained band in 1962. Of course it was a different situation with Prince because he was the one who had the contract in the beginning and he could hire and fire whomever he pleased, thus he was the only indispensable member of the band. But amazing things can happen when the world's spotlight is shining on you. It was shining on the Beatles in 1964 and it was shining on Prince and the Revolution in 1984.

Yeah but the Beatles were first and foremost a group. Even without Ringo, there were three members that had clear intentions (John, Paul & George) and for a minute it looked like Pete Best would've been the one to be with them when they started to record the hit records but alas, it wasn't meant to be.

Timmy84 said:

electricberet said:

Ringo Starr was plopped into the Beatles right before they recorded their first album, so they weren't a self-contained band in 1962. Of course it was a different situation with Prince because he was the one who had the contract in the beginning and he could hire and fire whomever he pleased, thus he was the only indispensable member of the band. But amazing things can happen when the world's spotlight is shining on you. It was shining on the Beatles in 1964 and it was shining on Prince and the Revolution in 1984.

Yeah but the Beatles were first and foremost a group. Even without Ringo, there were three members that had clear intentions (John, Paul & George) and for a minute it looked like Pete Best would've been the one to be with them when they started to record the hit records but alas, it wasn't meant to be.

Yeah, I know. If I was faced with the horrible choice of having to give up my Beatles albums or my Prince albums, I hate to say it, but I'd be hanging on to those Beatles albums.

Timmy84 said:

alandail said:

As I said earlier, I'm not sure how you rank that decade (i guess we're talking 79-88 to make it 10 years) ahead of the beatles. The one argument for Prince here is the beatles were two dominant artists instead of one. One other person I thought of who at least has to be considered is Barry Gibb from 75-84. During that time he had 8 number one songs (out of 10 top 10 singles) as the bee gees, 3 number 1 songs out of 6 top 10 hits for his brother andy, and number 1 songs for Frankie Valli (Grease), Kenny Rogers and Dolly Parton, Barbara Streisand, Yvonne Elliman as well as top 10 songs for Samantha Sang, Barbara Streisand and Dionne Warwick.

That's 15 number 1 songs written and produced (and in most cases performed) by Barry Gibb in 10 years.

At the end of that 10 year stretch he had the #1 selling album of all time (until thriller), a record setting string of 6 consecutive #1 songs (i.e. one of his songs only left the top spot to be replaced by another of his songs) and six consecutive bee gees singles hit number 1 - also a record for a producer/singer/songwriter. At one point 5 of the top 10 songs (including 4 of the top 5) were his, both records.

For the year 1978, 7 of the top 20 songs for the year were his, including 4 of the top 6. Certainly the best 1 year peak by any artist ever.

Charts are different from musical output (though the Bee Gees were no slouches).

I certainly agree that there's more it it than charts. Like Prince, the Bee Gees have some incredible music that never charted (at least in the US). Songs like You Win Again, For Whom the Bell Tolls, Toys, etc.

electricberet said:

hhhhdmt said:

Not really. The revolution were not like lennon-mccartney where two great songwriters were on the same level. No one in the revolution was even close to prince's level as a songwriter. They get too much credit because they appeared in "purple rain" and so some people start to think of them as equal coloborators or something. Prince was the reason why the output was so good, the revolutuion were a good backing band who co wrote a few good songs, none of them were anywhere near his calibre as songwriters and are put pn a pedestal by their fans.

The Gold experience and love symbol albums, to me, are among his very best work.

George Harrison wasn't a songwriter at all when he joined the Beatles. At first, Lennon and McCartney gave him songs to sing. Then he started writing songs of his own, with a little help from Lennon. By the last album, one of his songs ("Something") was chosen as the A-side of the single and is generally regarded as one of the greatest love songs ever written, covered by Sinatra and many others. When the Beatles broke up, it was George who produced the first masterpiece, "All Things Must Pass." As the years passed after the breakup, his output became spotty again, but so did the work of the other former Beatles.

Why did George become a great songwriter when he started out as just a guitar player? Because he was in a group with two of the greatest songwriters of all time, and he wanted to rise to their level, and he did.

So my question is, suppose that the Revolution had stayed together through the end of the 1980s. Isn't it possible that Wendy and Lisa, and maybe some of the others, could have blossomed as songwriters in that environment as George did in the Beatles?

i understand. Something is a nice love song, i like listening to it and while my guitar gently weeps is a terrefic rock track. Its possible that someone in the revolution would have risen to prince's level or close to his level as songwriters, but the point is when they were there, it was prince who was writing most of the material. Most pop-rock songwriters are in their primes between 22-29 years of age, why should prince be an exception?

Wow, I find it a very funny read, that some people claim Prince's band writes most of his music.

Then how come none of the independent outputs of Lisa & Wendy, Andre Cymone, BrownMark, Mazarati and Morris Day etc is anywhere near the quality of his least good 80s work?

He was a sponge that would soak up everything from other legends to own band members, and merge this to his unique sound. He learns by ear, and is capable of copying styles just by listening to it a few times. That's probably why some say his bandmembers wrote his stuff, since he was capable of remembering great ideas from band practice, but forgetting where the great ideas came from. You don't remember where you got every new word in your language from, do you?

Also, I don't see nothing wrong with playing all instruments yourself when that is something that is making a song more personal. If not, you have to explain every tune, every hit, and the emotion behind it to the musicians, which is a hard thing to do. It's easier to play what's in your head yourself if you've got the skills.

Personally I prefer Prince own handling of his instruments to any of his band members except Dr. Fink and BrownMark from the Revolution era and pre revolution era. He plays better drums than Booby Z, better guitar than both Wendy and even Dez Dickerson, plays bass kinda like Andre Cymone, but a bit nastier.

I haven't heard every album in the world, but compared to what I've heard, Prince does have the greatest decade imo when it comes to creativity and personality. He just has too many dimensions in his music that I have yet to hear by other artists, so it's an easy win situation imo.

njin said:

Wow, I find it a very funny read, that some people claim Prince's band writes most of his music.

Then how come none of the independent outputs of Lisa & Wendy, Andre Cymone, BrownMark, Mazarati and Morris Day etc is anywhere near the quality of his least good 80s work?

He was a sponge that would soak up everything from other legends to own band members, and merge this to his unique sound. He learns by ear, and is capable of copying styles just by listening to it a few times. That's probably why some say his bandmembers wrote his stuff, since he was capable of remembering great ideas from band practice, but forgetting where the great ideas came from. You don't remember where you got every new word in your language from, do you?

Also, I don't see nothing wrong with playing all instruments yourself when that is something that is making a song more personal. If not, you have to explain every tune, every hit, and the emotion behind it to the musicians, which is a hard thing to do. It's easier to play what's in your head yourself if you've got the skills.

Personally I prefer Prince own handling of his instruments to any of his band members except Dr. Fink and BrownMark from the Revolution era and pre revolution era. He plays better drums than Booby Z, better guitar than both Wendy and even Dez Dickerson, plays bass kinda like Andre Cymone, but a bit nastier.

I haven't heard every album in the world, but compared to what I've heard, Prince does have the greatest decade imo when it comes to creativity and personality. He just has too many dimensions in his music that I have yet to hear by other artists, so it's an easy win situation imo.

i agree with alot of what you're saying but there is a difference in ideas and then writing a song about those ideas. The revolution does deserve credit for co writing songs like computer blue, mountains etc, it just that it was mainly his creativity, songwriting etc

agree with the instruments part too. He can play anything he wants (except sax) and sometimes it might be difficult to show every band member how he wants them to play on a song. Prince is a funky drummer and l like his drumming more than bobby z, but personally i prefer sheila over any drummer he has ever had.

hhhhhhbmeptn and timmy do u guys even realize the title of the thread .. ya'll go on and on like some of us are saying prince sucked .. prince was great .. still has good moments but not as many as he used to and has my respect as a musician .. but best of all time is a whole nother story yo

i recall a story about wendy and lisa being very sad listening to SOTT because they had worked on a lot of those songs and their recorded contributions were mostly stripped off the final record

prince and the revolution is a band and prince records were labeled as such from 1999 thru parade and even dirty mind has a lot of reference and props to his band .. who were outstanding and very influencial in prince life

bands like say your talking heads or led zeppelin or neil young and crazy horse or bob dylan and the band all had different people contributing to the final product in different and significant ways even tho in many cases it was primarily one songwriter

the revolution or prince dad may have contributed to say a computer blue or mountains just as jimmy page may come in with a full song or robert plant may have an idea or john paul jones may have a little riff ..

bob dylan came in with full songs mostly .. hendrix likely did as well .. you cannot discount the band contributions regardless of the credited uncredited issue .. u cannot say prince "as a solo artist" had the best decade because he did it all on his own while others like zepp talking heads, beatles etc .. had help and therefore they dont count as much as prince .. its just not true

prince and the REVOLUTION was his peak years and therefore should be considered like any other band .. even without the band dynamic .. bob dylan still beats prince .. so does leanord cohen niel young .. john lennon .. they all wrote much more relevant and long lasting music

i love all prince side projects but come on nasty girl .. is that what we are supposed to compare to say an "i shall be released" or a "blowin in the wind" .. or a "hallelujah" or "a case of u" or "big yellow taxi" ??? .. prince just cant hang on that level of artistry ... he's great .. i love erotic city and shockadelica for what they are .. fun, cute whatever .. just lets get real .. do you all listen to anything other than top 40 pop .. i have my doubts .. compared to top 40 pop radio prince is hands down the best .. but top 40 pop radio to me and likely others is pure complete crap ..

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this is some real fanboy fantasy if you think prince is the best musician in the world.

TrevorAyer said:

hhhhhhbmeptn and timmy do u guys even realize the title of the thread .. ya'll go on and on like some of us are saying prince sucked .. prince was great .. still has good moments but not as many as he used to and has my respect as a musician .. but best of all time is a whole nother story yo

i recall a story about wendy and lisa being very sad listening to SOTT because they had worked on a lot of those songs and their recorded contributions were mostly stripped off the final record

prince and the revolution is a band and prince records were labeled as such from 1999 thru parade and even dirty mind has a lot of reference and props to his band .. who were outstanding and very influencial in prince life

bands like say your talking heads or led zeppelin or neil young and crazy horse or bob dylan and the band all had different people contributing to the final product in different and significant ways even tho in many cases it was primarily one songwriter

the revolution or prince dad may have contributed to say a computer blue or mountains just as jimmy page may come in with a full song or robert plant may have an idea or john paul jones may have a little riff ..

bob dylan came in with full songs mostly .. hendrix likely did as well .. you cannot discount the band contributions regardless of the credited uncredited issue .. u cannot say prince "as a solo artist" had the best decade because he did it all on his own while others like zepp talking heads, beatles etc .. had help and therefore they dont count as much as prince .. its just not true

prince and the REVOLUTION was his peak years and therefore should be considered like any other band .. even without the band dynamic .. bob dylan still beats prince .. so does leanord cohen niel young .. john lennon .. they all wrote much more relevant and long lasting music

i love all prince side projects but come on nasty girl .. is that what we are supposed to compare to say an "i shall be released" or a "blowin in the wind" .. or a "hallelujah" or "a case of u" or "big yellow taxi" ??? .. prince just cant hang on that level of artistry ... he's great .. i love erotic city and shockadelica for what they are .. fun, cute whatever .. just lets get real .. do you all listen to anything other than top 40 pop .. i have my doubts .. compared to top 40 pop radio prince is hands down the best .. but top 40 pop radio to me and likely others is pure complete crap ..

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i listen to plenty of classic rock, older music etc.

Prince and the revolution are not any band. They are a backing band with prince writing most of the material.

Wendy and Lisa were sad that prince released his own version of strange relationship, removing the indian instrumentation that they had added. Doesnt change anything, he wrote the song, he composed it, wendy and lisa did not claim to write a single song that ended on sign of the times. If prince was not crediting people, why did he credit sussanah, dr fink, eric leeds etc? thats because he did credit them

You can compare "purple rain", "when doves cry", "love--thy will be done", to any of the songs you mentioned. Picking prince's weaker songs and comparing them to other artist's best is comical.

If prince had not written "long lasting" music, then how come even his b-sides have been covered by artists? Alicia key's covered "how come you dont call me anymore", adam lambert covered it recently in concert, d'angelo covered "she's always in my hair". That is long lasting music right there oh yes prince can hang in that level of artistry.

I am sorry, but you are the one who doesnt have any knowledge about music. I mean, after all, you claimed that anyone who plays guitar can play bass. You claimed that an average led zeppelin or beatles record has more diversity than prince's entire carrear which is again comical stuff. And yes i own most of beatles and led zep catalogue, and have listened to them several times, and no neither of them are more versatile than prince. You wont see me making such absurd claims because i already have good music knowledge

Prince and the revolution is not like led zeppelin. Prince was the guy writing most of the songs, the revolution was a backup band. Therefore it is prince's genius. The revolution were credited on songs like computer blue, mountains, 17 days etc, no one id denying that. It doesnt mean you make up nonsense about them co writing all of prince's best stuff which is something they would laugh at themselves.

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jackson35 said:

this is some real fanboy fantasy if you think prince is the best musician in the world.

oh yes we are fanboys

http://www.youtube.com/wa...4FmagZjYfE

these are actual musicians who are calling prince a genius, the best musician in the world.

Everyone from Foo Fighters to John Mayer, to George Clinton to Duff McKagan (guns n roses), to alicia keys, dangelo, beyonce and even recent stars like adam lambert have covered prince, yet he has not had a long lasting impact

hhhhdmt said:

Everyone from Foo Fighters to John Mayer, to George Clinton to Duff McKagan (guns n roses), to alicia keys, dangelo, beyonce and even recent stars like adam lambert robyn have covered prince, yet he has not had a long lasting impact

I've yet to see dude cover him (he mentioned LRC but that's about it) but I think you meant Robyn. She did "Jack U Off" after all...

Timmy84 said:

hhhhdmt said:

Everyone from Foo Fighters to John Mayer, to George Clinton to Duff McKagan (guns n roses), to alicia keys, dangelo, beyonce and even recent stars like adam lambert robyn have covered prince, yet he has not had a long lasting impact

I've yet to see dude cover him (he mentioned LRC but that's about it) but I think you meant Robyn. She did "Jack U Off" after all...

adam lambert did cover prince in concert, he did "how come u dont call me anymore"

hhhhdmt said:

Timmy84 said:

I've yet to see dude cover him (he mentioned LRC but that's about it) but I think you meant Robyn. She did "Jack U Off" after all...

adam lambert did cover prince in concert, he did "how come u dont call me anymore"

I remember it now. That was his pre-Idol days... he was kinda sloppy with it though.

^^ Speaking of that song, I think Stephanie Mills did the BEST cover of it.

njin said:

Wow, I find it a very funny read, that some people claim Prince's band writes most of his music.

Then how come none of the independent outputs of Lisa & Wendy, Andre Cymone, BrownMark, Mazarati and Morris Day etc is anywhere near the quality of his least good 80s work?

He was a sponge that would soak up everything from other legends to own band members, and merge this to his unique sound. He learns by ear, and is capable of copying styles just by listening to it a few times. That's probably why some say his bandmembers wrote his stuff, since he was capable of remembering great ideas from band practice, but forgetting where the great ideas came from. You don't remember where you got every new word in your language from, do you?

Also, I don't see nothing wrong with playing all instruments yourself when that is something that is making a song more personal. If not, you have to explain every tune, every hit, and the emotion behind it to the musicians, which is a hard thing to do. It's easier to play what's in your head yourself if you've got the skills.

Personally I prefer Prince own handling of his instruments to any of his band members except Dr. Fink and BrownMark from the Revolution era and pre revolution era. He plays better drums than Booby Z, better guitar than both Wendy and even Dez Dickerson, plays bass kinda like Andre Cymone, but a bit nastier.

I haven't heard every album in the world, but compared to what I've heard, Prince does have the greatest decade imo when it comes to creativity and personality. He just has too many dimensions in his music that I have yet to hear by other artists, so it's an easy win situation imo.

Amen, as the Revolution they made good music together, but the fact none of them had a single hit yet alone a lasting career after Prince, clearly shows where the talent and recognition laid. Okay Wendy n Lisa are great talents and are unappreciated, but as strong as their solo career may be, most people are going to remember as being part of Prince and the Revolution. Prince was the main talent, he made it happen, the others were lucky to have their ideas accepted by him ( I am listening to All My Dreams and A Place in Heaven as I write this), as great as they are, and the amount of input from the Revolution, its still a PRINCE song.

And 1978-1988 is STILL the Prince greatest decade of musical output

Prince was blessed to have the right people in his life from WB to Vanity from Bobby Z - Cat from Susan Rogers to the Purple Rain

and that's that lol and because it was even so much more cohesive 1984-1986 years had the craziest output and creativity

alandail said:

As I said earlier, I'm not sure how you rank that decade (i guess we're talking 79-88 to make it 10 years) ahead of the beatles. The one argument for Prince here is the beatles were two dominant artists instead of one. One other person I thought of who at least has to be considered is Barry Gibb from 75-84. During that time he had 8 number one songs (out of 10 top 10 singles) as the bee gees, 3 number 1 songs out of 6 top 10 hits for his brother andy, and number 1 songs for Frankie Valli (Grease), Kenny Rogers and Dolly Parton, Barbara Streisand, Yvonne Elliman as well as top 10 songs for Samantha Sang, Barbara Streisand and Dionne Warwick.

That's 15 number 1 songs written and produced (and in most cases performed) by Barry Gibb in 10 years.

At the end of that 10 year stretch he had the #1 selling album of all time (until thriller), a record setting string of 6 consecutive #1 songs (i.e. one of his songs only left the top spot to be replaced by another of his songs) and six consecutive bee gees singles hit number 1 - also a record for a producer/singer/songwriter. At one point 5 of the top 10 songs (including 4 of the top 5) were his, both records.

For the year 1978, 7 of the top 20 songs for the year were his, including 4 of the top 6. Certainly the best 1 year peak by any artist ever.

Astonishing achievement. No wonder there was a backlash.

Duke Ellington 1935-1944. I dare anyone to listen to it and not agree. As a matter of fact, any 10-year period pre-1944 of Ellington rivals Prince in terms of inventiveness AND prolificness. Well, pretty much every level. I would go as far to say that Ellington is a required listening to any Price fan. He was the original Purple Maestro ("Mood Indigo" anyone?) and the father of modern synthesis (Duke's synthesizers were ACOUSTIC!).

It's quite simply... mind-blowing.

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Timmy84 said:

ThreadBare said:

Umm, what do you people have against session guitarists and musicians? It's not equal to uninspired work. Some of the tunes you count among your favorites used session players and singers. A lot of giants cut their teeth doing studio work.

I don't get that either. It doesn't make Prince any less great if he was just that. People are PRESSED.

I can't wait until my next session!

ThreadBare said:

Timmy84 said:

I don't get that either. It doesn't make Prince any less great if he was just that. People are PRESSED.

I can't wait until my next session!

OldFriends4Sale said:

And 1978-1988 is STILL the Prince greatest decade of musical output

Prince was blessed to have the right people in his life from WB to Vanity from Bobby Z - Cat from Susan Rogers to the Purple Rain

and that's that lol and because it was even so much more cohesive 1984-1986 years had the craziest output and creativity

Personally I think the greatest strength in these musicians were that they probably were honest with Prince, they weren't ass licking gold diggers, but true and honest musicians that after a while would be a bit too much for Princes ego to handle. His band was not writing most of his material, but was without a doubt a huge inspiration to his music, and his style was always reflecting the overall vibe between each band member and their individual musical background.

hhhhdmt said:

TrevorAyer said:

hhhhhhbmeptn and timmy do u guys even realize the title of the thread .. ya'll go on and on like some of us are saying prince sucked .. prince was great .. still has good moments but not as many as he used to and has my respect as a musician .. but best of all time is a whole nother story yo

i recall a story about wendy and lisa being very sad listening to SOTT because they had worked on a lot of those songs and their recorded contributions were mostly stripped off the final record

prince and the revolution is a band and prince records were labeled as such from 1999 thru parade and even dirty mind has a lot of reference and props to his band .. who were outstanding and very influencial in prince life

bands like say your talking heads or led zeppelin or neil young and crazy horse or bob dylan and the band all had different people contributing to the final product in different and significant ways even tho in many cases it was primarily one songwriter

the revolution or prince dad may have contributed to say a computer blue or mountains just as jimmy page may come in with a full song or robert plant may have an idea or john paul jones may have a little riff ..

bob dylan came in with full songs mostly .. hendrix likely did as well .. you cannot discount the band contributions regardless of the credited uncredited issue .. u cannot say prince "as a solo artist" had the best decade because he did it all on his own while others like zepp talking heads, beatles etc .. had help and therefore they dont count as much as prince .. its just not true

prince and the REVOLUTION was his peak years and therefore should be considered like any other band .. even without the band dynamic .. bob dylan still beats prince .. so does leanord cohen niel young .. john lennon .. they all wrote much more relevant and long lasting music

i love all prince side projects but come on nasty girl .. is that what we are supposed to compare to say an "i shall be released" or a "blowin in the wind" .. or a "hallelujah" or "a case of u" or "big yellow taxi" ??? .. prince just cant hang on that level of artistry ... he's great .. i love erotic city and shockadelica for what they are .. fun, cute whatever .. just lets get real .. do you all listen to anything other than top 40 pop .. i have my doubts .. compared to top 40 pop radio prince is hands down the best .. but top 40 pop radio to me and likely others is pure complete crap ..

[Edited 5/27/11 20:13pm]

i listen to plenty of classic rock, older music etc.

Prince and the revolution are not any band. They are a backing band with prince writing most of the material.

Wendy and Lisa were sad that prince released his own version of strange relationship, removing the indian instrumentation that they had added. Doesnt change anything, he wrote the song, he composed it, wendy and lisa did not claim to write a single song that ended on sign of the times. If prince was not crediting people, why did he credit sussanah, dr fink, eric leeds etc? thats because he did credit them

You can compare "purple rain", "when doves cry", "love--thy will be done", to any of the songs you mentioned. Picking prince's weaker songs and comparing them to other artist's best is comical.

If prince had not written "long lasting" music, then how come even his b-sides have been covered by artists? Alicia key's covered "how come you dont call me anymore", adam lambert covered it recently in concert, d'angelo covered "she's always in my hair". That is long lasting music right there oh yes prince can hang in that level of artistry.

I am sorry, but you are the one who doesnt have any knowledge about music. I mean, after all, you claimed that anyone who plays guitar can play bass. You claimed that an average led zeppelin or beatles record has more diversity than prince's entire carrear which is again comical stuff. And yes i own most of beatles and led zep catalogue, and have listened to them several times, and no neither of them are more versatile than prince. You wont see me making such absurd claims because i already have good music knowledge

Prince and the revolution is not like led zeppelin. Prince was the guy writing most of the songs, the revolution was a backup band. Therefore it is prince's genius. The revolution were credited on songs like computer blue, mountains, 17 days etc, no one id denying that. It doesnt mean you make up nonsense about them co writing all of prince's best stuff which is something they would laugh at themselves.

[Edited 5/27/11 20:41pm]

prince best songs do not stand next to lennon, mccartney, dylan, cohen, joni mitchell or marleys best songs .. prince is not the best .. not even close .. end of story

a few nobody pop prostitutes cover prince and u dont mention all the covers of these listed above artists .. by the thousands if not more .. including by prince .. dylan on an acoustic guitar can do more musically than prince with all the gadgets money can buy .. prince isnt even smart enought to use a real acoustic guitar .. the truth album sounded like shit .. one night alone was boring .. yet mitchell and dylan can put out timeless classics that hold up over time sound good have brilliant poetry and delivery ..

yeah if u can play guitar u can play bass .. same strings same notes just a little wider on the frets ... its not hard

prince and the revolution is akin to dylan and the band or niel young or joni mitchell .. as individuals lennon and mccartney have a genius run if even if u separate who wrote each track and called the beatles the backing band .. except that prince collaborated more on songs than dylan, marley or neil young did .. so prince is the one with less solo work if u wanna get technical

ur not rational and are very biased .. bob marley . . u think prince is better than bob marley really? u think prince is better than james brown? really ??? or dylan or etc ....

bottom line is you keep repeating the same lie .. you lack credibility and i am happy u like prince .. he's good but yer seriously out of touch with the reality of band, rec company and crediting dynamics .. as well as overrating prince genius .. lyrically he has always been lacking with a few high points .. musically he can be interesting but usually even that is pretty boring these days .. and again if prince last 2 decades is not proof that prince cant do it alone i don't know what else to tell you .. MOST prince fans know it .. thats why hes lucky to sell 300,000 when he used to move millions easy .. so then u have the die hards that still just listen to the beat and think prince still has it .. which is laughable .. and then u have the die hards that still buy his records but find them unlistenable .. and then you have MOST of the old prince fans who dont even bother anymore because he puts out such pure shit over and over .. and you wanna say he does it all himself .. allright i'll just agree to disagree .. there is no way that someone who "did it all himself" in his prime can put out such utter crap once his "hired back up band" is gone

TrevorAyer said:

hhhhdmt said:

i listen to plenty of classic rock, older music etc.

Prince and the revolution are not any band. They are a backing band with prince writing most of the material.

Wendy and Lisa were sad that prince released his own version of strange relationship, removing the indian instrumentation that they had added. Doesnt change anything, he wrote the song, he composed it, wendy and lisa did not claim to write a single song that ended on sign of the times. If prince was not crediting people, why did he credit sussanah, dr fink, eric leeds etc? thats because he did credit them

You can compare "purple rain", "when doves cry", "love--thy will be done", to any of the songs you mentioned. Picking prince's weaker songs and comparing them to other artist's best is comical.

If prince had not written "long lasting" music, then how come even his b-sides have been covered by artists? Alicia key's covered "how come you dont call me anymore", adam lambert covered it recently in concert, d'angelo covered "she's always in my hair". That is long lasting music right there oh yes prince can hang in that level of artistry.

I am sorry, but you are the one who doesnt have any knowledge about music. I mean, after all, you claimed that anyone who plays guitar can play bass. You claimed that an average led zeppelin or beatles record has more diversity than prince's entire carrear which is again comical stuff. And yes i own most of beatles and led zep catalogue, and have listened to them several times, and no neither of them are more versatile than prince. You wont see me making such absurd claims because i already have good music knowledge

Prince and the revolution is not like led zeppelin. Prince was the guy writing most of the songs, the revolution was a backup band. Therefore it is prince's genius. The revolution were credited on songs like computer blue, mountains, 17 days etc, no one id denying that. It doesnt mean you make up nonsense about them co writing all of prince's best stuff which is something they would laugh at themselves.

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prince best songs do not stand next to lennon, mccartney, dylan, cohen, joni mitchell or marleys best songs .. prince is not the best .. not even close .. end of story

a few nobody pop prostitutes cover prince and u dont mention all the covers of these listed above artists .. by the thousands if not more .. including by prince .. dylan on an acoustic guitar can do more musically than prince with all the gadgets money can buy .. prince isnt even smart enought to use a real acoustic guitar .. the truth album sounded like shit .. one night alone was boring .. yet mitchell and dylan can put out timeless classics that hold up over time sound good have brilliant poetry and delivery ..

yeah if u can play guitar u can play bass .. same strings same notes just a little wider on the frets ... its not hard

prince and the revolution is akin to dylan and the band or niel young or joni mitchell .. as individuals lennon and mccartney have a genius run if even if u separate who wrote each track and called the beatles the backing band .. except that prince collaborated more on songs than dylan, marley or neil young did .. so prince is the one with less solo work if u wanna get technical

ur not rational and are very biased .. bob marley . . u think prince is better than bob marley really? u think prince is better than james brown? really ??? or dylan or etc ....

bottom line is you keep repeating the same lie .. you lack credibility and i am happy u like prince .. he's good but yer seriously out of touch with the reality of band, rec company and crediting dynamics .. as well as overrating prince genius .. lyrically he has always been lacking with a few high points .. musically he can be interesting but usually even that is pretty boring these days .. and again if prince last 2 decades is not proof that prince cant do it alone i don't know what else to tell you .. MOST prince fans know it .. thats why hes lucky to sell 300,000 when he used to move millions easy .. so then u have the die hards that still just listen to the beat and think prince still has it .. which is laughable .. and then u have the die hards that still buy his records but find them unlistenable .. and then you have MOST of the old prince fans who dont even bother anymore because he puts out such pure shit over and over .. and you wanna say he does it all himself .. allright i'll just agree to disagree .. there is no way that someone who "did it all himself" in his prime can put out such utter crap once his "hired back up band" is gone

yes prince is better than bob marley, yes he is better than james brown and yes he is better than bob dylan. Marley was a regaee artist who could never match prince's musicianship, versatility or anything else for that matter.

Prince can do it alone you clown. The gold experience and love symbol are among his best albums. Most artists are at their peak in their 20's for gods sake, how hard is it for you to understand that? Most prince fans know he is a genius, unlike trolls like you. He did do it by himself, virtually every artist is at his peak in their 20's, why cant you get that?

You are a LIAR. You lied about sott songwriting credits, you claim prince is a boring session guitaritst whereas even great guitarists like clapton and brian may think he is world class, you failed to proove that their are "many" multi instrumentalists on prince's level. And no anyone who plays guitar cannot necessarily play bass on a pro level.

I am not rational? Its you who isnt rational when you will make absurd statements like an average beatles or led zeppelin record being more versatile than prince's entire catalogue. That is not rational. You are just a bitter and whiny person who can't get over the fact that it isnt the 80's anymore. YOU HAVE ZERO musical knowledge. None. You are attacking prince but not those other so called geniuses who have either stopped making records or relase one record after several years.

Its not hard to play guitar and bass on a pro level? Well why dont you do it? Please upload videos of you playing guitar and bass on a pro level.

What exactly did prince "colloborate on"? Computer Blue, Mountains, 17 days, power fantastic and sometimes it snows in april? thats it? those are more colloborations

You are a liar with zero credibility. Keep whining, this isnt the 80's anymore. If prince had not written "long lasting music", than his b sides would not be covered over 20 years after they were orignally released. His songs are widely covered today, so you are the one who doesnt have a clue

Bottom line is that you have been owned on this thread several times. The lie about SOTT songwriting credits, "many" Mi's being on his level and so on.

And the "die hards" dont hate his recent music, Lotus is very very good and many fans think it is excellent. 3121, to me, is among his best albums. We wouldnt be on this site and listenng to his stuff if we didnt like it. Besides why dont u answer me, why isnt stevie wonder matching his peak output? why isnt paul mccartney, joni mitchell, why? Because every artist has their peak (usually their 20;s) and after that they put out good music less often. Grow up and understand that instead of making nonsense up.

And it isnt just some pop stars covering prince. Its everyone from foo fighters (widely considered one of the best bands in the world) to geroege clinton (funk legend) to d'angelo (one of the best r&b artists of the 90's) to john mayer (one of the best well known guitarists out there today) to recent pop stars. His influence is massive and widespread that everyone from rock, funk, r&b and pop artists are or have covered him.

The fact that you would pick prince's weaker songs and compare them to other artists best shows your bias. You are biased, not me. After all, since stevie wonder, joni mitchell, paul mccartney and others can't match their peak output, it must be because they were given false writing credits and it must have been the people around them who were writing songs and all of them stole songwriting credits. Thats wonderful logic right there.

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hhhhhmpt said "The gold experience and love symbol are among his best albums"

well this explains a lot .. i shoulda known .. now i do

enjoy ur tony m and prince failed attempt to replace him on the gold experience with even worse rapping .. by himself

if this is what u think is better than marley well i guess there is just no showing some people what good music sounds like .. now i'm a bit bummed at how tasteless some prince fans are .. i guess 2 decades of crap music will do that to your fanbase ..

njin said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

And 1978-1988 is STILL the Prince greatest decade of musical output

Prince was blessed to have the right people in his life from WB to Vanity from Bobby Z - Cat from Susan Rogers to the Purple Rain

and that's that lol and because it was even so much more cohesive 1984-1986 years had the craziest output and creativity

Personally I think the greatest strength in these musicians were that they probably were honest with Prince, they weren't ass licking gold diggers, but true and honest musicians that after a while would be a bit too much for Princes ego to handle. His band was not writing most of his material, but was without a doubt a huge inspiration to his music, and his style was always reflecting the overall vibe between each band member and their individual musical background.

Spot on

Nicely put

Well said

& Amen

TrevorAyer said:

hhhhhmpt said "The gold experience and love symbol are among his best albums"

well this explains a lot .. i shoulda known .. now i do

enjoy ur tony m and prince failed attempt to replace him on the gold experience with even worse rapping .. by himself

if this is what u think is better than marley well i guess there is just no showing some people what good music sounds like .. now i'm a bit bummed at how tasteless some prince fans are .. i guess 2 decades of crap music will do that to your fanbase ..

why do u refuse to answer my question about stevie, joni, mccartney etc? why do u refuse to admit your lies about sott songwriting credits, many mi's being on his level, the claim that it is easy to play bass and guitar at a pro level, that mccartney is a "virtuso" on many instruments? Because you know you are wrong

Please do us a favour and go listen to silly regaee music about getting high while the rest of us can enjoy great music that prince still makes. No, prince is not putting out crap music, he has been putting out amazing stuff, albeit inconsistently.

I am actually bummed at how stupid can one get. You simply refuse to acknowledge that most artist's prince's age are not matching their peak output either. Why dont u whine about them? It is you who has no music taste, no music knowledge, none whatsoever. The fact that the likes of Brian May, eric clapton etc think of prince as a great world class guitarist, and you simply dismiss him as being a "boring session player" and that "thousands" of guitarist can play like him shows your musical taste which is quite frankly crap.

Instead of responding to 5% of my post, please try and responding to most of it. You cannot because you know you have lied several times and that you have been owned on those lines.

and by the way, prince's best songs do stand right next to mccartney, lennon, joni, marley etc. End of story.

And the gold experience and love symbol are GREAT albums and among his best work. Both albums receive a great deal of praise from critics and fans, most critics and fans regard them as among his best work. Just because the rapping is silly doesnt take away from these two albums, there are many amazing songs in them. 7, And God Created Woman, Blue Light, Love 2 the 9's, Endorphinmachine, Gold, Shy, Eye Hate You, The Most beautiful girl in the world, 319 etc are all great or good songs and are well liked by most prince fans.

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