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Jesus Christ, what a terrible list.
Sting? Ani DiFranco? Tom Petty?
And why is Miles Davis in it? You're going to lump one jazz artist in for shits and giggles? The Cure? Give me a fucking break. Ozzy Osbourne. Ahahahahahaha
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Joy in Repetition was made in 1986 correct?
A lot of the Batman material just by similiarity in sounds were made during the Lovesexy years
Batman the movie was a huge success, Graffiti Bridge was a flop the Batman music was good, most of the good music from Graffiti Bridge was made somewhere between 1981-1988 A lot of people issues with the Batman music was that 1.)it sounded rushed not a lot of depth like his previous recordings 2.)sounds like something that he already made and just added it to the album with no real connection to the movie | |
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. Actually, I do prefer the "Prince" album in '79 over Batman or Bridge just because the music is so strong. I wanna be your lover, Why you wanna treat me so bad, Bambi, I feel for you, Sexy dancer, are better songs than much of what is on Bridge and Batman. You'd have to combine both to get five comparable songs(we can funk, vicki waiting, batdance, joy in repitition, scandalous) IMHO.
No one can say that only one artist is the best, many of the ones you mentioned and many you havent are on the list of my favs. However, to me personally, and I am asuming for many other fans around the world, Prince is slighty above them all. There is just something in his music that makes you have chills, and make you want to dance. He is bad ass guitarist \ musician, with electrifying lyrics. It is the mix of genres that he mastered so well that set him apart from all the rest. Personally, he is the only artist that I would never get bored with. I can have phases where I am completly into other music, but I always end up coming back for more with Prince | |
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Correct. The original version with a different intro.
Hmm. Maybe the only really great track written specifically during the album's recording sessions was "Thieves In The Temple". "Elephants & Flowers", "Can't Stop This Feeling I Got", "Still Would Stand All Time" and "We Can Funk" originate from earlier sessions as well.
I don't remember when "The Question of U" was originally written.
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TIck Tick Bang from 1981 | |
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1985. | |
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Yeah. I guess the version on GB is just so different that I tend to view them as two different songs.
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We are talking about a 10 year period not entire career. 79-88 Prince is up there with anyone that ever did and way above a bunch of artists you listed. You basically put the entire grunge scene on that list and none of them had a decade of success in the parameters I listed. I'm talking about a decades worth of output. Albums, B-sides, outtakes, movies, tours, performances, sales, cultural impact. Ani Difranco and most of your list never had Prince level success. David Byrne is dope but not on Prince level and you don't have Elton John or Presley guys that really had a good 10 years on top | |
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missed the point? um I am saying no I don't think prince had the greatest "decade" because his peak did not last a full decade .. it lasted 5 or 6 years just like most great artists listed above .. as for mj .. he had a career before off the wall and i'm not a big fan but I respect his work and would venture to say he had at least a great 5 year stretch just like prince .. furthermore .. prince gets way too much publicity for being prolific and his first few records kinda had some really sucky moments comparable to anybody elses not so perfect records .. but the fact is bob dylan bob marley james brown completely slay prince in the prolific category and there is FAR MORE QUALITY from those artists and many of the others mentioned than prince had .. thats not to diss prince .. i love his great stuff .. but bob marley had that many great tunes before catch a fire even came out .. and prince has some super duper bad crap .. jack u off .. the whole 'for u' record .. lovesexy is very weak as are many post lovesexy tracks .. his outtakes are great but you act like no one elso on earth has prince level of output and its just crap .. lots of musicians push out 40 songs PER RECORD and widdle it down to an 8 song record .. prince is great .. but there is a lot of crap to sift thru even in his best years .. so I think I responded to the point and I disagree Prince did not have the greatest decade at all. And .. I disagree that prince had "guts" after his peak .. he more than any other artist pushes the cookie cutter same old prince on repeat mode on us by the truck load .. I would LOVE for prince to actually try something new and I buy his records faithfully in hope but its been 20 years now ... | |
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have you actually checked out any of these artists to the extent that you checked out prince .. just cuz they dont have a linn drum machine and an echo box they are somehow not as good a sprince .. the police had 5 CLASSIC records and sting had a few moments certainly comparable to the crap prince produces these days .. prince worked with aNI and ani is rediculously prolific and her early years had numerous clasic songs like a good 40 great songs just like prince .. tom petty prince said he loves "free fallin" and he's really got a lot of great music .. again I don't think you actually listen beyond the hits on the radio just like most non prince fans dont know much about prince beyond about 5 of his hits .. the cure I would actually venture to say blow prince out of the water .. prince best moments are when he sounds like the cure .. the cure put out about 10 CLASSIC records in a row .. no jack u off .. no arms of orion .. no jughead .. no .. PURE GOLD .. ozzy with black sabbath totally broke barriers .. made OUTSTANDING music basically created heavy metal .. ozzy is to metal what prince is to WHITE FUNK .. yeah i said it .. ozzy had a pop career that doesnt interest me but its better than tangerine or greatest romance or that musicology garbage by a pop mile .. as in an old fucked up metal head writes better pop songs that ACTUALLY CHART better than prince has in a few decades ... anyway i am sure u get the point | |
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i like your post .. makes sense .. my post purpose was to open peoples minds to the fact that there are numerous other artists whom .. if you explored as obsessively you may get that Prince feeling from .. I dont get bored with most of the artists on that list .. i love prince but he is one of many in my book and deserves none of the special treatment he gets that has led him to be incredibly lazy as a music producer
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I agree there a huge bunch I didn't list .. bowie .. elton is great . not a big presley fan but he had his moments as did benny goodman and herb albert .. i dont really judge by prince sex appeal and pop charts .. we'd have to include new kids on the bloc and n sync and garth brooks and all sorts of pure rubbish if that were the criteria .. nirvana and the replacements both had rediculously outstanding songwriters .. as did numerous more underground musicians .. oh I forgot lou reed and velvet underground .. are u really gonna deny that kind of greatness ... those listed have songs easily on par with prince greatest work .. you likely have not explored that music enough to appreciate it the way you have obsessed over prince | |
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I'd say it's right up there.
Beatles have less than a decade as recording artists but probably take the title. Stones 64-73 is up there too, the Who 65-74, Neil Young in the 70s, Coltrane 57 to 66, Beach Boys 63 to 72, Stevie in the 70s, I think all of those probably stand just a little higher than Prince in my estimation, but he gives every one a good run for their money. | |
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i'm glad that they are some people on this site who are objective when it comes to prince's music. | |
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The Police are irrelevant and Sting is a fucking lightweight. He's tailor made for sipping Starbucks while contemplating signing up for a yoga class you'll never take.
The Cure is something everyone should outgrow by 18. If you wanted to put up an English band from the 80's, use the Smiths dimwit. Jesus Christ, why don't you just rename this list "Shit I like."
Prince said he likes Free Fallin'? Oh well, in that case clear away Parade and make room for a Full Moon Risin'. Even Tom Petty would nervously look the other way if you tried to tell him he was more relevant than Prince in his prime, and the guy strikes me as a pompous tit.
The only thing you might be right about is Ozzy Osbourne having a better pop career than whatever trite bullshit Prince has put out in the past 20 years.
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if we are talking about their solo carrears, their is no way MJ comes close. MJ has Off the wall, thriller, bad and dangerous. Dirty Mind, Controversy, 1999 and Purple Rain are just as good as those albums. Then Prince has sign of the times, love symbol and the gold experience which are better than History or invincible. Comeon man, it isnt even close.
Neither Marley or James Brown were as versatile as Prince was, they are great at what they did but they didnt have his overall range. mARLEY (RIP) passed away when he was 36, how in the world do you know that he would have continued to make great records into his 50's? You dont.
My point stands, his output between 1980-88 is coparable to anyone's and quite possibly the best. There is no way one can rank MJ, or Nirvana ahead of Prince. Neither can you possibly rank sting or the police ahead of him
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objective as in ranking artists ahead of him who have no business being ahead of hi? Yes sure. | |
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i never ranked anybody above anybody .. i just don't think prince is better ... i really don't think prince lyrics come even close to cohen, lou reed, dylan, marley, lennon or the cure .. i was thinking today .. where is that dirty mind sound .. everything prince does is so safe and clean and polished and boooooooorring .. like i said i don't really dig mj that much but between jackson 5 jacksons and solo you have to give him respect due .. prince is great and among the greats but BETTER? definately not | |
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sorry but listen to prince's lyrics in his prime. I asked this simply, compare mj solo to prince solo and really there is no comparison. There is nothing wrong with stating that prince is better than those guys and vice versa as long as you can give an objective reason for that.
My point stands, prince's output between 1980-88 can favourably compare to anyone else's. Yes an argument can be made for it being better than most. And just because prince has continued to make music after his peak has passed does not mean he should be criticised for it- its better than those artists who have stopped making music. | |
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I'll say this...
NO ONE who came after (or was going strong at the same time) comes even close.
From 80-88, including all the side projects, un-fucking-touchable and right up there with all the greats of yesteryear.
He is the last of the Mohicans.   She has robes and she has monkeys, lazy diamond studded flunkies.... | |
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Well, I suppose it is a matter of taste really. From the mid 90's I completly abandoned Prince and I was all into R&B and HipHopp. Latter I got into Ambient, Jazz and Alternative music. I was listening to hundreds of different artists. I am not idolizing him as a person, and I have my share of dissapointments with him. His religious views, and crappy albums. I dont even care about who he is now. Sadly to me, the music industry today is just wak. All the artist are doing silly stuff. So, perhaps out of bordom I fell back into listening to Prince again. (mostly the old stuff) To me he sums up a time in history that will never be duplicated. I have thousands of CD's by many artists, comeple discographies. But Prince's music will always mean more to me then all the rest. Just a little | |
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Maybe its his fearless sexuality that comes across in his lyrics, rytms and melodies. He just hits a spot that most artist cant. In his early recordings you can really see\feel how he opens his soul to the viewer\listener. I find it extreamly creative and artistic on any level. Being an artist my self I understand the weight of such talent. Sadly he is not the same anymore, althought still bold with expressing him self I find him and his views today uninteresting. But people grow old and change. I am just glad for what he shared when he was young and wild.. In my book he is equal to Leonardo Da Vinci, Isaac Newton, Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart, Charles Darwin, Pablo Picasso, Miles Davis, Carl Sagan, Jean-Michel Basquiat, Neil deGrasse Tyson and so on and so on. (Just to name of my other heroes...)
prince is only versatile when he has band members that can play certain types of music. please give me an example of prince playing the blues like bb king. show me a reggae album that prince recorded that blew away catch a fire by bob marley? show me a jazz fusion recorded that blew away any thing that miles davis ever did? micheal jackson has no problem calloborating with different song writers, producers, or singers. can you say the same for prince? | |
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Since he was a kid he was playing instruments and the whole production was by him. Unlike many other artist he is self made, not nurtured into being a popular product. Prince has always been true to him self and what he likes. Obviously Reggae is not his cup of tea. For sure he could have colloborated more with other artists. It doesnt take a genius to see that he is a self centerred, selfish being that probably doesnt give a damn about making groundbreaking music anymore. In todays shallow music industry there is no point to even try. Btw, I can name tons of recordings, live performances by Prince where he Jams the mother out of any musician, on guitar, piano even vocal. To his defence, name any other musican that can do all things he can? Ok, so Miles Davis is the God of Jazz, and Marley is the God of Reggae but Prince's music has so many layers. I am sure if he was only playing guitar in some Rock band all his life, and dedicated his entire focus to perfect that, he would be the best guitarist ever lived. | |
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And also, what you said is really silly, because Miles had a band or other instrumentalists to complete his sounds, same with Marley and same with every other musician in the world.... | |
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prince's versatility has nothing to do with his band members. Prince has an outstanding vocal range, so he can do hard rock and disco equally convincingly, is that because of his band members? Prince has written most of his best songs by himself. Prince is the one who plays guitar, drums, bass and piano all at a professional level and that adds to his versatility, is that because of his band members? Prince can play funk guitar and rock guitar well, is that because of his band members?
No prince couldnt do blues anywhere near as well as BB King. Neither are his efforts at regaee as good as Marley's. Or his jazz fusion stuff isnt as good as Miles Davis. On the other hand Marley did not make rock or funk music anywhere near as well as prince either
Prince's best genres are pop, rock/hard rock, funk, r&b, soul, disco, psychedellia and he is excellent at all of them. He is pretty good at blues, and ok at regaee. He is not a master of jazz, punk or gospel but he can add elements of these genres to his music and make it sound good. That is versatility and that has nothing to do with his band members. And he is more versatile than most musicians i've ever seen.
Prince is widely considered one of the best funk guitarist in the world, probably among the top 10 and atleast among the top 20. His band members arent playing that, he is. And his rock guitar work is really good too- many rock fans were amazed at his performance at the rock and roll hall of fame and his snl fury performance. Or are his band members responsible for his playing at those two events which blew many people away. | |
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ANY Zappa decade buries Prince, but hey - it's not a competition. | |
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So what is your EXCUSE? | |
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prince's versatility came from the band that was put together in 1978. dez dickerson brought a classic rock element to the band that prince was not familiar with. lisa and wendy brought a certain pop element that prince wanted to put in his music. mat fink brought a bluesy- jazz feel that struck a chord with prince that reminded him of his father's playing. mark brown and bobby z brought a funk rock feel that would add a nice twist to the whole thing. what is this vocal range that you are talking about? he has ruin a lot of classic cover songs with his vocal range. | |
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Jackson stan please.
It's always the band that is more important than Prince in your mind. Prince was the ringleader/producer/leader for a reason.
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And I'll say the period between 1979 and 1989 was one of the best decades for any artist to emerge and one of those to emerge was indeed Prince. So there. | |
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