dustysgirl said:

I don't get how so many people keep saying "to give it a few listens" or "it will grow on you" about Prince's last few releases. Why can't it just be acceptable to say they suck? I have never in all my 27 years of being a Prince fan ever hated a song, then listened to it a bunch of times and decided I really did like it. If I heard a song, and it did something to my brain that was enjoyable, then I instantly liked it. End of story.

Why give any song "a chance?" They're not people or dogs or something else that I don't like at first and need getting ued to. My ears cannot bare to listen to any words that come out of Ke$ha's mouth, for example. Should I give her songs a chance too and purposely listen to them 30 times a day....just to get used to them?

I adore Prince. Heck, there was a time in my teen years, when I was sure that I would marry him someday!!!! That delusion has long since passed. I no longer thing that he has the Midas touch. He's human and isn't perfect.

Personally, I think that he is allowing himself to be spiritually torn between his musical talent and his religion. I'm sure that he knows what the JW faith does not want him to do, yet he wants so desperately to be spiritually right that he is drastically watering down what comes from him musically. Really he can balance both worlds if he would let go of his vanity. Acknowledge that the pop stardom days are over for him, and make a switch to more mature music. He can still channel his God-given talent into masterpieces, but he is fighting his own creativity and trying to "fit in."

Frankly, I'm embarrassed for him lately. Such rubbish coming from one of the most musically creative minds in the modern world! All the glamour photo shoots, the hair, the makeup. When is he going to grow up? It is very unattractive for a person to act, behave and try to look much, much younger than they really are.

NouveauDance said:

rialb said:

How so? My point was that both songs are lyrically very simple.

Wall was contrasting Prince song writing ability then and now, with BODP and Hot Summer, I assumed you were saying S&C is simple like Hot Summer, but I was saying S&C is more like BODP since it has some weight behind it, considering the story of the songs inception, i.e. that it's about a mentally challenged girl. Where as Hot Summer is just about, a hot summer.

rialb if you need it explained to you how Hot Summer differs lyrically from Starfish and Coffee then let me introduce you to an album called MPLS Sound, I think your're gonna dig it...

Starfish and Coffee is what one would expect from the mind of Prince when he sits down to write a pop song. The concept is quirky, the studio trickery is tight and the lyrics are are as airy as a fairy tale told in the Purple Kingdom. Hot Summer is about a fucking hot summer. End of story.

Wall said:

NouveauDance said:

Wall was contrasting Prince song writing ability then and now, with BODP and Hot Summer, I assumed you were saying S&C is simple like Hot Summer, but I was saying S&C is more like BODP since it has some weight behind it, considering the story of the songs inception, i.e. that it's about a mentally challenged girl. Where as Hot Summer is just about, a hot summer.

rialb if you need it explained to you how Hot Summer differs lyrically from Starfish and Coffee then let me introduce you to an album called MPLS Sound, I think your're gonna dig it...

Starfish and Coffee is what one would expect from the mind of Prince when he sits down to write a pop song. The concept is quirky, the studio trickery is tight and the lyrics are are as airy as a fairy tale told in the Purple Kingdom. Hot Summer is about a fucking hot summer. End of story.

It probably would be a lot more interesting if he had made the lyrics metaphorical, and called it "Cold Summer." That sounds more like a "Prince" song than this explicit track about literal weather conditions, lol. But then again, with my title the music wouldn't work. That instrumentation is far too warm....I don't know, lol.

jobyjayy said:

Hot summer song???...Hey Prince...try listening to Katy Perry's new joint "California Girls" Now that's a HOT summer song.

More like a hot pile of vomit... sometimes I forget that Prince fans often have terrible taste and, aside from Prince, only listen to mainstream radio.

Wall said:

NouveauDance said:

Wall was contrasting Prince song writing ability then and now, with BODP and Hot Summer, I assumed you were saying S&C is simple like Hot Summer, but I was saying S&C is more like BODP since it has some weight behind it, considering the story of the songs inception, i.e. that it's about a mentally challenged girl. Where as Hot Summer is just about, a hot summer.

rialb if you need it explained to you how Hot Summer differs lyrically from Starfish and Coffee then let me introduce you to an album called MPLS Sound, I think your're gonna dig it...

Starfish and Coffee is what one would expect from the mind of Prince when he sits down to write a pop song. The concept is quirky, the studio trickery is tight and the lyrics are are as airy as a fairy tale told in the Purple Kingdom. Hot Summer is about a fucking hot summer. End of story.

Fair enough. However, I think it is foolish to expect Prince to scale the heights today that he did in his prime. The Prince of the '80s and the Prince of today are two different people. If you scale back your expectation he is still capable of delivering good-great music but it is extremely unlikely that he will ever create any new music that will rival what he did in the '80s. This phenomenon is hardly exclusive to Prince. If you look at the career of any pop musician they all produce their best music early on, typically in the first ten years or so. After that they tend to lose "it."

Wall said:

NouveauDance said:

Wall was contrasting Prince song writing ability then and now, with BODP and Hot Summer, I assumed you were saying S&C is simple like Hot Summer, but I was saying S&C is more like BODP since it has some weight behind it, considering the story of the songs inception, i.e. that it's about a mentally challenged girl. Where as Hot Summer is just about, a hot summer.

rialb if you need it explained to you how Hot Summer differs lyrically from Starfish and Coffee then let me introduce you to an album called MPLS Sound, I think your're gonna dig it...

Starfish and Coffee is what one would expect from the mind of Prince when he sits down to write a pop song. The concept is quirky, the studio trickery is tight and the lyrics are are as airy as a fairy tale told in the Purple Kingdom. Hot Summer is about a fucking hot summer. End of story.

Yeah, both Rasberry Beret and Starfish and Coffee told stories...not so much with Hot Summer, unfortunately.

HonestMan13 said:

Cerebus said:

Noooo, no no no. Honestly. I have no desire to do so. Nor did I download Cause & Affect, or the few tracks offered through the Lotusflow3r website. Truthfully, I don't think they're good enough to bother with. I'll just wait and pick up the new album when/if it's released so I can check out a handful of new tunes at once. If these tracks aren't on the album, then maybe I'll hunt them down.

I get your point, though. And I'm sure a lot of people are doing so. But I don't think the loyalty of his fanbase is quiet as crazed about the recent new material as we were back in the day (or even a few years ago).

In regards to what you said about the "Vault", which I actually meant to quote. I am still interested in getting batches of those songs properly mixed, mastered and released to us with the mans blessing. They will sound different than we've ever heard them before if that's done properly.

That's the only thing to get from a proper Vault release is better sound quality to songs that are 20-30 years old.

I saw downloads for 'Purple & Gold' and for 'Cause & Effect' on a well known site for orgers and they both had been dl'ed more than once. Most of us are completists and don't be fooled by anyone on here telling you otherwise. Even the "crappy audience recorded boots" get dl'ed by us. We want it all but some of us don't have the balls to come out and say it. There are a lot of "Sound Quality" elitists on here who still ran out and copped the Black Album on a homemade cassette back in 87-88 because they had to have it.

I hope Prince doesn't release another CD and decides to just record for himself and for his own personal enjoyment because if the masses around here are an indication then he was right "The Divine" is too good for us.

There was a time when I would be giddy about downloading a poor quality audience recording. But not now. Now, I'd delete the crappy ones, only keeping the best of the best. ...if I did such things, of course. *whistles* However, not individual tacks anymore. He doesn't have that hold over me. I know the tracks are going to be out there when I want to grab them anyway. So I just wait until there's a real need, and individual tracks do not create that need. Again, I know you're right that a good number of people still feel it important to have every note they can, as soon as they can. But I also know that number is not as big as it used to be.

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rialb said:

Fair enough. However, I think it is foolish to expect Prince to scale the heights today that he did in his prime. The Prince of the '80s and the Prince of today are two different people. If you scale back your expectation he is still capable of delivering good-great music but it is extremely unlikely that he will ever create any new music that will rival what he did in the '80s. This phenomenon is hardly exclusive to Prince. If you look at the career of any pop musician they all produce their best music early on, typically in the first ten years or so. After that they tend to lose "it."

rialb, fair points, but I don't think anyone here is surprised that Prince is writing songs like Hot Summer, or that he isn't on top of his game like he was in the 80's; nothing lasts, it's better that way, but I've never seen a quicker implosion of a musician's understanding of the pop music game than what Prince has gone through in the past year. It's staggering how bad these songs have been. Has he been listening to this radio station and is now trying to mime 20something hipsters the same way he tried to mime 20something hip-hoppers in the 90's? He needs to follow his muse, even if it's Jehovah. I'll take that Darth Vader voice in The Rainbow Children over 3 bored chords and jingle-y chorus that's so vile that I bet it's the only thing that could escape from a Black Hole. Even the bottomless void doesn't want this shit.

But if he's going to insist on sullying his name with new music, he should probably keep on the Lotusflower sound. Rock with the guitar, even if it's over daffy lyrics, as the man can still play the instrument. And as long as the tone isn't as thin as a camel hair like in Fury, whatever the lyrics are won't really matter since they'll be drowned in sound anyway.

Do I hear Sheila E in there???? Sounds like her to me...........

I'm diggin' it.

fms said:

It's official - after a day of listening to it, I really like Hot Summer. It's insanely catchy. I also liked Shake! and Vavoom, two songs it reminds me of.

Can anyone tell me what "pound" means: "they both deserve a hug and a pound"? Maybe I should have asked this a long time ago - I didn't understand it when Prince used it in "Props n Pounds" either.

Also, the drum pattern reminds me of Sheila E and the background voice kinda sounds like her to.. Could it be? We don't know who is playing on this, do we?

Just read this after I posted. I do believe that is Sheila E. I have to agree!!

The song is actually really catchy, and not as bad as I thought it would be, well from reading this thread I thought it was going to be an awful song

god, Prince has moany ass nagging fans that will never be pleased with anything he does!

no wonder he hates his fans

"Solo"

"Purple and Gold"

"Hot Summer"

"Wedding Feast"

Make's one envy the deaf.

PinkOrchid said:

The song is actually really catchy, and not as bad as I thought it would be, well from reading this thread I thought it was going to be an awful song

god, Prince has moany ass nagging fans that will never be pleased with anything he does!

no wonder he hates his fans

I can't believe genius is in this thread

WaterInYourBath said:

fms said:

It's official - after a day of listening to it, I really like Hot Summer. It's insanely catchy. I also liked Shake! and Vavoom, two songs it reminds me of.

Can anyone tell me what "pound" means: "they both deserve a hug and a pound"? Maybe I should have asked this a long time ago - I didn't understand it when Prince used it in "Props n Pounds" either.

Also, the drum pattern reminds me of Sheila E and the background voice kinda sounds like her to.. Could it be? We don't know who is playing on this, do we?

I guess it's referring to hugging a woman, and "pounding" a man's hand (a fist-to-fist form of greeting):

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Yes, pretty much like the fist bump. Sometimes it's done a different way, like back in the day, where you took your closed hand and tapped the top (or give a pound) to the closed hand of the other person. There's also the "pound hug" where you see some guys greet one another like that.

[Edited 6/8/10 20:35pm]

Wall said:

rialb said:

rialb, fair points, but I don't think anyone here is surprised that Prince is writing songs like Hot Summer, or that he isn't on top of his game like he was in the 80's; nothing lasts, it's better that way, but I've never seen a quicker implosion of a musician's understanding of the pop music game than what Prince has gone through in the past year. It's staggering how bad these songs have been. Has he been listening to this radio station and is now trying to mime 20something hipsters the same way he tried to mime 20something hip-hoppers in the 90's? He needs to follow his muse, even if it's Jehovah. I'll take that Darth Vader voice in The Rainbow Children over 3 bored chords and jingle-y chorus that's so vile that I bet it's the only thing that could escape from a Black Hole. Even the bottomless void doesn't want this shit.

But if he's going to insist on sullying his name with new music, he should probably keep on the Lotusflower sound. Rock with the guitar, even if it's over daffy lyrics, as the man can still play the instrument. And as long as the tone isn't as thin as a camel hair like in Fury, whatever the lyrics are won't really matter since they'll be drowned in sound anyway.

I have actually enjoyed "Purple and Gold," "Cause and Effect" and "Hot Summer" but I think there may be a glimmer of hope for folks like yourself who did not. To date, none of those songs got a "real" release. Maybe that means that Prince doesn't think they are good enough?

For the most part, I have quite enjoyed the 2004-2010 era with Prince's return to simpler, poppier songs but I do agree that it would be great if he changed things up a bit and tried something more ambitious again like The Rainbow Children.

shortnsweet said:

PinkOrchid said:

The song is actually really catchy, and not as bad as I thought it would be, well from reading this thread I thought it was going to be an awful song

god, Prince has moany ass nagging fans that will never be pleased with anything he does!

no wonder he hates his fans

Or most people don't like this song and you're lashing out at them because you're defensive and secretly insecure about your terrible taste in music.

I love Prince and I am never overly critical, but having listened to this song, I feel the music sounds dated. I liked the song, but it did not sound fresh, but rather "old". I feel like it is from a time warp. It is not what I expected. I love "Turn me Loose" that was rocky & catchy, but this one sounded abit tired.

My thoughts?

Anyone who says "Hot Summer" is on the laughable levels of "Purple & Gold" or has the tepid, boring feel of "Cause & Effect" is not listening with objective ears.....

Point blank, "Hot Summer" is a cute little pop song that at times gets too cute for its own good....If you take it as such, you wont spaz out and start calling it an abomination because he's not shredding the guitar or going into some experimental, genre-pushing surge...

I'm scratching my head trying to figure out if all of the wild comments being made in this thread are really that serious?

BobPaisleyPark said:

"Solo"

"Purple and Gold"

"Hot Summer"

"Wedding Feast"

Make's one envy the deaf.

You fools trying to compare "Hot Summer" to "Purple and Gold" are wilding out...I guess, this is what it's come too on this site....lol

"Purple and Gold" wasn't just awful for a Prince song....That shit was awful all the way around...

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

RubyButterfly said:

I am not knowledgable about drum patterns and such to remark on that part of your comment, but the female vocals on Hot Summer sound absolutely nothing like Sheila E to me.

As FOR those female background vocals: I commented yesterday that the background vocals are the primary aspect of the song that - for me - makes the song less enjoyable. Upon further listenings, I can report that while I still think the song is okay for what it is, and it isn't 'growing on me' either. I want to like it more than I do, I just....don't. I guess you can say I "like" it, but I don't "like like" it. This song and I will remain friends but nothing more.

I think the main reason I dislike the female vocals is because this song is supposed to be light and airy and fluffy and summery, but that chick's voice is just way too BIG AND LOUD AND OVERPOWERING for the tone of this tune - it doesn't "fit" the intended vibe of the song, in my opinion.Those background vocals to me are the equivalent of wearing heavy, itchy woolen tights with a floaty, gauzy sundress.

I think it will be a revamped remix version of the new mega hit single "Hot Summer" released with Prince replacing the vocals with his unique multi layered vocals soon.

Really??

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

I can't believe genius is in this thread

Oh, thank you, you're too kind. But really, I think I only left one post in here.

If there's one thing I don't get, it's the hate for Cause & Effect. That song is waaay better than this drivel.

PinkOrchid said:

The song is actually really catchy, and not as bad as I thought it would be, well from reading this thread I thought it was going to be an awful song

god, Prince has moany ass nagging fans that will never be pleased with anything he does!

no wonder he hates his fans

Exactly!

NouveauDance said:

muleFunk said:

I bet there are millions of fans that are wishing Michael Jackson could release a little lazy piece of shit pop song this morning.

When the best thing you can say about an artists latest output is "at least he's not dead", you know you're clutching at straw

Don t B surprised if Michael actual releases a song someday soon, at least he's not dead either.... And it s probably what the song s hot summer is about.

"He knows something none of us really know. let s wait it out you never know. Ultimately we all gotta come back home, so just let us make a home for him"

Read more about the lyrics of Hot Summer here: http://michaeljacksonhoax...mp;t=10660

Wall said:

I'll take that Darth Vader voice in The Rainbow Children over 3 bored chords and jingle-y chorus that's so vile that I bet it's the only thing that could escape from a Black Hole. Even the bottomless void doesn't want this shit.

That's some funny shit right there. Let me stroke your obviously huge ego here for a moment. You have a way with words like I've rarely seen. No doubt you're a smart dude.

Has it ever crossed your mind, or anyone else who likes to continually dump on Prince about his recent output (last fifteen years or so), that he realizes that his current music, no matter how good it may be, will never match the quality or receive the acclaim that his '80's output did?

Don't you think he really, truly knows this? Don't you think that he makes music now on a whim. Simple music that he wants to make, without overthinking the creative process. I believe that he is smart enough to know that whether he puts out Hot Summer or some lyricaly deep musical masterpiece, at the end of the day, it will forgotten when compared to When Doves Cry.

Do you really think that Prince believes that Hot Summer or Cause and Effect will have any lasting impact? I don't. I think he's been on cruise control since around '95, and he realizes this. He cemented his legacy with about a twelve year run unmatched by any solo artist in history. In my opinion of course.

[Edited 6/8/10 18:02pm]

weused2luvhim said:

Do you really think that Prince believes that Hot Summer or Cause and Effect will have any lasting impact?

Of course not. I don't think there's any question this stuff is immediately forgettable. That's the problem. But I have a hard time believing an egoist like Prince realizes how terrible it sounds. I doubt he thought this was anything more than a fun pop single, but to anyone who thinks this is a fun pop single, well, I'd rather be in 9th circle of hell listening to Planet Earth outtakes than go on a road trip with your ipod.

Simply ok. Sounds like a demo that now needs Wendy & Lisa to spice it up a little...YES you all heard me correctly!

Wall said:

weused2luvhim said:

Do you really think that Prince believes that Hot Summer or Cause and Effect will have any lasting impact?

Of course not. I don't think there's any question this stuff is immediately forgettable. That's the problem. But I have a hard time believing an egoist like Prince realizes how terrible it sounds. I doubt he thought this was anything more than a fun pop single, but to anyone who thinks this is a fun pop single, well, I'd rather be in 9th circle of hell listening to Planet Earth outtakes than go on a road trip with your ipod.

I understand tastes. Likes, dislikes and whatnot. I'm sure you do too. There are people right here in this thread with a keen ear for decent music, who would not be considered a "fam" by any definition who actually like the song for what it is. A fun pop song.

How do you explain that someone who has a somewhat finicky taste for "good" music finds worth in this song, and you find it terrible?