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Reply #120 posted 04/07/09 6:51pm

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The final sales figures will range from 180 to 186K tomorrow once Soundscan reports the official data.
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Reply #121 posted 04/07/09 6:53pm

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stanleylieber said:



i know what he's trying to say with that line but it just seems so nonsensical. radio is a business. he's not too far gone to see that yet. if he gives radio what it needs they will play his music.

things like youtube and hip-hop blogs really function the way he is lamenting radio doesn't. and he tries to sue those kinds of community resources into the ground. eek spontaneous social cohesion can't be controlled by a mastermind producer.

i think it's this model of the mega-rich superstar that works at cross-purposes to artists maintaining control of their work, longterm financial benefit from their work, and even their sanity. there are a lot of musicians none of us will have ever heard of who, leveraging the internet, make a decent living from their work and are beholden to no one. in a lot of ways prince helped lay the groundwork for that, at least as a form of inspiration, but it's really the inertia of the long tail that makes it inevitable. record companies have become irrelevant more as a function of how society has changed than through any real fault of their own. (much as how they became successful as a byproduct of material scarcity, which was likewise more a confluence of coincidental factors rather than any real vision on the part of corporations).

prince feels like he hasn't been paid what he's worth. hopefully, the fact that we keep showing up for his albums and websites will get through to him someday.


PRINCE will never have another radio hit plain and simple, he will get some play, but lets be real, here are the songs that have garnered him play in the last 10+ years.

SomeBody's SOmebody
Call My Name
Satisfied
Somewhere on Earth
U're Gonna C me

3 of the last 4 are the same song. Prince cant get any wide play anymore, and the play he gets are for "typical" ballads that are all in the same predictable "prince" mode.



Not true I've heard way more songs then that on the radio here in the last 10 years... Like Black Sweat, Future Baby Mama, Musicology, & most recently Turn me loose(which he should have put on his new set) & some Bria songs like Here I come.
eye will ALWAYS think of prince like a "ACT OF GOD"! N another realm. eye mean of all people who might of been aliens or angels.if found out that prince wasn't of this earth, eye would not have been that surprised. R.I.P. prince
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Reply #122 posted 04/07/09 7:02pm

DMSRCMC12

Prince could have a Number #1 lp every year and #1 hit every month--IF HE want 2 play there games.BUT HE does it HIS way.What makes HIM happy and proud of.Making HITs 4 HIM is easy!
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Reply #123 posted 04/07/09 7:04pm

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DMSRCMC12 said:

Prince could have a Number #1 lp every year and #1 hit every month--IF HE want 2 play there games.BUT HE does it HIS way.What makes HIM happy and proud of.Making HITs 4 HIM is easy!


i'm not sure prince will ever be happy but i agree he could dominate radio if he played the game. i don't think playlists (especially in the post- clear channel era) have much to do with content.
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Reply #124 posted 04/07/09 7:06pm

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KCOOLMUZIQ said:

lastdecember said:



PRINCE will never have another radio hit plain and simple, he will get some play, but lets be real, here are the songs that have garnered him play in the last 10+ years.

SomeBody's SOmebody
Call My Name
Satisfied
Somewhere on Earth
U're Gonna C me

3 of the last 4 are the same song. Prince cant get any wide play anymore, and the play he gets are for "typical" ballads that are all in the same predictable "prince" mode.



Not true I've heard way more songs then that on the radio here in the last 10 years... Like Black Sweat, Future Baby Mama, Musicology, & most recently Turn me loose(which he should have put on his new set) & some Bria songs like Here I come.

FBM and Call My Name were BIG Urban AC hits.
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Reply #125 posted 04/07/09 7:08pm

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cool
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Reply #126 posted 04/07/09 7:10pm

audience1

daPrettyman said:

KCOOLMUZIQ said:




Not true I've heard way more songs then that on the radio here in the last 10 years... Like Black Sweat, Future Baby Mama, Musicology, & most recently Turn me loose(which he should have put on his new set) & some Bria songs like Here I come.

FBM and Call My Name were BIG Urban AC hits.



Yeah, I agree. Those two songs and Musicology were the only songs that had "significant" airplay in the U.S. All three went top 10 on the Urban AC chart. Now if people want to start including heavy video airplay, then Musicology and Black Sweat definitely deserve some mention.
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Reply #127 posted 04/07/09 7:11pm

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cool
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Reply #128 posted 04/07/09 7:13pm

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This is irie fro
I swear the words "HATER" is wayyy over-rated...smh
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Reply #129 posted 04/07/09 7:16pm

lastdecember

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KCOOLMUZIQ said:

lastdecember said:



PRINCE will never have another radio hit plain and simple, he will get some play, but lets be real, here are the songs that have garnered him play in the last 10+ years.

SomeBody's SOmebody
Call My Name
Satisfied
Somewhere on Earth
U're Gonna C me

3 of the last 4 are the same song. Prince cant get any wide play anymore, and the play he gets are for "typical" ballads that are all in the same predictable "prince" mode.



Not true I've heard way more songs then that on the radio here in the last 10 years... Like Black Sweat, Future Baby Mama, Musicology, & most recently Turn me loose(which he should have put on his new set) & some Bria songs like Here I come.


Very Localized once again, as far as him hitting big stations everywhere with something thats NOT a ballad in the RB ac mode like FBM, Call My Name, U make My Sunshine etc...its not going to happen, its that simple. You will get spot play on Rb stations in big markets, but it will be very minimal, Call My Name and FBM and Satisfied, its all the same mode, garnering same stations and same audience, which is fine, but you will NOT see Prince get a widespread across the board played song, like a 4ever or Dreamer, the only POSSIBLE way for him to get somewhat wide play is with the "phoned in" prince-like ballad

"We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F
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Reply #130 posted 04/07/09 7:17pm

japanrocks

honestly this news means nothing except for the fact that Bria will get the party and some of us will be invited!!
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Reply #131 posted 04/07/09 7:23pm

daPrettyman

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lastdecember said:

KCOOLMUZIQ said:




Not true I've heard way more songs then that on the radio here in the last 10 years... Like Black Sweat, Future Baby Mama, Musicology, & most recently Turn me loose(which he should have put on his new set) & some Bria songs like Here I come.


Very Localized once again, as far as him hitting big stations everywhere with something thats NOT a ballad in the RB ac mode like FBM, Call My Name, U make My Sunshine etc...its not going to happen, its that simple. You will get spot play on Rb stations in big markets, but it will be very minimal, Call My Name and FBM and Satisfied, its all the same mode, garnering same stations and same audience, which is fine, but you will NOT see Prince get a widespread across the board played song, like a 4ever or Dreamer, the only POSSIBLE way for him to get somewhat wide play is with the "phoned in" prince-like ballad

I agree with u. It bothers me that CHR AC stations will not play Prince's pop stuff. "The One U Wanna C" had SOOO much potential to be a big hit, but AC programmers wouldn't give it a chance. They kind of did the same for other 80s acts like Bon Jovi and Bruce Springsteen. They cannot seem to get a decent radio hit.

It's crazy to me how 20 years ago (I'm going to sound like an old man now) an artist that had been in the business for years could still manage to get a top 40 hit. In the 80s, people like The Beach Boys, Roy Orbison, The Monkeys, Grateful Dead, Paul Simon, Bill Medley, James Brown, Paul McCartney and others scored HUGE hits. Now, it's all about youth and the NEXT big thing. Society has no respect for the people who paved the way for them.
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Reply #132 posted 04/07/09 7:23pm

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lastdecember said:

KCOOLMUZIQ said:




Not true I've heard way more songs then that on the radio here in the last 10 years... Like Black Sweat, Future Baby Mama, Musicology, & most recently Turn me loose(which he should have put on his new set) & some Bria songs like Here I come.


Very Localized once again, as far as him hitting big stations everywhere with something thats NOT a ballad in the RB ac mode like FBM, Call My Name, U make My Sunshine etc...its not going to happen, its that simple. You will get spot play on Rb stations in big markets, but it will be very minimal, Call My Name and FBM and Satisfied, its all the same mode, garnering same stations and same audience, which is fine, but you will NOT see Prince get a widespread across the board played song, like a 4ever or Dreamer, the only POSSIBLE way for him to get somewhat wide play is with the "phoned in" prince-like ballad


radio sucks anyway, only thing good on radio these days are talk shows.
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Reply #133 posted 04/07/09 7:24pm

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japanrocks said:

honestly this news means nothing except for the fact that Bria will get the party and some of us will be invited!!

Not really....it means that BRIA had a number one debut album. One that debuted at number one. That's unheard of...especially with no airplay for a debut artist. He needs to hurry and get her on Dancing With The Stars to perform Everytime.
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Reply #134 posted 04/07/09 7:25pm

daPrettyman

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nosajd said:

lastdecember said:



Very Localized once again, as far as him hitting big stations everywhere with something thats NOT a ballad in the RB ac mode like FBM, Call My Name, U make My Sunshine etc...its not going to happen, its that simple. You will get spot play on Rb stations in big markets, but it will be very minimal, Call My Name and FBM and Satisfied, its all the same mode, garnering same stations and same audience, which is fine, but you will NOT see Prince get a widespread across the board played song, like a 4ever or Dreamer, the only POSSIBLE way for him to get somewhat wide play is with the "phoned in" prince-like ballad


radio sucks anyway, only thing good on radio these days are talk shows.

Radio does suck, but it is still very powerful.
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Reply #135 posted 04/07/09 7:27pm

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I'm pretty stoked about the #1 spot. Not that it makes the album any better but some people pay attention to that stuff as far as what they choose to listen to, so hopefully some other folks will pick it up as well with the publication of these sales numbers.

Every time I look @ the chart though in my RS it's always the lamest 'artists' topping the charts. btw, RS gave LOtUSFLOW3R ***, MPLSoUND ***1/2 & Elixer got ** if anyone cares or didn't know.
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Reply #136 posted 04/07/09 7:28pm

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daPrettyman said:

nosajd said:



radio sucks anyway, only thing good on radio these days are talk shows.

Radio does suck, but it is still very powerful.



True enough
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Reply #137 posted 04/07/09 7:36pm

lastdecember

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nosajd said:

I'm pretty stoked about the #1 spot. Not that it makes the album any better but some people pay attention to that stuff as far as what they choose to listen to, so hopefully some other folks will pick it up as well with the publication of these sales numbers.

Every time I look @ the chart though in my RS it's always the lamest 'artists' topping the charts. btw, RS gave LOtUSFLOW3R ***, MPLSoUND ***1/2 & Elixer got ** if anyone cares or didn't know.


Yeah the review was pretty accurate, to me, alot of the issues i had were covered in it. I would flip the ratings for Lots and MPLsound, they went overboard with that, since they seemed to not like that album as much, basically saying 5 out of 9 songs were good, to me thats not a 3 1/2 star album thats a 2 1/2 star album.

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Reply #138 posted 04/07/09 7:39pm

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lastdecember said:

stanleylieber said:



i know what he's trying to say with that line but it just seems so nonsensical. radio is a business. he's not too far gone to see that yet. if he gives radio what it needs they will play his music.

things like youtube and hip-hop blogs really function the way he is lamenting radio doesn't. and he tries to sue those kinds of community resources into the ground. eek spontaneous social cohesion can't be controlled by a mastermind producer.

i think it's this model of the mega-rich superstar that works at cross-purposes to artists maintaining control of their work, longterm financial benefit from their work, and even their sanity. there are a lot of musicians none of us will have ever heard of who, leveraging the internet, make a decent living from their work and are beholden to no one. in a lot of ways prince helped lay the groundwork for that, at least as a form of inspiration, but it's really the inertia of the long tail that makes it inevitable. record companies have become irrelevant more as a function of how society has changed than through any real fault of their own. (much as how they became successful as a byproduct of material scarcity, which was likewise more a confluence of coincidental factors rather than any real vision on the part of corporations).

prince feels like he hasn't been paid what he's worth. hopefully, the fact that we keep showing up for his albums and websites will get through to him someday.


PRINCE will never have another radio hit plain and simple, he will get some play, but lets be real, here are the songs that have garnered him play in the last 10+ years.

SomeBody's SOmebody
Call My Name
Satisfied
Somewhere on Earth
U're Gonna C me

3 of the last 4 are the same song. Prince cant get any wide play anymore, and the play he gets are for "typical" ballads that are all in the same predictable "prince" mode.


Black Sweat, She Loves Me 4 Me and Future Baby Mama garnered enough airplay to hit the radio charts, so...
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Reply #139 posted 04/07/09 7:42pm

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errant said:

lastdecember said:



PRINCE will never have another radio hit plain and simple, he will get some play, but lets be real, here are the songs that have garnered him play in the last 10+ years.

SomeBody's SOmebody
Call My Name
Satisfied
Somewhere on Earth
U're Gonna C me

3 of the last 4 are the same song. Prince cant get any wide play anymore, and the play he gets are for "typical" ballads that are all in the same predictable "prince" mode.


Black Sweat, She Loves Me 4 Me and Future Baby Mama garnered enough airplay to hit the radio charts, so...

Not in the states. FBM was big on the Urban AC side, but Black Sweat didn't stay on the charts long. Beautiful Loved and Blessed did pretty good, though. She Loves Me 4 Me didn't get much play in the States either. It definitely deserved it, though.
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Reply #140 posted 04/07/09 7:43pm

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lastdecember said:

nosajd said:

I'm pretty stoked about the #1 spot. Not that it makes the album any better but some people pay attention to that stuff as far as what they choose to listen to, so hopefully some other folks will pick it up as well with the publication of these sales numbers.

Every time I look @ the chart though in my RS it's always the lamest 'artists' topping the charts. btw, RS gave LOtUSFLOW3R ***, MPLSoUND ***1/2 & Elixer got ** if anyone cares or didn't know.


Yeah the review was pretty accurate, to me, alot of the issues i had were covered in it. I would flip the ratings for Lots and MPLsound, they went overboard with that, since they seemed to not like that album as much, basically saying 5 out of 9 songs were good, to me thats not a 3 1/2 star album thats a 2 1/2 star album.


Yeah I pretty much had the same opinion of the article but I would've given LOtUSFLOW3R ***1/2 & Elixer *, but I think the bang'n songs on MPLSoUND woud've made it @least ***, but I was glad RS gave'm more credit than I would've, but hey that's just me.
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Reply #141 posted 04/07/09 7:45pm

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Feel free to join in the Prince Album Poll 2018! Let'a celebrate his legacy by counting down the most beloved Prince albums, as decided by you!
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Reply #142 posted 04/07/09 7:54pm

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Doesn't this mean just 60k has been sold? If he's actually shifted more then 180k units I'd be very surprised. I'd think it counts as three for each cd. Then there are the bulk numbers which worldwide distributors have bought from Target - thousands, likely. I'd love for this CD to be a huge success, but, I'm realistic. Holding back the worldwide release might just be a marketing move to boost his first week position in the US. Another unique chart cheat from the wee man! lol

this is actual units.only the riaa certification will reflect that its a triple disc.by that standard its a gold record(180,000 x 3=540,000)
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Reply #143 posted 04/07/09 7:56pm

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Good 4 Prince.
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Reply #144 posted 04/07/09 8:01pm

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All I Know Is:

186,000 x $11.98 = $2,228,280.00

Now how much of that is Prince's Cut??? lol razz lol
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Reply #145 posted 04/07/09 8:02pm

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Astasheiks said:

All I Know Is:

186,000 x $11.98 = $2,228,280.00

Now how much of that is Prince's Cut??? lol razz lol


it almost certainly cost more than that to produce those three albums. smile
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Reply #146 posted 04/07/09 8:04pm

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woot!

party
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Reply #147 posted 04/07/09 8:09pm

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stanleylieber said:

Astasheiks said:

All I Know Is:

186,000 x $11.98 = $2,228,280.00

Now how much of that is Prince's Cut??? lol razz lol


it almost certainly cost more than that to produce those three albums. smile


hmmm

Somehow I don't think so.
I mean, it's a no-frills package.
Cardboard case, no liner notes or anything.
Prince probably did his own graphics on his Mac.
Recording at Paisley Park.
CD's cost about 10¢ in bulk.
...and Target probably footed the bill for radio advertising.

Somehow I think that it's a money-maker for both Prince and Target.


....oh yeah...and the fans paying $77/each for membership to the website probably bankrolled some of the expenses.
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Reply #148 posted 04/07/09 8:13pm

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PurpleJedi said:

stanleylieber said:



it almost certainly cost more than that to produce those three albums. smile


hmmm

Somehow I don't think so.
I mean, it's a no-frills package.
Cardboard case, no liner notes or anything.
Prince probably did his own graphics on his Mac.
Recording at Paisley Park.
CD's cost about 10¢ in bulk.
...and Target probably footed the bill for radio advertising.

Somehow I think that it's a money-maker for both Prince and Target.


....oh yeah...and the fans paying $77/each for membership to the website probably bankrolled some of the expenses.

You are so right. I mean, on websites of cd duplicators, they charge about $2 to $5 per cd on average. So, Prince probably got the cds for $1 or so with 200,000 or 500,000 cds being printed.
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Reply #149 posted 04/07/09 8:17pm

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excited excited excited Congrats Prince!!!!! woot! woot! woot! party party party I pray that Billboard says the same thing tomorrow. pray
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