paulludvig said:

TrevorAyer said:

prince best work was not done as a solo artist ... or i should say .. his best decade .. it is not fair to discount individuals who work with bands to flesh out their genius when prince does the same thing .. prince exclusive solo work does not add up to the best decade of music by any artist ever .. his collaborative work included does reach great hights and does help propel prince to AMONG the greats in status but others that work in bands have done just as well and better in terms of prolific high quallity multi talented output .. prince is one of many and not better than all the others .. quit nit picking just cuz you dont wanna admit that there are many others who are as good and better than prince

So not only is he not the best, he is in fact the worst? Please explain.

I've realised that there is no point in arguing with someone who is not only incredibly biased but also a balant liar and clueless about music in general. He can continue to repeat the lies of the so called "colloborations" while most critics and fans know that it was prince who has written most of his best songs by himself and that he is the real genius behind his work. I have never read so much nonense as i have in this thread, oh well, trolls will be trolls

Can't even admit he hates Prince lmao

The fact is that none of Prince past or present band member ever has made any hits or classics on their own like Prince did. Andre Cymone had some successful production, and Wendy & Lisa has had some minor success, but not nearly on same level as they managed to pull with Prince. So whatever they were able to get through to him, he was the one being the genuis of gluing, merging, remixing and rearranging it all together perfectly, therefore he was the genuis behind the music in the band. The members from his would be smart enough to say so too. A couple of forgotten writing credits for music that was worked on in band practice is of course possible to happen when working with a musical sponge like Prince. Even Dez Dickersons guitar solo on Little Red Corvette is chopped up a couple of others solos, then rearranged by Prince to sound like one genuis guitar solo. A great musician is not just playing one instrument great, but seing it as a whole, and to do amazing compositions. Prince is imo the best at composing "advanced minimalistic" music.

But seriously, Trevor has some valid points, and is not saying anything bad about Prince eccept having an opinion that people on here don't like. His technical ability on instruments etc has not been tested, but we can assume. His creative abilities is also bery subjective. Going back to the best decade, this is still highly subjective, and none of us can actually prove which one is the best. But of course because more people listen to the likes of Marley and Mccartney etc... they've probably had more impact on modern music history. Personally, that just shows us that people are ignorant to how good Prince is.

For You (wanted to be a Classic)

Has a few great compositions, but is overall trying too hard to prove something that he wasn't able to pull until later

Prince (great album)

Managed to make a more balanced and consistant album, but sounds very much like alot back then. A funk, disco rnb sound that would die around these times. A great sound lp that's personally is a minor classic.

Dirty Mind (Classic)

One of his best, and defining what he was about to do the next ten years when it comes to his persona. This is the prototype Prince we were to witness in the future, except the bass voice that was to be introduced later.

Controversy (minor Classic)

Probably made more impact than the brotheralbum Dirty Mind, but is refered to by many as a great brother album that also bridged the gap between Dirty Mind and 1999 introducing a more confidant man, erasing the most vulnurable part he played in Dirty Mind. Lacks a bit of the consistansy of the prior and coming 1999.

1999 (classic)

This album is defining the 80s sound wise, and sound is still fresh imo, using the 80s sound in a creative way, rather than an industry must have like so many else.


Purple Rain (need I say more, Classic!)

ATWIAD (minor, Classic)
This album is one of my favourites, I even prefer it above 1999 personally. But it was alot more of a throwback album, and didn't have the industry impact, nor was it its intention. It's just some good old classic Prince that would make it easier to get into Parade.

Parade (CLassic)
Never heard anything quite like it, even though it got alot of it's inspiration from different music.

SOTT (Classic)

Black Album (funky shit)

Lovesexy (a great album that had classics in it)

Batman (...)

Graffiti Bridge (a great album that had classics in it)

I cant stand the wack industry sound of it personally though. I rarely listen to this. It doesnt even sound like he was the one producing it. Sounds like FLyte Tyme Production. I personally hate their sounds. That is an over produced 80s sound that most people hates.

Mostly hits, a few misses. THere's a bunch of suggested musicians that probably has more consistant quality, but as a whole is alot more boring to me personally. James Brown is a legend, but he sure was very one dimensional compared to prince. And believe me, I love James Brown. I respect his legacy. And he created funk more or less.

njin said:

The fact is that none of Prince past or present band member ever has made any hits or classics on their own like Prince did. Andre Cymone had some successful production, and Wendy & Lisa has had some minor success, but not nearly on same level as they managed to pull with Prince. So whatever they were able to get through to him, he was the one being the genuis of gluing, merging, remixing and rearranging it all together perfectly, therefore he was the genuis behind the music in the band. The members from his would be smart enough to say so too. A couple of forgotten writing credits for music that was worked on in band practice is of course possible to happen when working with a musical sponge like Prince. Even Dez Dickersons guitar solo on Little Red Corvette is chopped up a couple of others solos, then rearranged by Prince to sound like one genuis guitar solo. A great musician is not just playing one instrument great, but seing it as a whole, and to do amazing compositions. Prince is imo the best at composing "advanced minimalistic" music.

But seriously, Trevor has some valid points, and is not saying anything bad about Prince eccept having an opinion that people on here don't like. His technical ability on instruments etc has not been tested, but we can assume. His creative abilities is also bery subjective. Going back to the best decade, this is still highly subjective, and none of us can actually prove which one is the best. But of course because more people listen to the likes of Marley and Mccartney etc... they've probably had more impact on modern music history. Personally, that just shows us that people are ignorant to how good Prince is.

with all due respect, i disagree. Saying that Prince is an "all flash no substance" guitarist and that he plays the sAme "blues solo" over and over again is bad. Anyone who has music knowledge knows that P is a pretty versatile player and he doesnt play the same solo over and over again. The rhythm guitar in kiss is different from the solo in WDC, or the solo at the end of Joy in repitition and so on. To dismiss his guitar skills as just a "boring session guitarist" is something that only a hater would say. Plus his claim that P played instruments out of insecurity and he was proven wrong on it. And so on. Obviously he has told plenty of lies on this thread

Anyway i agree- music is far too subjective to prove the best decade. Best to enjoy whatever music you like. And there is no point in whining about an artist if you think all he has done is "crap" over 20 years. Its best to move on to other artists. Thank god, we have sensible people like you in this forum.

hhhhdmt said:

njin said:

The fact is that none of Prince past or present band member ever has made any hits or classics on their own like Prince did. Andre Cymone had some successful production, and Wendy & Lisa has had some minor success, but not nearly on same level as they managed to pull with Prince. So whatever they were able to get through to him, he was the one being the genuis of gluing, merging, remixing and rearranging it all together perfectly, therefore he was the genuis behind the music in the band. The members from his would be smart enough to say so too. A couple of forgotten writing credits for music that was worked on in band practice is of course possible to happen when working with a musical sponge like Prince. Even Dez Dickersons guitar solo on Little Red Corvette is chopped up a couple of others solos, then rearranged by Prince to sound like one genuis guitar solo. A great musician is not just playing one instrument great, but seing it as a whole, and to do amazing compositions. Prince is imo the best at composing "advanced minimalistic" music.

But seriously, Trevor has some valid points, and is not saying anything bad about Prince eccept having an opinion that people on here don't like. His technical ability on instruments etc has not been tested, but we can assume. His creative abilities is also bery subjective. Going back to the best decade, this is still highly subjective, and none of us can actually prove which one is the best. But of course because more people listen to the likes of Marley and Mccartney etc... they've probably had more impact on modern music history. Personally, that just shows us that people are ignorant to how good Prince is.

with all due respect, i disagree. Saying that Prince is an "all flash no substance" guitarist and that he plays the sAme "blues solo" over and over again is bad. Anyone who has music knowledge knows that P is a pretty versatile player and he doesnt play the same solo over and over again. The rhythm guitar in kiss is different from the solo in WDC, or the solo at the end of Joy in repitition and so on. To dismiss his guitar skills as just a "boring session guitarist" is something that only a hater would say. Plus his claim that P played instruments out of insecurity and he was proven wrong on it. And so on. Obviously he has told plenty of lies on this thread

Anyway i agree- music is far too subjective to prove the best decade. Best to enjoy whatever music you like. And there is no point in whining about an artist if you think all he has done is "crap" over 20 years. Its best to move on to other artists. Thank god, we have sensible people like you in this forum.

and whatever u do .. DO NOT agree with me in anyway shape or form as it is strictly NOT ALLOWED by the org master "hhhhhdmt"

ps .. apparently i pissed all over his purple dream .. somehow it is easier for him to bully everyone that doesn't agree with his tunnel vision views than it is for him to listen to a stevie wonder catalog or a beatles catalog or a dylan catalog and entertain the notion that there are other very prolific multitalented and "consistantly" genius musicians and artists out there other than prince, some who are far better at lyrics and songwriting and perform at a higher level of virtuoso than prince

if u consider stevie wonder, the beatles, bob dylan, joni mitchell, bob marley, james brown, hendrix, miles davis, leonard cohen or any other respectable musician to be better than prince, hhhhdmt will call u a stupid clueless liar .. and definately don't suggest that any of his band members had any talent or contributed to the beauty and majesty of some of prince best work because apparantly the album credits are lies and the band name on the cover a fraud .. none of those people exist because prince did absolutely everything himself

and pps .. fyi you are now owned by hhhhdmt .. resistance is futile u shall be assimilated ... bzzt glorp

and ppps ... just in case u still dont agree 100% with hhhhdmt, he would like you to just SHUT UP cuz he is right and u are wrong .. now he is going to go listen to his favorite prince song "i hate u" one of prince best solo songs that noone else played on at all ... and he is going to tell himself that these song lyrics, which are about raping an ex lover in a courtroom, are genius and make dylan, marley, mitchell and leonard cohen lyrics seem stupid and mundane .. and prince plays guitar on the song too . so yeah prince is just that good .. if u look in prince toilet there are golden logs floating there .. the golden logs are pure genius because prince played a guitar solo while he was taking a dump ... oh and they smell like roses too .. did i mention that?

whatever dude. Keep trolling, lying and whining. You have made too many absurd posts to be taken seriously. Most people here would find your posts laughable too, and no matter what you will say, most people here wont take you seriously. Have a good day

hhhhdmt said:

whatever dude. Keep trolling, lying and whining. You have made too many absurd posts to be taken seriously. Most people here would find your posts laughable too, and no matter what you will say, most people here wont take you seriously. Have a good day

thanks i will .. and how about u stop harrassing me and try responding to the thread topic instead

hhhhdmt said:

Prince is judged as a solo act, not a band, its his genius and not his bands, and your list is a big joke. The fact that you think the likes of tom petty and MJ should rank ahead of prince says it all. No one is discounting the songs the revolution co wrote, its just that he wrote most of that work, therefore it is judged as prince. It is not "colloborative work", it is his work.

- Agree. Ok, Wendy and Lisa had strong personality, but it was Prince THE genius behind everything. He did great albums and songs before and after the Revolution. And NPG was a big band where Prince was the bandleader and creative mind.

the albums that prince made before wendy join the band was not as succesful as 1999 and purple rain.

Major78 said:

From 1978-88 I feel that Prince has the greatest output of any artist in any 10 year period in music history. I want anyone to challenge this claim, put anyone up against him. Albums, Singles, B-sides, Outtakes, Bootlegs, Side projects, Movies, Performances, Tours, Lyrics, Musicianship, Cultural Influence, Sales, Producing other artists, whatever you can come up with. There is no one anywhere in music history that comes close to Prince. Agree or disagree and why?

DAVID BOWIE 70-80 (and many people would expand that to 69-83, but not me, lol). Also, I don't consider "For You" and "Prince" to be classics, at all...so, it's 80-88, really, or even 80-92 if we can forgive "Batman" and GB (the movie)...

Of course, Prince murders Bowie in the musicianship department...but that's not fair...Bowie is not a "one man band" but he used to get the BEST out of the musicians/producers he worked with ... Bowie is, by far, a BETTER band leader than Prince...

TrevorAyer said:

Timmy84 said:

The fuck y'all still bringing up the Beatles to compare it to Prince?! They're different. Compare him to a solo artist at least. Yeesh lol

*a bunch of over the top hyperbole was here*

Thank you Timmy. Prince was, is and always will be a solo artist regardless of him incorporating the ideas of certain band members here and there in a given time period. I'm happy to give Dez and Dre and the rest of them their due but P is the one who had the vision which brought all of those diverse elements together in such a phenomenal way. Besides, I DON'T buy into the popular notion that his post 80s output is substandard.

Now as to the OP's claim of the greatest decade in history? Perhaps not THEE greatest, but I would certainly put him very near the top.

babynoz said:

TrevorAyer said:

*a bunch of over the top hyperbole was here*

Thank you Timmy. Prince was, is and always will be a solo artist regardless of him incorporating the ideas of certain band members here and there in a given time period. I'm happy to give Dez and Dre and the rest of them their due but P is the one who had the vision which brought all of those diverse elements together in such a phenomenal way. Besides, I DON'T buy into the popular notion that his post 80s output is substandard.

Now as to the OP's claim of the greatest decade in history? Perhaps not THEE greatest, but I would certainly put him very near the top.

Right.

I guess people just want people to see their side of the story rather than go "that's just my opinion".