hhhhdmt said:

JEDINATION said:

Mr. Cap, what I meant by the "5 song" comment was just a observation on how P-Geeks tend to get "giddy" about the Purple Yoda and his place in music history.

its irrelevant. Alot of people today couldnt name you 5 led zepp songs or 5 songs from other older artists, doesnt mean those artists werent any good

And the Zep were known for their ALBUMS, not necessarily their SONGS unless you named two obvious ones (Whole Lotta Love and Stairway to Heaven).

I didn't do any research, just saying to claim that 78-88 was the greatest decade by ANY artist seems like a reach to me...

go ahead, keep throwing the purple bananas at me...

I don't know how anyone can even dispute Prince put out his greatest works during that period. So it's not THE greatest period but damn it if it ain't CLOSE to it!

Timmy84 said:

I don't know how anyone can even dispute Prince put out his greatest works during that period. So it's not THE greatest period but damn it if it ain't CLOSE to it!

oh it was HIS best decade ! hands down !

hhhhdmt said:

jackson35 said:

hhhhdmt I think the problem here is that you dont known a lot about the history of prince in terms of his musical ability. where are you getting your info from? his liner notes? bias bio from writer who dont know how to do proper research. did you known that wendy was the musical director of the band ? prince was not the one teaching the band their parts in how to play music that he recorded. It was wendy. after wendy it was sheila e. after her it was levi seacer jr. today it is morris haynes who is prince's musical director for the welcome to americia tour. prince does not known enough about music to be given these type of accolades.

the problem with you are that not only are you clueless, you are also making things up. Prince knows plenty about music, otherwise he wouldnt have written so many good songs and played different instruments. Unlike you, who agreed with trevors post that prince couldnt play complicated beats, and you were owned on that one. Prince doesnt need to teach his band to play music, they are hired musicians, they are supposed to have those skills.

first of all i'm a lot older then you so for you to call me clueless is disrespectful. there are people on this board who known prince's work a lot better then you. i have close to a hundred thousand bootlegs on prince that ranges from soundcheck to aftershows to actual concerts. compare to other artists that i have in my collection that ranges fron todd rundgren to stevie to sly stone , these people are fully capable of giving prince run for his money. you want a list of artist who play diffrent kind of music here we go= quincy jones has put out material that blows away prince's work.

jackson35 said:

hhhhdmt said:

the problem with you are that not only are you clueless, you are also making things up. Prince knows plenty about music, otherwise he wouldnt have written so many good songs and played different instruments. Unlike you, who agreed with trevors post that prince couldnt play complicated beats, and you were owned on that one. Prince doesnt need to teach his band to play music, they are hired musicians, they are supposed to have those skills.

first of all i'm a lot older then you so for you to call me clueless is disrespectful. there are people on this board who known prince's work a lot better then you. i have close to a hundred thousand bootlegs on prince that ranges from soundcheck to aftershows to actual concerts. compare to other artists that i have in my collection that ranges fron todd rundgren to stevie to sly stone , these people are fully capable of giving prince run for his money. you want a list of artist who play diffrent kind of music here we go= quincy jones has put out material that blows away prince's work.

yes there are artists that can give him a run for his money- ther are artists that are on the same level as him. And i dont care if i am being "disrespectful" because you are making things up. Anyone who believes bobby brown was making better music than prince is clueless about music.

Quincy doesnt blow prince away, he is more of a producer who has worked with great artists, obviously he is very talented, but if you are comparing musical abilities (and not producint abilities), prince is better.

Uhh, if Prince's genuis is due to the efforts of his collaborators, then where is the great work of his collaborators for themselves? And unless they retired after working with Prince, where is their prodding of other artists to greatness? Smokey Robinson wrote and produced other artists to greatness. So did Stevie Wonder and Curtis Mayfield and Lionel Richie. All started off collaborating with others, mostly in groups, and then made great music for themselves and produced other artists.

Where is the great work of the other members of The Revolution? And anyone who thinks the greatness and creativity of Prince stopped with his disassociation with Warner Bros, simply just has an antipathy towards Prince. Beautiful Strange is post WB. So is When Eye Lay My Hands On U. Those songs sound like NOTHING he's done before.

Arguments can be made for at LEAST 4 post WB albums being great - Emancipation, Rave, Musicology, and LotusFlower. Crimson and Clover is one great rock cover, and that LotusFlower cd was greatly underappreciated. The facts of Prince's career simply crush the arguments of those who desire that his greatness is lessened in the eyes of general fans.

Real musicians, trained musicians, celebrated artists acknowledge that Prince is in the discussion of the VERY greats. By most accounts Prince is one of the ten greatest artists of all time. Of those 10, their ranking is determined only by the critics preference. Objective analysis puts him in the top 10, subjective analyis says he's the greatest!

Timmy84 said:

1993 said:

According to the most recent VH1 100 greatest artists of all time Prince is #7 and Elvis #8

10 Stevie Wonder
09 James Brown
08 Elvis Presley
07 Prince
06 Jimi Hendrix
05 Bob Dylan
04 Rolling Stones
03 Led Zeppelin
02 Michael Jackson
01 The Beatles

- Voting was conducted by Shugoll Research. The list was determined by a poll of musicians and music experts. Over 200 artists voted including Alicia Keys, Diddy, Ozzy Osbourne and Carrie Underwood, as well as members of U2, the Police, Metallica and Aerosmith.

for you to consider Madonna at the same level as Prince? Are you joking? And Garth Brooks/Monkees? Now that's just funny

Oh Lord.

The Monkees were absolutely HUGE and for a longer period than Prince was Huge. Prince had Purple Rain and then he really sank pretty quick. And do you really think Prince is bigger than Garth Brooks? REALLY? OOOOOKKKKKKAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYY. Garth Brooks has sold 128 millions albums. Prince has sold 80 million. BIG difference and Garth doesnt have as many releases either. You can check out the list here. The sales tell the truth

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_music_artists

dandeeland said:

Timmy84 said:

Oh Lord.

The Monkees were absolutely HUGE and for a longer period than Prince was Huge. Prince had Purple Rain and then he really sank pretty quick. And do you really think Prince is bigger than Garth Brooks? REALLY? OOOOOKKKKKKAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYY. Garth Brooks has sold 128 millions albums. Prince has sold 80 million. BIG difference and Garth doesnt have as many releases either. You can check out the list here. The sales tell the truth

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_music_artists

sales really dont mean very much, no offense. Prince was coming up with creative and versatile records that was too challenging for the record buying public who favour predictability. Sign of the times, for example, was voted as the best album of 1987 by music critics in the pazz and jop poll. That is not sinking at all.

dandeeland said:

The Monkees were absolutely HUGE and for a longer period than Prince was Huge. Prince had Purple Rain and then he really sank pretty quick. And do you really think Prince is bigger than Garth Brooks? REALLY? OOOOOKKKKKKAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYY. Garth Brooks has sold 128 millions albums. Prince has sold 80 million. BIG difference and Garth doesnt have as many releases either. You can check out the list here. The sales tell the truth

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_music_artists

Albums sold determine the quality of an artist? If so, that means The Backstreet Boys are better than Billy Joel. That means Britney Spears makes better music than Phil Collins. And The Spice Girls are superior to Bob Dylan.

Please end this ridiculous argument.

[Edited 5/24/11 22:38pm]

hhhhdmt said:

jackson35 said:

first of all i'm a lot older then you so for you to call me clueless is disrespectful. there are people on this board who known prince's work a lot better then you. i have close to a hundred thousand bootlegs on prince that ranges from soundcheck to aftershows to actual concerts. compare to other artists that i have in my collection that ranges fron todd rundgren to stevie to sly stone , these people are fully capable of giving prince run for his money. you want a list of artist who play diffrent kind of music here we go= quincy jones has put out material that blows away prince's work.

yes there are artists that can give him a run for his money- ther are artists that are on the same level as him. And i dont care if i am being "disrespectful" because you are making things up. Anyone who believes bobby brown was making better music than prince is clueless about music.

Quincy doesnt blow prince away, he is more of a producer who has worked with great artists, obviously he is very talented, but if you are comparing musical abilities (and not producint abilities), prince is better.

quincy jones is an artist and a producer.please learn how to read a liner note. quincy jones plays more than one instrument. you do not known enough about prince to make these arguments. please read some articles on his bandmates. please study other people music before you compare them to prince.

jackson35 said:

hhhhdmt said:

yes there are artists that can give him a run for his money- ther are artists that are on the same level as him. And i dont care if i am being "disrespectful" because you are making things up. Anyone who believes bobby brown was making better music than prince is clueless about music.

Quincy doesnt blow prince away, he is more of a producer who has worked with great artists, obviously he is very talented, but if you are comparing musical abilities (and not producint abilities), prince is better.

quincy jones is an artist and a producer.please learn how to read a liner note. quincy jones plays more than one instrument. you do not known enough about prince to make these arguments. please read some articles on his bandmates. please study other people music before you compare them to prince.

please do your research before trying to school me. Please stop making nonsense up like wendy playing the solo on when doves cry ( a balant lie) and prince's father writing "most" of the music on parade and purple rain (another balant lie). I know prince's band members and their contributions perfectly fine and even they would laugh at your posts. i know plenty about prince's music, more than you ever will, and i dont make up things either.

When did i say quincy is not an artist or that he doesnt play more than one instrument? All i was saying was that as a musician/artist, prince is more talented.

[Edited 5/24/11 22:57pm]

mrInsatiable said:

Uhh, if Prince's genuis is due to the efforts of his collaborators, then where is the great work of his collaborators for themselves? And unless they retired after working with Prince, where is their prodding of other artists to greatness? Smokey Robinson wrote and produced other artists to greatness. So did Stevie Wonder and Curtis Mayfield and Lionel Richie. All started off collaborating with others, mostly in groups, and then made great music for themselves and produced other artists.

Where is the great work of the other members of The Revolution? And anyone who thinks the greatness and creativity of Prince stopped with his disassociation with Warner Bros, simply just has an antipathy towards Prince. Beautiful Strange is post WB. So is When Eye Lay My Hands On U. Those songs sound like NOTHING he's done before.

Arguments can be made for at LEAST 4 post WB albums being great - Emancipation, Rave, Musicology, and LotusFlower. Crimson and Clover is one great rock cover, and that LotusFlower cd was greatly underappreciated. The facts of Prince's career simply crush the arguments of those who desire that his greatness is lessened in the eyes of general fans.

Real musicians, trained musicians, celebrated artists acknowledge that Prince is in the discussion of the VERY greats. By most accounts Prince is one of the ten greatest artists of all time. Of those 10, their ranking is determined only by the critics preference. Objective analysis puts him in the top 10, subjective analyis says he's the greatest!

but the word is Collaboration. What will explode with these people over here if they go try to do the same with others outside of the group most likely won't do anything.

It's almost like why people still go crazy when Sheila & Prince are on stage. Shelby or the Twinz will never have that 20 years later

[Edited 5/25/11 10:44am]

hhhmmpbttt?

a few people off the top of my head

eddie van halen .. classically trained and very competent on piano, started on drums and destroys prince on guitar by a thousand miles

paul mccartney .. plays and records all instruments competently as prince and often at extreme virtuoso level .. also wrote songs that are among the best music of all time

trent reznor .. classically trained on piano .. plays and records all instruments himself

dave groll .. plays all the instruments on many of his recordings .. virtuoso drummer

stevie wonder .. plays keys and drums way better than prince, not sure what his guitar skills are but do u really doubt that he can play competently

there are several i would take a safe guess can play many instruments competently

leanoard cohen

dylan

marley

hendrix

lennon

sly stone

neil young

joni mitchel

ani difranco

this is allegedly a thread about who has the BEST decade, not if or if not prince is any good at all

prince is good but not the best

wendy and lisa both still make music that gives me the old prince feeling, prince does not!

eric leeds always sounds great .. considering how bad prince horns can be, I doubt prince wrote out horn lines for eric

sorry but emancipation, rave, musicology, rainbow children .. I am happy if u think thats good music but I find it all to be pure crap .. it pisses me off everytime i even try to listen to that crap because it is so bad and unlistenable .. sure everybody likes mediocre safe boring pop music for a while so enjoy it .. theres a ton of crap out there .. but prince and the revolution WERE great .. and were partially responsible for prince greatest music ..

you cannot elevate prince status in history just because he played all the instruments himself .. it is not uncommon to have that ability and he is not very impressive as an instrumentalist .. prince found more success everytime he allowed band members to contribute even if only as a backing vocal or guitar solo ... the more they contributed the better the music became on record .. and no I don't believe for a second prince wrote all those songs all by himself .. bullshit .. the band was great .. he could have should have recorded with them more .. but its sad when he setttles for a lesser product just to maintain his ego ..

prince and the revolution, properly credited .. were a band that was responsible for prince greatest output and should be compared as such .. not elevated because prince didn't want to pay his band to be on the records .. no extra points for going it alone .. hell even claire fisher made his music better .. u gonna tell me prince wrote those notes out for him too???

dylan, marley, beatles, james brown etc ... all covered way more ground than prince and wrote better songs too .. prince wishes he was half as good as these cats and came close with the help of his ex friends

OldFriends4Sale said:

mrInsatiable said:

Uhh, if Prince's genuis is due to the efforts of his collaborators, then where is the great work of his collaborators for themselves? And unless they retired after working with Prince, where is their prodding of other artists to greatness? Smokey Robinson wrote and produced other artists to greatness. So did Stevie Wonder and Curtis Mayfield and Lionel Richie. All started off collaborating with others, mostly in groups, and then made great music for themselves and produced other artists.

Where is the great work of the other members of The Revolution? And anyone who thinks the greatness and creativity of Prince stopped with his disassociation with Warner Bros, simply just has an antipathy towards Prince. Beautiful Strange is post WB. So is When Eye Lay My Hands On U. Those songs sound like NOTHING he's done before.

Arguments can be made for at LEAST 4 post WB albums being great - Emancipation, Rave, Musicology, and LotusFlower. Crimson and Clover is one great rock cover, and that LotusFlower cd was greatly underappreciated. The facts of Prince's career simply crush the arguments of those who desire that his greatness is lessened in the eyes of general fans.

Real musicians, trained musicians, celebrated artists acknowledge that Prince is in the discussion of the VERY greats. By most accounts Prince is one of the ten greatest artists of all time. Of those 10, their ranking is determined only by the critics preference. Objective analysis puts him in the top 10, subjective analyis says he's the greatest!

but the word is Collaboration. What will expode with these people over here if they go try to do the same with others outside of the group most likely won't do anything.

It's almost like why people still go crazy when Sheila & Prince are on stage. Shelby or the Twinz will never have that 20 years later

The key word is B.S.

TrevorAyer said:

hhhmmpbttt?

a few people off the top of my head

eddie van halen .. classically trained and very competent on piano, started on drums and destroys prince on guitar by a thousand miles

paul mccartney .. plays and records all instruments competently as prince and often at extreme virtuoso level .. also wrote songs that are among the best music of all time

trent reznor .. classically trained on piano .. plays and records all instruments himself

dave groll .. plays all the instruments on many of his recordings .. virtuoso drummer

stevie wonder .. plays keys and drums way better than prince, not sure what his guitar skills are but do u really doubt that he can play competently

there are several i would take a safe guess can play many instruments competently

leanoard cohen

dylan

marley

hendrix

lennon

sly stone

neil young

joni mitchel

ani difranco

this is allegedly a thread about who has the BEST decade, not if or if not prince is any good at all

prince is good but not the best

wendy and lisa both still make music that gives me the old prince feeling, prince does not!

eric leeds always sounds great .. considering how bad prince horns can be, I doubt prince wrote out horn lines for eric

sorry but emancipation, rave, musicology, rainbow children .. I am happy if u think thats good music but I find it all to be pure crap .. it pisses me off everytime i even try to listen to that crap because it is so bad and unlistenable .. sure everybody likes mediocre safe boring pop music for a while so enjoy it .. theres a ton of crap out there .. but prince and the revolution WERE great .. and were partially responsible for prince greatest music ..

you cannot elevate prince status in history just because he played all the instruments himself .. it is not uncommon to have that ability and he is not very impressive as an instrumentalist .. prince found more success everytime he allowed band members to contribute even if only as a backing vocal or guitar solo ... the more they contributed the better the music became on record .. and no I don't believe for a second prince wrote all those songs all by himself .. bullshit .. the band was great .. he could have should have recorded with them more .. but its sad when he setttles for a lesser product just to maintain his ego ..

prince and the revolution, properly credited .. were a band that was responsible for prince greatest output and should be compared as such .. not elevated because prince didn't want to pay his band to be on the records .. no extra points for going it alone .. hell even claire fisher made his music better .. u gonna tell me prince wrote those notes out for him too???

dylan, marley, beatles, james brown etc ... all covered way more ground than prince and wrote better songs too .. prince wishes he was half as good as these cats and came close with the help of his ex friends

sorry prince wrote most of the songs himself, its bullshit to claim the revolution did it. Show me where the revolution were not properly credited, you dont have even the slighest proff for this other than making things up.

Eddie van halen is a much better guitarist than prince but he does not beat prince on the piano, bass and drums

Paul mccartney is not a virtuso on anything, although he is really good and can certainly compare to prince as a MI.

Half as good as these guys? what a friggin joke. Prince's so called friends (for the last time) DID NOT write most of his material, something that they would admit themself

Beatles were a versatile group, i will give you that. But they did not do more genres than prince. They didnt do disco, funk, and dance, all of which prince has done.

James Brown was an r&b, funk and soul guy, marley was a regaee guy, neither covered as much ground as prince did

You can keep making stuff up about revolution not being "properly" credited, it doesnt change the simple fact that it is prince who is the genius behind his work, and not his band members who receive way way too much credit on this forum. They did not write most of his material and you have ZERO evidence to back up your claim. Then again this is coming from someone who thinks of prince as a "boring session guitarist" which is beyond comical.

You are taking a safe guess? You made the claim, so now you have to prove it that these guys can play many instruments as competently as prince can.

the band was not "great". they were competent musicians who co wrote some good stuff that they were credited for, except power fantastic. You wont see anyone calling his band members geniuses, you wont see any of his band members writing hits for others because they could not do so. Prince wrote some of the biggest hits in the carrears of chaka khan, sinead o connor, sheena easton, the bangles etc. None of his band members did this because they could not.

It doesnt matter what you "believe", facts are facts and he himself has written all those songs. Prince is not impressive as an instrumentalist, really? He is one of the elite multi instrumentalist in pop/rock music today. This claim and the other claim of prince being a "boring session player" shows zero musical knowledge.

You dont have to listen to his so called "crap". I dont see you complaining about stevie wonder who hasnt done a thing in years, or paul mccartney who isnt anywhere near as good as he used to be, or nearly every artist on the list you posted who arent anywhere near as good as they were in their primes. Why only whine about prince?

hhhhdmt said:

sorry prince wrote most of the songs himself, its bullshit to claim the revolution did it. Show me where the revolution were not properly credited, you dont have even the slighest proff for this other than making things up. The revolution ARE credited tho not properly which is why it gets disputed at times.

Eddie van halen is a much better guitarist than prince but he does not beat prince on the piano, bass and drums Eddie is very good on Keys .. Probably better than Prince because prince Piano is very simple and not classically influenced at all.

Paul mccartney is not a virtuso on anything, although he is really good and can certainly compare to prince as a MI. What?!?!?!? Paul on bass is pretty amazing .. and Piano he sounds beautiful .. what has prince EVER done on piano that is all that good .. How come u don't call me has nice piano but its pretty simple. Prince jams a little but nothing impressive really.

Half as good as these guys? what a friggin joke. Prince's so called friends (for the last time) DID NOT write most of his material, something that they would admit themself Prince is an ok songwriter whose basic ideas when he does not ruin them and lets his friends have input, come out good. Lines about Purple Bananas and Makin Love Till Cherry is Gone do not compare to Leonard Cohen or Bob Dylan at all. Sometimes he gets some cool poetry going like on When Doves Cry or Raspberry Beret but come on really .. lyrically Prince took the biggest dive after the Revolution was over .. how can you discard the idea that PRince bounced IDEAs off of bandmates, friends, lovers and probably took a few tips. There is enough credit given officially to paint that picture and enough dispute to question when credit wasn't given.

Beatles were a versatile group, i will give you that. But they did not do more genres than prince. They didnt do disco, funk, and dance, all of which prince has done. Did Prince do disco???? I never heard a Prince disco tune .. The rolling stones did disco .. Prince covered Miss U by the Rolling Stones .. is that the Disco song u are talkin bout? Prince is kinda funky, but not James Brown funky .. the only thing Prince did was took James Brown and added New Wave to the formula. Very little groundbreaking when the Revolution was not around and it was really Just Prince copying Hendrix and Sly Stone and competing with MJ. I would argue there is more ground covered on the average Zep or BEatles record than Prince entire career. Are we supposed to believe Prince is a virtuoso rapper and Jazz player just because he put some watered down genres on his record. What you fail to mention is that PRINCE FAILS when he trys to cover many genres. He is not good at it. You can't give him credit when he sucks at it. Prince is good at New Wave Robot Pop. He's not good at other stuff. Not even Christian lite Jazz .. he's horrible at it. AND EVERY PRINCE RECORD SOUNDS THE SAME.. how can you say he covers genres when EVERY RECORD SOUNDS THE SAME?!?!?!

James Brown was an r&b, funk and soul guy, marley was a regaee guy, neither covered as much ground as prince did I don't know how to respond to this .. have u listened to either James Brown or Marley??? Prince can't touch what they did in both funk and reggae, not even close. How can u say prince "covered ground" when he tried and failed to be as good as these guys. Both Brown and Marley have more great pop songs than prince could ever have in his purple dreams. AND they basically DEFINED those genres. Prince recorded more robot drum beats than anyone else .. I'll give u that .. but pressing play on a drum machine does not impress me that much.

You can keep making stuff up about revolution not being "properly" credited, it doesnt change the simple fact that it is prince who is the genius behind his work, and not his band members who receive way way too much credit on this forum. They did not write most of his material and you have ZERO evidence to back up your claim. Then again this is coming from someone who thinks of prince as a "boring session guitarist" which is beyond comical. Prince does play like a boring session guitarist. He is competent but that is it. There are Thousands if not millions who can play on Prince guitar level .. as a guitarist he does not have the "it" factor. As a singer and songwriter and maybe on bass (if he didn't steal all his ideas from Andre and Brown Mark) he DOES have the 'it" factor .. but not on guitar .. SANTANA, HENDRIX, PAGE, BECK, HARRISON, SANTIAGO, VAN HALEN those are some big ass boots to fill .. prince knows it .. u should too. Prince does not play at that level.

You are taking a safe guess? You made the claim, so now you have to prove it that these guys can play many instruments as competently as prince can. Well a guess is a guess but I will call them all and have them talk to u personally!!! not.

the band was not "great". they were competent musicians who co wrote some good stuff that they were credited for, except power fantastic. You wont see anyone calling his band members geniuses, you wont see any of his band members writing hits for others because they could not do so. Prince wrote some of the biggest hits in the carrears of chaka khan, sinead o connor, sheena easton, the bangles etc. None of his band members did this because they could not. Prince had the power, he was the star and gave his band mates little to zero credit. How is someone supposed to make a name after that. Even so they do still make music, they just don't have the name Prince. Prince is not that GREAT he became great with the help of the people he was surrounded by, but would not have achieved that level without them and his post WB work blows so bad u would not even give a shit about prince if thats all he ever released and the WB years didn't exist. Anyway what does it matter .. Prince is not the best .. he's just one of the best.

It doesnt matter what you "believe", facts are facts and he himself has written all those songs. Prince is not impressive as an instrumentalist, really? He is one of the elite multi instrumentalist in pop/rock music today. This claim and the other claim of prince being a "boring session player" shows zero musical knowledge. What facts??? Even Prince will tell you that media is an illusion with lies and scams and that record companies treat people like slaves and con people out of ownership of their own music. Didn't Elvis get credit for ripping off tons of songwriters and even Zep got sued by Willie Dixon for not giving credit. I'd say u err on the side of all that PRince rebels against. Ur not makin sense for someone who holds prince in such high regard.

You dont have to listen to his so called "crap". I dont see you complaining about stevie wonder who hasnt done a thing in years, or paul mccartney who isnt anywhere near as good as he used to be, or nearly every artist on the list you posted who arent anywhere near as good as they were in their primes. Why only whine about prince? Discussion about who had the best decade I thought??? Yup Paul isn't so great as a solo act tho he had his moments just like prince, but nothing compares to the work he did when he COLLABORATED WITH HIS BAND just like PRINCE DID WITH THE REVOLUTION AND MANY OTHERS AROUND HIM. Paul puts out drivel that he plays all the instruments on just like Prince does. So why don't you make a fair comparison instead of acting like Prince is sooo special and better than everyone just cuz he plays a few instruments ok. I do listen to ALL of prince work, just like I listen to many artists who made music as good as prince.

Graycap23 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

but the word is Collaboration. What will expode with these people over here if they go try to do the same with others outside of the group most likely won't do anything.

It's almost like why people still go crazy when Sheila & Prince are on stage. Shelby or the Twinz will never have that 20 years later

The key word is B.S.

don't understand you post response

i simply cannot respond to such nonense anymore. Prince is a GREAT guitarist, good enough to be among the top 100 or atleast among the top 500. He does not play like a session guitarist for god sakes, you are beyond clueless. There are not thousands of guitarists like him, there are thousands who wish they could play like him

Prince is not an ok songwriter, he is an excellent songwriter. his friends did not help him be the great artist he is, he would be the great artist without his so called friends who receive way way more credit than they deserve. Why id is prince that wrote big hits for others, why not his band mates?

You made a claim about those multi instrumentalist, please PROVE IT. You are refusing to do so because you know you are wrong.

He is that great and he would be that great without the so called geniuses he was surrounded by. You have given zero evidence for the absurd claim that most of his best songs were co written by others (they were not) and you keep repeating the claim simply out of your bitterness towards his recent output.

I dont think i've ever read so much nonsense. Thousands of guitarists like him? a session guitarist? what a joke, he can certainly compare to any of the guitarist you listed although admittedly there are some better players than him. Its funny how eric clapton, steve vai and other great guitarist have called him a great player, yet you simply dismiss him as a boring session player.

Like i said, clueless. Clueless beyond words.

And no prince is not a classical jazz player or anything. However he does several genres well. He does pop, rock/hardrock, funk, soul and r&b, psychedellia extremely well. And he did disco well too with "i wanna be your lover". He does do several genres extremely well, however no one (including prince) is a master of all genres. he does not fail to do these genres, he does them well.

An average beatles or zep record covers more ground than prince's whole catalogue can? Prove it, ofcourse this is yet another absurd statement

All prince records sound the same? So 3121 sounds the same as Lotus3flower? love symbol sounds the same as the gold experience? Lovesexy sounds the same as the black album? Purple rain sounds the same as atwiad? Comical, just comical

I have no patience to argue with you anymore. None whatsoever. You are a troll of the highest order who obviously has zero musical knowledge. Keep trolling, prince will always be regarded as a great musician by critics and fans, while the so called geniuses in his band will fade away. They would themselves be laughing at your posts.

I wonder if The Revolution members were that great (they were all good), how come they didn't do anything REAL significant after leaving Prince? And I don't think a simple "Prince won't let 'em" statement would be accurate.

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Timmy84 said:

I wonder if The Revolution members were that great (they were all good), how come they didn't do anything REAL significant after leaving Prince? And I don't think a simple "Prince won't let 'em" statement would be accurate.

Because everyone has a place, If you look at many of their statements about being in the band many said from Bobby Z in 1977 to Wendy in 1985 This is my place... I don't want to be out front.

But if you look at W&L they are very successful with a lot of the work they do weither it's sessions work or movie/tv scores...

Even though Sheila E was very visible during her Glam LIfe-Sheila E years, she really stood out when she played/plays drums behind someone.

Prince said something similar to Jesse Johnson (not knowing his real intentions) he told Jesse in so many words, he was not meant to be a frontman, but Morris was.

It's similar with many other singers and musicians, some people with spectacular voice, just can't seem to make it big or be the huge 'frontman' success they hope for. Because everyone is not meant to be in that spot. Some people totally shine singing/playing/dancing back up.

OldFriends4Sale said:

Timmy84 said:

I wonder if The Revolution members were that great (they were all good), how come they didn't do anything REAL significant after leaving Prince? And I don't think a simple "Prince won't let 'em" statement would be accurate.

Because everyone has a place, If you look at many of their statements about being in the band many said from Bobby Z in 1977 to Wendy in 1985 This is my place... I don't want to be out front.

But if you look at W&L they are very successful with a lot of the work they do weither it's sessions work or movie/tv scores...

Even though Sheila E was very visible during her Glam LIfe-Sheila E years, she really stood out when she played/plays drums behind someone.

Prince said something similar to Jesse Johnson (not knowing his real intentions) he told Jesse in so many words, he was not meant to be a frontman, but Morris was.

It's similar with many other singers and musicians, some people with spectacular voice, just can't seem to make it big or be the huge 'frontman' success they hope for. Because everyone is not meant to be in that spot. Some people totally shine singing/playing/dancing back up.

Yeah but I was just wondering hypothetically, the way some hype them you think their role would be much bigger than what some claim. Prince was always the king of the castle anyway.

Timmy84 said:

I wonder if The Revolution members were that great (they were all good), how come they didn't do anything REAL significant after leaving Prince? And I don't think a simple "Prince won't let 'em" statement would be accurate.

another example: Cat, when she danced with/for Prince she just stood out. There was something unique about her. But when she went to do her own Catwoman thing, she just went no where.

No doubt, as bad as GB was, if Sheila E Jill Jones Cat, the Lovesexy band was in the movie their place with Prince would have made a better difference in the movie

But that is just how life is, everyone wasn't meant to be the CEO or the division head. Some people just shine when they work for the CEO or division head. And there is nothing wrong with that.

OldFriends4Sale said:

Timmy84 said:

I wonder if The Revolution members were that great (they were all good), how come they didn't do anything REAL significant after leaving Prince? And I don't think a simple "Prince won't let 'em" statement would be accurate.

another example: Cat, when she danced with/for Prince she just stood out. There was something unique about her. But when she went to do her own Catwoman thing, she just went no where.

No doubt, as bad as GB was, if Sheila E Jill Jones Cat, the Lovesexy band was in the movie their place with Prince would have made a better difference in the movie

But that is just how life is, everyone wasn't meant to be the CEO or the division head. Some people just shine when they work for the CEO or division head. And there is nothing wrong with that.

Well that's true. Besides I mean all of them are talented. I just don't get how some people just want to make their impact on Prince bigger than what it is. Prince molded all of their sounds and style while some others (like Cat and W&L) stood out in their own way (so did Morris and Jimmy & Terry). They all came from the house of Prince and Flyte Tyme though so that's a great thing too.

Timmy84 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Because everyone has a place, If you look at many of their statements about being in the band many said from Bobby Z in 1977 to Wendy in 1985 This is my place... I don't want to be out front.

But if you look at W&L they are very successful with a lot of the work they do weither it's sessions work or movie/tv scores...

Even though Sheila E was very visible during her Glam LIfe-Sheila E years, she really stood out when she played/plays drums behind someone.

Prince said something similar to Jesse Johnson (not knowing his real intentions) he told Jesse in so many words, he was not meant to be a frontman, but Morris was.

It's similar with many other singers and musicians, some people with spectacular voice, just can't seem to make it big or be the huge 'frontman' success they hope for. Because everyone is not meant to be in that spot. Some people totally shine singing/playing/dancing back up.

Yeah but I was just wondering hypothetically, the way some hype them you think their role would be much bigger than what some claim. Prince was always the king of the castle anyway.

Right, so this isn't as much about them as people misunderstand roles.

The Revolution member shined when they made Prince shine. Prince said some similar things about the members ... such as Wendy, he said something about her just made him look good in (not physically) in peoples eyes.

I think they had the time in with Prince and his vision that the could have helped him take his Paisley Park to the next level. They were a very diverse and skilled group of people. There is no question that the musical vision/output of the Parade/Dream Factory years had to do with the connection they had. No one person including Prince is a bottomless well of information. We all gleem from others and pull out of others what's in them.

Some people are really good in musical technical things, others are really good vocally, others really good in song writing etc

People talk about Sheila having a career before Prince. Yes she did, but not as Sheila E. She would never be as good a frontman as Prince, but she shined as his protege, never really after that. Yet many people in the camp did say at times she acted as if she should have been treated as good as him at times.

hhhhdmt said:

Graycap23 said:

What about them?

hhhhdmt said:

i simply cannot respond to such nonense anymore. Sure you can just look at ya go go go! Prince is a GREAT guitarist, good enough to be among the top 100 or atleast among the top 500. He does not play like a session guitarist for god sakes, you are beyond clueless. There are not thousands of guitarists like him, there are thousands who wish they could play like him ok then why have other guitarists onstage when he was in his prime .. if ur gonna claim he is the best of any artist in history and back it up by saying its cuz he can play all the instruments it better be because he is great on those instruments because tons of people can just play them fine. compare prince to any song by hendrix and listen to what a great guitar player sounds like .. prince has those moments rarely .. page, hendrix, santana etc .. had those moments non stop.

Prince is not an ok songwriter, he is an excellent songwriter. his friends did not help him be the great artist he is, he would be the great artist without his so called friends who receive way way more credit than they deserve. Why id is prince that wrote big hits for others, why not his band mates? Prince has his moments for sure, mostly with the help of others, sometimes on his own. Prince can write cheesy pop, what made prince music brilliant was the influence that took it beyond cheesy pop. which is now gone and all that is left is cheesy pop.

You made a claim about those multi instrumentalist, please PROVE IT. You are refusing to do so because you know you are wrong. ok well can we agree that anybody that can play guitar can probably play bass too? so then there is piano .. i've seen dylan play piano and guitar on stage .. joni plays piano and guitar .. i've seen niel young play piano and guitar .. its not that hard .. just look on u tube there is your proof blah blah .. can't u pick something more valid to argue

He is that great and he would be that great without the so called geniuses he was surrounded by. You have given zero evidence for the absurd claim that most of his best songs were co written by others (they were not) and you keep repeating the claim simply out of your bitterness towards his recent output. no bitterness .. callin it like it is

I dont think i've ever read so much nonsense. Thousands of guitarists like him? a session guitarist? what a joke, he can certainly compare to any of the guitarist you listed although admittedly there are some better players than him. Its funny how eric clapton, steve vai and other great guitarist have called him a great player, yet you simply dismiss him as a boring session player. i'm not so sure clapton called him a great" player" but he did say he that purple rain was his favorite song .. and that was recorded by ahem ... drum roll please .. prince AND THE REVOLUTION .. i dont think u get that guitarists even really good ones are a dime a dozen these days .. prince simply does not do much that is truly exciting on guitar .. his drum machine is far more exciting to be honest .. his genius is in his simplicity but is often displayed more in his bass and keyboard and drum programming .. technically he is right up there but there is not much spark .. yes a few rare occasions but not by the truck loads like the truly great guitarists out there.

Like i said, clueless. Clueless beyond words. eye disagree no need for name calling now

And no prince is not a classical jazz player or anything. thats for sure have u heard kamasutra omg ... However he does several genres well. He does did pop, yes rock/hardrock,meh funk sometimes, soul and r&b, psychedellia extremely well. And he did disco well too with "i wanna be your lover".what? He does do several genres extremely well, however no one (including prince) is a master of all genres. he does not fail to do these genres, he does them well. every artist dabbles in numerous genres but you can't claim to be the best of all time if you fail at most of them and don't top the ones ur best at

An average beatles or zep record covers more ground than prince's whole catalogue can? Prove it, ofcourse this is yet another absurd statement i can only suggest you listen to their music and draw your own conclusions .. as i did

All prince records sound the same? So 3121 sounds the same as Lotus3flower? love symbol sounds the same as the gold experience? Lovesexy sounds the same as the black album? Purple rain sounds the same as atwiad? Comical, just comical um yes .. ever since WB ended its been cookie cutter on repeat, very minimal production changes, far from anything natural sounding, all tin can simple and mediocre songs about the same ole same ole .. all the psychadelic and crazy cool jamming is gone as is the poetry and decent unembarassing lyrics and it all sounds lifeless .. to pristine no spark no taking a chance .. things changed a lot more back when people were influencing him

I have no patience to argue with you anymore. None whatsoever. really ur sure seem like ur STILL arguing to me You are a troll of the highest order who obviously has zero musical knowledge keep dreamin yo!. Keep trolling, prince will always be regarded as a great musician by critics and fans, while the so called geniuses in his band will fade away. They would themselves be laughing at your posts. PRINCE IS A GREAT GENIUS one of MANY!

Timmy84 said:

I wonder if The Revolution members were that great (they were all good), how come they didn't do anything REAL significant after leaving Prince? And I don't think a simple "Prince won't let 'em" statement would be accurate.

[Edited 5/25/11 11:35am]

same reason that prince didn't do anything significant .. they all did their best work when they were together .. prince just got to ride it out longer cuz he was the most famousest

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TrevorAyer said:

bob dylan

bob marley

james brown

miles davis

stevie wonder

frank black / pixies

sonic youth

the cure

perry farrell / janes addiction

ani difranco

beatles

led zeppelin

jimi hendrix

nirvana

black sabbath / ozzy

michael jackson

joni mitchell

ian mackaye /fugazi / minor threat

johnny cash

willie nelson

george clinton / parliament / funkadelic

paul westerberg / replacements

david byrne / talking heads

frank zappa

rolling stones

sting / police

tom petty

leonard cohen

prince is an outstanding artist and had an excellent 5-6 year run like many of the above mentioned artists .. what separates prince from the rest is only the mass of mediocrity he released after his prime .. most other artists had the good judgement to slow down and try to maintain some quality over quantity .. prince became known for being prolific and lost sight of the point. I would not place prince above anyone listed above by any means. He simply hasn't earned that title.

what are you talking about? Most of the people you listed didn't have a peak anywhere near as high as Prince and just because you don't hear about their music doesn't mean they aren't still releasing material (aside from the ones who stopped releasing stuff because they died).

The one band I did think of who had a higher peak decade was the Beatles. They were only a band for 8 years, during that time they released 17 albums in the US, 15 of which hit #1. Over 40 years later they still sell millions of records a year.