ButterscotchPimp said:

Did Prince do something to you for you to have a wild hair up your ass evertime someone says they like something he's done recently?

wonder505 said:

Yeah, i am. But i'm doing it ON PURPOSE.
And the worst insult out of my mouth usually is "kool-aid-kid" which is my pet name for those of ya'll that are obviously drinking the purple kool-aid. But if you are, why front? ACCEPT IT!!!!

My point is for the kool-aid-kids, ANY opinion that falls short of "Prince is GOD" = INSULT. Look at Simon's initial post again, and point out the disrespect? It took 2.5 seconds for you know who to come right in and accuse someone who doesn't think like HE does of"needing medication".

It's like if someone points out something negative about Prince to the kool-aid kids = HATE.

Again, just because someone doesn't think like YOU it doesn't mean they're not a fan, or they HATE Prince, they're just a fan with a different opinion! When i see ya'll react like that instead of the ludicrous shit i see in here, i'll stop using the term "kool-aid-kids". Until then, it's on.
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I can't speak on anything that W & L have done recently because I haven't listened to their new music, though for the first time ever, I am interested. Even with that, it makes no sense for me to compare their work to Prince's work. They are 2 different entities, like apples and oranges. Plus, it's flat out unfair to compare them. Wendy and Lisa's musical path is different from Prince's. Enjoy all their music for what it's worth or don't enjoy it. There's no need for a "this one is better than that one" kind of deal. It's silly.

ButterscotchPimp said:

i agree that there are those on this site who put Prince on an unrealistic pedastle, you're gonna find that on any fansite, and its annoying, as i don't welcome the attacks either.

But you do the same thing on the opposite end! if someone likes a song you dont' like, then they are a kool-aid drinker or if they have a different positive viewpoint, then they automatically think Prince is a god.

using you're way of thinking, short of thinking prince's latest work is shit, they are kool-aid drinkers. you do the same exact thing.

its like a clash of the fammy fams who think everything Prince does is great, and the prince battered fans, who hate on prince's current stuff and demand that everyone else to hate it too.
[Edited 8/15/08 8:38am]

ButterscotchPimp said:

Did Prince do something to you for you to have a wild hair up your ass evertime someone says they like something he's done recently?

So you've bitten?

Sick? No, exploratory, yes... Prince/Wendy and Lisa, one and the same... in a limited kind of way. i.e w&l grow, p seems not to... again, discuss...

I assume this is a bait post right? What's this sick need to put Prince down to try and lift other people? If u enjoy Wendy and Lisa fine nothing wrong with that, but what does what they do have to with Prince at all?

If anything u seem to be the desperate one worrying how mature or immature Prince is compared to somebody else. Its pure silliness. Why do u care how mature Prince is? If he is too immature for your listening pleasure why are u still listening and why would the rest of us care who enjoy what he is doing regardless of some percieved maturity level?

I often wonder how many people who post here are need of some kind of medication lol.

I don't really agree with him, but I think you're all being overly harsh on the original poster.

There are a couple of flaws for me, however. It doesn't come down to maturity at all, especially when you consider that - to most of us - the two new W & L tracks sound like business as usual from the girls, outtakes from their last album Girl Bros. They sound like they were written and recorded in 1997/8. Who knows how the rest of the album will turn out, but so far there is absolutely no progression from there. Don't get me wrong - I'm not complaining. Of all Prince's post Emancipation output, only One Nite Alone (studio) comes close to being as good as Girl Bros, and even that ultimately falls short.

The poster also points out that save All The Midnights In The World, the last album was quite desperate. It tended to be the most disliked track, although I personally thought it was the only one where Prince was just doing his thing without a care about all the RnB and Hip Hop rubbish he was very consciously competing with. In that respect you could argue it's probably the least mature track on the album, even if I don't think Prince should be chasing maturity, he should just do whatever comes to him naturally. Some of his tracks are more commercial than others, but I consider Rave, Musicology, 3121 and Planet Earth as conscious attempts at commercialism and mass appeal.

Midnights didn't sound like any kind of current chart music, had a falsetto vocal seemingly tacked on to a keyboard backing which required something completely different, was far too short, etc. I liked it. And, like The Morning Papers way back when, it sounded like a track he could have written and produced at any time in his career, in an otherwise hip and current sounding album (whether it was good or not).

Ifsixwuz9 said:

Classic example of a kool-aid-kid response. Just because i think the last three albums are garbage and you don't, where is the "wild hair up my ass"? My main problem is with delusional Prince fans, not Prince. It's like "we like everything and you don't, therefore our purple messiah will have a place for us in the Dawn!!!!!"


Ya'll just don't like when someone that doesn't think like you do and is intelligent and well-spoken has a response to blind Stepford-ism. Admit it....

ButterscotchPimp said:

Now see this is what I and others are pointing out with regard to what you post. You make several wrong headed assumptions about me. Not only did you jump to the conclusion that I praise any and every thing Prince ever did but you started calling names when I asked a perfectly rational question based on what you have written every time anybody posts an article or starts a thread that has even one inkling of praise or admirmation for the guy in it. Recent examples include the D'Angelo thread, and the USA Today article that was posted. So based on that I'll take it that Prince *did* do something to you that you are taking personally by attacking the people on this site who haven't had bad experiences with him on a personal, professional on consumer based level. Thanks for confirming my suspicions.

And I dare you to find one just one post from me where I say that Prince can do no wrong or that I like everything on his last three albums. Please find it and post it for all to see.

Ifsixwuz9 said:

Um, no. The wrong assumption was that i was talking specifically about YOU. Now where i characterized the initial response from YOU as "kool-aid-kid" like, the rest of my statement applies to the MOB mentality present on the Org when anyone has anything less than glowing to say about Prince.

I don't pay attention to what you post, sorry. Don't care that much.

Now you brought up two specific examples of where i out of NOWHERE personally attacked others for merely praising or admiring Prince. Let's look at that.

You brought up the USA Today article. I mentioned that according to the numbers in the ARTICLE, Prince hadn't had a platinum record since D&P other than Musicology which i don't think counts. Where's the attack? That's a comment based on the numbers provided? An observation. My only other comment was disagreeing with someone that Musicology sold a million copies at retail.

So what's the problem there?

And the D'Angelo thread.

My first comment on the thread was me talking about my personal experiences working on promoting the D'Angelo records and mentioning a similarity i found with Marvin Gaye. Then i disagreed with the take that since Prince doesn't have a problem releasing albums in a "timely manner" that every other artist should be held up to that standard and any artist that doesn't either isn't "an artist" or is "whining". I took it a step further and insinuated that people that aren't artists themselves maybe shouldn't judge those who are and decide what their artistic output should be. I then took umbrage with a comment that insinuated that someone like Marvin Gaye is LESS of an artist than Prince.

The FIRST appearance of me even calling someone a "kool-aid-kid" is on PAGE FOUR of the thread when i called someone that in response to a comment that Marvin didn't even write all of his own stuff.

The rest is there in black and white.

I don't mind being the bad guy on the Org, it's fine really. I'm comfortable with being disliked, but i don't think the myth equals reality. I usually don't go on the offensive unless i feel provoked in some manner, or if i feel like some kool-aid-kid is talking down to me.

You got proof otherwise, point it out. Those 2 examples weren't it, though.
[Edited 8/15/08 12:34pm]

Ifsixwuz9 said:

Um, no. The wrong assumption was that i was talking specifically about YOU. Now where i characterized the initial response from YOU as "kool-aid-kid" like, the rest of my statement applies to the MOB mentality present on the Org when anyone has anything less than glowing to say about Prince.

I don't pay attention to what you post, sorry. Don't care that much.

Now you brought up two specific examples of where i out of NOWHERE personally attacked others for merely praising or admiring Prince. Let's look at that.

You brought up the USA Today article. I mentioned that according to the numbers in the ARTICLE, Prince hadn't had a platinum record since D&P other than Musicology which i don't think counts. Where's the attack? That's a comment based on the numbers provided? An observation. My only other comment was disagreeing with someone that Musicology sold a million copies at retail.

So what's the problem there?

And the D'Angelo thread.

My first comment on the thread was me talking about my personal experiences working on promoting the D'Angelo records and mentioning a similarity i found with Marvin Gaye. Then i disagreed with the take that since Prince doesn't have a problem releasing albums in a "timely manner" that every other artist should be held up to that standard and any artist that doesn't either isn't "an artist" or is "whining". I took it a step further and insinuated that people that aren't artists themselves maybe should judge those who are and decide what their artistic output should be. I then took umbrage with a comment that insinuated that someone like Marvin Gaye is LESS of an artist than Prince.

The FIRST appearance of me even calling someone a "kool-aid-kid" is on PAGE FOUR of the thread when i called someone that in response to a comment that Marvin didn't even write all of his own stuff.

The rest is there in black and white.

I don't mind being the bad guy on the Org, it's fine really. I'm comfortable with being disliked, but i don't think the myth equals reality. I usually don't go on the offensive unless i feel provoked in some manner, or if i feel like some kool-aid-kid is talking down to me.

You got proof otherwise, point it out. Those 2 examples weren't it, though.

ButterscotchPimp said:

BUT nobody was provoking you in the first place you came on here telling people to 'attack you' and 'throw targets at you'. And just hearing about your previous posts it all makes sense now that you get kicks out of doin what your doin.

ButterscotchPimp said:

If in fact you were speaking to a group of people as a whole you should used a qualifier like "people like you" instead of just "you" when responding to one specific post. Also, you are also assuming in this response that everybody that has something remotely positive to say about P likes his last three albums. So, you assumed (again) and then took the time to try and back track and clean up the the BS you posted that was clearly directed to my specific post and not the group as a whole. Nice try chief. But, it ain't working with me.

Erika2k8 and Ifsixwuz9, you guys ROCK!!!!

Ifsixwuz9 said:

You may not like what i have to say a lot of the time, but i'm not out of nowhere attacking people. Again, if you have proof otherwise CUT AND PASTE IT.
I'll wait. (well not that long, it is Friday ya know and a boy's got plans)

purplecam said:

lol SO DO U PURPLE CAM!

ButterscotchPimp said:

example this thread

Ifsixwuz9 said:

Awwwww. We're not that comfortable with the truth, are we? On EITHER of the threads you mentioned are there any EDITED responses from me? No? So that would mean that i couldn't have "back tracked and cleaned up the BS", right? I'm not as reckless with my mouth as ya'll would make me out to be. I'm aware of my motivations on here. You may not like what i have to say a lot of the time, but i'm not out of nowhere attacking people. Again, if you have proof otherwise CUT AND PASTE IT. Or CUT AND PASTE WHERE YOU SEE I'VE EDITED SOMETHING IN AN EFFORT TO CLEAN IT UP.

I'll wait. (well not that long, it is Friday ya know and a boy's got plans)

So you've bitten?

Sick? No, exploratory, yes... Prince/Wendy and Lisa, one and the same... in a limited kind of way. i.e w&l grow, p seems not to... again, discuss...

I must say, I enjoyed the 'What's it got to do with Prince' question. Remember 'In This Bed I Scream'? Recall the Brits performance/ Consider the appearance on Planet Earth... What could W & L's newest release possibly have t do with Prince?

You're right about one thing, however... I am the desperate one... I really, truly, with all the hope in my heart, want Prince to release a properly good album again. In that regard I'm the most deperate of all the people thatn inhabit these pages... at least, I'd fight them for that title. I can't remember the last time I put a Prince album on... and it pains me. I recall the ecstacy of ATWIAD, Parade, SOTT and Lovesexy... I even remember the day Come came out with some fondness... I want Prince to release another great album. W&L appear to be following up GirlBros (superb) with a.n.other exquisite long player... Is it too much to ask Prince to make an album worth listening to more than thrice?

'perceived maturity level' discuss... The one that covers barry manilow or the one that writes life o the party?

'medication' notwithstanding the slight and the ill-conceived nature of describing someone who may disagree with you as mentally unstable or ill, I'll happily have my conscious mind altered if it means it hears and understands a new, innovative, rebellious Prince.

ButterscotchPimp said:

I really don't care what you have to say as it's not important at all, I merely asked you a question (which you never directly answered by the way). It just seems from what you post regarding the man and the tone you use that Prince has done something to you that you are taking personally. And in lieu of writing him hate mail you post here. Hey fella, if that's what blows your skirt up, go for it. I just think it's just as obsessive as those people who you perceive as being 'kool-aid kids'.

discuss...

The two songs off the new album are markedly better than anything Prince has recently released. It appears that Prince's girls have grown up and Prince hasn't.

It's been a recurrent complaint and one shouted down... can you hear it now?

Beyond All The Midnights In The World, the last album sounded quite desperate... Now W&L have come along and shown it to have been that, at least.

One hopes that Prince will mature and make music that speaks... not so, at the moment, he merely bleats and hopes a purple shroud will mask a deficit of ideas.

Ifsixwuz9 said:

Um, no. The wrong assumption was that i was talking specifically about YOU. Now where i characterized the initial response from YOU as "kool-aid-kid" like, the rest of my statement applies to the MOB mentality present on the Org when anyone has anything less than glowing to say about Prince.

I don't pay attention to what you post, sorry. Don't care that much.

Now you brought up two specific examples of where i out of NOWHERE personally attacked others for merely praising or admiring Prince. Let's look at that.

You brought up the USA Today article. I mentioned that according to the numbers in the ARTICLE, Prince hadn't had a platinum record since D&P other than Musicology which i don't think counts. Where's the attack? That's a comment based on the numbers provided? An observation. My only other comment was disagreeing with someone that Musicology sold a million copies at retail.

So what's the problem there?

And the D'Angelo thread.

My first comment on the thread was me talking about my personal experiences working on promoting the D'Angelo records and mentioning a similarity i found with Marvin Gaye. Then i disagreed with the take that since Prince doesn't have a problem releasing albums in a "timely manner" that every other artist should be held up to that standard and any artist that doesn't either isn't "an artist" or is "whining". I took it a step further and insinuated that people that aren't artists themselves maybe shouldn't judge those who are and decide what their artistic output should be. I then took umbrage with a comment that insinuated that someone like Marvin Gaye is LESS of an artist than Prince.

The FIRST appearance of me even calling someone a "kool-aid-kid" is on PAGE FOUR of the thread when i called someone that in response to a comment that Marvin didn't even write all of his own stuff.

The rest is there in black and white.

I don't mind being the bad guy on the Org, it's fine really. I'm comfortable with being disliked, but i don't think the myth equals reality. I usually don't go on the offensive unless i feel provoked in some manner, or if i feel like some kool-aid-kid is talking down to me.

You got proof otherwise, point it out. Those 2 examples weren't it, though.[Edited 8/15/08 12:34pm]

Ifsixwuz9 said:

What's the question specifically? I'll answer it, gladly!

Ya'll don't like when i post ANYTHING negative about the man, i get it. But it's not like i'm attacking your mom, i'm expressing my opinion about the man. Prince hasn't done anything to me personally and if you click on my name, you can certainly see that i post on a number of topics here on the Org, and they aren't all about Prince or even negative about Prince.

I'm still waiting for those examples, though.....