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Printablem3taverse said: Lothan said: and HQ members have been so respectful of NPGMC and Org members. Right.
 You're so wrong about this. It's also amazing when you think that not long ago it was supposedly the org that was the thorn in Prince's side. HQ was the "fammy" place best avoided by anyone who got physically sick from the tone of voice at sites like NPGMC. A couple of years later, Prince does a tour, org gets innundates by new people and presto : some new kind of reality where it's HQ being the disrespectful site. Such a joke. Need I really remind you of how "respectful" the NPGMC crowd and moderators were towards the org? The org was being dissed on a daily basis ... I'm really surprised you do not remember that. [Edited 9/29/07 3:13am] But back on the topic, like i said elsewhere, I am suprised that it took this long. | |
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KoolEaze said: I have never noticed any Prince.org dissing on Housequake. What did they do that they have become so unpopular over here ? When did it happen ? What happened in the last three months ? It is the same stuff that turns me off to our very own Music and More forum: the Prince bashing. we have to respect each other and not flame but Prince can be called anything but a child of God and that's cool. Makes no sense to me. | |
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purplecam said: I am a member of HQ too and while I am down with HQ, I really think the mods have helped to make this situation worse than it needed to be. The mods are cracking down on members like its nothing. I got hit with a warning this morning for provoking. Provoking who? I want HQ to last but the mods are the ones that will ultimately decide how long it stays up just by chosing to fight battles bigger than them or to just going with the flow. Fighting with members who don't start shit isn't going to help them either.
you got a warning Cam? You? You're one of the nicest people I know and one of the biggest defenders of Prince on that site.My other complaint is that if you even come close to defending P, you will get ripped up like you were some criminal. I thought it was a Prince fansite? HQ seems to be headed downhill fast, even without Prince's involvement. The craziness continues. [Edited 9/29/07 8:02am] | |
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Graycap, you and I have always got along, but I must say I am totally shocked at your statement. I am a member of both sites, abd always have been, and have been respectful at both sites.
That being said, I am familiar with everything written in the legal correspondence. One should not speak without knowing the full facts. What little bit of information that has gone back and forth between members does not even come close to showing the whole story. Housequake has not kissed anyone's ass. I will not post specifics on any boards, these or housequake, as there are some things that should remain behind closed doors. | |
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excessex said: The experience of those I know on HQ is very similar to yours.
Warned, censored, edited, banned and even ISP-banned for expressions of opinion contrary to HQ tenets whenever the uppity mods are feeling even more uppity than usual. And should you feel like protesting against this, the really faithful HQists will follow you around the boards (in one case onto a non-Prince board) to diss you like some kind of Scientology-adherent. Exactly why I dont deal with them anymore...!!! You hit the nail on the head !!!!! | |
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txladykat said: stuff
so why bring it up if you can't provide specifics? Space for sale... | |
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cream72 said: NEWS FLASH...
2 Mods have Quit Parade and Cateto which is a shame cause those two was okay in my opinion the wrong mods have gone. NEXT PLEASE we may get the right ones The best HQ news i have heard in ages !  [Edited 9/29/07 14:43pm] | |
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sosgemini said: txladykat said: stuff
so why bring it up if you can't provide specifics? because many people here know my background and understand I know what I am talking about when I talk about the legalities. To divulge what was in the correspondence would actually get HQ in deep water. Believe it or not, correspondence written by someone is copyrighted. The author of the correspondence on the opposing side specifically stated in their correspondence that what they had written was considered their copyright and not to be posted on the public forums. They have that right. For us to repeat what was in the correspondence on the boards is a blatant violation of copyright law. Bottom line, the demands were far and above what you have seen occur on housequake over the past few days. Many of the demands were utterly ridiculous and gave many of us a good laugh. Alot of the demands were ignored. What was offered to the opposing parties (and I mean plural as demands came from more than one source), were simple compromises that the Aaron did not feel compromised housequake. While housequake had a very good legal leg to stand on with about 90% of the opposing parties allegations, housequake also recognized that litigation initiated in many jurisdictions (US and overseas) is very costly and very time consuming, and ultimately decided to offer good will and a simple compromise to meet the needs and desires of all parties involved. It is that simple. Housequake did not kiss Prince's ass, nor did Prince kiss housequake's ass. No one wants to be involved in litigation, and the current compromise was a good solution for everyone involved. | |
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thebumpsquad said: BlackandRising said: What really got me about HQ and the big head syndrome over there were the rules they had regarding their pics and other media...the fact that they put watermarks on them to somehow identify then as HQ property...that was some bullshit. I remember the big whoop about a Prince tour book containing a pic with a HQ watermark across the bottom...no doubt this was done to put them on notice, but to them it was some kind of "look how big we are!" thing. Then the fact that here you have to credit HQ when you use a pic from their site, as if it were their property? The audacity of it is sad and funny at the same time.
The funk? Those Housequake logo's were placed there by the people who uploaded them. They were were NEVER intended to constitute them being "HQ property" - merely to show which site the picture originated from. Where's the ego in that? The members who took the time to scan, clean, upload and host the pictures decided to add the HQ tag - it was never a rule that they must be added. Nobody was claiming property of anything - did you see a copyright symbol claiming ownership of the pictures? No. It's obvious you are not a fan of HQ, but please stop making this crap up. [Edited 9/29/07 10:43am] Wrong at the NPGMC a few members posted HQ Logo pictures on prince picture threads and they where attacked for doing so, there was massive arguments on both websites at the time name calling etc it turned down right nasty, certain ones stated they where HQ and where not to be posted on any other websites later on an agreement between websites happened that where ever people posted pictures they would state the source. I like HQ and do frequent the website to just read but I do not post as I have felt like an outsider since the day I tried to stand up for a friend who got abused at that time, I was basically told where to go. I wish HQ well but I do feel when they started placing the HQ Logo onto everything this is when there troubles got worse. I don’t believe in name calling we all frequent each website when you start going down that road you start the “US and THEM” battle all over again  | |
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txladykat said: sosgemini said: so why bring it up if you can't provide specifics? because many people here know my background and understand I know what I am talking about when I talk about the legalities. To divulge what was in the correspondence would actually get HQ in deep water. Believe it or not, correspondence written by someone is copyrighted. The author of the correspondence on the opposing side specifically stated in their correspondence that what they had written was considered their copyright and not to be posted on the public forums. They have that right. For us to repeat what was in the correspondence on the boards is a blatant violation of copyright law. Bottom line, the demands were far and above what you have seen occur on housequake over the past few days. Many of the demands were utterly ridiculous and gave many of us a good laugh. Alot of the demands were ignored. What was offered to the opposing parties (and I mean plural as demands came from more than one source), were simple compromises that the Aaron did not feel compromised housequake. While housequake had a very good legal leg to stand on with about 90% of the opposing parties allegations, housequake also recognized that litigation initiated in many jurisdictions (US and overseas) is very costly and very time consuming, and ultimately decided to offer good will and a simple compromise to meet the needs and desires of all parties involved. It is that simple. Housequake did not kiss Prince's ass, nor did Prince kiss housequake's ass. No one wants to be involved in litigation, and the current compromise was a good solution for everyone involved. So why bother saying anything then if you cant reveal details of what went on dont members deserve to know the truth and how do you know this your not a mod of housequake are you. | |
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txladykat said: sosgemini said: so why bring it up if you can't provide specifics? because many people here know my background and understand I know what I am talking about when I talk about the legalities. To divulge what was in the correspondence would actually get HQ in deep water. Believe it or not, correspondence written by someone is copyrighted. The author of the correspondence on the opposing side specifically stated in their correspondence that what they had written was considered their copyright and not to be posted on the public forums. They have that right. For us to repeat what was in the correspondence on the boards is a blatant violation of copyright law. Bottom line, the demands were far and above what you have seen occur on housequake over the past few days. Many of the demands were utterly ridiculous and gave many of us a good laugh. Alot of the demands were ignored. What was offered to the opposing parties (and I mean plural as demands came from more than one source), were simple compromises that the Aaron did not feel compromised housequake. While housequake had a very good legal leg to stand on with about 90% of the opposing parties allegations, housequake also recognized that litigation initiated in many jurisdictions (US and overseas) is very costly and very time consuming, and ultimately decided to offer good will and a simple compromise to meet the needs and desires of all parties involved. It is that simple. Housequake did not kiss Prince's ass, nor did Prince kiss housequake's ass. No one wants to be involved in litigation, and the current compromise was a good solution for everyone involved. so hq showed you (and others) these correspondences? sound inappropriate. beyond that i there have to be media advocacy groups who would jump at the chance to defend internet rights...especially since prince is such an easier target then say a large label or studio. and far be it for me to judge others actions but i can totally see why some would feel the way they do about hq. you know what i mean? Space for sale... | |
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UNBELIEVABLE!!!!
Websherrif has just Posted a statement on HQ about discussions nothing bad and the mod GSH has banned them for posting THIS WEB SHERIFF
Hi Again Everyone, Surely opinions can be expressed here without insults and vitriol ... .. and, moreover, without the censorship of thread closure ?? Again, we are simply looking for open debate and, given time, the opportunity to more fully address your concerns and queries. M3Taverse, this is not a marketing exercise - we can assure you - and, ultimately, this matter is too important to be trivialised as such ... .. we are in the business of fighting piracy, NOT fans, but there are issues that need to be addressed here and that is what we have been doing (both through our - now closed - thread and through comms with the Mods behind-the-scenes). We have agreed to leave this debate to the regular members for now but, hopefully, we'll be able to pick-up the thread again soon (in more ways than one). With Best Regards to All, WEB SHERIFF GSH Wrote: You were told in the other thread to not post again until contacted by Aaron or Turnitup.
As you obviously hold our moderators and rules in total contempt you are now banned from the site. Do not sign up with a new account. Contact Turnitup via email to discuss whether you will be allowed access again. Well done GSH you may have just set HQ Back a step or two. Arron do yourself a favour get rid of this Mod | |
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That's my name in there and Gsh closed the thread before i got my reply in!!
This is what Web Sheriff was responding to by the way, I think everyone thinking about engaging in any convos with these people should think about: Never before, to my knowledge anyway, has an unofficial fan site allowed the artist's legal representation an official voice on its pages. So this is something new... Good scoop for Web Sheriff this one, which is a commercial corporation, always looking for new clientele. They have a world first, representing one of the biggest artist on the planet. What does this mean for us, and anyone with any corporate insight will acknowledge this : The Web Sheriff will be using us to get their next client on board. The Web Sheriff will be a busy little bee, making lots of screenshots of people calling them names, asking questions etc. These screenshots wil go into Powerpoint presentations, that have titles such as "Web Sheriff : the fan community expert", and "Web Sheriff : the art of manipulating the community into compliance" . They'll use someone's particularly dumb comment to get a laugh from the audience, they'll take someone's quasi legal approach as an example of what to expect, they'll use someone's "peace offering" as proof that community manipulation does work. Just so you know. You gonna be in the Sheriff's Powerpoint Presentation. Say Cheese! "this especially prepared potato is called pomme de terre" | |
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It is staggering that HQ would allow Web Sheriff onto their site.
Its like the Munich agreement all over again. |
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Invite them in and ban them, all within 48 hours. You couldn't make it up [Edited 9/29/07 16:11pm] |
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swanny said: It is staggering that HQ would allow Web Sheriff onto their site.
Its like the Munich agreement all over again. Arron said in the thread they would be allowed to be members again, but someone let GSH play with the ban button again | |
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cream72 said: UNBELIEVABLE!!!!
Websherrif has just Posted a statement on HQ about discussions nothing bad and the mod GSH has banned them for posting THIS WEB SHERIFF
Hi Again Everyone, Surely opinions can be expressed here without insults and vitriol ... .. and, moreover, without the censorship of thread closure ?? Again, we are simply looking for open debate and, given time, the opportunity to more fully address your concerns and queries. M3Taverse, this is not a marketing exercise - we can assure you - and, ultimately, this matter is too important to be trivialised as such ... .. we are in the business of fighting piracy, NOT fans, but there are issues that need to be addressed here and that is what we have been doing (both through our - now closed - thread and through comms with the Mods behind-the-scenes). We have agreed to leave this debate to the regular members for now but, hopefully, we'll be able to pick-up the thread again soon (in more ways than one). With Best Regards to All, WEB SHERIFF GSH Wrote: You were told in the other thread to not post again until contacted by Aaron or Turnitup.
As you obviously hold our moderators and rules in total contempt you are now banned from the site. Do not sign up with a new account. Contact Turnitup via email to discuss whether you will be allowed access again. Well done GSH you may have just set HQ Back a step or two. Arron do yourself a favour get rid of this Mod lol see what I mean? Those big-ass heads of theirs is really an asset!!! This is going to get juicy in the next few days given this little tid-bit! | |
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cream72 said: Arron said in the thread they would be allowed to be members again, but someone let GSH play with the ban button again And he does like his ban button. |
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moderatorIf HQ falls over, that's 1 of only 2 relevant Prince sites down. Half of what we have.
The fact that this topic on the org is dominated by people who were kicked from Housequake is sad. "this especially prepared potato is called pomme de terre" | |
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Housequake must have said something to the owners or moderators of Prince.org at some point. When an orger posted a link of a photo(one from Housequake) in the chatroom of Prince about a month and a half ago, the moderator made sure to point out that was NOT permitted and could cause a legal problem if the people/person from Housequake found out about it. That sort of sounds like Housequake claimed the right to those photos.
So who actually owns the rights to the photos? Housequake owners did not take the actual photo so they shouldn't claim any right to it. | |
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m3taverse said: If HQ falls over, that's 1 of only 2 relevant Prince sites down. Half of what we have.
The fact that this topic on the org is dominated by people who were kicked from Housequake is sad. It's deeper than that but point well taken. | |
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cream72 said: UNBELIEVABLE!!!!
Websherrif has just Posted a statement on HQ about discussions nothing bad and the mod GSH has banned them for posting THIS WEB SHERIFF
Hi Again Everyone, Surely opinions can be expressed here without insults and vitriol ... .. and, moreover, without the censorship of thread closure ?? Again, we are simply looking for open debate and, given time, the opportunity to more fully address your concerns and queries. M3Taverse, this is not a marketing exercise - we can assure you - and, ultimately, this matter is too important to be trivialised as such ... .. we are in the business of fighting piracy, NOT fans, but there are issues that need to be addressed here and that is what we have been doing (both through our - now closed - thread and through comms with the Mods behind-the-scenes). We have agreed to leave this debate to the regular members for now but, hopefully, we'll be able to pick-up the thread again soon (in more ways than one). With Best Regards to All, WEB SHERIFF GSH Wrote: You were told in the other thread to not post again until contacted by Aaron or Turnitup.
As you obviously hold our moderators and rules in total contempt you are now banned from the site. Do not sign up with a new account. Contact Turnitup via email to discuss whether you will be allowed access again. Well done GSH you may have just set HQ Back a step or two. Arron do yourself a favour get rid of this Mod My my what as mess now it will just get worse . It obvious both sides will never get on an will never trust each other and will not negotiate at all ( Oh that stubborn hot headed look is so last season ). if they are going to attempt to improve things they all need to keep a cool head and chill (and that includes the fans). If not then they may need to find another mediator to negotiate with the negotiators wouldnt like 2 be that person with that job. 
Everyone step back, chill out no creating a "Us and Them" again everyone please at least try and work together 2 resolve this.  Oh my backside is about 2 be toasted i just know it  | |
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cream72 said: UNBELIEVABLE!!!!
Websherrif has just Posted a statement on HQ about discussions nothing bad and the mod GSH has banned them for posting THIS WEB SHERIFF
Hi Again Everyone, Surely opinions can be expressed here without insults and vitriol ... .. and, moreover, without the censorship of thread closure ?? Again, we are simply looking for open debate and, given time, the opportunity to more fully address your concerns and queries. M3Taverse, this is not a marketing exercise - we can assure you - and, ultimately, this matter is too important to be trivialised as such ... .. we are in the business of fighting piracy, NOT fans, but there are issues that need to be addressed here and that is what we have been doing (both through our - now closed - thread and through comms with the Mods behind-the-scenes). We have agreed to leave this debate to the regular members for now but, hopefully, we'll be able to pick-up the thread again soon (in more ways than one). With Best Regards to All, WEB SHERIFF GSH Wrote: You were told in the other thread to not post again until contacted by Aaron or Turnitup.
As you obviously hold our moderators and rules in total contempt you are now banned from the site. Do not sign up with a new account. Contact Turnitup via email to discuss whether you will be allowed access again. Well done GSH you may have just set HQ Back a step or two. Arron do yourself a favour get rid of this Mod Go back and read the bolded part again. Prince, in you I found a kindred spirit...Rest In Paradise. | |
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katt said: Everyone step back, chill out no creating a "Us and Them" again everyone please at least try and work together 2 resolve this. Oh my backside is about 2 be toasted i just know it No backside toasting here Katt. I said the same thing earlier on this thread, which IMO was created specifically to foster division and animosity rather than discussion. I'm inclined to remain neutral because I don't see any point in people with an axe to grind bringing their ill will onto the org and also because in the grand scheme, none of this is important enough to sustain this level of angst. Prince could retire and the fansites could vanish tomorrow and y'know what? We'll manage to get over it. Prince, in you I found a kindred spirit...Rest In Paradise. | |
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thanks yall for your replies. No , I am not a mod and no they don't just "show it to anyone". As I stated my field is US intellectual property law and I was assisting with legal counsel on the US side. That is the only reason. I just wanted people to understand that there is more to it than just the posting of O2 pics and that HQ is truly trying to work with web sheriff and prince's team on a resolution rather than taking a "I am right and u r wrong so kiss my ass" approach. I think that shows a great deal of good will on both sides, and truly hope it is real.
I like housequake, and I like the org, both for different reasons. I am willing to bet if prince's team came to the org and said remove ur picture gallery, remove ur avatars, remove the album cover art and don't use my name or I will sue you in every jurisdiction of the world, the org would find itself in a very similar situation. | |
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babynoz said:[quote]
No backside toasting here Katt. I said the same thing earlier on this thread, which IMO was created specifically to foster division and animosity rather than discussion. [quote] Simply not true. Just my observation. U guys have no idea of the BS that has occured behind the scenes. Total BS and I'm just tired of it. | |
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txladykat said: thanks yall for your replies. No , I am not a mod and no they don't just "show it to anyone". As I stated my field is US intellectual property law and I was assisting with legal counsel on the US side. That is the only reason. I just wanted people to understand that there is more to it than just the posting of O2 pics and that HQ is truly trying to work with web sheriff and prince's team on a resolution rather than taking a "I am right and u r wrong so kiss my ass" approach. I think that shows a great deal of good will on both sides, and truly hope it is real.
this I agree with.I like housequake, and I like the org, both for different reasons. I am willing to bet if prince's team came to the org and said remove ur picture gallery, remove ur avatars, remove the album cover art and don't use my name or I will sue you in every jurisdiction of the world, the org would find itself in a very similar situation. | |
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txladykat said: thanks yall for your replies. No , I am not a mod and no they don't just "show it to anyone". As I stated my field is US intellectual property law and I was assisting with legal counsel on the US side. That is the only reason. I just wanted people to understand that there is more to it than just the posting of O2 pics and that HQ is truly trying to work with web sheriff and prince's team on a resolution rather than taking a "I am right and u r wrong so kiss my ass" approach. I think that shows a great deal of good will on both sides, and truly hope it is real.
I like housequake, and I like the org, both for different reasons. I am willing to bet if prince's team came to the org and said remove ur picture gallery, remove ur avatars, remove the album cover art and don't use my name or I will sue you in every jurisdiction of the world, the org would find itself in a very similar situation. You don't owe anyone here any explanations texie but thanks for clarifying your role nonetheless. As usual, you conduct yourself with class and dignity. Prince, in you I found a kindred spirit...Rest In Paradise. | |
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Go back and read the bolded part again.
And your point is? The whole Housequake situation is a Joke on thier part. Web sheriff should just take a leaf out of what other ex members has found out thiers no way you can get a decent opinion out of the housequake fanatics who think the site is the best thing since slice bread, Well Bread can go Mouldy too. Oh and why are they Bringing the Org in the discussion by telling Web Sheriff to check out the photos on here. They probably know about the photos on here but the problem seems to be Housequake face it prince probably does not like the site, where housequake spouts about independence, you can be independent without causing friction for yourself. Now face it they have took liberties... Video Forum Concert photos (Which was requested not to put on housequake) Requesting of Bootleg Covers. And telling Web Sheriff/Prince to Go fuck thereselves aint going to help Also I deliberatly got myself banned thinking it would be easier to get my account deleted but what do you know im still listed as a Member so i wonder how many of the 30,000+ Members are Active Members. | |
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