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PrintableL4OATheOriginal said: PEJ said: I like the preaching cuz to me it ain't preaching its just telling it how he sees it. BTW I am not by any means a JW not even if he came to my front door.  and that's the bottom line right there ..because one's spirtial plane doesn't mesh with another's then the whole "preaching" aspect comes 2 it. i find it funny that some will say the "preaching" on lovesexy they don't mind but on TRC they do. contridictions r abundant.
and 4 the record..I LOVE THIS ALBUM from beginning 2 end There is no preaching on Lovesexy. 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: There is no preaching on Lovesexy.
And that is the glaring difference between these two "spiritual" albums.  [Edited 5/1/09 12:33pm] | |
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: purplecam said: The Rainbow Children was the first Prince CD that I was scared to buy. I had heard so many differing reports about the CD from the Celebration in June that year up until it came out and I had never heard so many different and opposing opinions about 1 CD, let alone a Prince CD. I didn't know what to expect. I just knew that I had to go into it with an open mind. After hearing it the 1st time that night, I thought, "Man this CD is weird but cool" and I hadn't felt that way about a Prince CD since Lovesexy, which took over 10 years for me to love. I kept on playing it and I realized that it was a great album. It's not my absolute favorite as there are other before and since that I love more but it's in my top 15 Prince CD's. I've always looked at TRC as a story not to be taken literally or personally. Funny thing for me is that it took 2 years after the CD came out for me to see the JW stuff in there but it still didn't take away from it being a "story" in my eyes, even if there were thing in there that I agreed & disagreed with. The Darth Vader/Bob George voice never bothered me either. I saw him as a Narrator of the story.
One thing I got to add is that I have to be in the mood to listen to this CD. There are only 1 or 2 songs I can listen to on there own but it's so much beter to hear it in one shot. I get the full effect with it. I always knew after hearing it that the CD was going to have a love/hate thing going on and boy oh boy did it ever. No other Prince CD has gotten the response of both extremes in such a big way before or since. That right there is a major accomplishment.  Are you surprised it's my favorite of the Decade?!  Slightly just from a lyrical standpoint but overall no I'm not. It hit you the way that it hit you and that's cool. The others didn't, at least not in the way TRC did apparently. That's cool too.   I'm not a fan of "old Prince". I'm not a fan of "new Prince". I'm just a fan of Prince. Simple as that | |
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ernestsewell said: SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: There is no preaching on Lovesexy.
And that is the glaring difference between these two "spiritual" albums.
[Edited 5/1/09 12:33pm] I'm VERY into concept albums and even though I do not get into the lyrics it's like being a zoo keeper who has to feed baby rabbits to the snake or an observer as lions attack a gazelle. Uncomfortable but necessary
I wish this album were the ONLY foray into the direct expression of his current faith. It says everything that needs to be said. The rest of the JW stuff before and after is just bloat. Concept = 10 
Music = 10
Lyrics = 4 if that
It has most of what I love about Prince, there is total vision here and total hunger. It shows. . [Edited 5/1/09 12:41pm] 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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Musically it's fabulous. What a change in music he made!
Most times I succeed in not listening to the lyrics at all. | |
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I seriously wish there was a video for Mello or Muse to the Pharoah. I'm glad he at least performed a few from this album live.. | |
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I have tried to appreciate it, especially musicwise, for quite some time even, but sorry, i still think its a disaster of an album.
Why? First. Its easy to say: forget that 'Darth Vader'-voice and those dogmatic lyrics, and simply listen to the music, but that is just not how it works for me. Both these elements simply keep spoiling my listening-experience. To me they give this album an unsettling, claustrophobic vibe I simply can't stand. And, EVEN without those elements I think this album is simply overrated. The overall sound might be more 'organic' then the plastic funk that came before it (New Power Soul, Rave), but there is nothing on it that Prince hasnt done before. Large parts of the album remind me of seventies jazz-rock. A sort of music of I really have nothing with: technically 'impressive' maybe, but lacking soul in the first place. John Blackwell might be a talented drummer, Prince might act uncompromising on this album. But they don't really touch me. So it keeps staying where it is for me: in the lowest regions of Princes albums. To be more precise: his 3 worst albums for me are New Power Soul, The Rainbow Children and MPLsound. | |
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purplecam said: It hit you the way that it hit you and that's cool. The others didn't, at least not in the way TRC did apparently. That's cool too.
Uh, sorry no fencesitting in this thread! 
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: purplecam said: It hit you the way that it hit you and that's cool. The others didn't, at least not in the way TRC did apparently. That's cool too.
Uh, sorry no fencesitting in this thread!
Fencesitting?! Not me baby. You want me to be confrontational with you and there's no need for that. I'm glad you like TRC. Tah-Daaaaa! I'm not a fan of "old Prince". I'm not a fan of "new Prince". I'm just a fan of Prince. Simple as that | |
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purplecam said: SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: Uh, sorry no fencesitting in this thread!
Fencesitting?! Not me baby. You want me to be confrontational with you and there's no need for that. I'm glad you like TRC. Tah-Daaaaa! It's good for you and not for others and everyone is different but we're all the same. NO BS IN THIS THREAD! 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: purplecam said: Fencesitting?! Not me baby. You want me to be confrontational with you and there's no need for that. I'm glad you like TRC. Tah-Daaaaa! It's good for you and not for others and everyone is different but we're all the same. NO BS IN THIS THREAD!  I'll just laugh. I'm not a fan of "old Prince". I'm not a fan of "new Prince". I'm just a fan of Prince. Simple as that | |
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TBeatty716 said: OldFriends4Sale said: But those who get upse over the 'religious' references that aren't all that preachy are bigots. Sorry, but Prince as always talked about stuff like this, he is just more defined with the JW and the few songs on the album that really expessed it aren't all that obvious It doesn't really make you a bigot if you're turned-off by stuff like this: "Like a thief in the night, my lord come and strike Leave nothing but ashes to the left, dust to the right Holocaust aside, many lived and died But when all truth is told, Would u rather be dead or be sold?" "The Wise One who understood the law that was handed down from God long ago reflected the true meaning to his woman every day. And she surrendered her discerning of it into his care and keeping She trusted he would lead in the right way. Her children in subjection to her, and she in subjection to the Wise One. All is in subjection to God." "See we're living in a system that the devil designed And suffering from this devil's most heinous crime He's tried to keep us from the reason we were born That is to be the living truth in human form" "Stay with me baby But let me tell you how it's gonna be There's a theocratic order. There's a theocratic order now. This is how it's gonna be If u wanna be with me Ain't no room for disagree 1+1+1 is 3" could u highlight the sentence or sentences that ur offended by please? man, he has such an amazing body of music that it's sad to see him constrict it down to the basics. he's too talented for the lineup he's doing. estelle 81 | |
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purplecam said: SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: It's good for you and not for others and everyone is different but we're all the same. NO BS IN THIS THREAD! I'll just laugh. OK Fencesitter 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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I remember when I first heard TRC. The return to a concept album- of - sorts. I didn't, and still don't, dig the JW heavy lyrics but I love the musicianship. there are some great tracks on there, IMO. Love the live band vibe and the ONA tour - altho I was unable to go at that time, sounded and looked great. I see this as a point in time where Prince just done his own thing and delivered a great album at the same time.
Much prefer this to, say, Musicology. Less safe, less 'for the masses'. but then, I guess that was the whole point. It wasn't for the masses. | |
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it's okay, not one of my faves. | |
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L4OATheOriginal said: TBeatty716 said: It doesn't really make you a bigot if you're turned-off by stuff like this: "Like a thief in the night, my lord come and strike Leave nothing but ashes to the left, dust to the right Holocaust aside, many lived and died But when all truth is told, Would u rather be dead or be sold?" "The Wise One who understood the law that was handed down from God long ago reflected the true meaning to his woman every day. And she surrendered her discerning of it into his care and keeping She trusted he would lead in the right way. Her children in subjection to her, and she in subjection to the Wise One. All is in subjection to God." "See we're living in a system that the devil designed And suffering from this devil's most heinous crime He's tried to keep us from the reason we were born That is to be the living truth in human form" "Stay with me baby But let me tell you how it's gonna be There's a theocratic order. There's a theocratic order now. This is how it's gonna be If u wanna be with me Ain't no room for disagree 1+1+1 is 3" could u highlight the sentence or sentences that ur offended by please? Dragging the Holocaust into the crime against black slaves was unneccessary and the subjegation of women is in there. I'll let him address the rest 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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Dragging the Holocaust into the crime against black slaves was unneccessary and the subjegation of women is in there. I'll let him address the rest
Look out...lol You gonna get a lot of reactions by people now who try to explain he didn't literally mean it. 
That simply doesn't matter. It is just a matter of bad taste of comparing these two 'evils' in the very awkward way like Prince does on that album. Prince never has been a 'light' when it comes to writing political lyrics, but on the Rainbow Children he even surpasses himself in imbecility. | |
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This is an xceptionally fantastic album...it rerally soothes and inspires me...eye love it in every way:)
Bad omens 2 those who think otherwise. | |
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RC is DISGUSTING | |
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PurpleRain747 said: This is an xceptionally fantastic album...it rerally soothes and inspires me...eye love it in every way:)
Bad omens 2 those who think otherwise. Better watch those veild curses. Some of us have really strong mirrors 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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I think it's one he needed to make. For himself, to get some things off his chest and to re-ignite that spark of interest in creating music instead of tossing off endless crap like Rave and the NPGMC stuff.
Musically, I think it's great. And I don't even mind the Darth Vader voice. But lyrically, he's at his most irritating, in almost every way I can imagine, and I'm not even talking about just the JW stuff. But I suppose that source of irritation is what makes it somewhat interesting. | |
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ernestsewell said: pepper7 said: At the moment I really don't like it!
But I bet in 10 years time I'll be eatting my words.. As usual Prince is probably way ahead of us!  It's been almost 10 years since it's release. If you don't like it now, you probably won't in another 10. But don't tell anyone here that. They're snarky when it comes to their TRC cds. hehehehe Actually you're right. I was really trying to be positive but fuck it I don't particularly like it. Well, what I mean is I don't like it compared to his other stuff as much. Which in essence means I don't dislike it. It's still Prince and I would listen to him sing in the bath (if only!) But Lovesexy has a different vibe. It's free and honest whereas I don't get that feeling with Rainbow Children. It's funny the other day I was watching a documentary on Prince and Paul Gambercini (and he's a massive Prince fan - who truly worshipped him) was discussing Lovesexy saying how rubbish it was etc. Saying the only descent song was Alphabet Street. It made me smile because I think a lot of us just didn't really 'get' it at the time. Me included. Prince why do you do this to us?? Your music is such a mystery!!! But in a good way.... Shut up already, damn. | |
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PEJ said: stanleylieber said: it's not the preaching per se, it's the content of the preaching. 'lovesexy's' lyrical content doesn't offend me.
I like the preaching cuz to me it ain't preaching its just telling it how he sees it. BTW I am not by any means a JW not even if he came to my front door. i like that aspect of it too, i just think a lot of the lyrical content is mean spirited and negative. ironic, eh. it's time for a new direction / it's time for jazz to die | |
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padawan said: The Rainbow Children is Lovesexy as a full grown adult. An intolerant, narrow-minded adult, but an adult nonetheless.
The Bob George voice says it all. It's pretty much that same character, only instead of a glowering husband, it's now a glowering Old Testament God. The Bob George/Spooky Electric voice, after all, was the counterpoint to Camille. The slowed down adult voice versus the sped up child voice. And now, that deep voice serves as narrator for a whole album. Bob George has taken over. "I pay the rent in this motherfucker. And all you do is suck up food and heat!" That's the basic sentiment behind The Rainbow Children, innit? It also sums up his attitude toward fans. Look at Prince's post-TRC career. He's all business now. Cleaning up his lyrics, filing lawsuits, making deals, getting paid. Prince the idealist, the childlike innocent, died with The Rainbow Children. It was a decade-long death rattle, actually. Which explains all his death imagery in the 90s. He resisted adulthood as long as he could, but it eventually caught up to him. The Rainbow Children was Prince's belated bar mitzvah. i agree with this, for the most part. it's time for a new direction / it's time for jazz to die | |
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OldFriends4Sale said: Rainbow Children is awesome and refreshing
so what the deep voice is irritating, and people need to get over his JW association, he doesn't live 4 U, he may continue in it, he may leave later But those who get upse over the 'religious' references that aren't all that preachy are bigots. Sorry, but Prince as always talked about stuff like this, he is just more defined with the JW and the few songs on the album that really expessed it aren't all that obvious Rainbow Children as a song is sexy (forget that voice which is only at the beginning and a touch at the end) it's a hot song Digital Garden as an instrumental Everywhere musically is wonderful The Sensual Everafter Mellow 1+1+1 = 3 the Everlasting Now She Loves Me 4 Me Last December What is so unlistenable about these songs... NOTHING [Edited 5/1/09 8:45am] you have to admit there is a fair amount of hate in this record that was not entirely evident in previous records. prince was always angry but it was usually over something personal. in this record he finds a reason to extend the hate towards entire races of people and even entire genders. it's time for a new direction / it's time for jazz to die | |
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: L4OATheOriginal said: and that's the bottom line right there ..because one's spirtial plane doesn't mesh with another's then the whole "preaching" aspect comes 2 it. i find it funny that some will say the "preaching" on lovesexy they don't mind but on TRC they do. contridictions r abundant.
and 4 the record..I LOVE THIS ALBUM from beginning 2 end There is no preaching on Lovesexy. When I went to the LOVESEXY concert the thought of Prince sounding like he was preaching did cross my mind during the speaking parts. Personally I accepted his opinions as what he believed. I thought at the time that he seems he is strong in his beliefs but I was confused as to what his beliefs truly were. I specifically remember he spoke of God and Jesus in that show . I still didn't know if he was Christian or Catholic at the time because everything prior to that era was so raunchy at times. He sang Erotic City, Housequake, and Bob George etc sayin fuck so pretty u and me/bullshit/motherfucka yet in the second half rebirth part of the show it was all about LOve is God God is Love then he topped it off with the Let's go Fuckin Crazy chant. To Sir, with Love | |
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stanleylieber said: PEJ said: I like the preaching cuz to me it ain't preaching its just telling it how he sees it. BTW I am not by any means a JW not even if he came to my front door. i like that aspect of it too, i just think a lot of the lyrical content is mean spirited and negative. ironic, eh. negative? I never listened to that album and thought he was being negative.  I can barely I understand what he's saying in the slowed down voice but I always loved when he used that voice in a lot of his past songs. Like Scarlet Pussy, Bob George, and as Tora Tora. i like it when others use it too like Dr. Dre. Its creepy.To Sir, with Love | |
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L4OATheOriginal said: PEJ said: I like the preaching cuz to me it ain't preaching its just telling it how he sees it. BTW I am not by any means a JW not even if he came to my front door. and that's the bottom line right there ..because one's spirtial plane doesn't mesh with another's then the whole "preaching" aspect comes 2 it. i find it funny that some will say the "preaching" on lovesexy they don't mind but on TRC they do. contridictions r abundant.
and 4 the record..I LOVE THIS ALBUM from beginning 2 end but it's not necessarily a contradiction. the message of 'trc' is significantly different than that of 'lovesexy.' it's time for a new direction / it's time for jazz to die | |
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I just love 1+1+1 Is 3, and the Everlasting Now | |
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PEJ said: stanleylieber said: i like that aspect of it too, i just think a lot of the lyrical content is mean spirited and negative. ironic, eh. negative? I never listened to that album and thought he was being negative. I can barely I understand what he's saying in the slowed down voice but I always loved when he used that voice in a lot of his past songs. Like Scarlet Pussy, Bob George, and as Tora Tora. i like it when others use it too like Dr. Dre. Its creepy.hell, i actually like the darth vader voice on 'trc.' just not what it's saying.
as much as i love 'trc,' it actually put me off of prince for a few years. i listened to it a lot but it caused me to see everything he's done since then through the filter of what we now know he believes. i think 'elixir' is fantastic musically (though it is ultimately an extension of the 'trc' message, through female eyes), and it's honestly the first thing since 'trc' that i haven't got bored with fairly quickly. he's just not about what he used to be about. i don't hate him for it, but at the same time i can't pretend it appeals to me. it's time for a new direction / it's time for jazz to die | |
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