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THE ORG TOP 50 http://www.prince.org/msg/8/192731 PRINCE or MESHELL NDEGEOCELLO http://www.prince.org/msg...02?jump=51 The Funny Thread About the Album Kiss http://www.prince.org/msg...0652?&pg=1 | |
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ccollin88 said: Se7enkisses said: HES THE BIGGEST COPY CAT I KNOW!!11 Except maybe for Jimmy Jam, Terry Lewis, or Janet Jackson My Legacy
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ccollin88 said: Why is it that Prince is considered the greatest when he not even the best in Minneapolis?
Every real musician knows JAM & LEWIS run minneapolis...I was told that if you ask most local musicians who is the musician you would most like to work with and over 86% said JAM & LEWIS NOT PRINCE! for one,Prince started in 1978 jam and lewis 84 but to date they have 36 more top ten R&b and pop hits than PRINCE and he had a six year head start! and to boot they have released over 200 more songs than PRince meaning they are more prolific don't you think JAM AND LEWIS should be worshiped more than SHORTY PIPPEN? No not really, because even Jam/Lewis had told everyone that Prince's sound IS THE Minneapolis sound.  | |
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FuNkeNsteiN said: ccollin88 said: Why is it that Prince is considered the greatest when he not even the best in Minneapolis?
Every real musician knows JAM & LEWIS run minneapolis...I was told that if you ask most local musicians who is the musician you would most like to work with and over 86% said JAM & LEWIS NOT PRINCE! for one,Prince started in 1978 jam and lewis 84 but to date they have 36 more top ten R&b and pop hits than PRINCE and he had a six year head start! and to boot they have released over 200 more songs than PRince meaning they are more prolific don't you think JAM AND LEWIS should be worshiped more than SHORTY PIPPEN? First of all, who gives a crap about "hits". Second of all, you don't know how much unreleased stuff Prince has so you can't really say J&L were more prolific... oh and they are two cats and Prince is just one ....not to mention that Jimmy Jam does most of hard work on the pre-production side (MIDI recording, drum machine programming, etc). | |
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ccollin88 said: first of all i love prince and i'm trying to tell him the truth not tell him he can throw up on a record and say its genius like some of u.....My opinion is my opinion...[b]this a prince discussion site.....IF U slugs would look at my hustory i've started some very positive articles about prince....I look at both sides you know if i can only say good things about prince this aint the org this is NPGMC [/b]
exactly, this is a prince DISCUSSION site, not a prince BASHING site.....if all you want to do is bash the guy go make up ur own website..... | |
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wonder505 said: ccollin88 said: HMMMM JAM & LEWIS HAVE A STAR ON THE HOLLYWOOD WALK OF FAME PRINCE? NOT!!!1  [/b]So does Britney Spears! HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!! So does Pee Wee Herman!  | |
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ccollin88 said: skywalker said: This statement perfectly illustrates the fact that you don't know what you are talking about. Prince fans know that Purple Rain ain't even his best album. Hatorade anyone? And you call yourself a hardcore fan. No hardcore Prince fan would proclaim that Rhythm Nation trumps Prince's best. Hell, Jimmy and Terry probably wouldn't even claim that. [Edited 7/20/06 19:16pm] YES THEY WOULD because PRINCE FIRED THEM BECAUSE THEY WERE TOO MUCH COMPETITON FOR HIM.....when people think of prince they think of purple rain....Slugs think sign of the times.....people with 2 sides to their brain think purple rain,.....you know if you people dont get any smarter I may have to leave you again they think of purple rain because that was his biggest album....many if not most here think its not his BEST. from your recent posts you seem to confuse "hits/record sales" with "quality musician ship" you can't win this argument and soon this thread will be locked...just give up and stop talking. [Edited 7/21/06 9:43am] | |
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Prince is in the R&R Hall of Fame as a Recording Artist/Producer/Songwriter/Composer/Rock & Roll Legend/Superstar/Musical Genius!
Jam/Lewis is in the R&R Hall of Fame as just Songwriters/Producers! Thread Over. | |
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NDRU said: JJ & TL have a lot of talent and they've written a lot of hits, but have they done anything that's actually great?
No, they have not. The music they've written and produced for Janet and others is good to some degree, but it's far from great. | |
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 I'm not a fan of "old Prince". I'm not a fan of "new Prince". I'm just a fan of Prince. Simple as that | |
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ccollin88 said: NDRU said: JJ & TL have a lot of talent and they've written a lot of hits, but have they done anything that's actually great?
AHHHH HAVE YOU EVER HEARD OF AN ALBUM CALLED RHYTHM NATION? THAT SHIT SMOKES ANYTHING PRINCE HAS EVER DONE INCLUDING PURPLE RAIN And that was the last great thing they did for her or anyone else. Andy is a four letter word. | |
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vainandy said: And that was the last great thing they did for her or anyone else. And, it sure doesn't smoke anything Prince has done. | |
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kisscamille said: vainandy said: And that was the last great thing they did for her or anyone else. And, it sure doesn't smoke anything Prince has done. I don't know. Wasn't "Rhythm Nation" out around the same time as "Grafitti Bridge"? Andy is a four letter word. | |
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vainandy said: And that was the last great thing they did for her or anyone else. Actually there was Johnny Gill's self-titled album for Motown. Jam/Lewis use mostly the same RN sound and it work great for Johnny. BTW VA, you still have no love for some songs from the janet. album?!? | |
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ccollin88 said: first of all i love prince and i'm trying to tell him the truth not tell him he can throw up on a record and say its genius like some of u.....My opinion is my opinion...this a prince discussion site.....IF U slugs would look at my hustory i've started some very positive articles about prince....I look at both sides you know if i can only say good things about prince this aint the org this is NPGMC
U rule man. Fams won't see the truth....the truth is just around the corner..... | |
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wonder505 said: ccollin88 said: if it doesnt matter if prince sells cds why dont he give them away...he dont need the money....trust me he cares.....when 3121 was number 1 for a week yall were on here acting a fool celebrating now that it has tanked you act like you dont care...ITS HYSTERICAL There's nothing wrong with celebrating when something nice happens. He happened to go #1, and that was nice so naturally as fans we're going to be happy for him. Prince sells CDs because that is his line of business. Who cares ? | |
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TonyVanDam said: vainandy said: And that was the last great thing they did for her or anyone else. Actually there was Johnny Gill's self-titled album for Motown. Jam/Lewis use mostly the same RN sound and it work great for Johnny. BTW VA, you still have no love for some songs from the janet. album?!? I think I listened to "Throb". Other than that, the album pretty much sits on the shelf and I never bought another one of her albums afterwards. Andy is a four letter word. | |
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ccollin88 said: if it doesnt matter if prince sells cds why dont he give them away...he dont need the money....trust me he cares.....when 3121 was number 1 for a week yall were on here acting a fool celebrating now that it has tanked you act like you dont care...ITS HYSTERICAL
Are you living under a rock? He gave away Musicology in 2004 in nearly every major U.S. city. Check out The Mountains and the Sea, a Prince podcast by yours truly and my wife. More info at https://www.facebook.com/TMATSPodcast/ |
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ccollin88 said: Why is it that Prince is considered the greatest when he not even the best in Minneapolis?
Every real musician knows JAM & LEWIS run minneapolis...I was told that if you ask most local musicians who is the musician you would most like to work with and over 86% said JAM & LEWIS NOT PRINCE! for one,Prince started in 1978 jam and lewis 84 but to date they have 36 more top ten R&b and pop hits than PRINCE and he had a six year head start! and to boot they have released over 200 more songs than PRince meaning they are more prolific don't you think JAM AND LEWIS should be worshiped more than SHORTY PIPPEN? This has more holes than a golf course. Even your title is deeply flawed. Prince is one of most underrated artists of all time, never getting the respect he should 4 being the truly blessed musical GIANT he is. Forget about fans 4 a moment... Do U know what it's like 2 be a musician, and have 2 deal with other musicians who don't know? ...and "Colin"... U R not merely being critical, U R not making any rational sense whatsoever. Lock this Mugg up. "He's a musician's musician..." |
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Giovanni777 said: ccollin88 said: Why is it that Prince is considered the greatest when he not even the best in Minneapolis?
Every real musician knows JAM & LEWIS run minneapolis...I was told that if you ask most local musicians who is the musician you would most like to work with and over 86% said JAM & LEWIS NOT PRINCE! for one,Prince started in 1978 jam and lewis 84 but to date they have 36 more top ten R&b and pop hits than PRINCE and he had a six year head start! and to boot they have released over 200 more songs than PRince meaning they are more prolific don't you think JAM AND LEWIS should be worshiped more than SHORTY PIPPEN? This has more holes than a golf course. Even your title is deeply flawed. Prince is one of most underrated artists of all time, never getting the respect he should 4 being the truly blessed musical GIANT he is. Forget about fans 4 a moment... Do U know what it's like 2 be a musician, and have 2 deal with other musicians who don't know? ...and "Colin"... U R not merely being critical, U R not making any rational sense whatsoever. Lock this Mugg up. Thank you Giovanni777. I knew I wasn't the only one who felt this way.  I'm not a fan of "old Prince". I'm not a fan of "new Prince". I'm just a fan of Prince. Simple as that | |
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Doozer said: ccollin88 said: if it doesnt matter if prince sells cds why dont he give them away...he dont need the money....trust me he cares.....when 3121 was number 1 for a week yall were on here acting a fool celebrating now that it has tanked you act like you dont care...ITS HYSTERICAL
Are you living under a rock? He gave away Musicology in 2004 in nearly every major U.S. city. no he didn't he put it in the ticket purchase price....he just didnt tell yall...to make u feel u getting something free.....man some of yall blinder than stevie wonder i tell ya Yoda is my Mentor! | |
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Giovanni777 said: ccollin88 said: Why is it that Prince is considered the greatest when he not even the best in Minneapolis?
Every real musician knows JAM & LEWIS run minneapolis...I was told that if you ask most local musicians who is the musician you would most like to work with and over 86% said JAM & LEWIS NOT PRINCE! for one,Prince started in 1978 jam and lewis 84 but to date they have 36 more top ten R&b and pop hits than PRINCE and he had a six year head start! and to boot they have released over 200 more songs than PRince meaning they are more prolific don't you think JAM AND LEWIS should be worshiped more than SHORTY PIPPEN? This has more holes than a golf course. Even your title is deeply flawed. Prince is one of most underrated artists of all time, never getting the respect he should 4 being the truly blessed musical GIANT he is. Forget about fans 4 a moment... Do U know what it's like 2 be a musician, and have 2 deal with other musicians who don't know? ...and "Colin"... U R not merely being critical, U R not making any rational sense whatsoever. Lock this Mugg up. what makes him a GIANT? AS YOU say? please explain.....I think some of you confuse doing something for a long time means you are great....prince been recording for 28 years only about 12 have been legendary years.even quincy jones has said he needs an editor...so you all telling me yall know more about music than quincy jones?....you guys kill me with your arrogance!
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ccollin88 said: Giovanni777 said: This has more holes than a golf course. Even your title is deeply flawed. Prince is one of most underrated artists of all time, never getting the respect he should 4 being the truly blessed musical GIANT he is. Forget about fans 4 a moment... Do U know what it's like 2 be a musician, and have 2 deal with other musicians who don't know? ...and "Colin"... U R not merely being critical, U R not making any rational sense whatsoever. Lock this Mugg up. what makes him a GIANT? AS YOU say? please explain.....I think some of you confuse doing something for a long time means you are great....prince been recording for 28 years only about 12 have been legendary years.even quincy jones has said he needs an editor...so you all telling me yall know more about music than quincy jones?....you guys kill me with your arrogance!
How are we arrogant when you are the one getting annoyed because we don't feel the same way you do about Prince. It's like killing you inside because we just don't accept your beliefs about Prince. If you think Prince ain't all that, then fine, I respect that, but others appreciate him more than you so you need to respect that as well. Nobody matter what you say or do, we are going to appreciate Prince the way we do. Awww, poor baby, it must hurt you knowing how much people still love Prince. Awww, does that make you upset. Poor baby. It's okay. | |
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wonder505 said: ccollin88 said: what makes him a GIANT? AS YOU say? please explain.....I think some of you confuse doing something for a long time means you are great....prince been recording for 28 years only about 12 have been legendary years.even quincy jones has said he needs an editor...so you all telling me yall know more about music than quincy jones?....you guys kill me with your arrogance!
How are we arrogant when you are the one getting annoyed because we don't feel the same way you do about Prince. It's like killing you inside because we just don't accept your beliefs about Prince. If you think Prince ain't all that, then fine, I respect that, but others appreciate him more than you so you need to respect that as well. Nobody matter what you say or do, we are going to appreciate Prince the way we do. Awww, poor baby, it must hurt you knowing how much people still love Prince. Awww, does that make you upset. Poor baby. It's okay. That's my point exactly ...I respect Prince a great deal.....I just know one of his biggest problems is that he has no one to tell him the truth...WELL BESIDES ME Yoda is my Mentor! | |
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Who the hell are Jam and Lewis? Couldn't name one song. Now pretty much everyone who knows something about pop music could name a Prince song, take your pick: 'Kiss', '1999', 'Purple Rain' or 'When Doves Cry'. If you're talking about credibility in terms of hits, the fact that 'Jam and Lewis' aren't even recognisable names completely destroys your argument. | |
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Singingboy said: Who the hell are Jam and Lewis? Couldn't name one song. Now pretty much everyone who knows something about pop music could name a Prince song, take your pick: 'Kiss', '1999', 'Purple Rain' or 'When Doves Cry'. If you're talking about credibility in terms of hits, the fact that 'Jam and Lewis' aren't even recognisable names completely destroys your argument.
WHo is jam ANd lewis hmmmmm....just to name a few Selected discography 1982: "Heartbreaker" - Klymaxx 1983: "Just Be Good To Me" - S.O.S. Band 1983: "Tell Me If YOu Still Care" - S.O.S. Band 1984: "Just the Way You Like It" - S.O.S. Band 1986: "The Finest" - S.O.S. Band featuring Alexander O'Neal 1986: "The Pleasure Principle" - Janet Jackson 1986: "Nasty" - Janet Jackson 1986: "Human" - Human League 1986: "What Have You Done For Me Lately" - Janet Jackson 1986: "Control" - Janet Jackson 1986: "Tender Love" - Force MD's 1987: "Let's Wait Awhile" - Janet Jackson 1988: "If It Isn't Love" - New Edition 1988: "Can You Stand the Rain" - New Edition (covered by Boyz II Men in 1997) 1989: "Rhythm Nation" - Janet Jackson 1990: "Escapade" - Janet Jackson 1991: "Optimistic" - Sounds of Blackness 1991: "The Pressure, Pt. 1" - Sounds of Blackness 1991: "Testify" - Sounds of Blackness 1993: "That's The Way Love Goes" - Janet Jackson 1993: "Again" - Janet Jackson 1994: "On Bended Knee" - Boyz II Men 1994: "I'm Going All the Way" - Sounds of Blackness 1994: "I Believe" - Sounds of Blackness 1995: "Scream" - Michael Jackson & Janet Jackson 1995: "Runaway - Janet Jackson 1997: "History" - Michael Jackson 1997: "4 Seasons of Loneliness" - Boyz II Men 1997: "Go Deep" - Janet Jackson 1998: "I Get Lonely" - Janet Jackson 1999: "Thank God I Found You" - Mariah Carey featuring Joe and 98 Degrees 1999: "I'm Good At Being Bad" - TLC 1999: "Give It To You" - Jordan Knight 1999: "Addicted to You" - Utada Hikaru 2000: "Wait & See ~Risk~" - Utada Hikaru 2000: "Can't Take That Away (Mariah's Theme)" - Mariah Carey 2000: "Who's Your Woman" - Cleopatra (band) 2000: "Free" - Mya 2000: "Doesn't Really Matter" - Janet Jackson" 2001: "All For You" - Janet Jackson 2001: "Someone To Call My Lover" - Janet Jackson 2001: "U Remind Me" - Usher 2002: "No More Drama" - Mary J Blige 2002: "Here I Am" - Bryan Adams 2002: "Through The Rain" - Mariah Carey 2002: "Yours" - Mariah Carey 2004: "Harajuku Girls" - Gwen Stefani 2004: "Bad Girl" - Usher 2004: "Truth Hurts" - Usher 2004: "Simple Things" - Usher 2005: "These Boots Are Made for Walkin'" - Jessica Simpson 2006: "Kirakuni / Together" - Crystal Kay [edit] Yoda is my Mentor! | |
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ccollin88 said: Singingboy said: Who the hell are Jam and Lewis? Couldn't name one song. Now pretty much everyone who knows something about pop music could name a Prince song, take your pick: 'Kiss', '1999', 'Purple Rain' or 'When Doves Cry'. If you're talking about credibility in terms of hits, the fact that 'Jam and Lewis' aren't even recognisable names completely destroys your argument.
WHo is jam ANd lewis hmmmmm....just to name a few Selected discography 1982: "Heartbreaker" - Klymaxx 1983: "Just Be Good To Me" - S.O.S. Band 1983: "Tell Me If YOu Still Care" - S.O.S. Band 1984: "Just the Way You Like It" - S.O.S. Band 1986: "The Finest" - S.O.S. Band featuring Alexander O'Neal 1986: "The Pleasure Principle" - Janet Jackson 1986: "Nasty" - Janet Jackson 1986: "Human" - Human League 1986: "What Have You Done For Me Lately" - Janet Jackson 1986: "Control" - Janet Jackson 1986: "Tender Love" - Force MD's 1987: "Let's Wait Awhile" - Janet Jackson 1988: "If It Isn't Love" - New Edition 1988: "Can You Stand the Rain" - New Edition (covered by Boyz II Men in 1997) 1989: "Rhythm Nation" - Janet Jackson 1990: "Escapade" - Janet Jackson 1991: "Optimistic" - Sounds of Blackness 1991: "The Pressure, Pt. 1" - Sounds of Blackness 1991: "Testify" - Sounds of Blackness 1993: "That's The Way Love Goes" - Janet Jackson 1993: "Again" - Janet Jackson 1994: "On Bended Knee" - Boyz II Men 1994: "I'm Going All the Way" - Sounds of Blackness 1994: "I Believe" - Sounds of Blackness 1995: "Scream" - Michael Jackson & Janet Jackson 1995: "Runaway - Janet Jackson 1997: "History" - Michael Jackson 1997: "4 Seasons of Loneliness" - Boyz II Men 1997: "Go Deep" - Janet Jackson 1998: "I Get Lonely" - Janet Jackson 1999: "Thank God I Found You" - Mariah Carey featuring Joe and 98 Degrees 1999: "I'm Good At Being Bad" - TLC 1999: "Give It To You" - Jordan Knight 1999: "Addicted to You" - Utada Hikaru 2000: "Wait & See ~Risk~" - Utada Hikaru 2000: "Can't Take That Away (Mariah's Theme)" - Mariah Carey 2000: "Who's Your Woman" - Cleopatra (band) 2000: "Free" - Mya 2000: "Doesn't Really Matter" - Janet Jackson" 2001: "All For You" - Janet Jackson 2001: "Someone To Call My Lover" - Janet Jackson 2001: "U Remind Me" - Usher 2002: "No More Drama" - Mary J Blige 2002: "Here I Am" - Bryan Adams 2002: "Through The Rain" - Mariah Carey 2002: "Yours" - Mariah Carey 2004: "Harajuku Girls" - Gwen Stefani 2004: "Bad Girl" - Usher 2004: "Truth Hurts" - Usher 2004: "Simple Things" - Usher 2005: "These Boots Are Made for Walkin'" - Jessica Simpson 2006: "Kirakuni / Together" - Crystal Kay [edit] There's a big difference between someone who collobarates and someone who works BY HIMSELF. The fact that Prince has been the composer, arranger, writer, producer, engineer, etc. and had the success he had cutting it in the studio by himself, says a lot. LIKE I SAID, IF YOU WANT TO BELIEVE THAT JJ AND TL ARE WAY BETTER, THEN FINE. People have different opinions. Get over it. | |
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wonder505 said: ccollin88 said: WHo is jam ANd lewis hmmmmm....just to name a few Selected discography 1982: "Heartbreaker" - Klymaxx 1983: "Just Be Good To Me" - S.O.S. Band 1983: "Tell Me If YOu Still Care" - S.O.S. Band 1984: "Just the Way You Like It" - S.O.S. Band 1986: "The Finest" - S.O.S. Band featuring Alexander O'Neal 1986: "The Pleasure Principle" - Janet Jackson 1986: "Nasty" - Janet Jackson 1986: "Human" - Human League 1986: "What Have You Done For Me Lately" - Janet Jackson 1986: "Control" - Janet Jackson 1986: "Tender Love" - Force MD's 1987: "Let's Wait Awhile" - Janet Jackson 1988: "If It Isn't Love" - New Edition 1988: "Can You Stand the Rain" - New Edition (covered by Boyz II Men in 1997) 1989: "Rhythm Nation" - Janet Jackson 1990: "Escapade" - Janet Jackson 1991: "Optimistic" - Sounds of Blackness 1991: "The Pressure, Pt. 1" - Sounds of Blackness 1991: "Testify" - Sounds of Blackness 1993: "That's The Way Love Goes" - Janet Jackson 1993: "Again" - Janet Jackson 1994: "On Bended Knee" - Boyz II Men 1994: "I'm Going All the Way" - Sounds of Blackness 1994: "I Believe" - Sounds of Blackness 1995: "Scream" - Michael Jackson & Janet Jackson 1995: "Runaway - Janet Jackson 1997: "History" - Michael Jackson 1997: "4 Seasons of Loneliness" - Boyz II Men 1997: "Go Deep" - Janet Jackson 1998: "I Get Lonely" - Janet Jackson 1999: "Thank God I Found You" - Mariah Carey featuring Joe and 98 Degrees 1999: "I'm Good At Being Bad" - TLC 1999: "Give It To You" - Jordan Knight 1999: "Addicted to You" - Utada Hikaru 2000: "Wait & See ~Risk~" - Utada Hikaru 2000: "Can't Take That Away (Mariah's Theme)" - Mariah Carey 2000: "Who's Your Woman" - Cleopatra (band) 2000: "Free" - Mya 2000: "Doesn't Really Matter" - Janet Jackson" 2001: "All For You" - Janet Jackson 2001: "Someone To Call My Lover" - Janet Jackson 2001: "U Remind Me" - Usher 2002: "No More Drama" - Mary J Blige 2002: "Here I Am" - Bryan Adams 2002: "Through The Rain" - Mariah Carey 2002: "Yours" - Mariah Carey 2004: "Harajuku Girls" - Gwen Stefani 2004: "Bad Girl" - Usher 2004: "Truth Hurts" - Usher 2004: "Simple Things" - Usher 2005: "These Boots Are Made for Walkin'" - Jessica Simpson 2006: "Kirakuni / Together" - Crystal Kay [edit] There's a big difference between someone who collobarates and someone who works BY HIMSELF. The fact that Prince has been the composer, arranger, writer, producer, engineer, etc. and had the success he had cutting it in the studio by himself, says a lot. LIKE I SAID, IF YOU WANT TO BELIEVE THAT JJ AND TL ARE WAY BETTER, THEN FINE. People have different opinions. Get over it. point is u starting to believe when i popped that song list on there 4 ya huh
name me 1 prince song that is as good as I'm only human or tender love? see I told ya they kick prince's butt [Edited 7/21/06 12:43pm] Yoda is my Mentor! | |
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