independent and unofficial
Prince fan community
Welcome! Sign up or enter username and password to remember me
Forum jump
Forums > Prince: Music and More > SIGN o' THE TIMES was his real last materpiece
« Previous topic  Next topic »
Page 2 of 4 <1234>
  New topic   Printable     (Log in to 'subscribe' to this topic)
Reply #30 posted 06/05/08 12:34pm

rusty1

prince hasn't had a true hit single since 1994. prince once had a streak from 1983 to 1994 with yop ten hits. prince hasn't had any significant hits since 1994. THERE ARE DELUSIONAL FANS who think everything he does is great. i haven't heard a classic album since sign o'the times. prince fans who don't like that album have to clean there ears out
BOB4theFUNK
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #31 posted 06/05/08 12:35pm

Graycap23

purplecam said:

Graycap23 said:


Everyone has an opinion. That's yours.

Co-sign. Don't act like your opinion is a fact rusty1.

It's starting 2 feel like Rusty1 is a reincarnation of someone else.
[Edited 6/5/08 12:37pm]
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #32 posted 06/05/08 12:36pm

rusty1

PRINCE HASN"T DONE A GREAT ALBUM SINCE 1987
BOB4theFUNK
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #33 posted 06/05/08 12:41pm

purplecam

avatar

Graycap23 said:

purplecam said:


Co-sign. Don't act like your opinion is a fact rusty1.

It's starting 2 feel like Rusty1 is a reincarnation of someone else.
[Edited 6/5/08 12:37pm]

I was starting to think that too.
I'm not a fan of "old Prince". I'm not a fan of "new Prince". I'm just a fan of Prince. Simple as that
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #34 posted 06/05/08 12:43pm

rusty1

prince fans on this site constantly put songs and albums from his 90's period, on the top five lists. there isn't one song or album from his 90's period that i would take over his 80's material. PRINCE WOULDN'T BE A LEGEND WITHOUT HIS 80's foundation. prince built up his sound and image 2gether in the 80's. prince was a trendsetter and not a follower. prince panicked in 1989 feeling he had 2 follow the rap and hip-hop trends. he got those lame ass backup dancers from 1990 to 92. tony m. was a horrible rapper and i always stop my name is prince when he raps.
BOB4theFUNK
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #35 posted 06/05/08 12:54pm

Graycap23

purplecam said:

Graycap23 said:


It's starting 2 feel like Rusty1 is a reincarnation of someone else.
[Edited 6/5/08 12:37pm]

I was starting to think that too.

....on that note, I'm out of here. Have a good one Purplecam.
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #36 posted 06/05/08 12:55pm

purplecam

avatar

Graycap23 said:

purplecam said:


I was starting to think that too.

....on that note, I'm out of here. Have a good one Purplecam.

You too Graycap23.
I'm not a fan of "old Prince". I'm not a fan of "new Prince". I'm just a fan of Prince. Simple as that
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #37 posted 06/05/08 1:06pm

Whitnail

avatar

rusty1 said:

prince fans on this site constantly put songs and albums from his 90's period, on the top five lists. there isn't one song or album from his 90's period that i would take over his 80's material. PRINCE WOULDN'T BE A LEGEND WITHOUT HIS 80's foundation. prince built up his sound and image 2gether in the 80's. prince was a trendsetter and not a follower. prince panicked in 1989 feeling he had 2 follow the rap and hip-hop trends. he got those lame ass backup dancers from 1990 to 92. tony m. was a horrible rapper and i always stop my name is prince when he raps.



Rusty, you need to chill abit, there is also other great music out there, simply be a period fan, there are many artists from which I only like a certain era or period, but i dont go on their forums and express my utter anger coz Prince dosent do exactly what I want him to do, it is this in itself, that most of us admire Prince, even when he dosent release a PR or SOTT every year. We respect his individualism, he has not only been a benchmark of modern music, but also showed himself to be a very clever business man, where he has been in some way responsible for the melt down of the music business, he took the risks, and everyone laughed at him, I wonder who is laughing now???? wink
If it were not for insanity, I would be sane.

"True to his status as the last enigma in music, Prince crashed into London this week in a ball of confusion" The Times 2014
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #38 posted 06/05/08 2:27pm

L4OATheOrigina
l

avatar

purplecam said:

Graycap23 said:


Everyone has an opinion. That's yours.

Co-sign. Don't act like your opinion is a fact rusty1.


word nod so u don't enjoy his music past 1989 well that says a lot of u then the rest of us. u say ur open minded but it sounds like with every release, ur trying 2 compare it 2 those 5 years.
man, he has such an amazing body of music that it's sad to see him constrict it down to the basics. he's too talented for the lineup he's doing. estelle 81
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #39 posted 06/05/08 2:31pm

L4OATheOrigina
l

avatar

rusty1 said:

prince hasn't had a true hit single since 1994. prince once had a streak from 1983 to 1994 with yop ten hits. prince hasn't had any significant hits since 1994. THERE ARE DELUSIONAL FANS who think everything he does is great. i haven't heard a classic album since sign o'the times. prince fans who don't like that album have to clean there ears out



u have 2 understand how the industry runs now where hit singles aren't all that anymore. name a song in the last year besides gnarls barkley's crazy that swept the whole world? u'll b hard pressed 2 find one. prince has entered in2 the phase of his career where it's not about hit singles, but what a LP truly stands 4, u put down the needle and it's all about a concept of a album. not just a hit and 15 other tracks that r garbarge. yes even tho i have and will continue 2 beat down planet earth, 4 me that's his 1st true clunker of a album and i'm one of those fans that doesn't like everything either. do u lie and 3 chains of gold r horrendous, but that's just my IMO. other's love those tracks and planet earth as well. i respect that u have ur opinion, but just 2 say everything since 1989 has been crap is pure lunacy
man, he has such an amazing body of music that it's sad to see him constrict it down to the basics. he's too talented for the lineup he's doing. estelle 81
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #40 posted 06/05/08 4:25pm

Moonbeam

avatar

L4OATheOriginal said:

LinnLM1 said:

In no way is Lovesexy, The Gold Expierience, or the Rainbow Children, or Exodus on the same level as 1999, Purple Rain, Sign O' The Times, or Dirty Mind.

I wish they were.


ur right, lovesexy, the gold experience, trc, exodus and sign o the times r SO MUCH BETTER THAN 1999, purple rain and dirty mind...nod

comfort it's okay one day u'll understand that live drumming is better than a computer ...


I usually agree with you, Mr. L4OA, but nothing touches 1999, real drumming or not.
Feel free to join in the Prince Album Poll 2018! Let'a celebrate his legacy by counting down the most beloved Prince albums, as decided by you!
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #41 posted 06/05/08 8:23pm

L4OATheOrigina
l

avatar

Moonbeam said:

L4OATheOriginal said:



ur right, lovesexy, the gold experience, trc, exodus and sign o the times r SO MUCH BETTER THAN 1999, purple rain and dirty mind...nod

comfort it's okay one day u'll understand that live drumming is better than a computer ...


I usually agree with you, Mr. L4OA, but nothing touches 1999, real drumming or not.


I'm not saying it's not a great album but it's not better than SOTT
man, he has such an amazing body of music that it's sad to see him constrict it down to the basics. he's too talented for the lineup he's doing. estelle 81
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #42 posted 06/05/08 9:07pm

rusty1

l4oa the original... i think the symbol album, the gold experiece, emancipation, and trc have there musical moments on each. prince just put out alot of throw away albums such as chaos&disorder,the vault,nps,come,rave that were way below his artistic level. i think 4 to 5 good albums since 1989. grafitti bridge was disjointed because of too many guest stars on it. the original we can funk blows away that album version. the grand progression sahould've been on there and all.
BOB4theFUNK
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #43 posted 06/05/08 9:16pm

minneapolisFun
q

avatar

hes pushing 50 years old

hes put out enough classic meterial. your asking too much of him
You're so glam, every time I see you I wanna slam!
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #44 posted 06/05/08 9:25pm

violetblues

Nothing has even come close the greatness that is SOTT, but that has more to do with how great it is, than putting everything else down.
heck not much since 87 by Any artist comes close, thats why when you read most critics greatest pop/rock albums lists of all time SOTT is always listed.

and yes its just my opinion (shared by most music critics)
and yes most serious music critics would also not put the cheesefests gold x and rainbow children nowhere near the top of anything pre 87
[Edited 6/5/08 21:31pm]
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #45 posted 06/05/08 10:29pm

GaryMF

avatar

I have every album from the beginning..... been to many tours etc.


I gave up after "Come" because basically starting with Lovesexy it just wasn't great anymmore. I kept trying but couldn't take it anymore.

I started back up again with Musiciology, and went to the tour twice, plus Tamar..... he's still great live, ..... but how anyone can think any of the last few albums are as good as the 80's stuff is just beyond me.

Musicology, 3121 etc.... they're good albums, but nothing like the stuff he created before where each album was an innovation in and of itself. You coudl literally take any of the 80s albums and each one was something new and different, something no one else could do.

THe later stuff..... not so much.
rainbow
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #46 posted 06/05/08 10:35pm

L4OATheOrigina
l

avatar

rusty1 said:

l4oa the original... i think the symbol album, the gold experiece, emancipation, and trc have there musical moments on each. prince just put out alot of throw away albums such as chaos&disorder,the vault,nps,come,rave that were way below his artistic level. i think 4 to 5 good albums since 1989. grafitti bridge was disjointed because of too many guest stars on it. the original we can funk blows away that album version. the grand progression sahould've been on there and all.


i'm trying 2 understand when u say his artistic level was below, below 2 what? understand that his level is what we all compare 2 his past achievements and some will never ever b duplicated 2 what our own individual standards r. these necessarily r not prince's own standards tho. that's what we have 2 keep in mind tho, it's only our standards and the bar we have come 2 xpect. it's not saying that all of his outputs since the 80's r subpar. whether some don't like the hip hop element prince added 2 his tracks during this time is a personal choice. but this is the way the world of music went and has gone since. shrug
man, he has such an amazing body of music that it's sad to see him constrict it down to the basics. he's too talented for the lineup he's doing. estelle 81
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #47 posted 06/05/08 10:59pm

Moonbeam

avatar

L4OATheOriginal said:

Moonbeam said:



I usually agree with you, Mr. L4OA, but nothing touches 1999, real drumming or not.


I'm not saying it's not a great album but it's not better than SOTT


But it is! nod
Feel free to join in the Prince Album Poll 2018! Let'a celebrate his legacy by counting down the most beloved Prince albums, as decided by you!
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #48 posted 06/05/08 11:23pm

luv4u

Moderator

avatar

moderator

purplecam said:

Graycap23 said:


It's starting 2 feel like Rusty1 is a reincarnation of someone else.
[Edited 6/5/08 12:37pm]

I was starting to think that too.



Yes lurking
canada

Ohh purple joy oh purple bliss oh purple rapture!
REAL MUSIC by REAL MUSICIANS - Prince
"I kind of wish there was a reason for Prince to make the site crash more" ~~ Ben
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #49 posted 06/06/08 12:41am

tonygoiu

L4OATheOriginal said:

rusty1 said:

prince hasn't had a true hit single since 1994. prince once had a streak from 1983 to 1994 with yop ten hits. prince hasn't had any significant hits since 1994. THERE ARE DELUSIONAL FANS who think everything he does is great. i haven't heard a classic album since sign o'the times. prince fans who don't like that album have to clean there ears out



u have 2 understand how the industry runs now where hit singles aren't all that anymore. name a song in the last year besides gnarls barkley's crazy that swept the whole world? u'll b hard pressed 2 find one. prince has entered in2 the phase of his career where it's not about hit singles, but what a LP truly stands 4, u put down the needle and it's all about a concept of a album. not just a hit and 15 other tracks that r garbarge. yes even tho i have and will continue 2 beat down planet earth, 4 me that's his 1st true clunker of a album and i'm one of those fans that doesn't like everything either. do u lie and 3 chains of gold r horrendous, but that's just my IMO. other's love those tracks and planet earth as well. i respect that u have ur opinion, but just 2 say everything since 1989 has been crap is pure lunacy
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #50 posted 06/06/08 12:44am

tonygoiu

L4OATheOriginal said:

rusty1 said:

prince hasn't had a true hit single since 1994. prince once had a streak from 1983 to 1994 with yop ten hits. prince hasn't had any significant hits since 1994. THERE ARE DELUSIONAL FANS who think everything he does is great. i haven't heard a classic album since sign o'the times. prince fans who don't like that album have to clean there ears out



u have 2 understand how the industry runs now where hit singles aren't all that anymore. name a song in the last year besides gnarls barkley's crazy that swept the whole world? u'll b hard pressed 2 find one. prince has entered in2 the phase of his career where it's not about hit singles, but what a LP truly stands 4, u put down the needle and it's all about a concept of a album. not just a hit and 15 other tracks that r garbarge. yes even tho i have and will continue 2 beat down planet earth, 4 me that's his 1st true clunker of a album and i'm one of those fans that doesn't like everything either. do u lie and 3 chains of gold r horrendous, but that's just my IMO. other's love those tracks and planet earth as well. i respect that u have ur opinion, but just 2 say everything since 1989 has been crap is pure lunacy
gnarls barkley you must be crazy
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #51 posted 06/06/08 1:03am

viewaskew

sexxydancer said:

I guess I'm in denial then,cuz there'z masterpiece in all that Prince doez,imo. wink


Yeah, his most recent bowel movement was sublime. rolleyes

Sweet merciful crap.
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #52 posted 06/06/08 1:05am

Orange123

viewaskew said:

sexxydancer said:

I guess I'm in denial then,cuz there'z masterpiece in all that Prince doez,imo. wink


Yeah, his most recent bowel movement was sublime. rolleyes

Sweet merciful crap.


better than anything i've seen you write.
I LOVE MYSELF
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #53 posted 06/06/08 1:08am

viewaskew

purplecam said:

Graycap23 said:


Everyone has an opinion. That's yours.

Co-sign. Don't act like your opinion is a fact rusty1.


Oh, you mean like you, & Graycap23, who claim that people who don't think Prince has released anything as quality-packed & coherent since Sign o' the Times are ignorant? That hardly a factual assessment. Take a moment from your idol worship to get off your high horse.

This thread was started about Sign o' the Times. Go start another one about pieces of shit like The Rainbow Children being his last real masterpiece, or Planet Earth being his last real masterpiece if you feel that's the case.
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #54 posted 06/06/08 1:12am

viewaskew

L4OATheOriginal said:

rusty1 said:

prince hasn't had a true hit single since 1994. prince once had a streak from 1983 to 1994 with yop ten hits. prince hasn't had any significant hits since 1994. THERE ARE DELUSIONAL FANS who think everything he does is great. i haven't heard a classic album since sign o'the times. prince fans who don't like that album have to clean there ears out



u have 2 understand how the industry runs now where hit singles aren't all that anymore. name a song in the last year besides gnarls barkley's crazy that swept the whole world? u'll b hard pressed 2 find one. prince has entered in2 the phase of his career where it's not about hit singles, but what a LP truly stands 4, u put down the needle and it's all about a concept of a album.



That's true. Although it's unfortunate that the concept behind his last several albums was to release shitty, bland, by-the-numbers junk funk to see how long the lemmings keep lining up for it.

The Prince of old at least seemed to have higher standards, not to mention a supporting cast of musicians that actually challenged him artistically. From the likes of Kirky J onward, it's been nothing but a rotation of Yes Men. There's little good that has come of that.
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #55 posted 06/06/08 1:29am

Nightcrawler

I agree with you about SOTT.

The Rainbow Children comes close in my opinion. This album suprised me pleasantly when I first heard it, and it´s the only post SOTT-album I still enjoy from start to finish. But, contrary to SOTT, it had no impact on the charts and pop culture like SOTT had.

Lovesexy, The Gold Experience, Diamonds & Pearls, even the Symbol-Album are very good, but they all have one ore more weak tracks.
See the man with the blue guitar, maybe one day he`ll be a star...
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #56 posted 06/06/08 4:37am

musicolog

LinnLM1 said:

I completely agree with you that SOTT was Prince's last masterpiece. No album he has released post-SOTT is anywhere near as good as his 80-87 output. Anyone who says otherwise is in denial.

Does he have another masterpiece in him? As talented as he is its gotta be a possibility but I doubt it will happen. It would require a whole new way of approaching music - bandmates, production, etc. I think he's set in his ways at this point.


God, god, god... SOTT is often seen by fans, non-fans and critics as his best album. Well lyrics and ideas are damn good, but the sound of it really stinks ! Just pay attention to the gap between live performances of that '80 period and how the same songs sound poor on cd or vinyls... I guess himself was not totally satisfied with his production regarding to how he took a turning with the black album and lovesexy. It's just my very own guess.

I still wonder what was so new in his music in the '80. Maybe it's because I discovered Prince with "gett off" and then listened to his older albums ???

Anyway I agree SOTT is an "incontournable" ( a must have ) piece in his work ! As the gold experience, the symbol album, lovesexy or TRC, or a good half of emancipation... Well, is there really a 100% perfect album of Prince ?
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #57 posted 06/06/08 4:37am

govinda

avatar

That`s very sad that a person who call himself a P fan is stuck with SOTT...
I don`t agree with you sorry.
Lovesexy,TRC,Emancipation,C&D,The Truth,ONA,3121 are all masterpieces to me! lol
"Goodness will guide us if Love is inside us"
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #58 posted 06/06/08 5:10am

Aloisio

I prefer Lovesexy.
In God we trust.
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #59 posted 06/06/08 5:38am

Graycap23

viewaskew said:

purplecam said:


Co-sign. Don't act like your opinion is a fact rusty1.


Oh, you mean like you, & Graycap23, who claim that people who don't think Prince has released anything as quality-packed & coherent since Sign o' the Times are ignorant? That hardly a factual assessment. Take a moment from your idol worship to get off your high horse.

This thread was started about Sign o' the Times. Go start another one about pieces of shit like The Rainbow Children being his last real masterpiece, or Planet Earth being his last real masterpiece if you feel that's the case.

I have no idea how u turned my comment into something about ignorance. Perhaps u should read MY comments again.
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Page 2 of 4 <1234>
  New topic   Printable     (Log in to 'subscribe' to this topic)
« Previous topic  Next topic »
Forums > Prince: Music and More > SIGN o' THE TIMES was his real last materpiece