Graycap23 said:

CO SIGN
The man writes, performs, produces all his music. So WTF did they do besides play the instruments during live shows and add vocals after he'd already finished the tracks? Im not hating on W& L but come on - giving them that kind of cred, u might as well give it to everyone he's EVER worked with. On that note, lets acknowledge the Muppets.

Prince used to send W&L half-written songs and would tell them to "finish it". He trusted them fully with his compositions because he respected their ideas and abilities as musicians and song-writers. You must remember that W&L were trained in the structured part of music and come from a background of classical and jazz besides rock and r&b. It is largely accepted that the musical concepts behind AROUND THE WORLD IN A DAY, PARADE and DREAM FACTORY come from Prince AND WENDY & LISA.

DesireeNevermind said:

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Wowugotit said:

Well those are necessarily my FAV albums in terms of every track rockin' but I C Where U Comin' from. Didn't he do the same thing with Mayte - send her unfinished work and get her feedback? Im not putting her on the musical level of W&L but I just think he values the opinion of everyone he works with but in the end does what he wants.
Larry King got mad influence these later years. Oh Well!

did you just compare Wendy & Lisa to MAYTE?????

I assume this is a bait post right? What's this sick need to put Prince down to try and lift other people? If u enjoy Wendy and Lisa fine nothing wrong with that, but what does what they do have to with Prince at all?

If anything u seem to be the desperate one worrying how mature or immature Prince is compared to somebody else. Its pure silliness. Why do u care how mature Prince is? If he is too immature for your listening pleasure why are u still listening and why would the rest of us care who enjoy what he is doing regardless of some percieved maturity level?

I often wonder how many people who post here are need of some kind of medication lol.

I assume this is a bait post right? What's this sick need to put Prince down to try and lift other people? If u enjoy Wendy and Lisa fine nothing wrong with that, but what does what they do have to with Prince at all?

If anything u seem to be the desperate one worrying how mature or immature Prince is compared to somebody else. Its pure silliness. Why do u care how mature Prince is? If he is too immature for your listening pleasure why are u still listening and why would the rest of us care who enjoy what he is doing regardless of some percieved maturity level?

I often wonder how many people who post here are need of some kind of medication lol.

ButterscotchPimp said:

The talent level is about the same.

ButterscotchPimp said:

The talent level is about the same.

Graycap23 said:

Yeah, we never need to interact ever after some bullshit like that.
That's one of the most ignorant things i've heard said on the Org, and i've heard some dumb ass shit.

If you really believe that, then you know NOTHING about music. At all.

Graycap23 said:

not that you care - Unless you forgot your "wink" but that just lost any respect I might have for your comments. I was seriously interested to see what information you had into this topic. But clearly you don't have any. Am I wrong?

And for those saying "funky" I'll take many other bands over Prince for pure funk. Is he funky? Sure. But I liked that he came along and melded all kinds of sounds into his work. That he steered his way through musical waters that had yet to be charted. And I give him all the respect in the world for doing it. Even with other peoples help. He was not an island in his most creative days. He seems to have been a bit of one in the last few years and I don't think it does anyone any good.

Far before this particular thread I'd thought it's a shame that what he has to say lyrically just doesn't do it for me anymore. I also realised that IS ok.
Sorry to say that I don't think waiting for the outside chance an artist will find a way to revive his uber creative juices is like waiting for a woman to come back. Many have done it. Hell- Johnny Cash was on his death bed practically and managed some riveting tracks.

ButterscotchPimp said:

The talent level is about the same.

ButterscotchPimp said:

lol.....it was a joke.

Zannaloaf said:

I was kidding but in all honesty, I don't now, nor have I ever understood the W&L thing. I don't see or hear any talent from either of them. I just don't 'get' it. I really don't.

Graycap23 said:

Or maybe i spoke too soon. You really don't hear what left when they did? You listen to W&L's first 3 albums and don't hear ANY TALENT?

Prince used to send W&L half-written songs and would tell them to "finish it". He trusted them fully with his compositions because he respected their ideas and abilities as musicians and song-writers. You must remember that W&L were trained in the structured part of music and come from a background of classical and jazz besides rock and r&b. It is largely accepted that the musical concepts behind AROUND THE WORLD IN A DAY, PARADE and DREAM FACTORY come from Prince AND WENDY & LISA.

DesireeNevermind said:

[Edited 8/18/08 11:46am]

Wowugotit said:

Well look W&L obsessive fans are as dumb as Prince's obsessive fans but honestly I like them but there is absolutely nothing groundbreaking in what they have produced since 1987.
Tunes like When doves cry, Conditons of the Heart, Tambourine or Sign O the times have been created without one instrument, without one participation of W&L. I love all these people who act like if they were in the studio back then. Like if Prince sent them stuff half finished every day and they have to do all the big work.
They influenced him to play more Rock and psyche stuff but they really seemed not to be into funk at all. Sorry but that's 95% of Prince music : fonk, fonk and fonk and there is no W&L in his funk but more Sly, George or James man.
If you want proper influences, you got them.

sarkozyiszeman said:

I was RAISED on funk.
BUT - is Prince all about funk? Many people keep saying that. I never saw him as that. Funky? You bet. But he was / is an artist that I saw as melding different forms of music to create his own genre. Unlike, say, Lenny - who you can see the riff lifting and sound stealing a mile away.
Maybe the issue I have with his current output is he has rested on his CONSIDERABLE laurels. Again- fine by me but a shame for my ears
I also think his lack of collaborative effort has been an issue. And by collaborative I mean people whose ears he trusts that give him honest feedback. I certainly doubt he's got anyone that will argue with him as I'm sure they did back in the day when they were all in it together.
As far as Wendy and Lisa- I really like their music. Not rabid, but also aware that as each band came through something happened to Princes music. Sometimes i liked it- sometimes not. In the case of the Revolution period (from early to late) I liked it. And I also think anyone who thinks SOTT wasn't done with some influence of the Revolution you must not be used to working with people. That's like saying after the Beatles broke up Paul/John had no influence on each other. Or Lionel Richie Commodores departure freed him of their influence. Over time that is true- but those first solo albums were definitely "under the influence".

discuss...

The two songs off the new album are markedly better than anything Prince has recently released. It appears that Prince's girls have grown up and Prince hasn't.

It's been a recurrent complaint and one shouted down... can you hear it now?

Beyond All The Midnights In The World, the last album sounded quite desperate... Now W&L have come along and shown it to have been that, at least.

One hopes that Prince will mature and make music that speaks... not so, at the moment, he merely bleats and hopes a purple shroud will mask a deficit of ideas.

BoySimon said:

I love me some W&L but 2 b truthful, I didn't find that the 2 songs u can download from MySpace.com "impressed" me. I will buy their album tho ...

discuss...

The two songs off the new album are markedly better than anything Prince has recently released. It appears that Prince's girls have grown up and Prince hasn't.

It's been a recurrent complaint and one shouted down... can you hear it now?

Beyond All The Midnights In The World, the last album sounded quite desperate... Now W&L have come along and shown it to have been that, at least.

One hopes that Prince will mature and make music that speaks... not so, at the moment, he merely bleats and hopes a purple shroud will mask a deficit of ideas.

of prince's recent trilogy of works, i'd have to say that musicology was my favorite, 3121 was my second fave, and planet earth was my least fave.
what would be cool is if prince, wendy & lisa could bury the hatchet and create some bomb ass music together, because no doubt they all still have it in them.
or maybe it's TIME for a REVOLUTION?????

bobby??
YES, LISA
is the linn drum warm enough??
YES, LISA
shall we begin??
YES, LISA

woogiebear said:

then MICHAEL B AND SONNY T COME IN AND SAY BOW DOWN MF SURRENDER YOUR ROD!!

Michael B slaps bobby and says 2 the rest of y'all "aren't u tired of this linn drum bullshit already? don't u want a real funky drummer instead!!! that can also play jazz, rock and bang the shit out of the drums?"

then renato comes and trips lisa and says "u r no dr fink and i'm better than ur classical playing cause at least u can hear my notes clearly"

then comes in both miko and levi and they both tell wendy "let me show u how 2 play that thing"

next thing u know, the band that truly deserves it's props comes 2 life THE NPG in the motherfucking house!!!

woogiebear said:

then MICHAEL B AND SONNY T COME IN AND SAY BOW DOWN MF SURRENDER YOUR ROD!!

Michael B slaps bobby and says 2 the rest of y'all "aren't u tired of this linn drum bullshit already? don't u want a real funky drummer instead!!! that can also play jazz, rock and bang the shit out of the drums?"

then renato comes and trips lisa and says "u r no dr fink and i'm better than ur classical playing cause at least u can hear my notes clearly"

then comes in both miko and levi and they both tell wendy "let me show u how 2 play that thing"

next thing u know, the band that truly deserves it's props comes 2 life THE NPG in the motherfucking house!!!

L4OATheOriginal said:

Like every time someone tries this, NO.
We won't agree. So there's no point. I'll name a track, you'll say [blank] is funkier, i won't agree, blah blah blah.

Let's just agree to disagree, shall we?

And the D'Angelo thread.

My first comment on the thread was me talking about my personal experiences working on promoting the D'Angelo records and mentioning a similarity i found with Marvin Gaye. Then i disagreed with the take that since Prince doesn't have a problem releasing albums in a "timely manner" that every other artist should be held up to that standard and any artist that doesn't either isn't "an artist" or is "whining". I took it a step further and insinuated that people that aren't artists themselves maybe shouldn't judge those who are and decide what their artistic output should be. I then took umbrage with a comment that insinuated that someone like Marvin Gaye is LESS of an artist than Prince.

The FIRST appearance of me even calling someone a "kool-aid-kid" is on PAGE FOUR of the thread when i called someone that in response to a comment that Marvin didn't even write all of his own stuff.

The rest is there in black and white.

I don't mind being the bad guy on the Org, it's fine really. I'm comfortable with being disliked, but i don't think the myth equals reality. I usually don't go on the offensive unless i feel provoked in some manner, or if i feel like some kool-aid-kid is talking down to me.

You got proof otherwise, point it out. Those 2 examples weren't it, though.
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I just had to step into this brain drain of a thread.

But any who...

My fav Prince albums are SOTT, Lovesexy, The Gold Exp, 3121, The Black Album... notice none of them involved Wendy & Lisa in any manner.

I tire of people saying what he hasn't done since ( fill in the blank ). If you don;t like the music... stop listening.. its that simple. If you like someone else's music more... listen to theirs and not his... also.. very simple. But this constant knock of his music by individual standards masquerading as some sort of fact is B.S. I like the out put since his first album.. some more than others... a few I can't stand (TRC). But I understand that holding Prince to a standard of excellence he set for himself and has matched many times more than any lesser artist... isn't fair to him or too myself. While sitting back waiting for another SOTT or Lovesexy... I'ld miss out on some pretty good music.

I've heard W&L's new songs... and... I still don't like their 'sound'. Call it mature... cerebrial.. or whatever you want... but it bores me. I like my music with a different brand of funk which they just don't deliver... in my opinion.

But to each his own.

I personally laughed when I read the title of this thread. I thought you had lost your marbles... but that's my opinon. If you like the thier music... fine. But uplifting thier music by knocking someone else's... Prince in this case... isn't really fair.

Some people who hang around waiting for that next SOTT or what ever you considered his last great album... remind me of a person sitting by the phone waiting for that old lover to call again... day... after day after day after day. Quite pathetic actually. Get up... move on with your life. If they call.. great.. if not.. enjoy your new lovers.