NDRU said: Anxiety said: i loathe planet earth, but it did serve the purpose of lowering my expectations with regard to what his next album would be like. at least i thought lotusflow3r was BETTER, though i think it's a little late in the day for someone to write a blog crying about how P has "lost his edge". yeah, we waved off that boat a long time ago. we're just sopping up the gravy these days. I didn't want to admit it but PE really did lower my expectations too. The two preceeding albums did too, to some extent, though not nearly as much. Lotus is less a masterpiece than a relief. Emancipation made me scratch my head and then New Power Soul and Rave obliterated my expectations. I have not really "expected" anything since. TRC was a nice surprise. Elixer is a nice surprise. But he's not the same guy anymore. it's time for a new direction / it's time for jazz to die | |
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theums said: Sounds like ENVY spewing from the pen of a failed musician...
I did some research and Mr Yamodas latest artistic contribution consists of making a Jimi Hendrix mixtape for an all-asian rewrite of a more famous play...they stage this in the attic of a church. Prior works include making mixtapes for other third rate plays. From centerstagechicago.com... City Lit is located on the second floor of a church, down the hall from the main stairwell. It's a good sized space designed as a thrust, and is intimate enough that there aren't really any bad seats. When walking there from the Bryn Mawr Red Line stop, there's (naturally) a Starbucks on the way and a great restaurant, Mia Francesca's, is right across the street. Mr Yamoda...you are not worthy of judging O)+> In that case, neither are you. According to you, none of the positive posts about Prince's music on this site, none of the millions of records he has sold to regular folks like you and me, count for anything. The only opinions of Prince that count are from people who have matched or exceeded Prince's accomplishments. Small club.* (* No pun intended.) it's time for a new direction / it's time for jazz to die | |
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With as many grooves that Prince has on the shelf, I don't think reviews phase him. It is so TIRED that people still want another Purple Rain or whatever~
The Prince We All Want? WTF? He is still the Prince I Want. To all the haters on the Internet... No More Candy 4 U ! | |
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Anxiety said: HatrinaHaterwitz said: It may be a little late in the day but I actually think it's about damn time. When it's just the fans around here saying it, we get little "better mind your manners" ditties like F.U.N.K. and No More Candy 4 U but when it's out there and being discussed amongst the masses, just blowing it off doesn't work anymore. yeah, i see what you mean, but i guess my thing is, it's hardly news. i just figured it was something that people just come to accept from pop icons when they get long in the tooth. the music loses its edge and the only people who really embrace it are the diehard fans. everyone else just flocks to the concerts and is satisfied to hear the big hits performed, then they talk through the new stuff when it's being performed. Or go hit the bar, like I usually do! I knew from the start that I loved you with all my heart. | |
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buttcheeks said: To all the haters on the Internet... No More Candy 4 U ! What is that supposed to mean, though? It's not like Prince is giving away anything for free that he can withhold from people he deems to be "haters." it's time for a new direction / it's time for jazz to die | |
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theums said: Sounds like ENVY spewing from the pen of a failed musician...
I did some research and Mr Yamodas latest artistic contribution consists of making a Jimi Hendrix mixtape for an all-asian rewrite of a more famous play...they stage this in the attic of a church. Prior works include making mixtapes for other third rate plays. From centerstagechicago.com... City Lit is located on the second floor of a church, down the hall from the main stairwell. It's a good sized space designed as a thrust, and is intimate enough that there aren't really any bad seats. When walking there from the Bryn Mawr Red Line stop, there's (naturally) a Starbucks on the way and a great restaurant, Mia Francesca's, is right across the street. Mr Yamoda...you are not worthy of judging O)+> It really wouldn't matter if his latest artistic contribution was playing water glasses on the hood of a broken down Pinto at the intersection of So What and Who Gives A Damn. Those that can...do! Those that can't usually sit their asses back and critique those that can! It's the American way! His latest artistic critique is on Yahoo Music and spreading fast! [Edited 5/8/09 16:46pm] I knew from the start that I loved you with all my heart. | |
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The guy is spot on. Very uninspired album. There are a few good songs, but yeah I think I can agree that Prince has done and CAN do much better than Lotusflower/MPLSound. Planet Earth is Purple Rain compared to Lotus/MPLS/Elixir
I can appreciate this guy's opinion though, and I think all of you should too. Why? Because he honestly seems like a fan himself. He doesn't compare the new albums to Purple Rain (though he does reference a couple of tracks) moreso than he compares them to his RECENT work with Planet Earth and Rainbow Children which is some of best work this decade IMHO. Very constructive criticism Prince should listen to. Prince is definitely capable of much better work. Hope he's listening. [Edited 5/8/09 17:00pm] "The voter is less important than the man who provides money to the candidate," - Former Supreme Court Justice John Paul Stevens
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i don't know why this yahoo article decided to focus solely on prince. what are those who are supposedly considered his "peers" up to these days? is madonna still wowing them like she used to? what's michael jackson done in the past 2 decades?
i think a much more interesting article would be to compare and contrast the relationship between aging 80s icons and their aging fans, as opposed to the last generation of aging pop stars and their baby boomer fans. going after prince specifically seems a bit like shooting fish in a barrel. | |
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What I would like to know is how this "blogger" gains so much credibility that he makes the Yahoo headlines! What about some of the good reviews from reputable sources....Where are they?
In regards to his statement "as long as Prince isn't going to push the soul-funk envelope,"- I completely disagree with this.Prince still pushes the envelope with his more subtle lyrical innuendos and with his Hendrix style guitar playing. Furthermore, I get the distinct impression that he wants the 80's Prince back, yet is unrealistic with the fact that we all grow and change.I certainly don't want the "80's ME" back! Wake up!......Wake up! | |
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stanleylieber said: theums said: Sounds like ENVY spewing from the pen of a failed musician...
I did some research and Mr Yamodas latest artistic contribution consists of making a Jimi Hendrix mixtape for an all-asian rewrite of a more famous play...they stage this in the attic of a church. Prior works include making mixtapes for other third rate plays. From centerstagechicago.com... City Lit is located on the second floor of a church, down the hall from the main stairwell. It's a good sized space designed as a thrust, and is intimate enough that there aren't really any bad seats. When walking there from the Bryn Mawr Red Line stop, there's (naturally) a Starbucks on the way and a great restaurant, Mia Francesca's, is right across the street. Mr Yamoda...you are not worthy of judging O)+> In that case, neither are you. According to you, none of the positive posts about Prince's music on this site, none of the millions of records he has sold to regular folks like you and me, count for anything. The only opinions of Prince that count are from people who have matched or exceeded Prince's accomplishments. Small club.* (* No pun intended.) Unlike you...I don't pretend to be a critic or web journalist. If you're gonna link to a webpage you designed...you might want to have more than 5 pages of content...wait...3 if you don't count what you cut and pasted from wikipedia. Seriously...I made better looking websites ten years ago with html version 1.0. I will concede that my opinion is worth the same as all others on the org... and that eric clapton or paul mccartneys opinion is worth infinitely more. When you give yourself the title of "music critic" you need to have accomplished something of significance musically or you have no credibility. www.secureenough2notmakeawebpage.com | |
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to each their own. | |
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Anxiety said: i don't know why this yahoo article decided to focus solely on prince. what are those who are supposedly considered his "peers" up to these days? is madonna still wowing them like she used to? what's michael jackson done in the past 2 decades?
I don't know where they are...but I know where the hell they AREN'T! They aren't doing multiple nights on Leno, doing multiple heavily hyped shows in a single evening in LA, going on Ellen, sitting down for double interviews with Tavis, going back on Leno again this month (well...that just might be up in the air, right about now. ) in an all out effort to peddle some cash from the MASSES of some less than stellar material, even at the bargain basement price of 11.98 and a seriously dysfunctional automatically renewable website at $77.00 and an Opus at the eyepopping $2100.00 for the chance to bid on an I don't even want to think about the final price tag will be bid at the chance winning an private concert! As my dearly departed mother used to tell me...don't let your appetite overrule your ass because you might just get more than you bargained for! Mother KNOWS! I knew from the start that I loved you with all my heart. | |
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Picked up this comment from the blog regarding this article, from John M.I think it's spot on.
whts up world? i been listening 2 prince since 1978 and just like i tell everybody if u aint a true prince fan u aint gonna like his music plain and simple..hes a musical genius..rock & roll hall of famer....he writes produces and composes all of his music since day 1...u people have to understand prince makes his music for his ears from his heart...he always has...and will come at u from all angles... these three cds just show how much versatility he has as an artist...u never know wht 2 expect from the pupleman...2 words-unpredictable licks...thats just who he was-is -and always will b...so please...dont hate..same prince different day...its 2009 and im still on the purple banwagon....nowletmegetback2thelotus.... | |
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just like he said....writers wrte fo each other..... THE B EST BE YOURSELF AS LONG AS YOUR SELF ISNT A DYCK[/r]
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theums said: stanleylieber said: In that case, neither are you. According to you, none of the positive posts about Prince's music on this site, none of the millions of records he has sold to regular folks like you and me, count for anything. The only opinions of Prince that count are from people who have matched or exceeded Prince's accomplishments. Small club.* (* No pun intended.) Unlike you...I don't pretend to be a critic or web journalist. If you're gonna link to a webpage you designed...you might want to have more than 5 pages of content...wait...3 if you don't count what you cut and pasted from wikipedia. Seriously...I made better looking websites ten years ago with html version 1.0. I will concede that my opinion is worth the same as all others on the org... and that eric clapton or paul mccartneys opinion is worth infinitely more. When you give yourself the title of "music critic" you need to have accomplished something of significance musically or you have no credibility. www.secureenough2notmakeawebpage.com Oh come on I am obviously more important than Eric Clapton or Paul McCartney. it's time for a new direction / it's time for jazz to die | |
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GetAwayFromMe said: npggirl77 said: I cannot honestly point out one song on either of the latest albums that sound lazy or "goopy-sounding". I can....ALL OF THEM! Well...that is your take..and that is cool. But not my take. [Edited 5/8/09 18:16pm] -you ain't funky at all, you just a little ol' prude! | |
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gay.ass.ttthhhhhrrrrread. THE B EST BE YOURSELF AS LONG AS YOUR SELF ISNT A DYCK[/r]
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Im so sick of these posts.
people are never satisfied. i really hope he doesnt take these reviews in and i hope he keeps on doing him and not worrying about pleasing the world. he said in his interview that he now makes music "when he feels like it" and with all his success and achievements theres no way he has anything else to prove to any one. Hes exactly where he should be. let the man rest. he is 50, still funky, still fine and still arguably more famous than michael jackson IMO. i bet if these journalists or 'haters' met with him or got to go to one of his concerts theyd shut the h*** up with all the negative reviews. (haters on left, me on right) | |
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Anxiety said: i don't know why this yahoo article decided to focus solely on prince. what are those who are supposedly considered his "peers" up to these days? is madonna still wowing them like she used to? what's michael jackson done in the past 2 decades?
i think a much more interesting article would be to compare and contrast the relationship between aging 80s icons and their aging fans, as opposed to the last generation of aging pop stars and their baby boomer fans. going after prince specifically seems a bit like shooting fish in a barrel. | |
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Thanks for posting.
The article itself is too long, don't have the attention span to read it though. | |
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stanleylieber said: buttcheeks said: To all the haters on the Internet... No More Candy 4 U ! What is that supposed to mean, though? It's not like Prince is giving away anything for free that he can withhold from people he deems to be "haters." I just listened to all three CDs again on a long drive, just to give him the benefit of the doubt. The ONLY good song is Dreamer in my opinion, made me think just a tad. All of the others left me either laughing out loud or shaking my head at the very bad lyrics. And for Prince, no more money 4 U. At least not until you take your music seriously again. | |
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It's true you can't compare the new 3cd set with the classics like Purple Rain,
but the Lotusflower 3cd set is still good, imo.... this would make a great 1-cd: 1. Crimson & Clover 2. Boom 3. Colonized Mind 4. 4Ever 5. Feel Better, Feel Good, Feel Wonderful 6. $ 7. Dreamer 8. (There'll Never B) Another Like Me 9. Dance 4 Me 10. Ol' Skool Company [Edited 5/8/09 19:20pm] Prince 4Ever. | |
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SirenaGorda said: to tell you the truth in the matter
La Sirena GordaDrains the main vein everytime Well, that's alwaya good to know Facebook, I haz it - https://www.facebook.com/Nikster1969
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stanleylieber said: Planet Earth is not my favorite Prince album but I do think I like it better than the two new ones. Elixer is better than all three. You CANNOT be serious! Planet Barf was a steaming pile of . Elixer is better than that, but again, it doesn't take much to be better than . No way would I say Bria's "singing" (and I use that term loosely) is better than Lotusflower or MPLSound. . [Edited 5/8/09 19:42pm] The check. The string he dropped. The Mona Lisa. The musical notes taken out of a hat. The glass. The toy shotgun painting. The things he found. Therefore, everything seen–every object, that is, plus the process of looking at it–is a Duchamp. | |
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i will say that i really like the production on elixer...it doesn't matter if it's bria or a drunk-ass dolphin singing the lead vocals, the album sounds nice. and for a prince project it's very consistent and focused. i wouldn't go as far as what stanley's saying, but i think elixer is a lot better than most people give it credit for...if you listen to it as a showcase for prince's talents instead of trying to squeeze something out of bria's presence on that album, you'll have a much better time with the music. | |
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dannyd5050 said: http://new.music.yahoo.com/blogs/rocksbackpages/9319/purple-drain-is-it-time-to-give-up-on-the-prince-we-all-want/
Purple Drain: Is It Time To Give Up On The Prince We All Want? Posted Thu May 7, 2009 11:10am PDT by Paul Yamada in Rock's Backpages Paul Yamada on two more pointless chapters in the slow-death decline of a once-mighty talent.--Barney Hoskyns, Editorial Director, Rock's Backpages On the final Sunday of March, Prince released a three-CD set. Two of the albums are his music with his band; the other is by a young female singer, Bria Valente. He appeared on Jay Leno's Tonight Show the preceding Wednesday, Thursday, and Friday to promote the package, which at present is only available at Target. The CD entitled lotusflow3r is a pastiche of slightly hard rock, proggy, Hendrix-influenced guitar playing, familiar pop-rock, and powerpop. It certainly does not herald any new or different aspirations, and though it has an up-to-date production and "finish" to the sound and production quality, this recording may very well remind his longtime fans of Purple Rain. Or at least Purple Rain without anything as exciting as "When Doves Cry," or the more surging, ecstatic moments of "Let's Go Crazy." While the contents are polished and well-played, and for the most part easy to listen to, this music makes me wonder if there is a marketing and audience grab involved, and if so, how many fans or former fans will bite? I also wonder if other listeners will respond like I did, and think that Prince didn't have to work very hard to make this record. Purple Rain was a hit a long time ago--25 years?--and the crossover audience and crowds he drew began to thin out by the time he released "Alphabet Street," or at least that is how I've perceived the trajectory of his career over the past 20-plus years. The other CD, mplsound, is more disappointing. It does not impress either as (funky) dance music or as pleasant R&B. It is actually kind of boring, which seems quite a damning thing to ascribe to music by Prince. BORING. Is there still an audience for Prince the rocker, the guitar hero who seems bound to remind us that he can ape Jimi Hendrix? What happened to the Prince who made riveting soul, funk, and jazz-tinged R&B records? What happened to the funky, slinky, jazzy Prince on guitar? He showed some of that stripped-down flash at the end of his third night on Leno: crisp, clean, funky, chicken-fried licks, delivered with an old-fashioned, lean-and-mean tone, a tone you might hear a "jazz guitarist" using in an organ (B3) and sax trio or quartet. Now, this is the Prince I'm always excited about: a guitarist who can not only evoke the best aspects of funk and soul from 1966 to 1976, but who could also be the axeman in that B3 group, and burn it down like maybe no one else could but Melvin Sparks, or Rodney Jones, having a particularly fine night. There are moments of this evocative guitar playing IN THE BACKGROUND of tracks on mplsound, but nothing more. Most of the lead guitar Prince plays on both discs is the "over-the-top-Hendrix"-sounding stuff, with lots of boost and sustain, and very little old-fashioned dirt, like it all comes from a pedal or a computer setting. Where has the invention and the lean, probing, rhythmic drive gone? Now that I've mentioned rhythmic drive, where has that gone? To assembly line "church," since the drums and bass playing on these discs often resembles what gets churned out on commercial, run-of-the-mill, jubilee gospel recordings: little or no variation, no substitutions, no drive, and certainly no playing that can push a guitarist, much less interact with the playing. In sustaining some energy level, the rhythm tracks relate to the hum-drum, same-ole same-ole you can hear jumping from Christian channel to Christian channel on Saturday night or early Sunday morning: NOW AIN'T THAT GOOD NEWS?! No, because there's more going on between the bass pedals of the organ player and drummer on a Davis Sisters 45 on Savoy than there is on both of these Prince CDs, as far as bass and drums goes. If this is "give up the funk," I'd rather listen to Denise LaSalle file her nails, because that would be some scratchy rhythm! Now that's enough with the complaints because they beg the question; as long as Prince isn't going to push the soul-funk envelope, embracing the tradition--now that he is 50--is not such a bad idea. Can you imagine what it would be like if he strapped on that sky-blue Stratocaster--or better still, a Gibson Super 400--and opened with 10 minutes of Johnnie Taylor's "Little Bluebird"? And then continued in that fashion with a workout of Taylor's "Jody," in different tempo? Yeah, and he's got a four-piece horn section along with B3, bass, and drums. After "Jody" he's really hot and slams into "Sexy MF." Then a souped-up version of "Chelsea Rodgers," a stunning version of "She Loves Me 4 Me," which showcases his "soul guitar" playing, and he wraps it up with a pumping, over-the-top rendition of "1+1+1 is 3." Yeah, it wouldn't be an hour-long set, but it would be a great one. At present, I don't think anything like this will ever happen, as Prince has kind of become enigmatic and perhaps unconscious. He needs to realize that his old music is still great, especially the increasingly funky and soulful material he has laid down beginning with Sign O' The Times through the recent Planet Earth--though some of what he's done since Rave Un2 The Dawn is cliché and ballast--embrace it, and embrace not just the tradition he clearly understands and cares about, but use it to push the envelope in new and different ways, establishing him as a funk and soul man that could blow away most of the retro "revues" that are out there playing for kids who think you can get good chicken-fried steak at Boston Market, or worse, who think that the expression "bone fish" is really a Fishbone EP they've never heard. It really isn't worth continuing to dream, or pick at these two Prince CDs. He's not going to do that amazing "Jody" workout. He's not going to give up doing lazy, goopy-sounding, '"quiet storm-like" tunes that even Donny Hathaway couldn't have re-arranged into anything worth listening to. If you have most, or all of Prince's recordings, like I do, go ahead and buy it. I think you will agree that Planet Earth is much, MUCH better, and much less confused, less familiar and trite, by the man's own "standards," so to speak. I'd say the same for a chunk of Rainbow Children. So buy it, if you will; and if you do like it, please go on to discover some of his better music from this decade. Read dozens more Prince interviews and reviews at www.rocksbackpages.com. Over 14,000 articles by the greatest writers from the finest rock publications of the last 40 years. Like I said on the other duplicate thread...This articles title gives it's meaning a flushing appeal. I think this woman has chomped on too many beat-up typewriters...No More Candy 4 her. "The Lion Sleeps Tonight... | |
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ZiggmanZoo said: Picked up this comment from the blog regarding this article, from John M.I think it's spot on.
whts up world? i been listening 2 prince since 1978 and just like i tell everybody if u aint a true prince fan u aint gonna like his music plain and simple..hes a musical genius..rock & roll hall of famer....he writes produces and composes all of his music since day 1...u people have to understand prince makes his music for his ears from his heart...he always has...and will come at u from all angles... these three cds just show how much versatility he has as an artist...u never know wht 2 expect from the pupleman...2 words-unpredictable licks...thats just who he was-is -and always will b...so please...dont hate..same prince different day...its 2009 and im still on the purple banwagon....nowletmegetback2thelotus.... Oh really now? You ask John M...so what the fuck am I? Chopped liver? I've been listening to Prince since 1978...from the tender age of 8 years old! I was RAISED on Prince's music! You best and believe that I consider myself a TRUE Prince FAN but I just ain't feeling his NEW music! I KNOW he's musical genius! I KNOW he is a Rock & Roll Hall of Famer! I KNOW he has written, produced and composed all of his music since Day 1! You tell...John M...that I don't have to UNDERSTAND a damn thing...when it comes to Prince because...the Prince that I KNOW and will ALWAYS love INSTILLED that in me...a long time ago! I RAISED MYSELF to be in the NEW BREED! Not because it was the popular choice! Not because it was the only thing going! Not because it was the easiest thing to do! I did it because it is what spoke to my spirit, made me think and helped me grow as a person! BECAUSE of Prince and his wonderful, incredible music...to this very day...I'm not afraid to say shit stanks...when it I KNOW that it DOES!! I KNOW that I don't have to be...even if that shit is coming from PRINCE...himself! Which for the last several years...it indeed has been! That whole...Prince makes his music for his ears from his heart...is just some distracting bullshit because for whatever his reasons...this new Prince is all about making music for the MASSES and the pockets of the GREEDY! It's like we've been living through some Invasion Of The Body Snatchers Nightmare type shit because I don't even recognize MY Prince anymore! I haven't seen any signs of HIM in quite a long while!! [Edited 5/8/09 20:40pm] I knew from the start that I loved you with all my heart. | |
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Anxiety said: i will say that i really like the production on elixer...it doesn't matter if it's bria or a drunk-ass dolphin singing the lead vocals, the album sounds nice. and for a prince project it's very consistent and focused. i wouldn't go as far as what stanley's saying, but i think elixer is a lot better than most people give it credit for...if you listen to it as a showcase for prince's talents instead of trying to squeeze something out of bria's presence on that album, you'll have a much better time with the music.
Agreed! It definitely reflects P's genius and creativity....and I am personally enjoying Elixer more since the first time you encouraged us to listen to it from that perspective. Thanks Anxiety! Wake up!......Wake up! | |
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Anxiety said: he had me up until the "planet earth is much, much better" part.
when i got to that paragraph, i was like STEP AWAY FROM THE CRACK PIPE. I'm sayin'...dude was smokin' some good stuff when he wrote that. His writing was all over the place and didn't really give me a clear idea of what the hell he wants to hear. I dig Lotusflower and much of Mplsound as well...what I'm really sick of is every other post using the "no more candy" phrase. Enough already. [Edited 5/8/09 20:41pm] Prince, in you I found a kindred spirit...Rest In Paradise. | |
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