ladychel61 said:

I'VE ALWAYS WONDER WHY DO PEOPLE LOOK FOR EVERY MISTAKE THAT JEHOVAH WITNESSES MAKE. WE ARE IMPERFECT HUMANS LIKE EVERY ONE ELSE. PRINCE MAY HAVE TALKED TO SOME OF THE ELDERS CONCERNING ANY MISTAKES HE HAS MADE. IF SO HE DOESN'T HAVE TO MAKE AN ANNOUNCEMENT TO YOU AND I. WHAT REALLY AMAZING IS EVERYONE ELSE CAN CURSE,FUSS,FIGHT,COMMIT ADULTRY,FORNICATION STEAL,MURDER,ETC. BUT IF A JEHOVAH WITNESS MAKE A MISTAKE EVERYONE IS QUICK TO REMIND YOU. I WONDER WHY? IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT YOU WILL HAVE YOUR ANSWER.I'M SURE THAT EVERYONE OF US HAVE MADE MANY MISTAKES SO PLEASE LEAVE JEHOVAH WITNESSES AND PRINCE ALONE.

actions speak louder than words

robinhood said:

ladychel61 said:

I'VE ALWAYS WONDER WHY DO PEOPLE LOOK FOR EVERY MISTAKE THAT JEHOVAH WITNESSES MAKE. WE ARE IMPERFECT HUMANS LIKE EVERY ONE ELSE. PRINCE MAY HAVE TALKED TO SOME OF THE ELDERS CONCERNING ANY MISTAKES HE HAS MADE. IF SO HE DOESN'T HAVE TO MAKE AN ANNOUNCEMENT TO YOU AND I. WHAT REALLY AMAZING IS EVERYONE ELSE CAN CURSE,FUSS,FIGHT,COMMIT ADULTRY,FORNICATION STEAL,MURDER,ETC. BUT IF A JEHOVAH WITNESS MAKE A MISTAKE EVERYONE IS QUICK TO REMIND YOU. I WONDER WHY? IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT YOU WILL HAVE YOUR ANSWER.I'M SURE THAT EVERYONE OF US HAVE MADE MANY MISTAKES SO PLEASE LEAVE JEHOVAH WITNESSES AND PRINCE ALONE.

actions speak louder than words

YOU'LL NEVER CHANGE

robinhood said:

ladychel61 said:

I'VE ALWAYS WONDER WHY DO PEOPLE LOOK FOR EVERY MISTAKE THAT JEHOVAH WITNESSES MAKE. WE ARE IMPERFECT HUMANS LIKE EVERY ONE ELSE. PRINCE MAY HAVE TALKED TO SOME OF THE ELDERS CONCERNING ANY MISTAKES HE HAS MADE. IF SO HE DOESN'T HAVE TO MAKE AN ANNOUNCEMENT TO YOU AND I. WHAT REALLY AMAZING IS EVERYONE ELSE CAN CURSE,FUSS,FIGHT,COMMIT ADULTRY,FORNICATION STEAL,MURDER,ETC. BUT IF A JEHOVAH WITNESS MAKE A MISTAKE EVERYONE IS QUICK TO REMIND YOU. I WONDER WHY? IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT YOU WILL HAVE YOUR ANSWER.I'M SURE THAT EVERYONE OF US HAVE MADE MANY MISTAKES SO PLEASE LEAVE JEHOVAH WITNESSES AND PRINCE ALONE.

actions speak louder than words

WHY DO PEOPLE LOOK FOR EVERY MISTAKE THAT JEHOVAH WITNESSES MAKE. WE ARE IMPERFECT HUMANS LIKE EVERY ONE ELSE.

You are right, this seems almost unfair. If a person is truly saved though, their continuing sinful actions becomes a bondage, and this is part of that prison. While salvation rest upon faith, afterwards there is really nothing left but your works that will either hinder or accelerate your personal growth.

BUT IF A JEHOVAH WITNESS MAKE A MISTAKE EVERYONE IS QUICK TO REMIND YOU. I WONDER WHY?

Because you are set apart from the world. When you are persecuted, this is actually the act of scripture being fulfilled. It's frustrating, but if it did not happen, then the word would be a lie.

I'M SURE THAT EVERYONE OF US HAVE MADE MANY MISTAKES SO PLEASE LEAVE JEHOVAH WITNESSES AND PRINCE ALONE.

You will never be left alone. You will always have to defend your faith. It is a natural pressure designed to make you feel like giving up, which would keep your growth in bondage, and it is an actual force, unlike faith, which applies no force to your actions at all if you so choose.

Prince will always answer to the world for his past, but it is his future that really matters. If he goes back to acting like a bad boy, then his life will be a witness that says worship does not matter. That would be more damaging than anything he has done in his past.

^ might be fair to say for any religious group, if they dont like being condemned, then maybe they should stop condemning other people.

in my opinion, we're all part of the one living organism, whether you attribute that to a divine providence or something entirely scientific is your personal choice.

when individuals form groups, they separate themselves from the rest of humanity, setting themselves up for speculation, criticism and contempt.

for any one group to claim exclusivity to God is the ultimate arrogance, in my opinion.

in as much as this relates to Prince and his obvious hypocrisies, i cant say i have any sympathy for him and the flack he receives.

refraining from committing any of the seven deadly sins isnt hard if ur truly committed to your 'faith', but for Prince it appears to be a severe difficulty.

but its not for me to judge him, i'm sure Jehovah will do that just nicely.

hollywooddove said:

robinhood said:

actions speak louder than words

WHY DO PEOPLE LOOK FOR EVERY MISTAKE THAT JEHOVAH WITNESSES MAKE. WE ARE IMPERFECT HUMANS LIKE EVERY ONE ELSE.

You are right, this seems almost unfair. If a person is truly saved though, their continuing sinful actions becomes a bondage, and this is part of that prison. While salvation rest upon faith, afterwards there is really nothing left but your works that will either hinder or accelerate your personal growth.

BUT IF A JEHOVAH WITNESS MAKE A MISTAKE EVERYONE IS QUICK TO REMIND YOU. I WONDER WHY?

Because you are set apart from the world. When you are persecuted, this is actually the act of scripture being fulfilled. It's frustrating, but if it did not happen, then the word would be a lie.

I'M SURE THAT EVERYONE OF US HAVE MADE MANY MISTAKES SO PLEASE LEAVE JEHOVAH WITNESSES AND PRINCE ALONE.

You will never be left alone. You will always have to defend your faith. It is a natural pressure designed to make you feel like giving up, which would keep your growth in bondage, and it is an actual force, unlike faith, which applies no force to your actions at all if you so choose.

Prince will always answer to the world for his past, but it is his future that really matters. If he goes back to acting like a bad boy, then his life will be a witness that says worship does not matter. That would be more damaging than anything he has done in his past.

YES BEING PERSECUTED IS A TEST OF YOUR FAITH. I'VE RECEIVED MANY TEST, LOVED ONES PASSING AWAY AND YOU BELIEVE YOU HAVE TRUE FRIENDS THAT WOULD BE WITH YOU FOREVER AND THEN THE NEXT MINUTE THEIR GONE.IT HURTS BUT WITH JEHOVAH'S HELP YOU'LL SURVIVE. HOPEFULLY PRINCE WILL REMAIN FAITHFUL TO JEHOVAH. HE WILL ALWAYS HAVE A SPECIAL PLACE IN MY HEART.

robinhood said:

^ might be fair to say for any religious group, if they dont like being condemned, then maybe they should stop condemning other people.

in my opinion, we're all part of the one living organism, whether you attribute that to a divine providence or something entirely scientific is your personal choice.

when individuals form groups, they separate themselves from the rest of humanity, setting themselves up for speculation, criticism and contempt.

for any one group to claim exclusivity to God is the ultimate arrogance, in my opinion.

in as much as this relates to Prince and his obvious hypocrisies, i cant say i have any sympathy for him and the flack he receives.

refraining from committing any of the seven deadly sins isnt hard if ur truly committed to your 'faith', but for Prince it appears to be a severe difficulty.

but its not for me to judge him, i'm sure Jehovah will do that just nicely.

I think you have a fair argument. I personally have never condemned another group of people for their beliefs. Scripture says that people condemn themselves, and that the word is the divine truth, not what I or anyone else may try to superimpose on anyone.

And that is what makes your statement true, it is completely a choice.

I do also have a problem with any doctrine of religion that exclusively claims God. I also believe that it would take a heartless God to place us here without any direction, and I believe the word is that direction. I could not equate God = Love if God never gave us a hint that He existed, or who He is, or what He expects.

It's that whole 'what He expects' that divides religions, along with exactly who He is, and this crumbles with human interpretation that sometimes becomes self oriented instead of God oriented. These are the ones that condemn that you speak of. That's a bad thing. It makes all people of faith look bad. Most people of faith are just looking for the truth, and sometimes they unwittingly fall under these faiths that have leaders who are looking for numbers.

For me, I do believe Jesus is the sacrifice that saves us because we can not do it ourselves. We can't clean and maintain a clean heart, EVEN after salvation. I have never met a single person who can, mostly including me. I do try, and the harder I try, I find that though salvation has nothing to do with anything I have ever achieved, I do have the responsibility to tell people how great it has made my life and to behave as if I do believe what I claim. It is hard sometimes.

You are also right, it appears to be hard for Prince. But I won't answer in my life for anything that he does that may defy God, I will only answer for myself.

robinhood said:

^ might be fair to say for any religious group, if they dont like being condemned, then maybe they should stop condemning other people.

in my opinion, we're all part of the one living organism, whether you attribute that to a divine providence or something entirely scientific is your personal choice.

when individuals form groups, they separate themselves from the rest of humanity, setting themselves up for speculation, criticism and contempt.

for any one group to claim exclusivity to God is the ultimate arrogance, in my opinion.

in as much as this relates to Prince and his obvious hypocrisies, i cant say i have any sympathy for him and the flack he receives.

refraining from committing any of the seven deadly sins isnt hard if ur truly committed to your 'faith', but for Prince it appears to be a severe difficulty.

but its not for me to judge him, i'm sure Jehovah will do that just nicely.

Couldn't agree with you more. This is the problem with religion.... exclusivity

hollywooddove said:

robinhood said:

^ might be fair to say for any religious group, if they dont like being condemned, then maybe they should stop condemning other people.

in my opinion, we're all part of the one living organism, whether you attribute that to a divine providence or something entirely scientific is your personal choice.

when individuals form groups, they separate themselves from the rest of humanity, setting themselves up for speculation, criticism and contempt.

for any one group to claim exclusivity to God is the ultimate arrogance, in my opinion.

in as much as this relates to Prince and his obvious hypocrisies, i cant say i have any sympathy for him and the flack he receives.

refraining from committing any of the seven deadly sins isnt hard if ur truly committed to your 'faith', but for Prince it appears to be a severe difficulty.

but its not for me to judge him, i'm sure Jehovah will do that just nicely.

I think you have a fair argument. I personally have never condemned another group of people for their beliefs. Scripture says that people condemn themselves, and that the word is the divine truth, not what I or anyone else may try to superimpose on anyone.

And that is what makes your statement true, it is completely a choice.

I do also have a problem with any doctrine of religion that exclusively claims God. I also believe that it would take a heartless God to place us here without any direction, and I believe the word is that direction. I could not equate God = Love if God never gave us a hint that He existed, or who He is, or what He expects.

It's that whole 'what He expects' that divides religions, along with exactly who He is, and this crumbles with human interpretation that sometimes becomes self oriented instead of God oriented. These are the ones that condemn that you speak of. That's a bad thing. It makes all people of faith look bad. Most people of faith are just looking for the truth, and sometimes they unwittingly fall under these faiths that have leaders who are looking for numbers.

For me, I do believe Jesus is the sacrifice that saves us because we can not do it ourselves. We can't clean and maintain a clean heart, EVEN after salvation. I have never met a single person who can, mostly including me. I do try, and the harder I try, I find that though salvation has nothing to do with anything I have ever achieved, I do have the responsibility to tell people how great it has made my life and to behave as if I do believe what I claim. It is hard sometimes.

You are also right, it appears to be hard for Prince. But I won't answer in my life for anything that he does that may defy God, I will only answer for myself.

isnt it wonderful that people can connect with divinity in the private solace of their own hearts and feel some peace, without forcing their belief on anyone else, or feeling the need to condemn..

if only it were as simple as a gentle invitation, these days trust appears to be a big factor in whether or not others will pursue one belief over another, and understandably so...

there's been so many charlatans, and some folk want straight up scientific proof of divinity.

for me personally i dont need to go too far for proof, maybe my eyes are open...

one thing i found to be the same with people of all faiths who are genuine, and lucid with their beliefs, is the common denominator of love...

i am of no religion, only a simple truth, i can speak with you here without judgment and hear in your words that we come from the same place.

the ability to communicate with you at that level, does not make me Christian, Jew, Buddhist or Jehovah's Witness...

to me it simply means i'm part of the human race, embracing its own divinity, as it projects and reflects itself in love, ever present, without name nor custom, obligation nor guilt...

i respect there are many roads back to rome, i can even respect that some people think there is only one true path...

but what i dont have any time for is bullshit... not that i feel i lack compassion, but i'm too old and tired for the charades that get played with religion whilst the point is consistently missed, preached, but not practised...

thanks for sharing your thoughts.

nosajd said:

robinhood said:

^ might be fair to say for any religious group, if they dont like being condemned, then maybe they should stop condemning other people.

in my opinion, we're all part of the one living organism, whether you attribute that to a divine providence or something entirely scientific is your personal choice.

when individuals form groups, they separate themselves from the rest of humanity, setting themselves up for speculation, criticism and contempt.

for any one group to claim exclusivity to God is the ultimate arrogance, in my opinion.

in as much as this relates to Prince and his obvious hypocrisies, i cant say i have any sympathy for him and the flack he receives.

refraining from committing any of the seven deadly sins isnt hard if ur truly committed to your 'faith', but for Prince it appears to be a severe difficulty.

but its not for me to judge him, i'm sure Jehovah will do that just nicely.

Couldn't agree with you more. This is the problem with religion.... exclusivity

well yeah, i never needed to be part of a group to feel love in my heart or listen to my conscience or practice common sense

robinhood said:

robinhood said:

^ might be fair to say for any religious group, if they dont like being condemned, then maybe they should stop condemning other people.

in my opinion, we're all part of the one living organism, whether you attribute that to a divine providence or something entirely scientific is your personal choice.

when individuals form groups, they separate themselves from the rest of humanity, setting themselves up for speculation, criticism and contempt.

for any one group to claim exclusivity to God is the ultimate arrogance, in my opinion.

in as much as this relates to Prince and his obvious hypocrisies, i cant say i have any sympathy for him and the flack he receives.

refraining from committing any of the seven deadly sins isnt hard if ur truly committed to your 'faith', but for Prince it appears to be a severe difficulty.

but its not for me to judge him, i'm sure Jehovah will do that just nicely.

WE HAVE TO FIGHT TO DO WHATS RIGHT. WE HAVE TO CONTINUE TO PRAY FOR JEHOVAH TO BE WITH US.I HOPE THAT JEHOVAH AND THE FRIENDS ARE AROUND TO ENCOURAGE PRINCE. PRINCE IS A STRONG PERSON HE IS GOING TO BE O.K