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PrintableI think Lovesexy was also a classic album, particularly if you remember the reaction to the record at the time it was released and the gigs that followed it.
Since then I think there have been flashes of his brilliance in almost every subsequent album, particularly Symbol, D&P, Come, TRC and 3121. | |
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Graycap23 said: viewaskew said: Oh, you mean like you, & Graycap23, who claim that people who don't think Prince has released anything as quality-packed & coherent since Sign o' the Times are ignorant? That hardly a factual assessment. Take a moment from your idol worship to get off your high horse. This thread was started about Sign o' the Times. Go start another one about pieces of shit like The Rainbow Children being his last real masterpiece, or Planet Earth being his last real masterpiece if you feel that's the case. I have no idea how u turned my comment into something about ignorance. Perhaps u should read MY comments again. Well, I could repost what you wrote, which would make it obvious to most: "If u believe that Prince's last great work was 21 years ago.....u have not been listening or paying attention." But didn't you follow that up with a claim that you were leaving this thread? | |
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viewaskew said: Graycap23 said: I have no idea how u turned my comment into something about ignorance. Perhaps u should read MY comments again. Well, I could repost what you wrote, which would make it obvious to most: "If u believe that Prince's last great work was 21 years ago.....u have not been listening or paying attention." But didn't you follow that up with a claim that you were leaving this thread? That's a big leap.....don't u think? | |
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"Rusty1" has every right 2 express his opinion, but what really IS a "masterpiece", anyway?
It is usually used 2 name an artist's best work, out of the body of work they have created. If that's the case, then trying 2 pick one of Prince's works would not be easy. Certainly, '1999', 'Sign O' The Times', 'Lovesexy', and 'The Rainbow Children' would be the candidates. It's tough 2 leave out 'Purple Rain' and 'Parade', but I can EASILY forget about 'The Gold Experience'... one of my least fav albums. So I guess the question would be if one were 2 pick only one Prince album, which one would it be? 'Sign O' The Times' might just be the one, but U can't say that Prince hasn't released anything "as great as" that since then. Things change, times change, nothing is fixed or permanent. Thank GOD Prince changes 2, because we wouldn't have a 'Lovesexy' right after 'Sign O' The Times'... We wouldn't have an 'Around the World in a Day' right after 'Purple Rain'. We wouldn't have a 'RAINBOW CHILDREN' right after 'Rave Un2 The Joy Fantastic'. It is Prince's diversity, and restless musical journey, that allows these unexpected gems 2 contrast each other. The times have also changed, in such a way, where we don't listen 2 music the way we used 2. Back in 1987, we put the record on the turntable and listened. When one side was done, we anxiously flipped the record over 2 discover side 2. When it was a double album, we anxiously took the 1st record off the turntable, put it in it's sleeve, grabbed the 2nd record, cued it up, and waited anxiously 2 hear what musical mystery started side 3. Now, we have CDs or digital media, which we listen 2 on the fly, without a real sit down listening. I swear that if the 'Planet Earth' album was listened 2 properly, many would consider that a "masterwork"... Well, with the exception of "Mr Goodnight"... "He's a musician's musician..." |
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Everyone has a real good opinion on their definition of P's masterpiece album, but I would categorize them as followed.
The A team 1999 Purple Rain Sign Of The Times o(+> The B Team Dirty Mind Around The World Gold Experience Lovesexy The C Team Controversy Parade Diamonds & Pearls Rainbow Children "Old man's gotta be the old man. Fish has got to be the fish." | |
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"... Well, with the exception of "Mr Goodnight"... Not if u had the guitar version..... | |
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It's unrealistic to expect brilliance everytime.Imo,nobody is really making groundbreaking,mindblowing music these days.If Prince gives us an album that is just okay (like 'Musicology'),be happy with that.You're not gonna get another 'Purple Rain' or 'Sign O' The Times' from him....just like you'll never get another 'Thriller' from Michael Jackson...or another 'Like A Prayer' from Madonna....or another 'Rumours' from Fleetwood Mac....or another 'Born In The USA' from Bruce....and so on and so on. | |
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viewaskew said: purplecam said: Co-sign. Don't act like your opinion is a fact rusty1. Oh, you mean like you, & Graycap23, who claim that people who don't think Prince has released anything as quality-packed & coherent since Sign o' the Times are ignorant? That hardly a factual assessment. Take a moment from your idol worship to get off your high horse. This thread was started about Sign o' the Times. Go start another one about pieces of shit like The Rainbow Children being his last real masterpiece, or Planet Earth being his last real masterpiece if you feel that's the case. You need to go and sit yo ass DOWN with that ignorant comment of yours. You're reading into something that wasn't there to read. If anyone around here needs to get off their high horse around it, it's YOU. I'm not a fan of "old Prince". I'm not a fan of "new Prince". I'm just a fan of Prince. Simple as that | |
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Giovanni777 said: "Rusty1" has every right 2 express his opinion, but what really IS a "masterpiece", anyway?
It is usually used 2 name an artist's best work, out of the body of work they have created. If that's the case, then trying 2 pick one of Prince's works would not be easy. Certainly, '1999', 'Sign O' The Times', 'Lovesexy', and 'The Rainbow Children' would be the candidates. It's tough 2 leave out 'Purple Rain' and 'Parade', but I can EASILY forget about 'The Gold Experience'... one of my least fav albums. So I guess the question would be if one were 2 pick only one Prince album, which one would it be? 'Sign O' The Times' might just be the one, but U can't say that Prince hasn't released anything "as great as" that since then. Things change, times change, nothing is fixed or permanent. Thank GOD Prince changes 2, because we wouldn't have a 'Lovesexy' right after 'Sign O' The Times'... We wouldn't have an 'Around the World in a Day' right after 'Purple Rain'. We wouldn't have a 'RAINBOW CHILDREN' right after 'Rave Un2 The Joy Fantastic'. It is Prince's diversity, and restless musical journey, that allows these unexpected gems 2 contrast each other. The times have also changed, in such a way, where we don't listen 2 music the way we used 2. Back in 1987, we put the record on the turntable and listened. When one side was done, we anxiously flipped the record over 2 discover side 2. When it was a double album, we anxiously took the 1st record off the turntable, put it in it's sleeve, grabbed the 2nd record, cued it up, and waited anxiously 2 hear what musical mystery started side 3. Now, we have CDs or digital media, which we listen 2 on the fly, without a real sit down listening. I swear that if the 'Planet Earth' album was listened 2 properly, many would consider that a "masterwork"... Well, with the exception of "Mr Goodnight"... Good words man! I consider u one of the more "levelheaded" Prince fans. I actually give your opinion some thought even if I disagree sometimes. I'll keep saying to the day I die that a lot of Prince fans take their own tastes too seriously. If they like it the song must be great, if they dislike it the song must be bad. Its all pretty subjective. And Prince's taste's are more ecliptic then the majority of his fans tastes. | |
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govinda said: That`s very sad that a person who call himself a P fan is stuck with SOTT...:
But that's A LOT of fans here on the org. They are stuck in the 1980's with Prince and then many of them will call you ignorant or a fool if you happen to like anything the man did after 1989. You'll be called blind and jaded because you see a hint of brilliance in something he did in 1992 or 2004. Well pardon me for being a fan. govinda said: I don`t agree with you sorry.
Lovesexy,TRC,Emancipation,C&D,The Truth,ONA,3121 are all masterpieces to me!  I'm with you on Lovesexy, The Truth and 3121. I'm not a fan of "old Prince". I'm not a fan of "new Prince". I'm just a fan of Prince. Simple as that | |
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purplecam said: viewaskew said: Oh, you mean like you, & Graycap23, who claim that people who don't think Prince has released anything as quality-packed & coherent since Sign o' the Times are ignorant? That hardly a factual assessment. Take a moment from your idol worship to get off your high horse. This thread was started about Sign o' the Times. Go start another one about pieces of shit like The Rainbow Children being his last real masterpiece, or Planet Earth being his last real masterpiece if you feel that's the case. You need to go and sit yo ass DOWN with that ignorant comment of yours. You're reading into something that wasn't there to read. If anyone around here needs to get off their high horse around it, it's YOU.  | |
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Moonbeam said: L4OATheOriginal said: I'm not saying it's not a great album but it's not better than SOTT But it is!  negative lol ...u can't mess with SOTT it's only weak point is slow love man, he has such an amazing body of music that it's sad to see him constrict it down to the basics. he's too talented for the lineup he's doing. estelle 81 | |
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It is indeed one of his finest works , I wouldnt say the best but hey its subjective | |
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tonygoiu said: L4OATheOriginal said: u have 2 understand how the industry runs now where hit singles aren't all that anymore. name a song in the last year besides gnarls barkley's crazy that swept the whole world? u'll b hard pressed 2 find one. prince has entered in2 the phase of his career where it's not about hit singles, but what a LP truly stands 4, u put down the needle and it's all about a concept of a album. not just a hit and 15 other tracks that r garbarge. yes even tho i have and will continue 2 beat down planet earth, 4 me that's his 1st true clunker of a album and i'm one of those fans that doesn't like everything either. do u lie and 3 chains of gold r horrendous, but that's just my IMO. other's love those tracks and planet earth as well. i respect that u have ur opinion, but just 2 say everything since 1989 has been crap is pure lunacy okay then name a song that was a global wide hit other than crazy by gnarls barkley? man, he has such an amazing body of music that it's sad to see him constrict it down to the basics. he's too talented for the lineup he's doing. estelle 81 | |
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L4OATheOriginal said: tonygoiu said: gnarls barkley you must be crazy
okay then name a song that was a global wide hit other than crazy by gnarls barkley? Umbrella? | |
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Graycap23 said: L4OATheOriginal said: okay then name a song that was a global wide hit other than crazy by gnarls barkley? Umbrella? That's true I'm not a fan of "old Prince". I'm not a fan of "new Prince". I'm just a fan of Prince. Simple as that | |
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viewaskew said: L4OATheOriginal said: u have 2 understand how the industry runs now where hit singles aren't all that anymore. name a song in the last year besides gnarls barkley's crazy that swept the whole world? u'll b hard pressed 2 find one. prince has entered in2 the phase of his career where it's not about hit singles, but what a LP truly stands 4, u put down the needle and it's all about a concept of a album. That's true. Although it's unfortunate that the concept behind his last several albums was to release shitty, bland, by-the-numbers junk funk to see how long the lemmings keep lining up for it. The Prince of old at least seemed to have higher standards, not to mention a supporting cast of musicians that actually challenged him artistically. From the likes of Kirky J onward, it's been nothing but a rotation of Yes Men. There's little good that has come of that. the ona tour band challenged him artistically by having a jazz element something prince tapped in earlier in his career but never fully flushed out until ONA. not 2 mention that band was a very highly musical crew compared 2 some of his earlier bands. mostly view i agree and get a chuckle out of what ur saying up in these threads, but i have 2 ask seriously, is it really prince's level of greatness ur looking 4 or is it ur on personal level? don't get me wrong, i'm not impressed with planet earth and i feel that the vegas/london o2 gigs were the blandest shit i have heard in a while so i'm looking 4 him 2 bring it hard again man, he has such an amazing body of music that it's sad to see him constrict it down to the basics. he's too talented for the lineup he's doing. estelle 81 | |
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musicolog said: LinnLM1 said: I completely agree with you that SOTT was Prince's last masterpiece. No album he has released post-SOTT is anywhere near as good as his 80-87 output. Anyone who says otherwise is in denial.
Does he have another masterpiece in him? As talented as he is its gotta be a possibility but I doubt it will happen. It would require a whole new way of approaching music - bandmates, production, etc. I think he's set in his ways at this point. God, god, god... SOTT is often seen by fans, non-fans and critics as his best album. Well lyrics and ideas are damn good, but the sound of it really stinks ! Just pay attention to the gap between live performances of that '80 period and how the same songs sound poor on cd or vinyls... I guess himself was not totally satisfied with his production regarding to how he took a turning with the black album and lovesexy. It's just my very own guess. I still wonder what was so new in his music in the '80. Maybe it's because I discovered Prince with "gett off" and then listened to his older albums ??? Anyway I agree SOTT is an "incontournable" ( a must have ) piece in his work ! As the gold experience, the symbol album, lovesexy or TRC, or a good half of emancipation... Well, is there really a 100% perfect album of Prince ? that's a good question ..and it's time 2 flesh that out man, he has such an amazing body of music that it's sad to see him constrict it down to the basics. he's too talented for the lineup he's doing. estelle 81 | |
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tricky99 said: Giovanni777 said: "Rusty1" has every right 2 express his opinion, but what really IS a "masterpiece", anyway?
It is usually used 2 name an artist's best work, out of the body of work they have created. If that's the case, then trying 2 pick one of Prince's works would not be easy. Certainly, '1999', 'Sign O' The Times', 'Lovesexy', and 'The Rainbow Children' would be the candidates. It's tough 2 leave out 'Purple Rain' and 'Parade', but I can EASILY forget about 'The Gold Experience'... one of my least fav albums. So I guess the question would be if one were 2 pick only one Prince album, which one would it be? 'Sign O' The Times' might just be the one, but U can't say that Prince hasn't released anything "as great as" that since then. Things change, times change, nothing is fixed or permanent. Thank GOD Prince changes 2, because we wouldn't have a 'Lovesexy' right after 'Sign O' The Times'... We wouldn't have an 'Around the World in a Day' right after 'Purple Rain'. We wouldn't have a 'RAINBOW CHILDREN' right after 'Rave Un2 The Joy Fantastic'. It is Prince's diversity, and restless musical journey, that allows these unexpected gems 2 contrast each other. The times have also changed, in such a way, where we don't listen 2 music the way we used 2. Back in 1987, we put the record on the turntable and listened. When one side was done, we anxiously flipped the record over 2 discover side 2. When it was a double album, we anxiously took the 1st record off the turntable, put it in it's sleeve, grabbed the 2nd record, cued it up, and waited anxiously 2 hear what musical mystery started side 3. Now, we have CDs or digital media, which we listen 2 on the fly, without a real sit down listening. I swear that if the 'Planet Earth' album was listened 2 properly, many would consider that a "masterwork"... Well, with the exception of "Mr Goodnight"... Good words man! I consider u one of the more "levelheaded" Prince fans. I actually give your opinion some thought even if I disagree sometimes. I'll keep saying to the day I die that a lot of Prince fans take their own tastes too seriously. If they like it the song must be great, if they dislike it the song must be bad. Its all pretty subjective. And Prince's taste's are more ecliptic then the majority of his fans tastes. Thank U, "Tricky99", and your last line (bolded) is all 2 true. Word! "He's a musician's musician..." |
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Giovanni777 said: "Rusty1" has every right 2 express his opinion, but what really IS a "masterpiece", anyway?
It is usually used 2 name an artist's best work, out of the body of work they have created. If that's the case, then trying 2 pick one of Prince's works would not be easy. Certainly, '1999', 'Sign O' The Times', 'Lovesexy', and 'The Rainbow Children' would be the candidates. It's tough 2 leave out 'Purple Rain' and 'Parade', but I can EASILY forget about 'The Gold Experience'... one of my least fav albums. So I guess the question would be if one were 2 pick only one Prince album, which one would it be? 'Sign O' The Times' might just be the one, but U can't say that Prince hasn't released anything "as great as" that since then. Things change, times change, nothing is fixed or permanent. Thank GOD Prince changes 2, because we wouldn't have a 'Lovesexy' right after 'Sign O' The Times'... We wouldn't have an 'Around the World in a Day' right after 'Purple Rain'. We wouldn't have a 'RAINBOW CHILDREN' right after 'Rave Un2 The Joy Fantastic'. It is Prince's diversity, and restless musical journey, that allows these unexpected gems 2 contrast each other. The times have also changed, in such a way, where we don't listen 2 music the way we used 2. Back in 1987, we put the record on the turntable and listened. When one side was done, we anxiously flipped the record over 2 discover side 2. When it was a double album, we anxiously took the 1st record off the turntable, put it in it's sleeve, grabbed the 2nd record, cued it up, and waited anxiously 2 hear what musical mystery started side 3. Now, we have CDs or digital media, which we listen 2 on the fly, without a real sit down listening. I swear that if the 'Planet Earth' album was listened 2 properly, many would consider that a "masterwork"... Well, with the exception of "Mr Goodnight"... very well said with the xception about planet earth  man, he has such an amazing body of music that it's sad to see him constrict it down to the basics. he's too talented for the lineup he's doing. estelle 81 | |
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L4OATheOriginal said: Giovanni777 said: "Rusty1" has every right 2 express his opinion, but what really IS a "masterpiece", anyway?
It is usually used 2 name an artist's best work, out of the body of work they have created. If that's the case, then trying 2 pick one of Prince's works would not be easy. Certainly, '1999', 'Sign O' The Times', 'Lovesexy', and 'The Rainbow Children' would be the candidates. It's tough 2 leave out 'Purple Rain' and 'Parade', but I can EASILY forget about 'The Gold Experience'... one of my least fav albums. So I guess the question would be if one were 2 pick only one Prince album, which one would it be? 'Sign O' The Times' might just be the one, but U can't say that Prince hasn't released anything "as great as" that since then. Things change, times change, nothing is fixed or permanent. Thank GOD Prince changes 2, because we wouldn't have a 'Lovesexy' right after 'Sign O' The Times'... We wouldn't have an 'Around the World in a Day' right after 'Purple Rain'. We wouldn't have a 'RAINBOW CHILDREN' right after 'Rave Un2 The Joy Fantastic'. It is Prince's diversity, and restless musical journey, that allows these unexpected gems 2 contrast each other. The times have also changed, in such a way, where we don't listen 2 music the way we used 2. Back in 1987, we put the record on the turntable and listened. When one side was done, we anxiously flipped the record over 2 discover side 2. When it was a double album, we anxiously took the 1st record off the turntable, put it in it's sleeve, grabbed the 2nd record, cued it up, and waited anxiously 2 hear what musical mystery started side 3. Now, we have CDs or digital media, which we listen 2 on the fly, without a real sit down listening. I swear that if the 'Planet Earth' album was listened 2 properly, many would consider that a "masterwork"... Well, with the exception of "Mr Goodnight"... very well said with the xception about planet earth I knew you'd love that part. "He's a musician's musician..." |
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Graycap23 said: L4OATheOriginal said: okay then name a song that was a global wide hit other than crazy by gnarls barkley? Umbrella?  don't make me laugh ..that song had THE CRAPPIST lyrics i have ever heard in a long time ...
no wait ..the majority of planet earth had that ...but they weren't hits tho man, he has such an amazing body of music that it's sad to see him constrict it down to the basics. he's too talented for the lineup he's doing. estelle 81 | |
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Giovanni777 said: L4OATheOriginal said: very well said with the xception about planet earth I knew you'd love that part. i feel ya man, he has such an amazing body of music that it's sad to see him constrict it down to the basics. he's too talented for the lineup he's doing. estelle 81 | |
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L4OATheOriginal said: Graycap23 said: Umbrella? don't make me laugh ..that song had THE CRAPPIST lyrics i have ever heard in a long time ...
: I agree with u.....but it was still a "hit". | |
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L4OATheOriginal said: rusty1 said: i give u much alot of respect because you are from the new boogy groove but the gold experience is fine not a masterpiece. it doesn't compare 2 dirty mind or 1999 or purple rain,etc. the gold experience blows away anything he has done since that point. the rainbow children was great musically but very poor lyrically. big ups 2 steven marshall!
u caught my attention with the new boogy groove remark ..only certain in the know, know what that means... so who r u by chance? drop an orgnote if u don't want 2 say outloud   | |
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adorable2 said: rusty1 said: i was smiling from ear to ear when i first listened to that record. i was 16 yrs old and just felt the album covered many vast styles and musical genres. i sometimes get depressed thinking that he'll never come close to those heights again. why cant prince create one more masterpiece? do u fams feel he has it in him?
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purplecam said: viewaskew said: Oh, you mean like you, & Graycap23, who claim that people who don't think Prince has released anything as quality-packed & coherent since Sign o' the Times are ignorant? That hardly a factual assessment. Take a moment from your idol worship to get off your high horse. This thread was started about Sign o' the Times. Go start another one about pieces of shit like The Rainbow Children being his last real masterpiece, or Planet Earth being his last real masterpiece if you feel that's the case. You need to go and sit yo ass DOWN with that ignorant comment of yours. You're reading into something that wasn't there to read. If anyone around here needs to get off their high horse around it, it's YOU. | |
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L4OATheOriginal said: Giovanni777 said: I knew you'd love that part. i feel ya Even though we differ on 'Planet Earth' and "3 Chains O' Gold", we're still Yankees fans, right?? "He's a musician's musician..." |
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pennylover said: L4OATheOriginal said: u caught my attention with the new boogy groove remark ..only certain in the know, know what that means... so who r u by chance? drop an orgnote if u don't want 2 say outloud what's so funny? man, he has such an amazing body of music that it's sad to see him constrict it down to the basics. he's too talented for the lineup he's doing. estelle 81 | |
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Giovanni777 said: L4OATheOriginal said: i feel ya Even though we differ on 'Planet Earth' and "3 Chains O' Gold", we're still Yankees fans, right?? u got that shit right ..and this is a total highjack moment right here but i was taping that game yesterday while i was at work and set the vcr for 4 hours, my tape ended just as giambi hit that homer yesterday 
but that's alright and coco crisp needed his ass whooped yesterday  FUCK BOSTON!!!
okay back on topic man, he has such an amazing body of music that it's sad to see him constrict it down to the basics. he's too talented for the lineup he's doing. estelle 81 | |
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