I can understand why P might want to take down the stuff that's on these sites, but I think that, as a celebrity having your mug posted on the internet comes with the territory.

Kissmequick said:

Exactly what i was thinking!

deepabove said:

What law is being broken? Prince doesn't want ANY pictures of him used, whether or not he owns the image or not. He also wants to control what is said about him. It's against the law to give a bad review or to call Prince a twat?

I never thought I would hear myself say this, but he is really starting to turn me off.

lspear76 said:

nawwww what pisses me off is his fams acting like twats!

bro, he doesnt want you to post his copyright protected work without his permission. shit get over it already

what part dont you get?

lspear76 said:

That's what I want to know? I can't even get my tattoo for Christmas now because I won't be able to show it off to any one that would care!

violetblues said:

What copyright protected work? A photo not owned by him? My opinion that his music since 1987 sucks? Please tell me.

lspear76 said:

Listen carefully boy, if a person(maybe you) asks permission of owner of whatever copyright work, and if granted then its ok! and....sometimes people ask that you pay a fee for their work
got it.

1sexymf said:

I think we all are, at this point.

deepabove said:

But it's different. You're not a celeb/personality. If you had a fanbase and they admired your work and posted photos of you because they found you to be an inspiration, would you request that they removed the photos, even if they were not for gain? Sure you would have the right, but would you? That's what this is really about. Sometimes you can get so lost in rigidity, that you're just...
well lost.

anon said:

Exactly! And I think the main difference with your being a photgrapher is that you own the copyright for your work. Does Prince own the copyright for photos that he's in just because he's the subject of the photo?

I think it would be one thing if a photograhper asked for a pic to be removed from a site; it's another for a celebrity to ask that the sites be cleansed of his image.

violetblues said:

Why should I pay Prince if I want to show a picture of a tattoo that's on my body, on the internet?

minniemiko89 said:

The problem with Prince's "I don't want to be idolized" logic is that he's inconsistent. He uses it as an excuse for not signing autographs, and yet he sells a fucking pillowcase with his face on it at his shows and prompts his audience to scream his name in unison.

Either you don't want to be idolized or you do, Prince. Make up your mind.

Hate Hate Hate is as fleeting as laughter if u let it be. I have learned that we can assume someone else other than ourselves is feeling hate....

And what that means is that we do not understand something about ourselves.

Imago repeatedly says Prince hates his fans, and therefore does not understand why he says things like that.

minniemiko89 said:

a person who does not want to be idolized does not ask people to spend $3,000 to spend a couple of hours listening to him sing and play guitar.

other than someone who thinks they're an idol, i can only think of one other type of person who'd charge $3,000 for an evening of entertainment, and i don't think prince wants me to say what kind of person that is.

PicassoFace said:

Also people don't care if photographers and writers make a stink about these things...many of them don't have a fan/celeb relationship to consider. It's the relationship part that seems to have angered/annoyed/frustrated people the most, here. You really can't measure that. You can't make a business formula out of peoples emotions and their dedication. This is were principle, and not dogma should rule.

Okay, so my question is, if Prince follows through with the cease and blah-blah order, what if we go to log-in here one day and the site no longer exists?

What will we do?

Will our names and contact info be preserved some way so as that we can keep in touch or at least get picked-up in some reincarnated format of another board?

Doesn't Prince realize he has created a Family of Fans... a "Fanily" that can be torn apart by his threats? What will become of us orphans then?

anon said:
But it's different. You're not a celeb/personality. If you had a fanbase and they admired your work and posted photos of you because they found you to be an inspiration, would you request that they removed the photos, even if they were not for gain? Sure you would have the right, but would you? That's what this is really about. Sometimes you can get so lost in rigidity, that you're just...
well lost.[/quote]


Lol that is such bullshit,....youre saying Because you love prince then its ok?



If you ask permission and receive permission to take something or use something its fine,
...If you take something without permission its called "stealing," is that so foreign?

Furthermore, why would anybody work at anything and then be told its OK not to pay you for your work?
And im not just talking about Prince you selfish little fucks, im talking about everybody's rights, music people, videogames, movies, writers photographers and yours also.

Does their work hold no value to you cause you can get for free, sure all you had to do is sit on your ass and download it, you dont sweat it.
jeeezzzz
[Edited 11/5/07 21:12pm]

deepabove said:

okay, that's all really nifty.

but what if someone is threatening to sue because they claim their IMAGE is copyrighted, regardless of whether or not they literally own the photographs in question? What if someone is threatening to sue if someone displays a picture of a tattoo which happens to be in the shape of a glyph created to represent the person suing? this is the kind of thing we're dealing with here.

violetblues said:

As I said, "sometimes you get so lost in the rigidity...that you're just lost" You SO miss the point here. Maybe because you don't have a fan base to consider (I don't mean that as a slight). We all get that it's his right and that it's your right...but you didn't answer the question. What would YOU do?

[/quote]As I said, "sometimes you get so lost in the rigidity...that you're just lost" You SO miss the point here. Maybe because you don't have a fan base to consider (I don't mean that as a slight). We all get that it's his right and that it's your right...but you didn't answer the question. What would YOU do?[/quote]


No slight taken, and i understand some fans (FAMS) feels that they have earned something for their loyalty. But there are still the laws to protect peoples intectual property.
Yes he should respect the fans that pay for his work, likewise there their has to be respect for work.

violetblues said:

Well said!!!!!

violetblues said:

i believe that prince should protect his PRODUCT - that which he created or was/is sold under his name. songs, albums, movies, even the music videos that aren't available on DVD. FINE. protect them to the fullest. that's prince's meal ticket. it's his life's work and he has a right to be overprotective if he likes.

but a parody of an album cover?
fan photography?
a picture of a symbol tattoo on someone's leg?
a baby dancing in a youtube clip with "let's go crazy" in the background?

i'm sorry, dude's gone too far. prince and his music are part of this world, and pieces of him and his work are going to pop up in the periphery of photos and videos. to expect otherwise across the board isn't just arrogance, it's delusional.

violetblues said:

I must say it again.....Well said!!!!!
[Edited 11/5/07 21:32pm]

violetblues said:

Lol that is such bullshit,....youre saying Because you love prince then its ok?



If you ask permission and receive permission to take something or use something its fine,
...If you take something without permission its called "stealing," is that so foreign?

Furthermore, why would anybody work at anything and then be told its OK not to pay you for your work?
And im not just talking about Prince you selfish little fucks, im talking about everybody's rights, music people, videogames, movies, writers photographers and yours also.

Does their work hold no value to you cause you can get for free, sure all you had to do is sit on your ass and download it, you dont sweat it.
jeeezzzz
[Edited 11/5/07 21:12pm]
[/quote]

You keep insisting that Prince isn't getting paid for his work! What work is he not getting paid for? Outside of bootlegs...which we all pretty much agree is understandable but not an issue on this site...what work is Prince not getting paid for? The majority of the stuff we're really talking about here is stuff that he's gotten paid for, I couldn't even tell you how many times already!

What? Are we supposed to pay him every time we look at his picture, hear his music, mention his name?

Anxiety said:

you take out that baby dancing (which could arguably be illegal) and you are left with actions that are not against the law. please, somebody justify wasting the courts (and our) time litigating these actions?

Anxiety said:

Yes youre right on most counts,...lol

.i aplaud anybody specially this crazy lil bro that will stand up on this issue instead of just throwing his hands up in the air and giving up like theres nothing you can do about,
.....and i dont mean about the stupid baby or someones tattoo, i mean DVD's photos, software or anything else taken withought permission just cause its so easy.


I like the Principle of the thing, and hope he gets some recognition when new laws are eventually put in place to catch up to the internet and all future distribution channels
[Edited 11/5/07 22:07pm]

LADIES AND GENTLEMEN

WHOSE PRINCE ?



PEACE LISA

violetblues said:

see, he did the crackdown on music/videos a while back. while there was a lot of grumbling, the man had a point. *THAT* was actually *HIS*. make whatever "legal" arguments you want, but just on a moral/ethical level, the music he makes and the images he creates should be respected as a part of him. okay, that's fine. we get it.

MEANWHILE

the house i live in has prince posters all over the place. you mean to tell me that if we have a party and i take pictures of my friends in my home, i can't post them on MySpace if there's a prince poster showing in the background??? that's FAIR?

i think that's a bunch of crap.

I found this while checking out L4OA on the web.

http://jam.canoe.ca/Music...48856.html

This article was written in March 1999. So this whole new issue with Prince

isn't really new after all is it?

I would just like to know what exactly Prince wants to accomplish with this

new onslot of image control tactics?

What are we really talkin' about here Bro? I'd like to know...