Imaginative said:

hhhhdmt said:

Mccartney is a great songwriter but he is not a "virtuso" on many instruments. Do You know what a virtuso is? Let me show you

You're not helping your argument at all.

McCartney is ABSOLUTELY a virtuoso bassist by anyone's standard. In addition, he is also a virtuoso rock vocalist and songwriter. It would be fairly simple to make an argument that he is among the most emulated musicians of the 20th Century in all three of the above criteria, if not in the top position in at least two out of three of these.

In addition, he is an excellent guitarist, and a very fine drummer and piano player, albeit not virtuoso in these areas.

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havent read all this thread...my life aint long enough but just saw this...i am a HUGE beatles fan and i admire mccartney a great deal....but he doesnt compare to prince as a musician if that is what you are talking about here....and mccartney would be the first to say that as well...he is a big prince fan...

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now if we are talking songwriting here...then we have a battle..

David Bowie

Stevie Wonder

Elton John

Queen

Prince.

They'd be my favourites. All great runs.

Of course he's up there.

They all took a dive though.

hhhhdmt said:

TrevorAyer said:

hhhhmbdt .. i think your insane bully posts speak for themselves ..

no, you are the one who said i pulled my head out of my ass. I didnt use such language, your post is something that made me mad and i had every bit a right to act in that way.

um no dude u've been calling me stupid clueless this whole thread just cuz i have a different opinion than u .. too bad if u can't handle my response to your abusive mannerisms ..

and i have said repeatedly that prince is among the greats but not the greatest .. thats my opinion

prince can play many instruments well but so can others .. which many other people have pointed out to you as well .. but you call me stupid and apologize to them ... prince can pull out a technical fast run on guitar but i've never heard him play anything as beautiful as "black bird" by mccartney on guitar .. prince usually just wanks the same old blues solo .. i don't think fast runs make prince more of a virtuoso than others who play and write more inpiring subtle and intricate parts for guitar .. prince is mostly all flash and no substance on guitar .. prince is a virtuoso on vocals, songwriting (with and without help) and writes great bass lines .. they other instruments he is technically good on but does not play much that can compare to other virtuosos ..

vocally prince could make a run for the best .. but songwriting he is just AMONG the best but lyrically is what makes him fall short of others ... and guitar wise there are just way too many people that blow prince out of the water .. as well as on piano ..

i'm not saying prince sucks .. just that his skills are embellished by his bands influence and there fore his best work should be judged as a band not a prince solo record .. they are not even marketed as solo records .. so u cant say that prince is better than others just because he did it all himself because he did not do it all himself .. he didn't write it all himself nor did he play it all himself .. he had many collaborators .. he did some great stuff himself .. as did many other great artists who collaborate and do solo work writing and performing ..

but the bottom line is that i don't agree that prince is the absolute greatest .. marley, brown, mitchell, cohen, lennon, mccartney and numerous others edge out prince in my opinion and numerous others tie prince or come close .. prince is not this head and shoulders above EVERYONE artist .. just cuz i like prince does not mean i HAVE to think he is better than everyone else just to post here .. but apparantly if i don't agree with hhhhhbmt i'm not aloud to speak my opinion

TrevorAyer said:

hhhhdmt said:

no, you are the one who said i pulled my head out of my ass. I didnt use such language, your post is something that made me mad and i had every bit a right to act in that way.

um no dude u've been calling me stupid clueless this whole thread just cuz i have a different opinion than u .. too bad if u can't handle my response to your abusive mannerisms ..

and i have said repeatedly that prince is among the greats but not the greatest .. thats my opinion

prince can play many instruments well but so can others .. which many other people have pointed out to you as well .. but you call me stupid and apologize to them ... prince can pull out a technical fast run on guitar but i've never heard him play anything as beautiful as "black bird" by mccartney on guitar .. prince usually just wanks the same old blues solo .. i don't think fast runs make prince more of a virtuoso than others who play and write more inpiring subtle and intricate parts for guitar .. prince is mostly all flash and no substance on guitar .. prince is a virtuoso on vocals, songwriting (with and without help) and writes great bass lines .. they other instruments he is technically good on but does not play much that can compare to other virtuosos ..

vocally prince could make a run for the best .. but songwriting he is just AMONG the best but lyrically is what makes him fall short of others ... and guitar wise there are just way too many people that blow prince out of the water .. as well as on piano ..

i'm not saying prince sucks .. just that his skills are embellished by his bands influence and there fore his best work should be judged as a band not a prince solo record .. they are not even marketed as solo records .. so u cant say that prince is better than others just because he did it all himself because he did not do it all himself .. he didn't write it all himself nor did he play it all himself .. he had many collaborators .. he did some great stuff himself .. as did many other great artists who collaborate and do solo work writing and performing ..

but the bottom line is that i don't agree that prince is the absolute greatest .. marley, brown, mitchell, cohen, lennon, mccartney and numerous others edge out prince in my opinion and numerous others tie prince or come close .. prince is not this head and shoulders above EVERYONE artist .. just cuz i like prince does not mean i HAVE to think he is better than everyone else just to post here .. but apparantly if i don't agree with hhhhhbmt i'm not aloud to speak my opinion

prince is all flash and no substance on the guitar? You are clueless. Just like Prince is not as good a bassist as McCartney, McCartney is not as good a guitarist as prince. Prince is likely among the top 100 or so players in the world or atleast among the top 500 or so. Prince is a fantastic player. I am sorry if you dont like his playing on Colonized Mind, the ending solo of Let's Go Crazy, the funky rhythm guitar in Kiss, the solo's in Joy In Repitition and When Doves Cry.

Prince does not play the same "blues" solo. He plays instrumental solos, funky solos, rhythm guitar, lead guitar. He is a pretty versatile player and the funk/r&b stuff he plays is not easy. Neither is the rock one. His guitar work has alot of diversity to it. He can rock hard when he wants (bambi, let's go crazy, endorphinmachine), play wonderful solos in power ballads (purple rain, gold) and the others that i mentioned like Colonized Mind, WDC, Joy in repitition. Go listen to these solos and then come back and tell me that he is "all flash". If you think Prince hasnt played anything as good as "Blackbird", then you havent really being paying any attention.

No they should be judged as a prince record. How many times are you going to repeat this nonsense? Prince wrote most of the songs. You keep claiming about these "many" colloborations, PROVE IT. You were proven lying about the sott songwriting credits. Prince did it, not his band. Since he wrote most of the songs, its his genius and not his bands. Only the albums Purple rain until parade has the revolution name in them and even then most of the songs were his compositions, not his bands

Since you keep repeating this lie of prince "stealing" songwriting credits and failing to prove it, you have zero credibility. They are prince records and are judged so by nearly everyone. It doesnt matter what you "say", what matters are the facts. Giving stupid reasons for ranking artists ahead of prince doesnt change anything

And no one has pointed out anything about multi instrumentalist. You cannot even name 10 mi's that are on his level and have to engage in guesswork because you know you are wrong

When you can come back with ACTUAL EVIDENCE that his band co wrote most of his best work as you claim, then we will judge them as a band. Until then its Prince's genius. Anybody who thinks there are thousands of guitarists like Prince has no credibility anyway.

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I think you both has some valid points.

I couldn't care less about technical shredding. One of the reasons why I love Prince guitar playing is not because of the technical ability to play fast on different scales. It's his originality that he was showing more of in the 80s imo. But very now and then he shows us that he still is a master of the art of guitar playing, and not the athlete like some metal artists are showing. Dude can play both sublte and gentle ballads, spanish guitar, blues whatever. And his persona is really easy to hear in most of the instruments he play.

njin said:

I think you both has some valid points.

I couldn't care less about technical shredding. One of the reasons why I love Prince guitar playing is not because of the technical ability to play fast on different scales. It's his originality that he was showing more of in the 80s imo. But very now and then he shows us that he still is a master of the art of guitar playing, and not the athlete like some metal artists are showing. Dude can play both sublte and gentle ballads, spanish guitar, blues whatever. And his persona is really easy to hear in most of the instruments he play.

well i am no fanboy. I will be the first to admit that there are better players than him- Jimi Hendrix, SRV, Eddie Van Halen and so on

But i still feel that he deserves a place in the top 100 somewhere, and at the very least among the top 500. It isnt about shredding, its about soulful playing, versatility and rhythm playing. Trevors claim that there are "thousands" of players like him is comical.

And as far as overall musicianship is concerned, he is at an elite level in pop/rock music. Period. Most of these great guitarist can never match his overall musicianship because they mainly focused on one thing unlike P who is excellent on guitar, and very good on piano, bass and drums.

hhhhdmt said:

TrevorAyer said:

um no dude u've been calling me stupid clueless this whole thread just cuz i have a different opinion than u .. too bad if u can't handle my response to your abusive mannerisms ..

and i have said repeatedly that prince is among the greats but not the greatest .. thats my opinion

prince can play many instruments well but so can others .. which many other people have pointed out to you as well .. but you call me stupid and apologize to them ... prince can pull out a technical fast run on guitar but i've never heard him play anything as beautiful as "black bird" by mccartney on guitar .. prince usually just wanks the same old blues solo .. i don't think fast runs make prince more of a virtuoso than others who play and write more inpiring subtle and intricate parts for guitar .. prince is mostly all flash and no substance on guitar .. prince is a virtuoso on vocals, songwriting (with and without help) and writes great bass lines .. they other instruments he is technically good on but does not play much that can compare to other virtuosos ..

vocally prince could make a run for the best .. but songwriting he is just AMONG the best but lyrically is what makes him fall short of others ... and guitar wise there are just way too many people that blow prince out of the water .. as well as on piano ..

i'm not saying prince sucks .. just that his skills are embellished by his bands influence and there fore his best work should be judged as a band not a prince solo record .. they are not even marketed as solo records .. so u cant say that prince is better than others just because he did it all himself because he did not do it all himself .. he didn't write it all himself nor did he play it all himself .. he had many collaborators .. he did some great stuff himself .. as did many other great artists who collaborate and do solo work writing and performing ..

but the bottom line is that i don't agree that prince is the absolute greatest .. marley, brown, mitchell, cohen, lennon, mccartney and numerous others edge out prince in my opinion and numerous others tie prince or come close .. prince is not this head and shoulders above EVERYONE artist .. just cuz i like prince does not mean i HAVE to think he is better than everyone else just to post here .. but apparantly if i don't agree with hhhhhbmt i'm not aloud to speak my opinion

prince is all flash and no substance on the guitar? You are clueless. there u go again .. ur like the energizer bunny of abusers .. u just keep going and going and going .. its sad u can't handle that i have a different opinion than u Just like Prince is not as good a bassist as McCartney, McCartney is not as good a guitarist as prince. Prince is likely among the top 100 or so players in the world or atleast among the top 500 or so. Prince is a fantastic player. I am sorry if you dont like his playing on Colonized Mind, the ending solo of Let's Go Crazy, the funky rhythm guitar in Kiss, the solo's in Joy In Repitition and When Doves Cry. i don't think colonized mind is that great .. its ok .. but again .. i never said i didn't like the guitar on kiss, joy, doves, so again u put words in my mouth that i did not say .. you are lying .. again .. so that you can continue to excuse your abusive tyrade .. glad to see u finally admit that mccartney as any good compared to prince where as before u were calling me stupid because i said that .. until someone agreed with me .. then u apoligized to them but you still call me stupid because you are abusive .. i agree that prince is among the best .. i've said it many times .. i just don't agree that he is the absolute best .. which is what this thread is about .. right?? or am i stupid and clueless on that point as well .. or maybe I am just lying again???

Prince does not play the same "blues" solo. He plays instrumental solos, funky solos, rhythm guitar, lead guitar. He is a pretty versatile player and the funk/r&b stuff he plays is not easy. Neither is the rock one. His guitar work has alot of diversity to it. He can rock hard when he wants (bambi, let's go crazy, endorphinmachine), play wonderful solos in power ballads (purple rain, gold) and the others that i mentioned like Colonized Mind, WDC, Joy in repitition. Go listen to these solos and then come back and tell me that he is "all substance". If you think Prince hasnt played anything as good as "Blackbird", then you havent really being paying any attention. i find blackbird to be subtle intricate, and beautiful .. many guitarist play solos that u can hum in your head note for note .. prince rarely does this .. i love the solo on purple rain and kiss (not sure if its prince or wendy on kiss tho) and little red corvette also has a great one but that was all dez dickerson .. stuff like when doves cry .. even prince is quoted saying he could have put that solo at the beginning of any song .. its just a fast wank run .. fun cute but does not hit me like say a hendrix, page, beck, santana, dave gilmour, evh, george harrison, joey santiago solo .. and again prince does not do much that stands out in the finger picking category like say a black bird or dylan or cohen or ani difranco or chet atkins or mark knopler .. believe me i listen to A LOT of prince but i also listen to A LOT of other musicians too

No they should be judged as a prince record. How many times are you going to repeat this nonsense? Prince wrote most of the songs. You keep claiming about these "many" colloborations, PROVE IT. u have admited many collaborations not sure what more proof u need .. prince and the revolution are better than prince alone in my opinion .. we just have different opinions .. You were proven lying about the sott songwriting credits. no i wasn't .. i said i heard a story about wendy and lisa feeling sad because they had worked on a lot of those songs and their contributions were wiped off the final product .. i don't know the details, never claimed to, but u don't know what went down either. Prince did it, not his band. Since he wrote most of the songs, its his genius and not his bands. Only the albums Purple rain until parade has the revolution name in them and even then most of the songs were his compositions, not his bands we are talking best decade .. lets assume prince did SOTT completely on his own and that w+l did not help at all .. thats one double record .. not a decade .. and that record has some stuff that isn't really "better" than the beatles or dylan as far as songwriting goes .. it .. beautiful night .. hot thing .. good stuff but not exactly gonna be played at practically every wedding on the planet like a paul mccartney tune

Since you keep repeating this lie of prince "stealing" songwriting credits and failing to prove it, you have zero credibility. well when it comes to credits its hard to know the real truth but the notion that prince did NOT fail to credit properly is far more likely being as his own father accused him .. as did andre cymon .. another musician who helped prince get to the top .. i've only referred to them in making my arguement and i say "scandelous" is by far the best tune on batman and "do me baby" is the best song on controversy, altho i love the title track as well .. both songs have had the credits questioned in fact i think prince admitted his dad helped on scandelous when he excused it saying it was a printing error .. and if i remember right it did not fly well with prince dad and they were on the outs for a long time as a result .. They are prince records and are judged so by nearly everyone. It doesnt matter what you "say", what matters are the facts. Giving stupid and the abuser returns again reasons for ranking artists ahead of prince doesnt change anything

And no one has pointed out anything about multi instrumentalist. You cannot even name 10 mi's that are on his level and have to engage in guesswork because you know you are wrongwell the multi instrumentalist angle is very subjective .. u already admitted paul mccartney was better on bass than prince .. i like pauls piano playing better than prince, paul plays drums competently, guitar very well more beautiful than prince tho not as technically flashy .. stevie wonder can sing, play piano and drums better than prince .. billy joel plays great piano and pretty good guitar .. lennon plays beautifully on piano, ok on guitar, great vocals, lyrics better than prince .. songwriting better than prince .. niel young .. great on guitar pretty good on piano .. great songs great lyrics .. dylan .. rediculously awesome lyrics blows prince out of the water .. amazing songs .. better than prince .. most don't like his voice .. i do but prince is an amazing vocalist .. dylan better on acoustic picking than prince but not on flashy guitar solos .. joni mitchel BEAUTIFUL voice, BEAUTIFUL guitar and piano ... songwriting tops prince lyrics blow prince out of the water .. leaonard cohen .. some of the best lyrics of ALL TIME competent on piano and guitar and some of the best songwriting of ALL TIME .. bob marley .. amazing lyrics ... amazing singer .. songs better than prince .. competent on guitar, piano and i would bet he can handle drums pretty good too .. the man has rhythm .. JAMES BROWN .. all i can say is wow .. not sure what he can play but he was definately running that show .. at very least u gotta multi hand it too him for the songs .. the singing and the dancing .. .. so each person has their strengths some areas better than prince some not .. but for me it comes down to songwriting and prince is not the best in that category .. and prince skills do not trump songwriting in my opinion and other people are very capable on multi instruments but just not as flashy about it ... thers a few to get u started .. there are tons more

When you can come back with ACTUAL EVIDENCE that his band co wrote most of his best work as you claim, then we will judge them as a band. Until then its Prince's genius. Anybody who thinks there are thousands of guitarists like Prince has no credibility anyway. whatever doode .. i think u are very close minded and abusively biased toward whatever i say even tho my points have far more merit than yours ..

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Hmm... personally I don't think it's fair to compare Prince songs that mostly is interresting to music fans, to much more digesable and easy listening Beatles tunes that even your grandmother can listen to. Prince has always had many songs that just is not to be played everywhere. And Prince music is definitly not for everyone, as people almost throws up because of his persona and hard to get into music.

Trevor, you have claimed that most of his best songs were co written by his band and there were "numerous" instances where he did not credit them YOU HAVE FAILED TO PROVE THIS, therefore it does not matter that you keep repeating it. Its prince's genius, not his band. I dont care what you say or what you believe

I asked you to name me 10 mi's on prince's level and you failed to do so. Bob dylan, seriously? Better lyrics yes, but we are talking about overall musicianship and no way in hell does Joni or Bob Dylan or Lennon come close to prince. Only Stevie wonder and Paul Mccartney are the two names you have given that can match his overall musicianship.

George harrison is a better guitarist than prince? No offense but Prince could play circles around Harrison. Harrison needed Eric clapton to play "while my guitar gently weeps solo. Prince nailed that solo. You dont think Colonized Mind is that great? Well most of us here do. You did claim that there are "thousands" of players like him so you already lost your credibility.

Your points have no "merit". You claiming that there are thousands of players like prince is comical beyond belief. Plus claiming that most of his best songs were co written without any proof. Ofcourse you are biased and bitter that this isnt the 80's anymore. You cannot be taken seriously, especially after the "all flash no substance" comment. Anyone with any musical knowledge knows that prince is a fantastic rhythm player, a very good soloist, and a pretty versatile player. Just because he is not one of your favourite players doesnt mean he isnt great. Prince has a strong case for being one of the top 100 players in the world and no way in hell is he outside the top 500

You did say wendy and lisa's songwriting credits were "erased" and you were proven wrong on it. Next time you make such a claim, do some research.

My points have far more merit than your's ever will. Your constant lies, failing to prove the songwriting credits that you claim are stolen, failing to give names of the mi's on his level and engaging in guesswork, refusing to answer the question about other musicians in their 50's not matching their peak output, criticising prince for not matching his peak ouuput but not others etc shows how biased and bitter you really are. If you think Mccartney or Harrison are better players than prince, then i can't help you. Neither of them are as good guitarists are prince

Its amazing how many non fans respect his guitar skills and think of him as a great player but you dismiss him as a "boring session guitarist" and that there are "thousands of players" like him. Could you be more biased? You are in the minority here if you seriously believe that there are thousands of players like him And in the end it shows zero musical knowledge

well the beatles also wrote helter skelter and tomorrow never knows and the reason your grandmother loves them is because she was alive when it came out and prince writes digestable music as well .. from the outstanding raspberry baret to the cheesy guilty pleasure of the most beautiful girl and diamonds pearls and thieves .. paul had songs like why dont we do it in the road .. marley wrote about deep political strife and revolution coupled with romantic pop like wait in vain turn ur lights down low, three little birds

perfectly reasonable to compare

but even his most digestable tunes, weren't suitable for a wedding, except some of his love songs like adore maybe... his focus was not on authentic rock and accoustic songs... he has always done stuff not suitable for such. Few of the songs that actually is suitable in its arrangements and instrumentation are too weak. Prince best songs are mostly hidden behind 80s production. Not suitable for weddings, haha. But I agree that Beatles of course has alot of great music that also demanded more of the listener.

TrevorAyer said:

well the beatles also wrote helter skelter and tomorrow never knows and the reason your grandmother loves them is because she was alive when it came out and prince writes digestable music as well .. from the outstanding raspberry baret to the cheesy guilty pleasure of the most beautiful girl and diamonds pearls and thieves .. paul had songs like why dont we do it in the road .. marley wrote about deep political strife and revolution coupled with romantic pop like wait in vain turn ur lights down low, three little birds

perfectly reasonable to compare

and the beatles never had that sexual image, they didnt write songs of that nature. There are people who wont even give Prince a chance because of that image. Some people dismiss him simply because they think he is "gay" or overtly sexual or whatever. They didnt have a "darlin nikki" or a "head" in their catalogue, so they were "safe" for parents to allow their kids to listen to and older conservative people didnt get freaked out by them.

Theres milions of reasons for not liking prince...

-he's too white

-he's too black

-he's too punk

-he's too soft?

-he's too

-his sex image

-too gay

-too feminine

-he's a freak

-he's too 80s

-blending sex with religion

he's even now looked upon as a freak even by young "open" minded people. Beatles has no matter what been much more easily accepted. Therefore gaining alot more listeneres from all ages.

njin said:

Theres milions of reasons for not liking prince...

-he's too white

-he's too black

-he's too punk

-he's too soft?

-he's too

-his sex image

-too gay

-too feminine

-he's a freak

-he's too 80s

-blending sex with religion

he's even now looked upon as a freak even by young "open" minded people. Beatles has no matter what been much more easily accepted. Therefore gaining alot more listeneres from all ages.

.........he is 2 good (at his craft)

hhhhdmt said:

Trevor, you have claimed that most of his best songs were co written by his band and there were "numerous" instances where he did not credit them in my opinion his best music came from collaboration .. sometimes he credits others and sometimes he does not .. you as a fan fail to give proper credit to most of his collaborations because even when others are credited you still say its all prince YOU HAVE FAILED TO PROVE THIS, no you have failed to prove anything .. how about you prove something, like if a record is by prince and the revolution how that means its really just a prince record therefore it does not matter that you keep repeating it. Its prince's genius, not his band. I dont care what you say or what you believe obviously u do care

I asked you to name me 10 mi's on prince's level and you failed to do so. Bob dylan, seriously? Better lyrics yes, but we are talking about overall musicianship and no way in hell does Joni or Bob Dylan or Lennon come close to prince. wait so if prince plays guitar better but joni mitchell writes better songs and lyrics .. to you that means prince is a better over all artist?? i disagree Only Stevie wonder and Paul Mccartney are the two names you have given that can match his overall musicianship. well great you have just given merit to my point that prince is not neccessarily the best .. thanks for finally admitting that i am not totally clueless when i say there are other multiinstrumentalists that can competently compete with prince for titile of best decade by any artist in history

George harrison is a better guitarist than prince? um george harrison has more memorable guitar solos than prince .. george writed differently .. its not about flash its about melody .. u dont seem to respect that .. and by the way GEORGE HARRISON WROTE WHILE MY GUITAR GENTLY SLEEPS .. No offense but Prince could play circles around Harrison. Harrison needed Eric clapton to play "while my guitar gently weeps solo. george didn't NEED shit .. they were buds and george invited eric in mostly to break the tension of a band on the verge of splitting up Prince nailed that solo. prince did nail it .. its one of prince best solos .. one of the few really great ones hes done .. to bad it was on a george harrison song instead of one of his own eh? You dont think Colonized Mind is that great? no its just ok .. but i can have my own opinion cant i? Well most of us here do.prove it .. lots of people on here are not terribly impressed with prince recent output You did claim that there are "thousands" of players like him so you already lost your credibility. as a player not writer, yes there are thousands .. pretty much every metal band in the eighties had a flashy technical playing style and ability .. there are prog, thrash and jazz players everywhere that make prince best efforts sound simple .. there are numerous unsuccessful bands with highly skilled players everywhere all over the world .. writing is a whole different story but playing skill .. yup .. its not like there are only 100 guitarists in the world .. in fact if there is a best 100 guitarists of all time list you can bet there are thousands that are pretty technically skilled .. but whatever .. i guess since i said it it automatically doesnt make sense to you

Your points have no "merit". You claiming that there are thousands of players like prince is comical beyond belief. Plus claiming that most of his best songs were co written without any proof. it says it right on the record what more do you need? Ofcourse you are biased and bitter that this isnt the 80's anymore. You cannot be taken seriously, especially after the "all flash no substance" comment. Anyone with any musical knowledge knows that prince is a fantastic rhythm player,yes i agree very good rhythm guitarist much stronger than his soloing ability in terms of creativity and substance a very good soloist yes very good .. not the best of all time by a long shot, and a pretty versatile player yes versitile and so are many others. Just because he is not one of your favourite players doesnt mean he isnt great. he is one of my favorite writers and he is great Prince has a strong case for being one of the top 100 players in the world and no way in hell is he outside the top 500 well yes he is good .. not the best of all time tho

You did say wendy and lisa's songwriting credits were "erased" and you were proven wrong on it. Next time you make such a claim, do some research. no i referred to what w+l said and i believe there is merit in it .. you have done zero research and proved nothing other than that ur only willing to admit you are wrong if someone else makes the same point i do

My points have far more merit than your's ever will. Your constant lies, failing to prove the songwriting credits that you claim are stolen, failing to give names of the mi's on his level and engaging in guesswork, refusing to answer the question about other musicians in their 50's not matching their peak output, criticising prince for not matching his peak ouuput but not others etc shows how biased and bitter you really are. well that not what i did .. again u put word in my mouth i didnt say because you refuse to respond to what i actually do say .. why? If you think Mccartney or Harrison are better players than prince, then i can't help you. Neither of them are as good guitarists are prince better writers better at certain styles of playing .. prince better at technical flash .. mccartney better composing guitar and playing with subtle organic beauty .. george better at melodies and creative guitar playing

Its amazing how many non fans respect his guitar skills and think of him as a great player but you dismiss him as a "boring session guitarist" and that there are "thousands of players" like him. Could you be more biased? compared to greats like hendrix .. yeah prince sounds a bit stale .. compared to other pop musicians yup prince sounds like a fuckin genius on guitar .. we are comparing him to the best in this thread not freakin debbie gibson here You are in the minority here if you seriously believe that there are thousands of players like him on technical guitar playing yes .. songwriting in general no And in the end it shows zero musical knowledge are u claiming to have some sort of musical knowledge because you have not backed up much of anything that u have had to say and u have been schooled by numerous posters on this thread as to your musical ignorance .. posters other than me ..

hhhhdmt said:

TrevorAyer said:

well the beatles also wrote helter skelter and tomorrow never knows and the reason your grandmother loves them is because she was alive when it came out and prince writes digestable music as well .. from the outstanding raspberry baret to the cheesy guilty pleasure of the most beautiful girl and diamonds pearls and thieves .. paul had songs like why dont we do it in the road .. marley wrote about deep political strife and revolution coupled with romantic pop like wait in vain turn ur lights down low, three little birds

perfectly reasonable to compare

and the beatles never had that sexual image, they didnt write songs of that nature. There are people who wont even give Prince a chance because of that image. Some people dismiss him simply because they think he is "gay" or overtly sexual or whatever. They didnt have a "darlin nikki" or a "head" in their catalogue, so they were "safe" for parents to allow their kids to listen to and older conservative people didnt get freaked out by them.

what? the beatles had parents in revolt because their hair was too long back then .. people were burning beatles records because lennon compared beatles to jesus .. john lennon was even being tracked and attempted to be deported by the cia .. even prince will admit sex sells and thats why he got the kind of positive attention that he did get .. its also why people were burning metal records but at the same time selling lots .. controversy sells .. without it prince likely would not have been noticed as a break out artist ... there are not very many threads on this org that dont call for prince to sing his dirty songs again .. truly great music has that effect .. u either love it or hate it because it pushes ur comfort zone

trevor, you claimed that he has not credited his band on "numerous occasions". Princes best work has not come in collovborations, he wrote it himself, a record says "prince and the revolution", the songwriting credits mostly say "prince". Keep repeating this nonsense, most people do not believe you.

I never said he is the best guitarist ever, can you read? I said he is atleast among the top 500, and to claim there are thousands of players like him is laughable. Keep repeating such nonsense

Mccartney is not as good as guitarist as prince, something he would admit himself. Neither is Harrison. But since you insist on this, i cannot help you. You are obviously incredibly biased, and mccartney himself would be laughing at you

Nobody has schooled me, but you have been schooled on this thread time and time again. You simply cannot give prince his due and keep lying about him "stealing" "numerous" songs from his band members. The fact that you think mccartney and harrison are better players than prince says it all "CLUELESS". Go whine on a wendy and lisa fansite since they are the geniuses behind his work. Or a stevie wonder or a joni mitchell fansite since they can still match their peak output.

and who exactly has schooled me trevor?

Have i made up lies about songwriting credits? No ,thats you

Have i claimed that there are many multi instrumentalist on his level and then failed to prove them? No, thats you

Have i claimed there are "thousands" of guitarist like prince? No, thats you

Have i failed to proove the absurd claims about the "numerous" songwriting credits that were "stolen"? No, thats you

Have i claimed that the likes of Mccartney and Harrison (inferior guitarists compared to prince) are better than him? No, thats you

Have i claimed that anyone who can play guitar can play bass at a pro level? no thats you

Have i claimed that an average beatles or led zeppelin record has more diversity than prince's entire carrear and then failed to prove it? no thats you

Have i claimed that prince has "failed" to do most genres? No, thats you and the org would laugh at you for making such a comment. Prince is known for being able to do different genres extremely well, and most people here would agree

Have i compared prince's weaker songs to other artists best songs, thereby showing how biased i am? no thats you

Have i claimed that prince played many instruments out of insecurity and then being owned at that point? (you know when i owned you by showing at prince had no problem letting lisa and dr fink playing on dirty mind or andre playing on little red corvette). No, thats you

Have i claimed that prince did not write "timeless music" and then been owned at that point (you know, when i mentioned that even prince's b sides have been covered 20-30 years after they were orignally released, so much for not writing timeless music) ?. No, it was you who were owned at that point.

You are a bitter and whiny "fan" who is simply here to discredit prince because of your bitterness. From making lies about songwriting credits, the absurd claims of him not writing timeless music, the even more absurd claim of "many" multi instrumentalists on his level, you have been owned in this thread over and over again. NO ONE has owned me. You dont think his output is the best? Fine, it doesnt mean you start lying and try to discredit him.

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The fuck y'all still bringing up the Beatles to compare it to Prince?! They're different. Compare him to a solo artist at least. Yeesh lol

hhhhdmt said:

trevor, you claimed that he has not credited his band on "numerous occasions". Princes best work has not come in collovborations, he wrote it himself, a record says "prince and the revolution", the songwriting credits mostly say "prince". Keep repeating this nonsense, most people do not believe you.

I never said he is the best guitarist ever, can you read? I said he is atleast among the top 500, and to claim there are thousands of players like him is laughable. Keep repeating such nonsense

Mccartney is not as good as guitarist as prince, something he would admit himself. Neither is Harrison. But since you insist on this, i cannot help you. You are obviously incredibly biased, and mccartney himself would be laughing at you

Nobody has schooled me, but you have been schooled on this thread time and time again. You simply cannot give prince his due and keep lying about him "stealing" "numerous" songs from his band members. The fact that you think mccartney and harrison are better players than prince says it all "CLUELESS". Go whine on a wendy and lisa fansite since they are the geniuses behind his work. Or a stevie wonder or a joni mitchell fansite since they can still match their peak output.

no, i have said his BEST work is often a collaboration, sometimes uncredited .. i've given numerous examples .. if it was a prince solo effort then it would be a prince record just like all the other prince records but its not .. its prince and the revolution .. prince and the npg .. there was significant collaboration .. whether playing or writing it was not just prince solo all the time especially during his peak years/decade being discussed

good is subjective .. people love music for the beat .. the skill .. the writing .. the non offensiveness .. the boundary pushing .. the rawness .. the polish .. the emotion .. the range .. the creativity and the comercial accesability and so on .. a zen master would teach u guitar by telling you to practice playing only one single note for month .. when u have mastered that one single note then u can move on .. its not about how many notes u can cram in for some people and i highly doubt the you know what paul or george would say .. or what anyone else who reads this would believe

you have failed to prove these numerous so called uncredited songs. I dont care if its the revolution or the npg, most of the writing is his, therefore it is his genius. Most fans and critics see it this way too, end of story.

Anyway you can continue to try and discredit prince. Doesnt change anything, he is a musical genius, he is widely regarded as one of the greats and gets massive respect from critics and fellow musicians, he has influenced numerous musicans ranging from pop, rock, funk r&b artists and so on. Lying about songwriting credits will not change anything. Your whole guitar argument is so absurd that i am not going to bother commenting on it, its laughable beyond words. There are plenty of us here who are eagerly awating new music from him and enjoy his recent stuff too while some "fans" keep whining and are stuck in the 80's, too bad. Just because you dont "believe" something, doesnt mean its not true. Its his songwriting genius and will always be regarded as his work no matter what you say. End of story.

hhhhdmt said:

and who exactly has schooled me trevor? your views on bob marley and paul mccartney have been challenged by others as well as myself .. you backslid once others brought it up

Have i made up lies about songwriting credits? No ,thats you i didn't make anything up .. i simply brought up others who challenge prince and who he credits .. those were not lies ... you lie by misquoting me all the time

Have i claimed that there are many multi instrumentalist on his level and then failed to prove them? No, thats you no you have even admitted that there are others on prince level but i guess you forgot

Have i claimed there are "thousands" of guitarist like prince? No, thats you no i claimed that there are thousands who have his level of technical skill on guitar .. many whom are way better and i'm right

Have i failed to proove the absurd claims about the "numerous" songwriting credits that were "stolen"? No, thats you he has been accused of stealing but not by me and i have explained numerous times that all those involved in creating often do not get the full credit they deserve .. such as on kiss, scandelous and do me baby ..this happens often in rec industry ... examples are elvis, zeppelin .. even beatles lifted chuck berry lyrics without crediting .. fans give prince band ZERO credit which i feel is complete bullshit

Have i claimed that the likes of Mccartney and Harrison (inferior guitarists compared to prince) are better than him? No, thats you no i said paul was a better songwriter and better at subtle guitar stylings .. harrison writes better guitar melodies than prince .. prince is better at technical precision and flashy fast solo breaks .. but overall i feel the gold goes to mccartney moreso than prince .. prince shines on vocals more

Have i claimed that anyone who can play guitar can play bass at a pro level? no thats you no i claimed that if some one is a virtuoso guitar player .. its likely that they can play bass at a pro level .. its common sense and basically the same instrument ..

Have i claimed that an average beatles or led zeppelin record has more diversity than prince's entire carrear and then failed to prove it? no thats you opinions are subjective and therefore not provable .. but you certainly have proved nothing other than that u get really mad when ur wrong

Have i claimed that prince has "failed" to do most genres? No, thats you and the org would laugh at you for making such a comment. Prince is known for being able to do different genres extremely well, and most people here would agree sorry but he sucks at RAP he sucks at JAZZ he isn't all that great at ROCK .. he's good at other stuff but lets not exagerate his skills now .. oh yeah hes only ok at REGGAE and completely avoids FOLK

Have i compared prince's weaker songs to other artists best songs, thereby showing how biased i am? no thats you no i have pointed out weaker songs to say that while beatles and dylan and marley and others are extremely prolific .. there is more great material in all of it .. when prince is prolific there is a lot more filler or just good not amazing music .. he does do great music but not half as much as he does filler fluff sex sells music .. dylan writes hundreds of profoundly moving pieces .. prince writes hudreds of great songs but not that many that are profoundly moving

Have i claimed that prince played many instruments out of insecurity and then being owned at that point? (you know when i owned you by showing at prince had no problem letting lisa and dr fink playing on dirty mind or andre playing on little red corvette). No, thats you wrong again .. prince could have let his band play on the records more but chose to do so himself instead .. this was to prop up his one man band image .. lisa could have played all those parts very well if not better than prince and same with andre fink wendy dez bobby z .. its not like prince played anything terribly compicated on those solo recordings .. the drums were very simple the keys were very simple .. prince played well too .. just saying .. this whole band was supporting him live, making shit money, were very competent, were present and participating in songwriting .. yet prince chose not to let them on his record ..

Have i claimed that prince did not write "timeless music" and then been owned at that point (you know, when i mentioned that even prince's b sides have been covered 20-30 years after they were orignally released, so much for not writing timeless music) ?. No, it was you who were owned at that point. prince writes timeless music ... just not as timeless as others we are comparing him too .. this whole thread is u making up bullshit i didn't say .. grow up stop arguing like a child

You are a bitter and whiny "fan" who is simply here to discredit prince because of your bitterness. From making lies about songwriting credits, the absurd claims of him not writing timeless music, the even more absurd claim of "many" multi instrumentalists on his level, you have been owned in this thread over and over again. NO ONE has owned me. You dont think his output is the best? Fine, it doesnt mean you start lying and try to discredit him. no i haven't been owned by you or anyone .. my points are valid and supported by many on this thread while yours have undermined your own views for the most part .. seems like ur just gonna keep lying and misquoting me .. whatever doode .. ur doin a good job discrediting yourself without me involved .. just please grow up and stop misquoting me .. and you go prove something instead of avoiding it by making up bs to hurl ..

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Timmy84 said:

The fuck y'all still bringing up the Beatles to compare it to Prince?! They're different. Compare him to a solo artist at least. Yeesh lol

prince best work was not done as a solo artist ... or i should say .. his best decade .. it is not fair to discount individuals who work with bands to flesh out their genius when prince does the same thing .. prince exclusive solo work does not add up to the best decade of music by any artist ever .. his collaborative work included does reach great hights and does help propel prince to AMONG the greats in status but others that work in bands have done just as well and better in terms of prolific high quallity multi talented output .. prince is one of many and not better than all the others .. quit nit picking just cuz you dont wanna admit that there are many others who are as good and better than prince

hhhhdmt said:

you have failed to prove these numerous so called uncredited songs. I dont care if its the revolution or the npg, most of the writing is his, therefore it is his genius. Most fans and critics see it this way too, end of story.

Anyway you can continue to try and discredit prince. Doesnt change anything, he is a musical genius, he is widely regarded as one of the greats and gets massive respect from critics and fellow musicians, he has influenced numerous musicans ranging from pop, rock, funk r&b artists and so on. Lying about songwriting credits will not change anything. Your whole guitar argument is so absurd that i am not going to bother commenting on it, its laughable beyond words. There are plenty of us here who are eagerly awating new music from him and enjoy his recent stuff too while some "fans" keep whining and are stuck in the 80's, too bad. Just because you dont "believe" something, doesnt mean its not true. Its his songwriting genius and will always be regarded as his work no matter what you say. End of story.

you have failed to draft an honest response or make a logical arguement not based on your extreme and undiscipined anger .. ok so why care if its ringo on drums or paul mcartney .. its still his genius .. most people don't see things your way .. i'm just one of them .. why cant u deal with that like an adult .. are you a teenager? just curious ..

i'm not discrediting prince and of course he is a genius . why do u keep saying that .. i'm just pointing out the reality that prince and the revolution was a BAND not a solo act .. i mean what is discrediting about that IT SAYS IT RIGHT ON THE RECORDS .. prince and the revolution .. not just prince .. can u read .. thats what it says .. how am i discrediting anything .. i'm just reminding u of reality .. a band is a band .. prince solo is prince solo .. when prince is completely solo its not as good usually ,, sometimes but not usually .. when others help its better .. just like when the beatles back lennon .. its better .. hes still a genius .. prince is still a genius .. prince best work is collaborative ... nothing wrong with that .. but its true .. u know it .. so compare him fairly and stop saying that just cuz prince is good at other instruments and writes a lot of music that he is way better than everyone else cuz he is not and u wanted to get technical so i broke it down gave examples proved my point over and over while u just whine and make up bs cuz ur pissed that i dont agree to put prince in the number one spot .. so u go around saying i said prince isnt a genius and all this other rubbish ... whatever doode .. ur about the farthest thing spriritually from a prince fan as it gets .. prince is about peace love honesty thinking outside the box, compassion .. and YOU are about being abusive and harrassing and bullying people to see things your way..

if i say there are better artists than prince it does not mean i think prince sucks .. far from it

get it? probably not ..

TrevorAyer said:

hhhhdmt said:

you have failed to prove these numerous so called uncredited songs. I dont care if its the revolution or the npg, most of the writing is his, therefore it is his genius. Most fans and critics see it this way too, end of story.

Anyway you can continue to try and discredit prince. Doesnt change anything, he is a musical genius, he is widely regarded as one of the greats and gets massive respect from critics and fellow musicians, he has influenced numerous musicans ranging from pop, rock, funk r&b artists and so on. Lying about songwriting credits will not change anything. Your whole guitar argument is so absurd that i am not going to bother commenting on it, its laughable beyond words. There are plenty of us here who are eagerly awating new music from him and enjoy his recent stuff too while some "fans" keep whining and are stuck in the 80's, too bad. Just because you dont "believe" something, doesnt mean its not true. Its his songwriting genius and will always be regarded as his work no matter what you say. End of story.

you have failed to draft an honest response or make a logical arguement not based on your extreme and undiscipined anger .. ok so why care if its ringo on drums or paul mcartney .. its still his genius .. most people don't see things your way .. i'm just one of them .. why cant u deal with that like an adult .. are you a teenager? just curious ..

i'm not discrediting prince and of course he is a genius . why do u keep saying that .. i'm just pointing out the reality that prince and the revolution was a BAND not a solo act .. i mean what is discrediting about that IT SAYS IT RIGHT ON THE RECORDS .. prince and the revolution .. not just prince .. can u read .. thats what it says .. how am i discrediting anything .. i'm just reminding u of reality .. a band is a band .. prince solo is prince solo .. when prince is completely solo its not as good usually ,, sometimes but not usually .. when others help its better .. just like when the beatles back lennon .. its better .. hes still a genius .. prince is still a genius .. prince best work is collaborative ... nothing wrong with that .. but its true .. u know it .. so compare him fairly and stop saying that just cuz prince is good at other instruments and writes a lot of music that he is way better than everyone else cuz he is not and u wanted to get technical so i broke it down gave examples proved my point over and over while u just whine and make up bs cuz ur pissed that i dont agree to put prince in the number one spot .. so u go around saying i said prince isnt a genius and all this other rubbish ... whatever doode .. ur about the farthest thing spriritually from a prince fan as it gets .. prince is about peace love honesty thinking outside the box, compassion .. and YOU are about being abusive and harrassing and bullying people to see things your way..

if i say there are better artists than prince it does not mean i think prince sucks .. far from it

get it? probably not ..

oh shut up. Read the credits, most of the credits say prince wrote the song. Prince's best work is his, its not colloborative, its his solo work, and his work is judged as a solo act by nearly everyone. You have repeatedly lied about songwrititng credits and then failed to prove them

You are the whiny one here who cannot get over the fact that it isnt the 80's anymore. The revolution were a backup band, thats all, and that work is regarded as prince's genius because it is. If all he has made is crap according to you, why are you whining on this fansite?

Sorry but prince does have one of the best, if not the very best decade in pop/rock music history, and his work is judged as a solo act by nearly everyone, except by whiny bitter "fans" like you. The fact that you would lie about the songwriting credits is enough evidence of your bias.

Prince's best work is his and not colloborative and only an idiot would argue against it. He wrote it, therefore it is NOT colloborative. Unfortunately, a bitter, whiny and clueless poster like you will never understand.

TrevorAyer said:

Timmy84 said:

The fuck y'all still bringing up the Beatles to compare it to Prince?! They're different. Compare him to a solo artist at least. Yeesh lol

prince best work was not done as a solo artist ... or i should say .. his best decade .. it is not fair to discount individuals who work with bands to flesh out their genius when prince does the same thing .. prince exclusive solo work does not add up to the best decade of music by any artist ever .. his collaborative work included does reach great hights and does help propel prince to AMONG the greats in status but others that work in bands have done just as well and better in terms of prolific high quallity multi talented output .. prince is one of many and not better than all the others .. quit nit picking just cuz you dont wanna admit that there are many others who are as good and better than prince

Prince is judged as a solo act, not a band, its his genius and not his bands, and your list is a big joke. The fact that you think the likes of tom petty and MJ should rank ahead of prince says it all. No one is discounting the songs the revolution co wrote, its just that he wrote most of that work, therefore it is judged as prince. It is not "colloborative work", it is his work.

TrevorAyer said:

Timmy84 said:

The fuck y'all still bringing up the Beatles to compare it to Prince?! They're different. Compare him to a solo artist at least. Yeesh lol

prince best work was not done as a solo artist ... or i should say .. his best decade .. it is not fair to discount individuals who work with bands to flesh out their genius when prince does the same thing .. prince exclusive solo work does not add up to the best decade of music by any artist ever .. his collaborative work included does reach great hights and does help propel prince to AMONG the greats in status but others that work in bands have done just as well and better in terms of prolific high quallity multi talented output .. prince is one of many and not better than all the others .. quit nit picking just cuz you dont wanna admit that there are many others who are as good and better than prince

So not only is he not the best, he is in fact the worst? Please explain.

hhhhdmt said:

TrevorAyer said:

you have failed to draft an honest response or make a logical arguement not based on your extreme and undiscipined anger .. ok so why care if its ringo on drums or paul mcartney .. its still his genius .. most people don't see things your way .. i'm just one of them .. why cant u deal with that like an adult .. are you a teenager? just curious ..

i'm not discrediting prince and of course he is a genius . why do u keep saying that .. i'm just pointing out the reality that prince and the revolution was a BAND not a solo act .. i mean what is discrediting about that IT SAYS IT RIGHT ON THE RECORDS .. prince and the revolution .. not just prince .. can u read .. thats what it says .. how am i discrediting anything .. i'm just reminding u of reality .. a band is a band .. prince solo is prince solo .. when prince is completely solo its not as good usually ,, sometimes but not usually .. when others help its better .. just like when the beatles back lennon .. its better .. hes still a genius .. prince is still a genius .. prince best work is collaborative ... nothing wrong with that .. but its true .. u know it .. so compare him fairly and stop saying that just cuz prince is good at other instruments and writes a lot of music that he is way better than everyone else cuz he is not and u wanted to get technical so i broke it down gave examples proved my point over and over while u just whine and make up bs cuz ur pissed that i dont agree to put prince in the number one spot .. so u go around saying i said prince isnt a genius and all this other rubbish ... whatever doode .. ur about the farthest thing spriritually from a prince fan as it gets .. prince is about peace love honesty thinking outside the box, compassion .. and YOU are about being abusive and harrassing and bullying people to see things your way..

if i say there are better artists than prince it does not mean i think prince sucks .. far from it

get it? probably not ..

oh shut up. Read the credits, most of the credits say prince wrote the song. Prince's best work is his, its not colloborative, its his solo work, and his work is judged as a solo act by nearly everyone. You have repeatedly lied about songwrititng credits and then failed to prove them

You are the whiny one here who cannot get over the fact that it isnt the 80's anymore. The revolution were a backup band, thats all, and that work is regarded as prince's genius because it is. If all he has made is crap according to you, why are you whining on this fansite?

Sorry but prince does have one of the best, if not the very best decade in pop/rock music history, and his work is judged as a solo act by nearly everyone, except by whiny bitter "fans" like you. The fact that you would lie about the songwriting credits is enough evidence of your bias.

Prince's best work is his and not colloborative and only an idiot would argue against it. He wrote it, therefore it is NOT colloborative. Unfortunately, a bitter, whiny and clueless poster like you will never understand.

u should take ur own advice before u give urself an aneurysm .. just to be clear .. i heard a show today that was recent and outstanding .. he played power fantastic, u will be with me , lets get it on , colonized mind and another new one called 'when u come' .. for the most part it was outstanding ... much better than his main show .. i have no problem praising him when its appropriate .. u sound bitter dude .. chilax

hhhhdmt said:

TrevorAyer said:

prince best work was not done as a solo artist ... or i should say .. his best decade .. it is not fair to discount individuals who work with bands to flesh out their genius when prince does the same thing .. prince exclusive solo work does not add up to the best decade of music by any artist ever .. his collaborative work included does reach great hights and does help propel prince to AMONG the greats in status but others that work in bands have done just as well and better in terms of prolific high quallity multi talented output .. prince is one of many and not better than all the others .. quit nit picking just cuz you dont wanna admit that there are many others who are as good and better than prince

Prince is judged as a solo act, not a band, its his genius and not his bands, and your list is a big joke. The fact that you think the likes of tom petty and MJ should rank ahead of prince says it all. No one is discounting the songs the revolution co wrote, its just that he wrote most of that work, therefore it is judged as prince. It is not "colloborative work", it is his work.

i never placed anyone on a list above or below .. it was a list of credible artists to consider some i would rank better than prince .. some on his level .. some slightly below .. its just a list its not in any specific order .. simply to show there are other artists on prince level to consider for "greatest artist of the decade" mj is respectable as is tom petty ... so u misquoted me again

paulludvig said:

TrevorAyer said:

prince best work was not done as a solo artist ... or i should say .. his best decade .. it is not fair to discount individuals who work with bands to flesh out their genius when prince does the same thing .. prince exclusive solo work does not add up to the best decade of music by any artist ever .. his collaborative work included does reach great hights and does help propel prince to AMONG the greats in status but others that work in bands have done just as well and better in terms of prolific high quallity multi talented output .. prince is one of many and not better than all the others .. quit nit picking just cuz you dont wanna admit that there are many others who are as good and better than prince

So not only is he not the best, he is in fact the worst? Please explain.

i apologize for my lack of punctuation and agree that it is confusing .. no i dont think prince is the worst .. the thread is discussing if prince produced the "greatest decade by any artist in history"

my point is that prince as a solo artist did not produce the "best decade of music by any artist ever" as in he is not number one the absolute best of all time .. i substituted "ever" for "all time"

he is certainly AMONG the best of all time but i just don't think he is the absolute best of all time

his collaborative material inches him much closer to the number one spot, more so than his purely solo work does in my opinion