SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

So am I, but to me, the big bad wolf is you.

Accujack said:

Nah, lil Red Riding Hood hasn't shaved her tumbleweeds in a while

Accujack said:

This ^^^^is what some folks don't seem to understand...

Although I hate the word "haters" (Sounds like a cop out to paint people who have the guts to criticize a celebrity/artist), it's becoming painfully obvious that certain individuals are becoming just as bad as the folks that think Prince walks on water...

The truth is there are not too many fan sites in which you hear folks talk about their favorite artist as if he/she raped their pet dog...lol...The Org tries to hard to prove itself...


I've said it once and I'll say it again...A lot of Prince fans are miserable sacks who pine for the old days....

Newsflash guys:

Fans of Madonna, U2, Bruce Springsteen, Metellica, and ect, ect, have moved on...They understand that their favorite act will never again capture their glory years...They criticize their favorite act within a reasonable frame of mind, and not throw out mindless chatter like, "How come Madonna doesn't use Twitter?"

They understand that they have the past albums to re-live the good ol days...They pay money to see these artists live in concert because they understand they are just that...fans. They understand that Madonna and likes don't owe them shit...lol...

Yet Prince fans, on both sides of the fence, from the folks that worship him on a deity level to the folks that think he's been a worthless hack that should have stopped after he fired Wendy & Lisa, have turned this site into a weird ass war zone...

There's no longer a place for the normal fan who digs Prince without all the drama...

But the irony?....At least the folks that worship Prince have an excuse to be at a "Prince fan" site...

What are the Wall's and Bart's of the Org excuse?

murph said:

It's not their fault Prince lost his mind after signing up for the org

murph said:




Nice post. I especially love these parts:

murph said:

There used to be lots of Prince fan sites out there, that had something to offer each and every type of Prince fan. That was until somebody named Prince couldn't handle not having to best site on the net about him. Actually, his sites usually came in 7th or 8th. He's the one that forced everybody to converge on the almost last fan site standing for discussions of his music and so forth. His own actions are the reason people who otherwise adored him are turning on him at a startling rate.

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

X infinity

Instead of blaming the person responsible for closing down their heavily moderated and censored NPGMC, they're gonna come and bitch about people having enough of an open mind to admit Prince aint perfect!

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

Why don't these "adults" who are bitter toward P for whatever reason move the fuck on, and quit trippin like some teeny bopper who's pissed because their favorite Jonas Brother got a new girlfriend?
[Edited 4/15/09 17:40pm]

Accujack said:

If you're so grown up why do you indulge And people aren't responding to his love life, they are responding to his rip off ways.

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[Edited 4/15/09 17:42pm]

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

Indulge in what? Bitching about constant bitch and moaners? I very rarely do that.
Responding to his rip off ways? He just sold three albums for $11.98 forchissakes!
His opus? Don't buy it. He ain't forcing you to buy shit.

His concert ticket prices are very reasonable for an act of his stature.

Who is he ripping off?

saafiir said:

"Say war..no more!"

Accujack said:

NOT ME CUZ I WON'T PUT ANOTHER RED CENT INTO HIS POCKET TIL HE COMES CORRECT

Accujack said:

Accujack said:

Ah. This is the unspoken Accujack Ratio - for every 77 positive comments you make, you're announced to make 1 negative - that Ben recently implemented?

Got it.

I Prince. I Prince. I Prince. I Prince. I Prince. I Prince. I Prince. I Prince. I Prince. I Prince. I Prince. I Prince. I Prince. I Prince. I Prince. I Prince. I Prince. I Prince. I Prince. I Prince. I Prince. I Prince. I Prince. I Prince. I Prince. I Prince. I Prince. I Prince. I Prince. I Prince. I Prince. I Prince. I Prince. I Prince. I Prince. I Prince. I Prince. I Prince. I Prince. I Prince. I Prince. I Prince. I Prince. I Prince. I Prince. I Prince. I Prince. I Prince. I Prince. I Prince. I Prince. I Prince. I Prince. I Prince. I Prince. I Prince. I Prince. I Prince. I Prince. I Prince. I Prince. I Prince. I Prince. I Prince. I Prince. I Prince. I Prince. I Prince. I Prince. I Prince. I Prince. I Prince. I Prince. I Prince. I Prince. I Prince. I Prince.

Whew. Okay, here goes...

Man, Bria's album was bad.

Oh wait...I don't wanna waste it on that!!!

Shoot.

I Prince. I Prince. I Prince. I Prince. I Prince. ....

Ah, fuck it.

Rogue588 said:

Lame ass bullshit.

Accujack said:

i love that this whole reply tree is people complaining that they don't understand why people come here just to complain.

Accujack said:

probably the same reason you can't resist replying to them.

they're adults. making their own decisions.

stanleylieber said:

So, you don't think it's natural for fans of a particular artist on a site that is dedicated to that artist to defend them against over the top criticism?

murph said:

Damn !

I have been feeling like this for a long time.
People like Supa can come on here and post and I don't agree with him but understand where he is coming from, but others are on a different level than I am on.

It's almost like a co-dependancy type of thing.

stanleylieber said:

Accujack said:

i think your response is natural if you've spent your life as an isolated fan and this is your first ever contact with online fandom of any kind.

otherwise, i think you're the little guy swinging his arms while the older boy holds you at a distance by pushing his arm against your forehead.

no offense, but criticism is criticism. you're not righting any wrongs by telling people their opinions are invalid even as their own opinions.

who are you trying to convince? and what are you trying to convince them of?

every thread goes meta within five posts.

muleFunk said:

i for one find it tiresome that every thread devolves into an argument about who has a right to post their opinions.

you guys don't just say, i disagree with bart, you ALWAYS question whether or not they should even be here.

i say that sucks.

(notice i'm not saying you should go away.)

stanleylieber said:

But you say that as if you are the one who has been isolated to only prince.org.
That is going to happen on every fansite, regardless if it is dedicated to a music artist, sports team, actor, etc.
If the same person comes into the forum everytime shitting on whoever the site is dedicated to, you're gonna get the same kind of reaction as you do here.

stanleylieber said:

i'm guilty of that too, because i guess I find a negative obsession over anyone quite strange and dont understand it. but I concluded that i'll never understand it so whatever...
[Edited 4/15/09 19:07pm]

I have agreed with Bart at times. Supa is well respected in my book and has a valid arguement with his critque of the new stuff.I disagree but valid points are made.However, some come here and bash everything or give unjust praise.

I have no problem with opinions and critical opinions on this site are a good thing but what happens here is that ungodly flame wars have started about a Prince new release.

Then 3 years later people come here and state the album was the "Greatest post Sign CD ,or they will just bitch about any new record.

I used to sit back and laugh it all but now it's Twilight Zone.

The question has to be raised here that ... If you don't like the music then why buy it?

Most of the crazy bullshit started here when AMP crossed over in 2001 ,BTW.

Accujack said:

do you honestly enjoy arguing with people about whether or not they should be posting at this site?

stanleylieber said:

I very rarely do it, but I suppose I get as much enjoyment from it as those who have racked up thousands of posts crying about Prince.

stanleylieber said:

and:

Screw Prince. I think I you, stan.

Seriously though, what bothers me is the blatant generalization that some "fams" posit at being factual "Haters want another Purple Rain...", "...they want the linn drum", "...they want him to curse again". Fuck that man. I just want a GOOD FUCKING album. Someone mentioned U2 earlier in the thread and that fans of their earlier stuff have long since jumped off....wrong. I love All That You Can't Leave Behind as much as I love their earlier stuff. Hell, I even loved Zooropa. Prince seemed to have lost it post-Emancipation for me. Perhaps it was the loss of his son? Who knows. All I know is, FOR ME, he still doesn't have it. And, like someone else in this thread said, I have to wonder where the HECK they're coming from when they compare Chocolate Box to ANYTHING other than Jughead. But, like stan said, I don't question why you should be here or threaten with a "slap" because your opinion differs from me.

Though, in the spirit of fairness, I will say that I agree with Accujack regarding simple negative posts like "It stinks" or similar simplistic responses to thought-out positive posts. Conversely, I hate the "Prince is God and we should not question anything he deigns to piss on us, so why are you here?" posts in response to those thought-out negative posts. But I still wouldn't go around counting how many positive or negative posts someone made to pass judgment on them.

Sorry this might seem rushed and off-the-cuff, but i'm getting ready to watch LOST...

muleFunk said:

i have to disagree. things got crazy when prince went jw and started recruiting fans and whispering in their ears that they were better than other fans. when prince's grassroots internet fanbase started getting sued out of existence and he started hosting official forums that were tightly moderated for 'positivity.' that's when it started. prince himself encouraged this whole us/them mentality. i held out for a while but then i realized that i was spending more time wading through arguments about who was a 'true prince fan' than i was reading new prince information. i'm an adult and i have better things to do with my time so i left.

amp was fun but got taken over by spam robots and the lou/not lou debate.

i'll answer your question: i buy the new records for several reasons:

- i always hope he'll surprise me
- they usually have 1-2 great songs
- i like buying his independent releases because, in spite of the fact that he runs his businesses in a fashion that deserves to fail, i believe in supporting his move away from the major labels. as a major artist he sets an example that the big money makers (he's not a big money maker anymore but he does have the ear of popular artists in the industry) don't need to sign their lives over to the machine.

i didn't buy the last few mp3 bundles offered on his previous sites. i didn't buy 'musicology.' i did buy '3121,' 'planet earth' and the new set.

prior to 2000, i bought everything he released on release day.

i think the music started falling apart around late '95/early '96, but i hung in there because i hoped he would snap back. i usually snoop around the fan sites when a new album is released to see what's up. very little new information has been uncovered since the late 1990s. his operation remains opaque to mere fans. around '96 he fired a lot of folks and locked down everything such that we don't get the same interplay between insiders and fans that used to enrich the online prince community back in the day.

i came back here because the 'lotusflow3r' tracks leaked to that radio station were decent and housequake.com is dead and i wanted to see what was happening.

i did find something new today. for the first time ever i have seen fans of new prince dismissing old prince completely. saying they don't even like the 80s songs that much.

that is a new one on me.