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PrintableShorty said: AsianBomb777 said: How is it that he can spew the N-word umpteen billion times in an interview and get away with that shit?
People are getting tired of hearing it, even in that context. oy. Prince didn't claw his way out of obscurity to become the greatest musician of all time to become Lil Wayne's N@gga. I don't know this "lil wayne" character but is he really "lil" like a kid maybe? cause if he's a grown adult...  he sounds like a moron.yup. I mean, the word itself isn't called for, but to address it to the likes of Prince? That's like throwing that word around to your familiy doctor or something. Disrespectful and downright tacky
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krayzie said: Funkmeimfamous said: IMO Prince is one of the best vocal PHRASERS in rock history. The way he shapes a song with his singing is not to be underestimated. Two of the biggest examples lie in When Doves Cry and Adore - songs that are held together almost entirely by the singing.
So there are different measures of GREAT singing. With Prince it's WHAT he does with the ability that he has. Alot of people out there have 'nice' sounding voices... but not many have explored the gift in such creative and ever challenging ways.  There are different measures of GREAT singing. Because there are different kind of music. Prince is first of all an r&b singer, and as a r&b singer, he is NOT a great singer. wow now this is just plain creepy.. i take it u have never heard him sing Do Me Baby live... | |
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krayzie said: Funkmeimfamous said: IMO Prince is one of the best vocal PHRASERS in rock history. The way he shapes a song with his singing is not to be underestimated. Two of the biggest examples lie in When Doves Cry and Adore - songs that are held together almost entirely by the singing.
So there are different measures of GREAT singing. With Prince it's WHAT he does with the ability that he has. Alot of people out there have 'nice' sounding voices... but not many have explored the gift in such creative and ever challenging ways. There are different measures of GREAT singing. Because there are different kind of music. Prince is first of all an r&b singer, and as a r&b singer, he is NOT a great singer. Well I consider rock 'n' roll to include R&B.... since rock 'n' roll was the name given to R&B or race music by a white DJ to make it more accessible to the masses. Prince is very much a rock 'n' roll artist, as is the guy in your avatar. I think Prince's vocal phrasing is up there with the likes of Otis Redding and Sam Cooke. But that's just me. Baby, that was much too fast... 1958-2016 | |
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adorable2 said: krayzie said: There are different measures of GREAT singing. Because there are different kind of music. Prince is first of all an r&b singer, and as a r&b singer, he is NOT a great singer. wow now this is just plain creepy.. i take it u have never heard him sing Do Me Baby live... The fact that so many fans have to name songs like Adore or Do Me Baby to prove that he can sing shows that Prince is not great singer. A lot of average r&b singer sounds better with their falsetto. You know, great soul singer like Marivn Gaye or Luther Vandross didn't need to hit high notes to show they can sing. This is what great singers are all about. When an artist needs to sing high pitched songs to shine, there's a problem. Again, I repeat, Prince is NOT a great r&b singer, just because he sounds good with his falsetto don't make him a GREAT singer. | |
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Falsetto singing is a staple of R&B and Soul music and he is damn great at it. That makes him a GREAT singer IMO (Amongst other things that I pointed out previously). Al Green's (AMAZING) falsetto is the main thing he has going for him but he's still considered a great singer. On the flip side, Otis Redding didn't have a strong falsetto voice but is still a great singer. Hence why I think there are different measures of great singing. But then you have freaks of nature like Sam Cooke, Jackie Wilson, Jeff Buckley, Marvin Gaye etc, whose lower and higher registers, full voices, falsettos, controls, phrasing, ranges etc were just brillaint. Prince ain't quite in that league in overall greatness but there are certain areas such phrasing where he is world class. Baby, that was much too fast... 1958-2016 | |
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krayzie said: adorable2 said: [/b]
wow now this is just plain creepy.. i take it u have never heard him sing Do Me Baby live... The fact that so many fans have to name songs like Adore or Do Me Baby to prove that he can sing shows that Prince is not great singer. A lot of average r&b singer sounds better with their falsetto. You know, great soul singer like Marivn Gaye or Luther Vandross didn't need to hit high notes to show they can sing. This is what great singers are all about. When an artist needs to sing high pitched songs to shine, there's a problem. Again, I repeat, Prince is NOT a great r&b singer, just because he sounds good with his falsetto don't make him a GREAT singer. Again u talk of sound... the timbre of his voice when he sings falsetto etc. Its already been established that P doesn't have the best voice... u keeping harping on that as if a nice voice somehow is the equivalent of being able to sing. Its not its two different things. U know this is the reason why young people today can't treasure singers like Billie Holiday and Bobby Womack because they think its all about the voice.. they don't listen to how the voice is being used.. Once again P doesn't have a voice like Luther, but he can sing his ass off. You are getting the two totally twisted. I know people who have voices that are clear as a bell but can't carry a tune in a bucket... | |
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adorable2 said: krayzie said: The fact that so many fans have to name songs like Adore or Do Me Baby to prove that he can sing shows that Prince is not great singer. A lot of average r&b singer sounds better with their falsetto. You know, great soul singer like Marivn Gaye or Luther Vandross didn't need to hit high notes to show they can sing. This is what great singers are all about. When an artist needs to sing high pitched songs to shine, there's a problem. Again, I repeat, Prince is NOT a great r&b singer, just because he sounds good with his falsetto don't make him a GREAT singer. Again u talk of sound... the timbre of his voice when he sings falsetto etc. Its already been established that P doesn't have the best voice... u keeping harping on that as if a nice voice somehow is the equivalent of being able to sing. Its not its two different things. U know this is the reason why young people today can't treasure singers like Billie Holiday and Bobby Womack because they think its all about the voice.. they don't listen to how the voice is being used.. Once again P doesn't have a voice like Luther, but he can sing his ass off. You are getting the two totally twisted. I know people who have voices that are clear as a bell but can't carry a tune in a bucket... How can you be a great singer if you don't have a great voice in the first place ? Prince is not a great singer BECAUSE he doesn't have a great voice. But to follow what you said, I don't judge Prince only based on his voice. Since Prince is an r&b singer, he has not developed at all his melisma, his vibrato is not strong and he can sing long notes like most great r&b singers. Prince's head voice is definitely average by any standard. Serioulsy name one song where Prince shines with his head voice ? His falsetto is what makes him special. | |
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chocolate1 said: dumbass said: Prince isn't a great singer. that is true. he isn't. that doesn't mean he isn't great.
but the guy is giving Prince props and you imbeciles still can't see the forest through the trees. any hint of Prince not being applauded 100 percent and you fools have a reptilian response to just attack and criticize, and a complete inability to actually analyze what was actually said. I always thought Prince fans were rather ignorant and self applauding, but now I see you lack not only the intelligence to comprehend anything more complex than "Prince is the best, yer yer," but have the inability to actually stop and think and simply live your life through knee jerk responses, like a reptile, to the first thought that comes to mind. so for you ignorant SOB's, I'll break down what was said so you can realize the guy is applauding Prince and you don't feel attacked: "Prince can't sing, but that nigga is funky don't need to know how to sing. he write his ass off and jam a song like nobody's business. the fact that he can pump out jammin songs and can't sing a lick only make that nigga even funkier." god forbid everybody in the world doesn't think Prince farts gold dust that can cure cancer. what is wrong with you people? it's called an ad hominem attack, when you have no argument to disute their position so you simply attack the arguer, and is mostly used by ignorant people who can't analyze whart is being said and do not posses the aility to address it. [Edited 7/6/07 13:41pm]  Slo your damn roll.... 
Thank U for your translation of "rapper-ese", but your presentation just then left a LOT to be desired. I actually got Li'l Wayne's point... That rapper came off rude, disrespectful and out-of-line, props or no props. And before U come back at me with some "I wasn't talking to U" crap, U offended me whether or not it was directly shot at me. (See bold phrases  ) I'm no "fam", but DAMN! Was all that necessary?! Sometimes people hide behind computer screens and say stuff they would never say to people's faces...  LOL, I'm glad you caught that. On the one hand, he's criticizing ad hominem attacks. On the other, he's calling people ignorant, imbeciles, and fools. I love it... Haha...  
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adorable2 said: krayzie said: The fact that so many fans have to name songs like Adore or Do Me Baby to prove that he can sing shows that Prince is not great singer. A lot of average r&b singer sounds better with their falsetto. You know, great soul singer like Marivn Gaye or Luther Vandross didn't need to hit high notes to show they can sing. This is what great singers are all about. When an artist needs to sing high pitched songs to shine, there's a problem. Again, I repeat, Prince is NOT a great r&b singer, just because he sounds good with his falsetto don't make him a GREAT singer. Again u talk of sound... the timbre of his voice when he sings falsetto etc. Its already been established that P doesn't have the best voice... u keeping harping on that as if a nice voice somehow is the equivalent of being able to sing. Its not its two different things. U know this is the reason why young people today can't treasure singers like Billie Holiday and Bobby Womack because they think its all about the voice.. they don't listen to how the voice is being used.. Once again P doesn't have a voice like Luther, but he can sing his ass off. You are getting the two totally twisted. I know people who have voices that are clear as a bell but can't carry a tune in a bucket... Right! Krayzie is dwelling on the tone of his voice. That's one element of great singing... you then have things like dynamics, control, range, power, phrasing etc. Baby, that was much too fast... 1958-2016 | |
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You know what if you think he can't sing than keep thinking that. I have watched people cry when Prince sings Adore. He flat out kills with that song when he does it live.
He is not Luther or Marvin but he can sing when he wants to. ----- krayzie said: adorable2 said: [/b]
wow now this is just plain creepy.. i take it u have never heard him sing Do Me Baby live... The fact that so many fans have to name songs like Adore or Do Me Baby to prove that he can sing shows that Prince is not great singer. A lot of average r&b singer sounds better with their falsetto. You know, great soul singer like Marivn Gaye or Luther Vandross didn't need to hit high notes to show they can sing. This is what great singers are all about. When an artist needs to sing high pitched songs to shine, there's a problem. Again, I repeat, Prince is NOT a great r&b singer, just because he sounds good with his falsetto don't make him a GREAT singer. | |
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Funkmeimfamous said: adorable2 said: Again u talk of sound... the timbre of his voice when he sings falsetto etc. Its already been established that P doesn't have the best voice... u keeping harping on that as if a nice voice somehow is the equivalent of being able to sing. Its not its two different things. U know this is the reason why young people today can't treasure singers like Billie Holiday and Bobby Womack because they think its all about the voice.. they don't listen to how the voice is being used.. Once again P doesn't have a voice like Luther, but he can sing his ass off. You are getting the two totally twisted. I know people who have voices that are clear as a bell but can't carry a tune in a bucket... Right! Krayzie is dwelling on the tone of his voice. That's one element of great singing... you then have things like dynamics, control, range, power, phrasing etc. I sing r&b/soul music. I'm a bass baritone singer. So I know what singing is about. Let's talk about melisma, this guy has NO melisma. The range of his natural voice is limited, he's not a tenor so he can't hit higher notes. He's got no power in his voice? He CAN'T HANDLE LONG NOTES WITH HIS NATURAL VOICE. His vibrato is inconsistent. P is not a great singer by any means, but most importantly he's not a great r&b singer though. Period. He doesn't have a great voice. And his skills are limited. | |
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krayzie said: Funkmeimfamous said: Right! Krayzie is dwelling on the tone of his voice. That's one element of great singing... you then have things like dynamics, control, range, power, phrasing etc. I sing r&b/soul music. I'm a bass baritone singer. So I know what singing is about. Let's talk about melisma, this guy has NO melisma. The range of his natural voice is limited, he's not a tenor so he can't hit higher notes. He's got no power in his voice? He CAN'T HANDLE LONG NOTES WITH HIS NATURAL VOICE. His vibrato is inconsistent. P is not a great singer by any means, but most importantly he's not a great r&b singer though. Period. He doesn't have a great voice. And his skills are limited. If you say so!
I know this though, you do not amass the kind of musical success Prince has, for as long as Prince has been doing it with "limited skills"! | |
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krayzie said: Funkmeimfamous said: Right! Krayzie is dwelling on the tone of his voice. That's one element of great singing... you then have things like dynamics, control, range, power, phrasing etc. I sing r&b/soul music. I'm a bass baritone singer. So I know what singing is about. Let's talk about melisma, this guy has NO melisma. The range of his natural voice is limited, he's not a tenor so he can't hit higher notes. He's got no power in his voice? He CAN'T HANDLE LONG NOTES WITH HIS NATURAL VOICE. His vibrato is inconsistent. P is not a great singer by any means, but most importantly he's not a great r&b singer though. Period. He doesn't have a great voice. And his skills are limited. ur wrong on so many levels... u and ur bass baritone voice... | |
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SexyBeautifulOne said: krayzie said: I sing r&b/soul music. I'm a bass baritone singer. So I know what singing is about. Let's talk about melisma, this guy has NO melisma. The range of his natural voice is limited, he's not a tenor so he can't hit higher notes. He's got no power in his voice? He CAN'T HANDLE LONG NOTES WITH HIS NATURAL VOICE. His vibrato is inconsistent. P is not a great singer by any means, but most importantly he's not a great r&b singer though. Period. He doesn't have a great voice. And his skills are limited. If you say so!
I know this though, you do not amass the kind of musical success Prince has, for as long as Prince has been doing it with "limited skills"! Oh yes you can. Lot of singers with limited skills have succeeded. Look at Hendrix, Bob Dylan, Janet Jackson even Madonna... etc I'm sorry but Prince is not a great r&b singer. Sorry. | |
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krayzie said: SexyBeautifulOne said: If you say so!
I know this though, you do not amass the kind of musical success Prince has, for as long as Prince has been doing it with "limited skills"! Oh yes you can. Lot of singers with limited skills have succeeded. Look at Hendrix, Bob Dylan, Janet Jackson even Madonna... etc I'm sorry but Prince is not a great r&b singer. Sorry.  That's your opinion and you're welcome it. I still disagree!  | |
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adorable2 said: krayzie said: I sing r&b/soul music. I'm a bass baritone singer. So I know what singing is about. Let's talk about melisma, this guy has NO melisma. The range of his natural voice is limited, he's not a tenor so he can't hit higher notes. He's got no power in his voice? He CAN'T HANDLE LONG NOTES WITH HIS NATURAL VOICE. His vibrato is inconsistent. P is not a great singer by any means, but most importantly he's not a great r&b singer though. Period. He doesn't have a great voice. And his skills are limited. ur wrong on so many levels... u and ur bass baritone voice... You say I'm wrong, but you have no argument | |
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krayzie said: adorable2 said: ur wrong on so many levels... u and ur bass baritone voice... You say I'm wrong, but you have no argument I've already stated my argument... now its much easier to just speak the plain truth... A great voice doesn't equal a great singer just as a not so great voice doesn't equal a bad singer. And u sir, keep making arguements about P's voice or lack thereof. Prime example Billie Holiday had a voice that was not the best and she had a considerable limit to her range but she was on of the finest singers to ever record. In fact at the end of her career her voice was a complete rasp but she still delivered the songs like " I'm A Fool To Want You" in a way that hasn't been duplicated to this day. Now u can go ahead and post the same shit u've been posting for the past month and I can continue to shake my head in utter disbelief... [Edited 8/8/07 14:43pm] | |
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adorable2 said: krayzie said: You say I'm wrong, but you have no argument I've already stated my argument... now its much easier to just speak the plain truth... A great voice doesn't equal a great singer just as a not so great voice doesn't equal a bad singer. And u sir, keep making arguements about P's voice or lack thereof. Prime example Billie Holiday had a voice that was not the best and she had a considerable limit to her range but she was on of the finest singers to ever record. In fact at the end of her career her voice was a complete rasp but she still delivered the songs like " I'm A Fool To Want You" in a way that hasn't been duplicated to this day. Now u can go ahead and post the same shit u've been posting for the past month and I can continue to shake my head in utter disbelief... [Edited 8/8/07 14:43pm] First of all I'm talking about Prince not Billie Holliday. PLEASE BRING ARGUMENTS THAT PROVE THAT PRINCE IS INDEED A GREAT R&B SINGER. P doesn't have a great voice. And also he's not a great r&b singer. What makes P special is his falsetto. Period | |
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krayzie said: adorable2 said: I've already stated my argument... now its much easier to just speak the plain truth... A great voice doesn't equal a great singer just as a not so great voice doesn't equal a bad singer. And u sir, keep making arguements about P's voice or lack thereof. Prime example Billie Holiday had a voice that was not the best and she had a considerable limit to her range but she was on of the finest singers to ever record. In fact at the end of her career her voice was a complete rasp but she still delivered the songs like " I'm A Fool To Want You" in a way that hasn't been duplicated to this day. Now u can go ahead and post the same shit u've been posting for the past month and I can continue to shake my head in utter disbelief... [Edited 8/8/07 14:43pm] First of all I'm talking about Prince not Billie Holliday. PLEASE BRING ARGUMENTS THAT PROVE THAT PRINCE IS INDEED A GREAT R&B SINGER. P doesn't have a great voice. And also he's not a great r&b singer. What makes P special is his falsetto. Period Right and ur wrong period. If u wanted to u would go back and read what I and countless others have pointed out about Prince's singing and what makes him a great singer. Obviously u have no desire to see things in any other light... So thats why I'm not going to waste any more time. I used Billie Holiday because the same thing that makes her a great singer is the same thing that makes P a great singer voice aside.. So like I said keep saying the same shit on a different day and ur still wrong... | |
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adorable2 said: krayzie said: First of all I'm talking about Prince not Billie Holliday. PLEASE BRING ARGUMENTS THAT PROVE THAT PRINCE IS INDEED A GREAT R&B SINGER. P doesn't have a great voice. And also he's not a great r&b singer. What makes P special is his falsetto. Period Right and ur wrong period. If u wanted to u would go back and read what I and countless others have pointed out about Prince's singing and what makes him a great singer. Obviously u have no desire to see things in any other light... So thats why I'm not going to waste any more time. I used Billie Holiday because the same thing that makes her a great singer is the same thing that makes P a great singer voice aside.. So like I said keep saying the same shit on a different day and ur still wrong... You use Billie Holliday BECAUSE YOU CANT BRING ARGUMENTS THAT PROVE THAT P IS INDEED A GREAT SINGER ... Billie holliday is not Prince. Billie Holliday has nothing to do with P. We are talking about P. So bring arguments that show that P is a great singer. This is what I want to know. | |
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krayzie said: adorable2 said: Right and ur wrong period. If u wanted to u would go back and read what I and countless others have pointed out about Prince's singing and what makes him a great singer. Obviously u have no desire to see things in any other light... So thats why I'm not going to waste any more time. I used Billie Holiday because the same thing that makes her a great singer is the same thing that makes P a great singer voice aside.. So like I said keep saying the same shit on a different day and ur still wrong... You use Billie Holliday BECAUSE YOU CANT BRING ARGUMENTS THAT PROVE THAT P IS INDEED A GREAT SINGER ... Billie holliday is not Prince. Billie Holliday has nothing to do with P. We are talking about P. So bring arguments that show that P is a great singer. This is what I want to know. Once again ur wrong and only reading what YOU choose. Go back through this thread and read what I and others have already stated about P's singing and then if u still disagree fine but u r wrong in ur assessment of what makes singers great which mainly ur arguement is his voice (u keep insisting on bringing up natural and falsetto). Whether or not he sings in his natural or falsetto is neither here nor there. Hell Eddie Kendricks sung in his falsetto all the time and u will not deny he was a great singer unless u own no Qtips from birth until now... Like I said I have already stated why P is a great singer you just haven't read the posts or u have ignored them so u can keep bringing up his voice instead of his skills. Then I chose to bring up other singers who support my argument about P and u get ignorant and accuse me of never stating why P is a good singer. Anydamnway... I and others have stated why he is a good singer and even given examples of his songs that prove this. I myself am a singer and I know P is a good singer and there are cats out there who have better voices but can not sing and deliver a song like he does. Maybe the problem is that P makes it sound so easy and effortless that people like u take it for granted that it takes skill to sing the way he does. This is most definitely my last post in response to u because it has become painfully obvious that u r choosing not to look at the arguments objectively and u just want to stay stuck on ur opinion and thats fine with me really. | |
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adorable2 said: krayzie said: You use Billie Holliday BECAUSE YOU CANT BRING ARGUMENTS THAT PROVE THAT P IS INDEED A GREAT SINGER ... Billie holliday is not Prince. Billie Holliday has nothing to do with P. We are talking about P. So bring arguments that show that P is a great singer. This is what I want to know. Once again ur wrong and only reading what YOU choose. Go back through this thread and read what I and others have already stated about P's singing and then if u still disagree fine but u r wrong in ur assessment of what makes singers great which mainly ur arguement is his voice (u keep insisting on bringing up natural and falsetto). Whether or not he sings in his natural or falsetto is neither here nor there. Wrong, I didn't mainly mention his voice. You didn't respond at all when I said that P has NO melisma skills. The range of his natural voice is limited, he can't hit higher notes with his natural voice. He CAN'T HOLD LONG NOTES WITH HIS NATURAL VOICE. And His vibrato is INCONSISTENT. And I can prove everything I said by giving you examples. I really want you to prove me that P can sing long notes, has a very developped melisma or has a deep vibrato. We are talking about skills NOT voice. Since he has done a lot of songs, I'm sure you can find songs that show that. I can name a lot of r&b artists who don't have a great voice in the first place but have strong vibrato, melisma skills and can hold long notes. adorable2 said: Hell Eddie Kendricks sung in his falsetto all the time and u will not deny he was a great singer unless u own no Qtips from birth until now...
Here we go again, you talk about other singers. We are talking about Prince, not Eddie Kendricks . adorable2 said: Like I said I have already stated why P is a great singer you just haven't read the posts or u have ignored them so u can keep bringing up his voice instead of his skills. Then I chose to bring up other singers who support my argument about P and u get ignorant and accuse me of never stating why P is a good singer. Anydamnway... I and others have stated why he is a good singer and even given examples of his songs that prove this. I myself am a singer and I know P is a good singer and there are cats out there who have better voices but can not sing and deliver a song like he does. Maybe the problem is that P makes it sound so easy and effortless that people like u take it for granted that it takes skill to sing the way he does. This is most definitely my last post in response to u because it has become painfully obvious that u r choosing not to look at the arguments objectively and u just want to stay stuck on ur opinion and thats fine with me really. Please BRING arguments ! I just tried to find your so called statements in this thread and YOU NEVER stated anything in your posts. The only one who tried to bring some arguments is Funkmeimfamous. And several people in this thread said that he's not a great singer. You have never been able to bring examples that show why P is such a great singer. [Edited 8/9/07 13:42pm] | |
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Oh for goodness' sake
If Prince is a good singer or not is up to you to decide. If you like it, that's great, if you don't, then ok. Why do you need proof, krayzie? We all have our preferences and own ideas of what a great voice should sound like. I myself cannot for the world understand why you'd think Prince is not a great singer and I could accuse you for being deaf and unmusical and whatnot, but I won't go there... But it confuses me why you can't hear it  | |
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VenusBlingBling said: Oh for goodness' sake
If Prince is a good singer or not is up to you to decide. If you like it, that's great, if you don't, then ok. Why do you need proof, krayzie? We all have our preferences and own ideas of what a great voice should sound like. I myself cannot for the world understand why you'd think Prince is not a great singer and I could accuse you for being deaf and unmusical and whatnot, but I won't go there... But it confuses me why you can't hear it This is NOT about preferences, I'm a huge Stevie Wonder fan, but he's not my favorite singer, but he is a great singer. Strong falsetto, strong vibrato, strong melisma, and he can sing long notes. And the range of his natural voice is deep. I can't say the same for Prince. He only shines when he sings high pitched falsetto songs. | |
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