I felt kinda embarrased for Prince watching that Laydown performance. The twins dressed up like a Janet Jackson backing dancer and Prince walking out to a stage set that looked like it was lifted straight out of the Grafitti Bridge set.

It all looked very cheap and tacky. Oh, and the music wasn't great either.

Paris9748430 said:

djThunderfunk said:

All the CDs I have with covers of Prince songs DO give credit to Prince, Including Sinead & Chaka. I'm also fairly certain he was paid royalties in all cases.

Who covered him without giving him credit?

I think what he was referring to is a lot of people don't know that Prince wrote Nothing Compares 2 U and a lot of people don't know Prince wrote I Feel 4 U, and the ones that do know he wrote it probably don't know that Prince recorded it on his album years before Chaka's version came out.

So what, should there be an announcement at the beginning of each cover stating "Prince wrote this"? Give me a break. If the credits on the singles and albums clearly list the songs as Prince compositions, anybody who wants to know, can find out. I was specifically replying to the comment "released without credit", which as far as I know, has not happened with any covers of Prince songs. It has happened with songs Prince gave away, like "Cool", but only because that was the way Prince wanted it. So, if people don't know he wrote "Cool", Prince can blame himself.

It helps if you like Laydown first. Remember, that critics think it was the best song on the album.

The live version was not great, but it was good. Laydown is a studio song. Never going to be as good live. Even Prince can do so much.

What he needs is me to tell him what kind of band he needs. First, Renato needs to go. He needs seasoned jazz guys to back him. Get some old ass dudes who may not look good but they can play their asses off. You come to see Prince anyway, not his backing group.

Get the dudes that played on Aja. Natch.

laurarichardson said:

L4OATheOriginal said:

so everyone that didn't like it is wrong either? time 4 u 2 move on and realize that prince isn't the end and be all of music. i have vast wide range of music tastes and don't limit myself to that or one performer..so why don't u take heed 2 the song do me favor and let the sidewalk hit u where the dog bit u yesterday

No dude you are just wrong. You get on this board going on and on about the same silly crap everytime P performs (too many hits) as if people would pay money to hear a bunch of songs they do not know.

I and many others on this board call you out for you (out in space comments ) all the time. You have right to put them up on this board but your comments are still silly and you really may want to take yourself away from this board this artist and go enjoy all those other wonderful performers who I am sure do not perform their (hits) at their concerts.

so it's just me that says that they are tired of hearing the same ole same huh? ur prescription 4 glasses are on they way 4 u cause u really need 2 pay attention 4 real. as 4 fans paying 4 a concert ..hmmm i think alot of people did just fine during the xenophobia celebration and the ONA tour. or how they praised the montreux shows in 2009..going out of their minds when in LA in 2009 he was doing songs like journey 2 the center of your heart, the sun the moon and stars..oh wait ..u didn't read those responses now did u?

from what it seems with u ur content with hearing the same old songs over and over and if that's true and works 4 u, cool go have fun but don't sit there and say anyone that thinks different from u is completely wrong either.

mzsadii said:

laurarichardson said:

Until recently no one who had their stuff played on YOUTUBE received royalties. They do get them now so you do not hear P bitching anymore and D-Train should get some funds.

The whole issue is artist recording covers without even asking permission and usually fucking up P's music. He gets paid when people cover (record his music) he just thinks the covers suck.

He wrote it so he has a right to express his opinion about the sorry covers over the years.

Spoke today w/ a family member who is a long time recording artist who stated this prespective on what Prince was referring to about covers. He stated that because the early work was owned by WB and not Prince; they had the right to farm out the music to whomever paid their price w/o credit or mention given to Prince. Once he gains full controlling rights over his music; he will have the say so. Prince was not saying covers should happen. But permission should be sought and granted before its done. He spoke with certainty that Prince has always held this action in high regard and wouldn't act against this.

L4OATheOriginal said:

mzsadii said:

Spoke today w/ a family member who is a long time recording artist who stated this prespective on what Prince was referring to about covers. He stated that because the early work was owned by WB and not Prince; they had the right to farm out the music to whomever paid their price w/o credit or mention given to Prince. Once he gains full controlling rights over his music; he will have the say so. Prince was not saying covers should happen. But permission should be sought and granted before its done. He spoke with certainty that Prince has always held this action in high regard and wouldn't act against this.

elvis costello wanted 2 do a cover version of pop life but prince said no

Close, but not quite. Costello wanted to use a sample of the song. That is something that Prince can veto but he can't deny people the right to cover his songs.

Elvis did perform the song live during some of his shows circa 1986.

EDIT:

It looks like I was slightly mistaken. According to the liner notes of the All This Useless Beauty reissue Elvis wrote a song called "The Bridge I Burned" and it originally included a "four-line quote from the Prince song "Pop Life."" I'm not sure what this would be called, perhaps an interpolation? Smashing Pumpkins did something similar with their cover of "Rock On." The song includes some quotes from the Van Halen song "Everybody Wants Some."

[Edited 4/16/11 12:15pm]

just because many people dont know that prince wrote nothing compares 2 u or i feel for you doesnt mean there is anything wrong with covering songs. Critics and die hard fans give him plenty of credit for these songs. Besides the casual music fan isnt really interested in who wrote the song, but they are interested in how it sounds.

TheDigitalGardener said:

bigd74 said:

That was his song to start with wasn't it?

No, Kate Bush wrote it. She then sent it to Prince for his input, Prince then decided to totally destroy it by being the over the top control freak dick he is best at.

Prince then sent it limping back to kate, who then spent the next year (on and off) trying to rescue the track from Prince's idiocy.

The end result was then released on Kates album "The Red Shoes."

Its "Why Should I Love you?" Not "Y Should I Love U" or any other Prince stupidspeak.

[Edited 4/16/11 6:52am]

exactly! There is a really funny story behind that and about the lyrics Prince thought she was saying. Michael Koppleman tells a great story about it. I think it may be floating around and worth hearing.

^^ Cool, see if you can find it.

TheDigitalGardener said:

^^ Cool, see if you can find it.

It's here.

Genesia said:

PositivityNYC said:

u know I'm not surprised... lol

Two shows...only one night of hotel accommodations required. You know how we do!

Efan said:

TheDigitalGardener said:

^^ Cool, see if you can find it.

It's here.

That is great, thank you.

What's with Rashida and the Tibetan Goddess headdress?

TheDigitalGardener said:

Efan said:

It's here.

That is great, thank you.

VERY COOL! so funny!

I've been listening to Prince since 1979, Prince, became a fan in 1980, Dirty Mind, and I find it hilarious that folks on this site who were fans during the 80s think that the opinions or musical tastes of those who became Prince fans during the 90s or 00s are somehow devalued. It is the same ole, "In my day...blah, blah, blah..."

With that said, I quite enjoyed Prince on Lopez, but, then, again, I like 20Ten and think that Musicology and Lotusflow3r/MPLS (minus Elixir) both stand up to his 80s work. I guess that makes me an old fool rather than a young fool. Or, does it mean that I can smell Funk through the hate? And, of course, my opinion can't be worth anything because I'm not one of those people who think that Prince's career began and ended with Wenday and Lisa.

I really like the studio version of "Laydown," even though Hip Hop has never really moved me, and I love the Lopez live version. But, what do I know? I've only been listening to Prince since 1979. And, I'm sure all my years of listening to gospel, soul, and R&B disqualifies what I think about Shelby's wonderful voice because those who wish that Prince would completely amputate his R&B roots have had just about enough of that sound.

Now, do I think that age has affected his song writing and live performance? Yes, but not necessarily in a negative way. "Colonized Mind" shows that he can still play anyone under the table, but, of course, the lyrics are too preachy for some. Yet, again, that is hilarious because Prince has always been "preachy;" it is just that when he was preaching something else it was cool for him to be preachy. So, does that make him the hypocrite in this equation when all that he has done has continued to be a man on a journey toward spiritual understanding? Those of us who have been fans since the 80s had to assume or at least consider that his destination would end at a conclusion with which we may not agree. Around the World in a Day made it clear to me that Prince is the type of artist who, one day, may create art that is anti my sensibilities, which means that if I expect that change, then it is no big deal to me. It is the natural progression of all art and artists.

So, Prince may have lost a step live, but the Lopez performance was still a solid performance. For me, the first twenty minutes of The Nude Tour are my worst Prince live experience, and the Musicology Tour is well above The Nude Tour for me, with the Sign "O" the Times Tour being my favorite, which I only saw by film and bootleg, but I have seen almost every other tour live, including Prince opening for Rick James.

Finally, I do think that it was a bit contradictory for Prince to bemoan his work being covered and then end with a cover, but as someone has said, Prince has been contradictory his entire career. Part of that is just human hypocrisy, and part of that is caused by Prince having spent a lifetime embracing and struggling with human dichotomy (body and soul, black and white, male and female), often trying and wanting to have it both ways. But, there are very few people who do not struggle with wanting to have something both ways. I would prefer that Prince never recorded or played other people's music live, but that is not the nature of music, especially for someone from Prince's era, and someone who now sees himself as an elder and teacher, whether or not many of us believe him in that role. Just because I don't want spiritual enlightenment from Prince does not mean that I can't recognize that he is still funky. And, I am appreciative that a man in his fifties at least considers that he should be writing songs of a different nature than a boy in his twenties.

For my money, he is, at this moment, still the best live show, and the Lopez performance, for my tastes, said that if you come to 21 Nights in LA you gone gets yo' money's worth!

That was a fantastic interview.

The Sinead and Chaka part was so true.

Wish I was rich. Would be on the plane to LA tomorrow.

Nebula2020 said:

That was a fantastic interview.

The Sinead and Chaka part was so true.

Wish I was rich. Would be on the plane to LA tomorrow.

Man I wish I could type as fast as I speak....There is nothing but negativity on this site anymore.....Laydown Fuckin Rocked!!!!!What is wrong with u ppl...much better than that slow A typical version on the album, the stage was cool the lighting great and the way the track changed was awesome!!!!and as far hes dressed....hes PRINCE for fucks sake.....so what if he has an issue with ppl covering his songs without asking him....thats all he basically said....have the manners to ask...and as far as the musicans he plays with....he only plays with the best.....Come on I know everyone has the right to their opinion but really..disecting his every move and note is disrespectful...hes what almost 53...puts out records like theres no tomorrow and is always giging somewhere!!!!!! Fuck them all Prince,,retire and then give them something to bitch about!!!!!!really............

George Lopez is such a turd.

prince was awsome.

[Edited 4/17/11 7:29am]

1725topp said:

I've been listening to Prince since 1979, Prince, became a fan in 1980, Dirty Mind, and I find it hilarious that folks on this site who were fans during the 80s think that the opinions or musical tastes of those who became Prince fans during the 90s or 00s are somehow devalued. It is the same ole, "In my day...blah, blah, blah..."

With that said, I quite enjoyed Prince on Lopez, but, then, again, I like 20Ten and think that Musicology and Lotusflow3r/MPLS (minus Elixir) both stand up to his 80s work. I guess that makes me an old fool rather than a young fool. Or, does it mean that I can smell Funk through the hate? And, of course, my opinion can't be worth anything because I'm not one of those people who think that Prince's career began and ended with Wenday and Lisa.

I really like the studio version of "Laydown," even though Hip Hop has never really moved me, and I love the Lopez live version. But, what do I know? I've only been listening to Prince since 1979. And, I'm sure all my years of listening to gospel, soul, and R&B disqualifies what I think about Shelby's wonderful voice because those who wish that Prince would completely amputate his R&B roots have had just about enough of that sound.

Now, do I think that age has affected his song writing and live performance? Yes, but not necessarily in a negative way. "Colonized Mind" shows that he can still play anyone under the table, but, of course, the lyrics are too preachy for some. Yet, again, that is hilarious because Prince has always been "preachy;" it is just that when he was preaching something else it was cool for him to be preachy. So, does that make him the hypocrite in this equation when all that he has done has continued to be a man on a journey toward spiritual understanding? Those of us who have been fans since the 80s had to assume or at least consider that his destination would end at a conclusion with which we may not agree. Around the World in a Day made it clear to me that Prince is the type of artist who, one day, may create art that is anti my sensibilities, which means that if I expect that change, then it is no big deal to me. It is the natural progression of all art and artists.

So, Prince may have lost a step live, but the Lopez performance was still a solid performance. For me, the first twenty minutes of The Nude Tour are my worst Prince live experience, and the Musicology Tour is well above The Nude Tour for me, with the Sign "O" the Times Tour being my favorite, which I only saw by film and bootleg, but I have seen almost every other tour live, including Prince opening for Rick James.

Finally, I do think that it was a bit contradictory for Prince to bemoan his work being covered and then end with a cover, but as someone has said, Prince has been contradictory his entire career. Part of that is just human hypocrisy, and part of that is caused by Prince having spent a lifetime embracing and struggling with human dichotomy (body and soul, black and white, male and female), often trying and wanting to have it both ways. But, there are very few people who do not struggle with wanting to have something both ways. I would prefer that Prince never recorded or played other people's music live, but that is not the nature of music, especially for someone from Prince's era, and someone who now sees himself as an elder and teacher, whether or not many of us believe him in that role. Just because I don't want spiritual enlightenment from Prince does not mean that I can't recognize that he is still funky. And, I am appreciative that a man in his fifties at least considers that he should be writing songs of a different nature than a boy in his twenties.

For my money, he is, at this moment, still the best live show, and the Lopez performance, for my tastes, said that if you come to 21 Nights in LA you gone gets yo' money's worth!

best post in this thread

Astasheiks said:

MaddMaxx said:

maybe dude was tired or something, but that was one of the most bland, boring, uninspiring performances i've ever seen him deliver. and DAMN......enough with the covers!!!

Whose song was the last one they performed/ "artist"??? You would think with all his songs he would not do a cover on a show that short....

Can someone answer my question???

It's not about being nastalgic for the 80s, since lots of fans will agree with me that his newer music is not even up to snuff with much of his 90s work.

In some ways the 90s was his most vital period, because there were no rules.

Astasheiks said:

Astasheiks said:

Whose song was the last one they performed/ "artist"??? You would think with all his songs he would not do a cover on a show that short....

Can someone answer my question???

D-Train - You're The One For Me (its mentioned in this thread a bunch of times)

TheDigitalGardener said:

bigd74 said:

That was his song to start with wasn't it?

No, Kate Bush wrote it. She then sent it to Prince for his input, Prince then decided to totally destroy it by being the over the top control freak dick he is best at.

Prince then sent it limping back to kate, who then spent the next year (on and off) trying to rescue the track from Prince's idiocy.

The end result was then released on Kates album "The Red Shoes."

Its "Why Should I Love you?" Not "Y Should I Love U" or any other Prince stupidspeak.

[Edited 4/16/11 6:52am]

Ok didn't know that. cheers.

1725topp said:

I've been listening to Prince since 1979, Prince, became a fan in 1980, Dirty Mind, and I find it hilarious that folks on this site who were fans during the 80s think that the opinions or musical tastes of those who became Prince fans during the 90s or 00s are somehow devalued. It is the same ole, "In my day...blah, blah, blah..."

With that said, I quite enjoyed Prince on Lopez, but, then, again, I like 20Ten and think that Musicology and Lotusflow3r/MPLS (minus Elixir) both stand up to his 80s work. I guess that makes me an old fool rather than a young fool. Or, does it mean that I can smell Funk through the hate? And, of course, my opinion can't be worth anything because I'm not one of those people who think that Prince's career began and ended with Wenday and Lisa.

I really like the studio version of "Laydown," even though Hip Hop has never really moved me, and I love the Lopez live version. But, what do I know? I've only been listening to Prince since 1979. And, I'm sure all my years of listening to gospel, soul, and R&B disqualifies what I think about Shelby's wonderful voice because those who wish that Prince would completely amputate his R&B roots have had just about enough of that sound.

Now, do I think that age has affected his song writing and live performance? Yes, but not necessarily in a negative way. "Colonized Mind" shows that he can still play anyone under the table, but, of course, the lyrics are too preachy for some. Yet, again, that is hilarious because Prince has always been "preachy;" it is just that when he was preaching something else it was cool for him to be preachy. So, does that make him the hypocrite in this equation when all that he has done has continued to be a man on a journey toward spiritual understanding? Those of us who have been fans since the 80s had to assume or at least consider that his destination would end at a conclusion with which we may not agree. Around the World in a Day made it clear to me that Prince is the type of artist who, one day, may create art that is anti my sensibilities, which means that if I expect that change, then it is no big deal to me. It is the natural progression of all art and artists.

So, Prince may have lost a step live, but the Lopez performance was still a solid performance. For me, the first twenty minutes of The Nude Tour are my worst Prince live experience, and the Musicology Tour is well above The Nude Tour for me, with the Sign "O" the Times Tour being my favorite, which I only saw by film and bootleg, but I have seen almost every other tour live, including Prince opening for Rick James.

Finally, I do think that it was a bit contradictory for Prince to bemoan his work being covered and then end with a cover, but as someone has said, Prince has been contradictory his entire career. Part of that is just human hypocrisy, and part of that is caused by Prince having spent a lifetime embracing and struggling with human dichotomy (body and soul, black and white, male and female), often trying and wanting to have it both ways. But, there are very few people who do not struggle with wanting to have something both ways. I would prefer that Prince never recorded or played other people's music live, but that is not the nature of music, especially for someone from Prince's era, and someone who now sees himself as an elder and teacher, whether or not many of us believe him in that role. Just because I don't want spiritual enlightenment from Prince does not mean that I can't recognize that he is still funky. And, I am appreciative that a man in his fifties at least considers that he should be writing songs of a different nature than a boy in his twenties.

For my money, he is, at this moment, still the best live show, and the Lopez performance, for my tastes, said that if you come to 21 Nights in LA you gone gets yo' money's worth!

NeoGeo24bit said:

Pretty lame... Lay Down isn't a new song. Good guitar playing, but oh so lame. Prince looks fat too. Shelby and those back up singers sound bad, as usual. D-

My goodness. Fat . Really. From those performance clips you derived the opinion he is fat. Y dont you put up your mug shot. I am sure your are the definition of slim and if so u r 20 something not 50 something. Just worry about the music. geez

LoL. I dug Laydown performance, but I have to agree the choreo of TwinZ screamed "Rhythm Nation".

MattyJam said:

I felt kinda embarrased for Prince watching that Laydown performance. The twins dressed up like a Janet Jackson backing dancer and Prince walking out to a stage set that looked like it was lifted straight out of the Grafitti Bridge set.

It all looked very cheap and tacky. Oh, and the music wasn't great either.

Graycap23 said:

Loved the performance of Lay it down. It's about time he started playing the new material.

Second half got more interesting although nothing new in the field of 70's pub rock. But seriously what were the Twinz (?) doing!? They dance like me when I'm pissed and thinking nobody can see me

Beautiful Ones had a rather weak vocal performance which is unusual for him but then again he is over 50. A cliche on this site I know...

As for the new track. It was okay. More Santana shenanigans which is great if you abide that stuff.

Nice to see him perform as usual though. Good spectacle on the whole. Won't bother to download it mind you... rather listen to Cee Lo.

hhhhdmt said:

just because many people dont know that prince wrote nothing compares 2 u or i feel for you doesnt mean there is anything wrong with covering songs. Critics and die hard fans give him plenty of credit for these songs. Besides the casual music fan isnt really interested in who wrote the song, but they are interested in how it sounds.

I can't ever remember hearing Neil Diamond comment on covers (and he's written MASSIVE hits for other artists). Different strokes for different folks I guess...

emile58 said:

George Lopez is such a turd.

Prince was awsome.

Damn emile58 ... What George do, slap your mother ???