PEJ said:

and that's the bottom line right there ..because one's spirtial plane doesn't mesh with another's then the whole "preaching" aspect comes 2 it. i find it funny that some will say the "preaching" on lovesexy they don't mind but on TRC they do. contridictions r abundant.


and 4 the record..I LOVE THIS ALBUM from beginning 2 end

at least he didn't join the nation of islam.

L4OATheOriginal said:

all people are equal vs the theocratic order.

all people are equal vs all the important people in the bible were black and white people have been pulling them down since the hyksos displaced the old dynasty.

all people are equal vs "the accurate knowledge of god's law" creating a class system with the baptized on top and those who don't know "the truth" on the bottom.

prince had been working up to this since 1992 but it finally emerged in full form in 2000/2001.

the dude used to preach love and now he preaches the sanctity of the theocratic order. it might not make much difference to you, but it makes a difference to me.

OldFriends4Sale said:

i don't see it as a list. prince asks, "would you rather..." -- that's not a list.

he's comparing black slavery to the holocaust and saying black slavery was worse.

stanleylieber said:

so in essence every other organized religion vs ur own personal choice of belief

L4OATheOriginal said:

remember what we're talking about here. we're talking about why some folks find prince's new philosophy distasteful and why they might have a problem with the lyrical content of 'trc.' i'm not saying prince has to change. i'm explaining how 'trc' is different from 'lovesexy,' and why i can get behind the message of 'lovesexy' even though i don't believe in god. 'trc' doesn't leave me that option, because so much of its logic rests on assumptions i'm not willing to accept.

when the trc children 1st came out, i thought he made the mistake of releasing this album as opposed 2 the tracks on the npgmc, but i'm really glad he did cause 4 me i find a lot of spirtual uplifting in it. no i'm not a JW nor part of any organized religion. i just took just the love of God that is being presented just as i did with lovesexy. but if u or anyone else doesn't like the album that's fine. i just think that one's own personal relationship with religion sparks so much disgust 4 this album and not being truthful on y they hate this album.

at least he didn't join the nation of islam.

stanleylieber said:

if he did and made an album would that message make you angry too?

at least he didn't join the nation of islam.

stanleylieber said:

OMG CAN YOU IMAGINE THE ATROCITY THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN?????

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

Co-sign.

THE PREACHER

In the time when I made listen to Lovesexy around me I still remember persons who weren't into the mystic of the album and preferred for most part a title like "Alphabet Street".

I would'nt say that there's no difference between the 2 albums... but what I notice it is that they are 2 only "real" concept albums of its work and I do not think whether it is a fate if Prince finds us with Rainbow Children where he left us with Lovesexy.

Lovesexy "The Genesis" speaks about its meeting and its progress:

"Save me Jesus, I've been a fool
How could I forget that U are the rule
U are my God, I am Your child
From now on, 4 U I shall be wild
I shall be quick I shall be strong
I'll tell Your story, no matter how long (no matter how... no matter)..." - Anna Steisia



Rainbow Children "The Revelation" is the fulfillment of this progress:

"When I was lost and couldn't c my way
I used 2 follow what everybody say
Now I know that it's written in the heart
Now I'm ready, ready 2 start

Without God it wasn't there
Now I feel it Everywhere" - Everywhere


Where is the contradiction ?

IMO there's nothing new... the fact is that "Prince is a Preacher":

"Our Father, who art in Heaven, hallowed be thy name
Thy kingdom come, thy will be done on Earth as it is in Heaven
Give us this day our daily bread and forgive us our trespasses
As we forgive those who trespass against us
Lead us not into temptation but deliver us from evil
For thine is the kingdom and the power and the glory forever and ever" - Controversy


"Dearly beloved
We are gathered here today
2 get through this thing called life

Electric word life
It means forever and that's a mighty long time
But I'm here 2 tell u
There's something else
The afterworld" - Let's Go Crazy


"We all have our problems
Some are BIG, some are small
Soon all of our problems, y'all
Will be taken by the cross" - The Cross


"I've seen the future and it will be
I've seen the future and it works
And if there's life after, we will see
So I can't go like a jerk" - The Futur


"Love the one who is love, the one who gives us the power
The one who made everything, elephants and flowers
The one who will listen when all others will not
There will be peace 4 those who love god a lot" - Elephants & Flowers


"Thunder all thru the night
Promise to see Jesus in the morning light
Take my hand, it'll be alright
C'mon save your soul tonight" - Thunder


"Lord I might get tired,
But I, I've got 2 keep on (we sacrifice)
Walkin' down this road, (we sacrifice)
Keep on walkin' down this road (joy around the corner)
When I reach my destination (we sacrifice)
My name will be Victor

Amen" - The Sacrifice Of Victor


"Who gave U life when there was none at all?
Who gave the sun permission 2 rise up everyday? (Ooh, oh yes)
Let me tell it (Go'n)
If U ask God 2 love U longer
Every breath U take will make U stronger
Keepin' U happy (happy) and proud 2 call His name (Go'n and say it)
Jesus (Jesus)" - The Holy River


"Push it up, push it up 2 the sky
U don't have 2 have a plane 2 fly
If U listen 2 the truth and not the lie
Stop cryin', cryin'

In harmony, can't U see
Every color all in the same key
And that's the way Jah wants us 2 be
Start tryin', a-tryin' " - Push It Up


"Do U love your brother? (Everyday, everyday)
Do U love your sister? (Everyday, everyday)
Do U love us? (Everyday, everyday)
Do U love God? (Everyday, everyday)" - Everyday Is A Winding Road



You said no preachin'... !?

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

2 great horrors of human history one down 2 those of jewish faith and one due 2 skin tone..so it's listing 2 injustices of mankind

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

Then a zombie I must be because I don't see it.

L4OATheOriginal said:

But then he goes on to ask would you rather be dead or a slave. Nobody should ever have to answer that question!

stanleylieber said:

They are no worse than the JW

Both groups are created and controlled by the same people.

As malcolm x said.

All religious groups are there to CONTROL and manipulate.

Curious, can someone please point me to the detailed analysis about Lotusflower?

Thanks!

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

www.prince.org

ernestsewell said:

Nah, that place is mostly people telling each other they aren't "true fans."

goodlookingmofo said:

Their rhetoric is a little more blatantly hateful.

(Latter day Malcolm is my favorite Malcolm)

jw are VERY hateful. They HATE gay people and say anyone not believing their religion should be BANISHED.

the RC is a disgusting, hate filled album.

L4OATheOriginal said:

But then he goes on to ask would you rather be dead or a slave. Nobody should ever have to answer that question!

goodlookingmofo said:

Their rhetoric is a little more blatantly hateful.

(Latter day Malcolm is my favorite Malcolm)

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

Right, but many have. He doesn't say that either. He says would you rather be dead or be SOLD ?

Dayclear said:

so he should have wrote another line in the song 2 satisfy those that might have been offended instead of realizing what is already implied?

L4OATheOriginal said:

What he was [b]implying[/i] is that black slavery was worse than the Jewish Holocaust. That the Holocaust would be preferable to slavery.

None of us knows what goes on in Prince's mind but the lyrics seem clear enough. Context clues. Listen to the whole album.

stanleylieber said:

again he's a african american ..so the whole slavery issue would hit more at home with him or any one culture when it comes 2 either events of history..i've listend 2 the album many a times and still stand by that it's a great peice of art and would cue it up faster than i would say lovesexy which i do love as well.