ccollin88 said:

Okay, its time to lock this thread. This guy has not answered any of the points raised intelligently or with any substance and now he thinks he's Jesus. Look at the gibberish nonsense above. This is stupid.
[Edited 7/22/06 9:28am]

vainandy said:

bullshit....yALL KILL ME WITH THIS PRINCE PICKS UP AN INSTRUMENT AND PLAYS IT SHIT.....THE DUDE PRACTICED HIS ASS OFF AS A TEEN BECAUSE HE WAS 4"9' TALL AND HE COULDNT PLAY SPORTS....SO WHAT DO MOST DWEEBS WHO CANT PLAY SPORTS DO.....PLAY MUSIC!

ccollin88 said:

I resent that! I 4 1 can play basketball and football and volleyball and kickball very well. But yet i still practice my ass off in music. I stayed up 2 about 2:00 or 3 last night practicin'. And from what I've heard but do not know 4 sure Prince kicked magic johnsons ass in basketball.

wonder505 said:

you should think before you speak....I never said i was Jesus! I said my actions are jesus like in bringing the ignorant to the light,....there is a big difference!

wonder505 said:

you should think before you speak....I never said i was Jesus! I said my actions are jesus like in bringing the ignorant to the light,....there is a big difference!

Prince is considered the greatest of all time to those who perceive him as such. Art is a state of heart and soul, and to one what might seem to be a "has been" or is no longer on top, to another might seem to be on top of his game and better than ever before. To state inclusively that Prince is no longer the greatest, or has lost his musicianship, is a judgement call, and not a statement of fact. Prince creates art, and as such, art is judged only by the one viewing/listening to the art and no two will ever judge it exactly the same, because art will never touch two people in exactly the same way.

To me, Prince is the greatest of all time because as I look back over his career, I can find music through all eras and styles that Prince has created that speaks to me, touches me heart and soul, and somehow seems to define so eloquently what I was feeling in that moment. To me, no one can play the guitar as beautifully as Prince. To me, no one can seem to touch every emotion with just a single note of that guitar, held so long that I feel myself drifting with that note, never wanting it to end, but yet not quite able to deny my excitement for that next note.

Through the years, Prince has been able to touch many people. There are those that long for the Prince of 20 years ago, wanting to see that "edge" that first defined Prince and raised eyebrows and caused government to put labels on albums as being "not recommended for children" and for others, this new Prince, touches them in the way that the old Prince touched the others. Prince's values have evolved throughout his career, and his music has reflected those changing values. For some of us, our values have changed, evolved, grown and become more adult along with Prince, and so his music reflects our values as well. For others, they long to not see the music reflect these new values, but would rather see the get down and get funky and dirty and nasty Prince and leave his new values out of the music. Neither is right, neither is wrong, because it's art, and art reflects not only the artist but the one perceiving the art. And what makes Prince the greatest in my humble opinion, is that Prince can always find someone who can look at what he has created and feel it with their heart and soul. While some may listen and hear only scribbles, others may listen and hear a masterpiece.

There is no way to definitely state what era Prince was the greatest in and have it be true for all people across the board, because we each perceive and feel things in our own way, and therefore what may touch us deeply, might not even scratch the surface of someone else.

I also wanted to add that art is not defined by awards, or number sold, but rather by how it moves a person, or touches them. So to even try to state that someone has lost their artistic ability because they no longer sell a large amount, or sell out concert venues, or whatever, is also something that cannot define the artistic value of what one creates. Since art is a personal experience, and the value of that art to the one perceiving it is a personal value, one cannot define the greatness of that art through monetary gains/losses. I've seen some art pieces that look awful to me, but have sold for millions of dollars. I've also seen art pieces that really touch me, speak to me, make a statement to me, and the artist is either giving it away or selling it for a very low price. To me, the art piece that touches me and moves me and doesn't cost a lot, has more value than the one that looks awful to me and doesn't touch me in anyway but has sold for millions. So again, the value is given by the one listening, seeing, touching, experiencing, and not by industry numbers.

EmancipationLover said:

shine by luther vandross....kills anything on 3121

ccollin88 said:

1. This is not what I call a "massive hit" - no one in Europe knows this record.

2. You failed to answer - when was it released?

EmancipationLover said:

it just came out...usher's last album 2 years ago jam and lewis did also huge hit

ccollin88 said:

How can it be a massive hit when it just came out?

And if it just came out, it has to be an old recording, because Luther is dead.

EmancipationLover said:

luther recorded it before he died and jam and lewis put the chicken grease on it

EmancipationLover said:

luther recorded it before he died and jam and lewis put the chicken grease on it

ccollin88 said:

look - I have been extremely patient throughout your excesseive taunting teasing and arguging with people in here - BUT ive had it with you - why cant you be a nice person - using criticism in a positive way - instead of winding people up - Im asking you nicely here.....

BSK3601 said:

Quincy jones has earned the right to judge prince and whomever he wants too.he is the DUDE after all.....I org noted you because i didnt want you to take it personal this ass whippin you getting tryin to debate my obviously superior higher order thinkin skills..
I am trying to bring you from a positon of darkness to light....I am baptist so I am taught to try and help the ignorant not ridicule....its okay to be ignorant...that can be fixed...but stupidity is forever....I dont want you to spend your life as a peasant slug believing everything you hear....Prince is great, but I as a keeper of ALL that is virtuous and true, WILL NOT sit by and listen to him fart on records without taking action...when you think about IT I'm like jesus...I'm taking one for the team....the prince lovers team

ccollin88 said:

This is comedic genius!

ccollin88 said:

Who cares?

wonder505 said:

Agreed. The American mainstream buying public are lazy idiots. Miles, T. Monk, Nina Simone, and Meshell Ndegeocello haven't sold boat loads of cd's. And you're a little late on the Jam/Lewis hit train. Besides, they were trained in the skill of songwriting during all their karoke drills doing Prince-penned (and performed) "Time" songs in concert.

jdcxc said:

as an american...we are the smartest country in the world...thats why all the other countries tryin to get here! second jam and lewis still rollin.....I never debated that prince schooled them...student has surpassed teacher which is the true goal of education anyway

ccollin88 said:

You know, I can't even get mad at you, because your writing is so retarded and sad it's becoming hilarious . Jdcxc made a good comment about the state of the buying public when it comes to music and other musicians, and instead of you answering to that point, you say Americans are smart and everyone wants to come here.


By the way, you didn't answer Emancipation's question.

wonder505 said:

first of all i did answer econstpation's question...second...every foreigner in the world tryin to get to america...and americans are smart...hell we got bill gates and howard shultz

ccollin88 said:

What does Bill Gates have to do with the music industry and what does immigration have to do with the buying public when it comes to mainstream music????? OMG, you're pathetic!!!!! HA HA HA HA

And no you didn't answer the question. You were asked what was JJ and TL last hit. You said Luther Vandross' "Shine" which has not even charted in the top 50.

wonder505 said:

i lot sooner than princes last hit the most beautiful...12 years ago...ha,ha,ha

ccollin88 said:

But in your world it wouldn't be a JJ and TL big hit because it has not even charted in the top 50 so your answer was W-R-O-N-G!!!
[Edited 7/22/06 21:31pm]

wonder505 said:

IT DID CHART TO NUMBER 3 ON THE POP CHARTS IDIOT....LOOK IT UP.....