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Reply #210 posted 11/07/07 12:40pm

1KissAtATyme

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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

Rhondab said:




I think what also is happening is there's a long history of Prince vs the fans stuff going on. From Uptown to the collective nonsense, Prince seems to have this hate-hate relationship with the hard core fans.

Its just hard to look at this objectively with history.


Exactly and like I stated above, even if you take out the extreme stuff like the tatoos and license plates the request is still outlandish that we cannot post album covers or lyrics and discuss them and why does anybody owe Prince or these companies any money for doing just that? It's outrageous at best.....


I see both of yours points ...

I myself am dissapointed in this.

I've been with Prince a minute too..its just that I want to take a look at these documents MYSELF and draw conclusions on my own. I also want to hear what he, himself has to say when he posts on the sites later on today. Reading the papers about this they keep saying its "not prince himself but his record company taking the fan sites to legal action"..and Im confused at this point.

I've been through and defended Prince through alot of his contraversial days but this is direct negativity toward those who support him. Its another arena..another ball game.

I dont want to be in denial and I dont want to cuss the man out. I just want to see what the real deal is. All I am getting is clips, inserts and quotes from a letter I cant see b/c of copyrighting issues. Its only been 2 days since this statements took place. In time everything in the darkness will come to light.Thats not asking for alot is it? lol
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Reply #211 posted 11/07/07 12:45pm

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1KissAtATyme said:

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:



Exactly and like I stated above, even if you take out the extreme stuff like the tatoos and license plates the request is still outlandish that we cannot post album covers or lyrics and discuss them and why does anybody owe Prince or these companies any money for doing just that? It's outrageous at best.....


I see both of yours points ...

I myself am dissapointed in this.

I've been with Prince a minute too..its just that I want to take a look at these documents MYSELF and draw conclusions on my own. I also want to hear what he, himself has to say when he posts on the sites later on today. Reading the papers about this they keep saying its "not prince himself but his record company taking the fan sites to legal action"..and Im confused at this point.

I've been through and defended Prince through alot of his contraversial days but this is direct negativity toward those who support him. Its another arena..another ball game.

I dont want to be in denial and I dont want to cuss the man out. I just want to see what the real deal is. All I am getting is clips, inserts and quotes from a letter I cant see b/c of copyrighting issues. Its only been 2 days since this statements took place. In time everything in the darkness will come to light.Thats not asking for alot is it? lol



No it's not but when the light gets shined, don't be surprised if all you see is blackness lol
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Reply #212 posted 11/07/07 12:45pm

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HereToRockYourWorld said:

Rhondab said:



I think what also is happening is there's a long history of Prince vs the fans stuff going on. From Uptown to the collective nonsense, Prince seems to have this hate-hate relationship with the hard core fans.
Its just hard to look at this objectively with history.



It really is.

And you know he's going to come out and say:

"Fams,

Our cre8or has blessed me with the gifts eye share with the world. Eye feel blessed 2 b able 2 do so. Eye only ask 4 the same respect u would show 2 ur friends and family, which is 2 use my image and art only with my permission. Eye am asking my fams 2 respect my wishes. It is meant in the spirit love4oneanother. All praise 2 the almighty Jehova.

Peace, Prince"


And his Fams are going to go, "aw, u know, he's right, it is just a matter of respect. we can talk about our love of his music without actually posting the lyrics. we know them all anyway! the h8ers should really go somewhere else. we love u, Prince! the check is in the mail. . ."


And the rest of us are going to go, "mutual respect doesn't generally involve lawyers rolleyes ".

And then either the fansites will roll over, or shut down, or they will find the resources to fight him. And all of those options are lame.


And WHY are things in this state?


Because the man gots issues.


We all do, right? If we were only gonna love issue-free people, it would be a lonely world. People can have issues. People can express their issues. People can ask for help with their issues. All of that applies to Prince.

What I've had about enough of, though, is people who think it is their RIGHT to make their own pathology into everybody else's problem. Which is what Prince is doing. And I can feel all kinds of happy mushy stuff towards him and his music, but his behavior is ridiculous and we've got every right to say so.

And certainly the right to stand up for ourselves.


Our cre8or has blessed me with the gifts eye share with the world. Eye feel blessed 2 b able 2 do so. Eye only ask 4 the same respect u would show 2 ur friends and family, which is 2 use my image and art only with my permission. Eye am asking my fams 2 respect my wishes. It is meant in the spirit love4oneanother. All praise 2 the almighty Jehova.

Peace, Prince"


Looks like u hit him right on the nose... lol

I hope he isnt that vague or short today seriously..I hope for ONCE he is straight forward, explanitory, appologetic for misconceptions, and sincere.
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Reply #213 posted 11/07/07 12:47pm

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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

1KissAtATyme said:



I see both of yours points ...

I myself am dissapointed in this.

I've been with Prince a minute too..its just that I want to take a look at these documents MYSELF and draw conclusions on my own. I also want to hear what he, himself has to say when he posts on the sites later on today. Reading the papers about this they keep saying its "not prince himself but his record company taking the fan sites to legal action"..and Im confused at this point.

I've been through and defended Prince through alot of his contraversial days but this is direct negativity toward those who support him. Its another arena..another ball game.

I dont want to be in denial and I dont want to cuss the man out. I just want to see what the real deal is. All I am getting is clips, inserts and quotes from a letter I cant see b/c of copyrighting issues. Its only been 2 days since this statements took place. In time everything in the darkness will come to light.Thats not asking for alot is it? lol



No it's not but when the light gets shined, don't be surprised if all you see is blackness lol



U know what I mean! biggrin
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Reply #214 posted 11/07/07 12:47pm

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1KissAtATyme said:

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:




No it's not but when the light gets shined, don't be surprised if all you see is blackness lol



U know what I mean! biggrin

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Reply #215 posted 11/07/07 12:51pm

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1KissAtATyme said:

HereToRockYourWorld said:




It really is.

And you know he's going to come out and say:

"Fams,

Our cre8or has blessed me with the gifts eye share with the world. Eye feel blessed 2 b able 2 do so. Eye only ask 4 the same respect u would show 2 ur friends and family, which is 2 use my image and art only with my permission. Eye am asking my fams 2 respect my wishes. It is meant in the spirit love4oneanother. All praise 2 the almighty Jehova.

Peace, Prince"


And his Fams are going to go, "aw, u know, he's right, it is just a matter of respect. we can talk about our love of his music without actually posting the lyrics. we know them all anyway! the h8ers should really go somewhere else. we love u, Prince! the check is in the mail. . ."


And the rest of us are going to go, "mutual respect doesn't generally involve lawyers rolleyes ".

And then either the fansites will roll over, or shut down, or they will find the resources to fight him. And all of those options are lame.


And WHY are things in this state?


Because the man gots issues.


We all do, right? If we were only gonna love issue-free people, it would be a lonely world. People can have issues. People can express their issues. People can ask for help with their issues. All of that applies to Prince.

What I've had about enough of, though, is people who think it is their RIGHT to make their own pathology into everybody else's problem. Which is what Prince is doing. And I can feel all kinds of happy mushy stuff towards him and his music, but his behavior is ridiculous and we've got every right to say so.

And certainly the right to stand up for ourselves.


Our cre8or has blessed me with the gifts eye share with the world. Eye feel blessed 2 b able 2 do so. Eye only ask 4 the same respect u would show 2 ur friends and family, which is 2 use my image and art only with my permission. Eye am asking my fams 2 respect my wishes. It is meant in the spirit love4oneanother. All praise 2 the almighty Jehova.

Peace, Prince"


Looks like u hit him right on the nose... lol

I hope he isnt that vague or short today seriously..I hope for ONCE he is straight forward, explanitory, appologetic for misconceptions, and sincere.



He probably won't be quite THAT brief. There will probably also be a part about evil media empires and his desire to remain outside of a system that wants to enslave him. Something like that.

I share your hope, though. lol
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Reply #216 posted 11/07/07 12:52pm

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Lothan said:

Rhondab said:




the letter is copyrighted and can't be posted....smart little man he is..lol
Yeah but then we are to take the word that this is what it says? Even if it can't be posted here, why not summarize it? I would definately like to know if the tattoo and license plate thing is a direct quote.


Sorry but you are making no sense.
They did summarize it, did you not notice? You just have trouble believing the summary, but that is your problem, not someone elses.
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Reply #217 posted 11/07/07 12:54pm

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HereToRockYourWorld said:

1KissAtATyme said:



Our cre8or has blessed me with the gifts eye share with the world. Eye feel blessed 2 b able 2 do so. Eye only ask 4 the same respect u would show 2 ur friends and family, which is 2 use my image and art only with my permission. Eye am asking my fams 2 respect my wishes. It is meant in the spirit love4oneanother. All praise 2 the almighty Jehova.

Peace, Prince"


Looks like u hit him right on the nose... lol

I hope he isnt that vague or short today seriously..I hope for ONCE he is straight forward, explanitory, appologetic for misconceptions, and sincere.



He probably won't be quite THAT brief. There will probably also be a part about evil media empires and his desire to remain outside of a system that wants to enslave him. Something like that.

I share your hope, though. lol


highfive

*Laughs* @ evil media empires... Yup Im sure that will be in there somewhere. wink
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Reply #218 posted 11/07/07 12:55pm

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m3taverse said:

Lothan said:

Yeah but then we are to take the word that this is what it says? Even if it can't be posted here, why not summarize it? I would definately like to know if the tattoo and license plate thing is a direct quote.


Sorry but you are making no sense.
They did summarize it, did you not notice? You just have trouble believing the summary, but that is your problem, not someone elses.



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Reply #219 posted 11/07/07 1:00pm

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Anxiety said:

psychodelicide said:



Agreed! Matt, where are you?


NOT to speak for him or anything, but...this may not fall under the kind of law that matt practices, or he may just be deciding that it's not in his best interests to get involved. so who knows. i'm sure he's heard about all this mess, and if he feels comfortable chiming in, he certainly will. nod


Good point there, I was thinking in the same vein after posting: that even though Matt is a lawyer, there are MANY different areas of law. Perhaps this is not something that Matt has sufficient knowledge in to comment on this situation at the present time.
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Reply #220 posted 11/07/07 1:01pm

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1KissAtATyme said:

Anxiety said:



NOT to speak for him or anything, but...this may not fall under the kind of law that matt practices, or he may just be deciding that it's not in his best interests to get involved. so who knows. i'm sure he's heard about all this mess, and if he feels comfortable chiming in, he certainly will. nod



Thanks AnX...you always come in handy giggle

But I hope he does..that way I can filter through all this negative stuff and see what the real deal is.


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Reply #221 posted 11/07/07 1:05pm

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purplecam said:

psychodelicide said:

http://music.yahoo.com/read/news/51357098

Just read this on Yahoo.com. According to the article that I just read, Prince is expected to issue a full response to the fan sites' statement later today. You have a lot of explaining to do, Prince!! Hopefully he'll be clear in what he tells us, it won't be in some cryptic language that will leave us scratching our heads. We all know that sometimes Prince talks in circles.

I'm praying he will be clear and direct with us. It's time for some answers.


Agreed. Hopefully Prince will clear the air on this whole ordeal.
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Reply #222 posted 11/07/07 1:07pm

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psychodelicide said:

purplecam said:


I'm praying he will be clear and direct with us. It's time for some answers.


Agreed. Hopefully Prince will clear the air on this whole ordeal.



Yes indeed..that why I'm loggin off..BUT commin back biggrin
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Reply #223 posted 11/07/07 1:07pm

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HereToRockYourWorld said:

Anxiety said:



NOT to speak for him or anything, but...this may not fall under the kind of law that matt practices, or he may just be deciding that it's not in his best interests to get involved. so who knows. i'm sure he's heard about all this mess, and if he feels comfortable chiming in, he certainly will. nod



He might be particularly concerned about chiming in in an informal way if there's any possibility of him becoming formally involved later. I'm not expecting him to say much on the boards.

Which is too bad, cuz I'd love to hear an educated opinion on the legal details.


Some very good valid points as well. :nods: It would definitely be nice to hear from someone in the legal field as to what's going on here. But I will respect Matt if he decides to not say anything. smile
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Reply #224 posted 11/07/07 1:09pm

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1KissAtATyme said:

purplecam said:


I'm praying he will be clear and direct with us. It's time for some answers.


I second that


Maybe if Prince explains this, we can stop being mad at him and come to some understanding as to this whole ordeal.
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Reply #225 posted 11/07/07 1:10pm

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I so cannot wait for Prince's response to this.
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Reply #226 posted 11/07/07 1:10pm

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1KissAtATyme said:

psychodelicide said:



Agreed. Hopefully Prince will clear the air on this whole ordeal.



Yes indeed..that why I'm loggin off..BUT commin back biggrin


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Reply #227 posted 11/07/07 1:11pm

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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

I so cannot wait for Prince's response to this.


Same here. It better be a good one, dammit. lol
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Reply #228 posted 11/07/07 1:13pm

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1KissAtATyme said:



Well then wouldnt all the tabliods, poparazzi,and negative celebrity sites be out of buisness???


The reason why celebs don't sue is because they are scared of the tabloids.

And that they might look stupid for being so petty.

They get away with it by instilling fear into there targets.
[Edited 11/7/07 11:50am]


Less speaking about things you are clueless about.
You seem to have no idea about how our free society works ... what you are proposing is maybe how it works in China.
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Reply #229 posted 11/07/07 1:15pm

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psychodelicide said:

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

I so cannot wait for Prince's response to this.


Same here. It better be a good one, dammit. lol

I'm going to have to get the rimming of my life to come back from this crap lol Prince, hope you got a strong tongue today! lol
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Reply #230 posted 11/07/07 1:16pm

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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

psychodelicide said:



Same here. It better be a good one, dammit. lol

I'm going to have to get the rimming of my life to come back from this crap lol Prince, hope you got a strong tongue today! lol



lol
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Reply #231 posted 11/07/07 1:29pm

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1KissAtATyme said:




smile It would be great if we could all cool down till everything is on the board and we can move forward from there.
I was angry yesturday when I first heard..but now I really want some answers. Hopefully Prince's response on the site today will make us have a clear view..and not fogged up like it currently is.



I think what also is happening is there's a long history of Prince vs the fans stuff going on. From Uptown to the collective nonsense, Prince seems to have this hate-hate relationship with the hard core fans.

Its just hard to look at this objectively with history.


Yep nod.
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Reply #232 posted 11/07/07 1:31pm

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fully appreciated and supported. nod
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Reply #233 posted 11/07/07 1:35pm

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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

psychodelicide said:



Same here. It better be a good one, dammit. lol

I'm going to have to get the rimming of my life to come back from this crap lol Prince, hope you got a strong tongue today! lol


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Reply #234 posted 11/07/07 1:40pm

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m3taverse said:

Lothan said:

Yeah but then we are to take the word that this is what it says? Even if it can't be posted here, why not summarize it? I would definately like to know if the tattoo and license plate thing is a direct quote.


Sorry but you are making no sense.
They did summarize it, did you not notice? You just have trouble believing the summary, but that is your problem, not someone elses.
Come on m3ta. Don't be insulting. I just asked the question because Prince's people are calling the sites' owners liars.
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Reply #235 posted 11/07/07 1:43pm

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Sorry but you are making no sense.
They did summarize it, did you not notice? You just have trouble believing the summary, but that is your problem, not someone elses.
Come on m3ta. Don't be insulting. I just asked the question because Prince's people are calling the sites' owners liars.


there is a bit of a hiccup happening here. ben's blog said that prince/web sheriff requested over 3,500 images be removed from the org, including license plate and tattoo images. the reuters/yahoo news story posted on the front page has web sheriff saying they did no such thing.

i have to say, i'm a little confused.
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Reply #236 posted 11/07/07 1:46pm

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Anxiety said:

Lothan said:

Come on m3ta. Don't be insulting. I just asked the question because Prince's people are calling the sites' owners liars.


there is a bit of a hiccup happening here. ben's blog said that prince/web sheriff requested over 3,500 images be removed from the org, including license plate and tattoo images. the reuters/yahoo news story posted on the front page has web sheriff saying they did no such thing.

i have to say, i'm a little confused.
I just want to have the facts so I can make up my own mind.
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Reply #237 posted 11/07/07 1:52pm

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Prince Image Ban Story Was " Exaggerated " ...

A company working on behalf of PRINCE has accused fans of exaggerating a story which claims the singer has ordered them to remove any image that bears his likeness from their websites. The singer's record company has hired internet monitoring company Web Sheriff to protect the Purple Rain star from internet copyright infringement - and they insist the fan sites have made the situation sound a lot worse than it actually is. The pop superstar angered many of his supporters after he was reported to have slapped an image ban on several high profile fan websites forbidding them to use any unauthorized pictures of him. The outraged websites joined forces to form Prince Fans United in protest and have vowed to fight any legal action. But Web Sheriff insist Prince himself has nothing to do with the lawsuit threat - it is the work of the "record label". Web Sheriff's managing director, John Giacobbi, says, "At no time is Prince suing his fans and this is not about freedom of speech. "The current issue is one between Prince's record label and three unofficial web sites and relates to the use of Prince trademarks and photographs, many of which are Prince's copyright."

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Reply #238 posted 11/07/07 1:55pm

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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

psychodelicide said:



Same here. It better be a good one, dammit. lol

I'm going to have to get the rimming of my life to come back from this crap lol Prince, hope you got a strong tongue today! lol
Cryptic message on the 3121 website with sentences full of u, r, 2. He won't really answer because he knows he's wrong.
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Reply #239 posted 11/07/07 1:58pm

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Anxiety said:

Lothan said:

Come on m3ta. Don't be insulting. I just asked the question because Prince's people are calling the sites' owners liars.


there is a bit of a hiccup happening here. ben's blog said that prince/web sheriff requested over 3,500 images be removed from the org, including license plate and tattoo images. the reuters/yahoo news story posted on the front page has web sheriff saying they did no such thing.

i have to say, i'm a little confused.


This is the email that was posted here as coming from web sheriff:

"Dear Administrators,

Re : EXTREMELY URGENT / YOUR SITE - LIBEL NOTICE

As you know, Web Sheriff represents AEG Worldwide, Paisley Park Enterprises / NPG Records and PRINCE in relation to – inter alia – the above.

We understand that you (ergo your administrators and moderators personally) control the web-site www.princefansunited.com (hereinafter referred to as the “Libellous Site”). We are writing to advise you that our clients consider the Libellous Site to contain defamatory statements – all under the banner ”PRINCE FANS FIGHT BACK AGAINST ATTACKS” which, in itself, we would also say is defamatory - that both libel PRINCE and, equally, that constitute malicious falsehoods injurious to our clients’ business interests (hereinafter referred to as the “Libellous Statements”) including, but not limited to, the following :-

1. In an extraordinary, but not unfamiliar move, the rock legend Prince is using an army of lawyers to launch attacks on his own fans.

2. It is our belief that these threats are not made in an attempt to enforce valid copyright as Prince alleges in his threats, rather we believe they are attempts to stifle all critical commentary about Prince.

3. It is their hope that Prince will reconsider his position and allow these fansites to continue their existence without constant threats from Prince and his attorneys.

Our clients consider the above statements to be both factually incorrect and misleading and, in all of the circumstances, we would ask you to immediately remove the Libellous Site (as containing the Libellous Statements or anything else that could constitute a libel and / or a malicious falsehood in respect of our clients) : this is particularly urgent, as we gather that your site is about to be publicly launched to the world’s media by means of a press-release and, if this were to happen, the scope for damage to our clients’ reputations (and, equally, the scope for compensatory damages to our clients) would be very significantly increased. Should you fail to comply with our clients’ reasonable request (as contained herein) and, therefore, should you continue to publish the Libellous Statements on a joint and several basis, we would kindly ask you to provide us with the names and addresses of your lawyers in Holland, the United States, the United Kingdom, France and Germany, for the purposes of dealing with the appropriate legal actions that shall follow against the officers of your site personally.

We shall look forward to hearing from you as soon as possible.

Whilst writing, we would caution you against communicating any further correspondence or remarks to third parties that could, in any way, be construed as being libellous of PRINCE or that could otherwise constitute a malicious falsehood, injurious to our clients’ business interests. Similarly, we would remind you that this communication is the copyright of Web Sheriff and, as such, any publication and / or dissemination to third parties would be actionable. Furthermore, Web Sheriff cannot be held liable for the consequences of any such publication and / or dissemination in the event that the same originated from yourselves or parties connected to you.

Naturally and notwithstanding the foregoing, all accumulated, worldwide rights and remedies of our clients in this matter remain strictly reserved.

Yours sincerely,

WEB SHERIFF"

According to the Yahoo article web sheriff stated this to Reuters:


"At no time is Prince suing his fans and this is not about freedom of speech," said John Giacobbi, managing director of Internet policing specialist Web Sheriff.

"The current issue is one between Prince's record label and three unofficial Web sites and relates to the use of Prince trademarks and photographs, many of which are Prince's copyright," he told Reuters."

Is it just me or do those two statements contradict each other???

That last statement is clearly contradicted in the email by the insistence of the removal of "libellous" and "defamatory" material, nothing to do with images as is quoted in the Reuters interview
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