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Reply #330 posted 11/07/07 5:02pm

adavislv2cdwn

SexyBeautifulOne said:

m3taverse said:



That is what the essence of this conflict is about.
Do we allow any central figure or organisation to control how, where and when we use products we payed for, and how, where and when we discuss them.
The NPGMC store is a great example of how the current legal system and technology can be abused if all the power is held by a central figure. Noone's NPGMC files work anymore simply because Prince was able to pull the plug on them.


You know! I'd forgotten about those files. They're still sitting useless on my hard drive. Hmmm...perhaps a class action law suit against his behind would teach Prince about being so damn sue happy!


At the time you bought them from NPGMC, you should have been given an option to backup the licensing on your system which would allow you to play them anytime. I know a lot of people didn't do that, and it would be nice for those who didn't to have access to the license.
You ask me to forgive you, when you know I'm just an addict.
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Reply #331 posted 11/07/07 5:02pm

Lothan

ToraToraDreams said:

Lothan said:

By the way: check out Prince's message:

http://www.3121.com/blog/?p=114

It won't load for me, whatsit say?
It's just the love4oneanother hand.
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Reply #332 posted 11/07/07 5:04pm

ToraToraDreams

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adavislv2cdwn said:

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:


You need to quit with this religious crap. BOTTOM LINE: If none of us paid Prince for the products he created, Prince wouldn't have jack shit. Stop with this god crap already lol



The "god crap" was started when fans started saying they "made" somebody, especially if the person is successful.

Uhh...I know I didn't make Prince nor give him his talent.
But we have given him success. Who buys those cds, God? Who goes to those concerts, God? Who gets their friends into him, God?
God may have made Prince Rogers Nelson the person. But we the fans made Prince the superstar.
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Reply #333 posted 11/07/07 5:05pm

Lothan

adavislv2cdwn said:

SexyBeautifulOne said:



You know! I'd forgotten about those files. They're still sitting useless on my hard drive. Hmmm...perhaps a class action law suit against his behind would teach Prince about being so damn sue happy!


At the time you bought them from NPGMC, you should have been given an option to backup the licensing on your system which would allow you to play them anytime. I know a lot of people didn't do that, and it would be nice for those who didn't to have access to the license.
I may be wrong but weren't people advised to backup their licenses?
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Reply #334 posted 11/07/07 5:06pm

darrenj

ToraToraDreams said:

Lothan said:

By the way: check out Prince's message:

http://www.3121.com/blog/?p=114

It won't load for me, whatsit say?


I love you all very much.
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Reply #335 posted 11/07/07 5:06pm

Lothan

ToraToraDreams said:

adavislv2cdwn said:




The "god crap" was started when fans started saying they "made" somebody, especially if the person is successful.

Uhh...I know I didn't make Prince nor give him his talent.
But we have given him success. Who buys those cds, God? Who goes to those concerts, God? Who gets their friends into him, God?
God may have made Prince Rogers Nelson the person. But we the fans made Prince the superstar.
So Prince owes us?
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Reply #336 posted 11/07/07 5:07pm

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Lothan said:

Raze said:




I'll only speak for myself, but any hateful things that I say are strictly in reaction to Prince's control-freak desire to stifle any criticism. Don't get me wrong, I still love (most of) the man's music. But I've hated him as a human being for 10 years now, since he pulled this same shit to a lesser degree the first time around.

I will say anything critical that I want to about Prince. He will not stop me. And if what I say is hateful and ugly, that's calculated to spite him.
I'm not saying not to say anything you want: you never shy away from stuff and you stand behind what you say but ta lot of these folks calling him names, saying shit they wouldn't dare say to his face is a punk assed move.


That's the thing, though. I've always said that I *really* DO NOT want to meet Prince. At all. Ever. Not because he would disappoint me. But because I know for a fact that if he and I were ever to have a conversation, we would be having probably the only real argument he's had with a person in 25 years, and his jack-booted thugs would be hauling my ass out of whatever room we were in for daring to call him on a lot of asshole shit that he's done over the years.
"Half of what I say is meaningless; but I say it so that the other half may reach you." - Kahlil Gibran
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Reply #337 posted 11/07/07 5:07pm

Lothan

darrenj said:

ToraToraDreams said:


It won't load for me, whatsit say?


I love you all very much.
lol

hug
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Reply #338 posted 11/07/07 5:08pm

2the9s

Everyone just needs to chill and watch this video.






(Please watch all 5 minutes...This girl can dance!)
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Reply #339 posted 11/07/07 5:10pm

Raze

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Lothan said:

ToraToraDreams said:


Uhh...I know I didn't make Prince nor give him his talent.
But we have given him success. Who buys those cds, God? Who goes to those concerts, God? Who gets their friends into him, God?
God may have made Prince Rogers Nelson the person. But we the fans made Prince the superstar.
So Prince owes us?



All he owes us is to not threaten to sue us or websites devoted to him because we/they want to talk about him and put up pictures of him to HELP PROMOTE HIM.

I mean, seriously, this has got to be the single dumbest thing any artist has ever done.

Of course I understand not wanting people pirating music releases. Fine. Perfectly acceptable. I'll even conced to the limited value of getting people to stop posting videos or bootlegs, which he may try to gain profit on in the future. BUT FUCKING PHOTOS?! Which is really all this site and the others do that would violate copyright law..... that's just fucking insane.
"Half of what I say is meaningless; but I say it so that the other half may reach you." - Kahlil Gibran
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Reply #340 posted 11/07/07 5:11pm

ToraToraDreams

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Lothan said:

ToraToraDreams said:


Uhh...I know I didn't make Prince nor give him his talent.
But we have given him success. Who buys those cds, God? Who goes to those concerts, God? Who gets their friends into him, God?
God may have made Prince Rogers Nelson the person. But we the fans made Prince the superstar.
So Prince owes us?

He ain't gotta kiss me on the cheek or gimme money or even say thank you, as nice as all that'd be. I'm not saying he owes us anything beyond some respect to his fans. That'd would be nice.
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Reply #341 posted 11/07/07 5:13pm

adavislv2cdwn

ToraToraDreams said:

adavislv2cdwn said:




The "god crap" was started when fans started saying they "made" somebody, especially if the person is successful.

Uhh...I know I didn't make Prince nor give him his talent.
But we have given him success. Who buys those cds, God? Who goes to those concerts, God? Who gets their friends into him, God?
God may have made Prince Rogers Nelson the person. But we the fans made Prince the superstar.



Nobody forced you to buy the music, the movies, the books, see the concerts. Something in Prince's music spoke to you, moved you. So you spent money cause you enjoyed him. If you're like me, you were buying it before most people ever knew who he was. You didn't spend this money so you could say "I made him who he is." You spent the money cause it made you feel good.

Just cause you buy 20 Snickers bars a year doesn't mean you "made" the Mars Company. Again, it's the ego. We did this, we did that. He owes us. It's not about let's enjoy the music and each other. It's me, me, me. The total antipathy of what his music's been about! I don't understand how the very people attracted to his music have this attitude.
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Reply #342 posted 11/07/07 5:14pm

Raze

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ToraToraDreams said:

Lothan said:

So Prince owes us?

He ain't gotta kiss me on the cheek or gimme money or even say thank you, as nice as all that'd be. I'm not saying he owes us anything beyond some respect to his fans. That'd would be nice.



I dont' even need for him to show respect to his fans. All I want is for him to keep his DISrespect for us to himself. Until he does that, he's going to continue to get a tongue-lashing.
"Half of what I say is meaningless; but I say it so that the other half may reach you." - Kahlil Gibran
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Reply #343 posted 11/07/07 5:17pm

darrenj

adavislv2cdwn said:

ToraToraDreams said:


Uhh...I know I didn't make Prince nor give him his talent.
But we have given him success. Who buys those cds, God? Who goes to those concerts, God? Who gets their friends into him, God?
God may have made Prince Rogers Nelson the person. But we the fans made Prince the superstar.



Nobody forced you to buy the music, the movies, the books, see the concerts. Something in Prince's music spoke to you, moved you. So you spent money cause you enjoyed him. If you're like me, you were buying it before most people ever knew who he was. You didn't spend this money so you could say "I made him who he is." You spent the money cause it made you feel good.

Just cause you buy 20 Snickers bars a year doesn't mean you "made" the Mars Company. Again, it's the ego. We did this, we did that. He owes us. It's not about let's enjoy the music and each other. It's me, me, me. The total antipathy of what his music's been about! I don't understand how the very people attracted to his music have this attitude.



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Reply #344 posted 11/07/07 5:17pm

realm

Lothan said:

ToraToraDreams said:


It won't load for me, whatsit say?
It's just the love4oneanother hand.


Yeah, L4OA. Charity for out of control ROCK STARS who ripz down two mansions and builds outhouses style schools for kids in Vietnam and brags on his website about plans to build gardens for poor people in MPLS in November!!! Ever try to plant a garden in November in MPLS??? Even God knows better Prince.

I hope Prince feels great about the guy he has became and takes great pride in bringing down the fan sites. Take great pride P in your next POC album moving less than 100thousand copies because your fans fucking had it with your bullshit.
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Reply #345 posted 11/07/07 5:21pm

ToraToraDreams

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adavislv2cdwn said:

ToraToraDreams said:


Uhh...I know I didn't make Prince nor give him his talent.
But we have given him success. Who buys those cds, God? Who goes to those concerts, God? Who gets their friends into him, God?
God may have made Prince Rogers Nelson the person. But we the fans made Prince the superstar.



Nobody forced you to buy the music, the movies, the books, see the concerts. Something in Prince's music spoke to you, moved you. So you spent money cause you enjoyed him. If you're like me, you were buying it before most people ever knew who he was. You didn't spend this money so you could say "I made him who he is." You spent the money cause it made you feel good.

Just cause you buy 20 Snickers bars a year doesn't mean you "made" the Mars Company. Again, it's the ego. We did this, we did that. He owes us. It's not about let's enjoy the music and each other. It's me, me, me. The total antipathy of what his music's been about! I don't understand how the very people attracted to his music have this attitude.

When i say "I" and "We" I mean ALL fans/supporters. I ain't trying to have no ego. I ain't saying "Hey, you know that Prince guy, that's all me right there"
I'm sayin' where the hell would he be without anyone supporting his work? Nowhere. Where would anyone like him be? Can you fathom this equation?
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Reply #346 posted 11/07/07 5:23pm

Lothan

ToraToraDreams said:

Lothan said:

So Prince owes us?

He ain't gotta kiss me on the cheek or gimme money or even say thank you, as nice as all that'd be. I'm not saying he owes us anything beyond some respect to his fans. That'd would be nice.
yeah....just like the respect shown him. lol
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Reply #347 posted 11/07/07 5:24pm

darrenj

realm said:

Lothan said:

It's just the love4oneanother hand.


Yeah, L4OA. Charity for out of control ROCK STARS who ripz down two mansions and builds outhouses style schools for kids in Vietnam and brags on his website about plans to build gardens for poor people in MPLS in November!!! Ever try to plant a garden in November in MPLS??? Even God knows better Prince.

I hope Prince feels great about the guy he has became and takes great pride in bringing down the fan sites. Take great pride P in your next POC album moving less than 100thousand copies because your fans fucking had it with your bullshit.


He won't miss you. He has a new fan base.

This is the kind of fucked up mentality Prince wants rid of.


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Reply #348 posted 11/07/07 5:27pm

SupaFunkyOrgan
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Lothan said:

Raze said:




I'll only speak for myself, but any hateful things that I say are strictly in reaction to Prince's control-freak desire to stifle any criticism. Don't get me wrong, I still love (most of) the man's music. But I've hated him as a human being for 10 years now, since he pulled this same shit to a lesser degree the first time around.

I will say anything critical that I want to about Prince. He will not stop me. And if what I say is hateful and ugly, that's calculated to spite him.
I'm not saying not to say anything you want: you never shy away from stuff and you stand behind what you say but ta lot of these folks calling him names, saying shit they wouldn't dare say to his face is a punk assed move.

And all the racial shit: disbelief

i can't hate Prince. I cannot hate someone I don't know who's never done anything to me personally.

The racial and gay shit is over the top.
2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740
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Reply #349 posted 11/07/07 5:28pm

ToraToraDreams

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Lothan said:

ToraToraDreams said:


He ain't gotta kiss me on the cheek or gimme money or even say thank you, as nice as all that'd be. I'm not saying he owes us anything beyond some respect to his fans. That'd would be nice.
yeah....just like the respect shown him. lol

He had plenty of respect, honey, for YEARS. But it gets hard when he got some vigilante sherrif with a cracker jack badge and a law degree he bought on ebay knocking down your door with guns ablazin'
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Reply #350 posted 11/07/07 5:30pm

gemini13

Lothan said:

Raze said:




I'll only speak for myself, but any hateful things that I say are strictly in reaction to Prince's control-freak desire to stifle any criticism. Don't get me wrong, I still love (most of) the man's music. But I've hated him as a human being for 10 years now, since he pulled this same shit to a lesser degree the first time around.

I will say anything critical that I want to about Prince. He will not stop me. And if what I say is hateful and ugly, that's calculated to spite him.
I'm not saying not to say anything you want: you never shy away from stuff and you stand behind what you say but ta lot of these folks calling him names, saying shit they wouldn't dare say to his face is a punk assed move.

And all the racial shit: disbelief

i can't hate Prince. I cannot hate someone I don't know who's never done anything to me personally.
Dearest, you and I have come an awful long way.

But rest assured that I would damn well say anything I've said to his face. Promise. Of course, I'd have to look down on him, literally.
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Reply #351 posted 11/07/07 5:30pm

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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

Lothan said:

I'm not saying not to say anything you want: you never shy away from stuff and you stand behind what you say but ta lot of these folks calling him names, saying shit they wouldn't dare say to his face is a punk assed move.

And all the racial shit: disbelief

i can't hate Prince. I cannot hate someone I don't know who's never done anything to me personally.

The racial and gay shit is over the top.

Okay, now that IS wrong, whoever is saying that needs to be handled. Who wasdoing that?
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Reply #352 posted 11/07/07 5:30pm

adavislv2cdwn

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

Lothan said:

I'm not saying not to say anything you want: you never shy away from stuff and you stand behind what you say but ta lot of these folks calling him names, saying shit they wouldn't dare say to his face is a punk assed move.

And all the racial shit: disbelief

i can't hate Prince. I cannot hate someone I don't know who's never done anything to me personally.

The racial and gay shit is over the top.


I agree, it is awful! I guess I am pretty naive for it to shock me, but it does.
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Reply #353 posted 11/07/07 5:34pm

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Too late, I saw it! lol
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Reply #354 posted 11/07/07 5:34pm

Lothan

gemini13 said:

Lothan said:

I'm not saying not to say anything you want: you never shy away from stuff and you stand behind what you say but ta lot of these folks calling him names, saying shit they wouldn't dare say to his face is a punk assed move.

And all the racial shit: disbelief

i can't hate Prince. I cannot hate someone I don't know who's never done anything to me personally.
Dearest, you and I have come an awful long way.

But rest assured that I would damn well say anything I've said to his face. Promise. Of course, I'd have to look down on him, literally.
And rest assured, you know I am not talking about you. lol

I am speaking mostly to the folks on PFU who didn't leave a name but left a lot o' vitrol.
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Reply #355 posted 11/07/07 5:34pm

SupaFunkyOrgan
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ToraToraDreams said:

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:


The racial and gay shit is over the top.

Okay, now that IS wrong, whoever is saying that needs to be handled. Who wasdoing that?

I don't know but I saw some faggot/nigger crap disbelief
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Reply #356 posted 11/07/07 5:38pm

adavislv2cdwn

ToraToraDreams said:

adavislv2cdwn said:




Nobody forced you to buy the music, the movies, the books, see the concerts. Something in Prince's music spoke to you, moved you. So you spent money cause you enjoyed him. If you're like me, you were buying it before most people ever knew who he was. You didn't spend this money so you could say "I made him who he is." You spent the money cause it made you feel good.

Just cause you buy 20 Snickers bars a year doesn't mean you "made" the Mars Company. Again, it's the ego. We did this, we did that. He owes us. It's not about let's enjoy the music and each other. It's me, me, me. The total antipathy of what his music's been about! I don't understand how the very people attracted to his music have this attitude.

When i say "I" and "We" I mean ALL fans/supporters. I ain't trying to have no ego. I ain't saying "Hey, you know that Prince guy, that's all me right there"
I'm sayin' where the hell would he be without anyone supporting his work? Nowhere. Where would anyone like him be? Can you fathom this equation?


I know you didn't mean you personally and that you meant "we" as fans. I have always felt so "together" with Prince fans, and now it seems the essence of the music doesn't matter any more. Now it's all about what we should have, are entitled to, can't have, etc. I know there are no innocent parties to this disagreement. I know both sides must feel betrayed or used or mishandled, and I don't discount anyone's feelings. I just feel this is a rift that will never be mended.

In the end, who is going to win, and what is the real prize? Fans aren't going to get Prince's love and respect, and Prince isn't going to control the world. We all lose.
You ask me to forgive you, when you know I'm just an addict.
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Reply #357 posted 11/07/07 5:38pm

realm

Lothan said:

ToraToraDreams said:


He ain't gotta kiss me on the cheek or gimme money or even say thank you, as nice as all that'd be. I'm not saying he owes us anything beyond some respect to his fans. That'd would be nice.
yeah....just like the respect shown him. lol


RESPECT???

Prince is all about whatever is good for Prince. NPGMC advertizes cds and doesn't come thru with those cds, NPG makes a magazine and terminatez the magazine and doesn't refund money, NPG sells "aftershow" tickets and they become "afterparty" tickets..on and on.

NPG makes a charity called L4OA and when do you hear about it?..WHEN THE SHIT HITS THE FANS!!!!! But the fans in the end give money to the charity that Prince uses to make his ass look good.

So you say RESPECT?? I don't think Prince is the type of artist that is trying to gain the fans respect but he loves the fans $$$$$.
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Reply #358 posted 11/07/07 5:44pm

m3taverse

Lothan said:

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Why?
did you see that stuff?


I randomly read maybe 15 things spread out over different pages, and glanced over 50 more. But there's like a 1000 messages on there. I just saw a wide mix of responses, from people in different agegroups and nationalities, with some people being quite elaborate while others were jotting down a brainfart... like I would expect on the internet and especially in the Prince community.

I believe in moderation when there is a mechanism for back-and-forth discussion, like on a forum.
I also believe there is room for pages that are snapshots of the Prince community's psyche at a given moment in time. It's real and raw, and can be painfull. But I don't like pretending it doesn't exist.
"this especially prepared potato is called pomme de terre"
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Reply #359 posted 11/07/07 5:45pm

gemini13

Lothan said:

gemini13 said:

Dearest, you and I have come an awful long way.

But rest assured that I would damn well say anything I've said to his face. Promise. Of course, I'd have to look down on him, literally.
And rest assured, you know I am not talking about you. lol

I am speaking mostly to the folks on PFU who didn't leave a name but left a lot o' vitrol.

I know, I did just see what you were talking about, and I have to agree that is pretty disgusting.
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