'Into the Spider-Verse' was a great example of how it could work for any other established "human" super hero.

Superman is an alien and could look like anyone/anything.

The possibilities are actually endless.

nayroo2002 said:

onlyforaminute said:

Isn't there first a "Snyder Cut" of Justice League coming out?

Or was that all just hoopla?

Maybe the movie will be about Calvin Ellis or someone from Vathlo Island instead of Clark Kent. Or John Henry Irons but without Shaq this time.

nayroo2002 said:

Isn't there first a "Snyder Cut" of Justice League coming out?

I'm not sure how many people want to sit through a 4 hour long movie though and you have to be subcribed to HBO Max to watch it.

MickyDolenz said:

nayroo2002 said:

Isn't there first a "Snyder Cut" of Justice League coming out?

I'm not sure how many people want to sit through a 4 hour long movie though and you have to be subcribed to HBO Max to watch it.

There hasn't been any other film that anyone cannot get somewhere from the interwebs.

Plus, if you like any other serieses's, you can just cut it into 8 parts and binge it over the weekend.

Can you smell that?

nayroo2002 said:

There hasn't been any other film that anyone cannot get somewhere from the interwebs.

I don't think the Isley Brothers' 1970 concert movie It's Your Thing is anywhere online. It's never been on home video either, not even VHS.

nayroo2002 said:

EmmaMcG said:

nayroo2002 said:

Isn't there first a "Snyder Cut" of Justice League coming out?

Or was that all just hoopla?

Yeah it's out next month but before Snyder fans could get too excited one of the Warner bigwigs said that it's a "creative dead end" or words to that effect. In other words, even if the movie ends on a cliffhanger, don't expect to see a Justice League part 2, which was Snyder's original intention. The only reason they're allowing Snyder to finish his version of the original movie is because every time a new DC movie comes out Warner get bombarded with petitions to release the Snyder cut, which often gets more press than the movie they're trying to promote. Releasing the Snyder cut now will hopefully turn public opinion around and make us forget about how ineptly they've been running things for the last few years. Plus, Zack Snyder isn't getting paid a penny for his work on the final cut so it's also a relatively cheap PR win for WB.

Then, it's only for his fans.

nayroo2002 said:

Then, it's only for his fans.

I think the plot is basically the same on both versions, but WB was probably trying to get the success of the MCU, and so changed the tone from the dark style they were doing. Since the previous entries did not do as well as WB was expecting.

EmmaMcG said:

onlyforaminute said:

EmmaMcG said:

J.J Abrams is rebooting Superman for Warner Bros, seemingly putting an end to any hopes that we'd get a sequel to Man of Steel. Word around the campfire suggests that not only are they recasting the lead role but they're looking to cast a black actor as Superman. I'm all for more black (and female, for that matter) superhero movies but fuck me, this just sounds like an awful idea. It kind of reminds me of the time some idiot at a movie studio thought it would be a good idea to make an all-female Ghostbusters movie. And we seen how that turned out. Now, this "black Superman" movie probably won't be as bad as that, and may even turn out to be a good movie, but it won't be Superman. Not to me. Rather than making traditionally white heroes black would it not be better to make movies of already black heroes? Just a thought.

It IS an awful idea...I hate when these mfers re-write the source material.

Leave Supes the way he is and work on MoS 2.

I'll pass on this.

uPtoWnNY said:

onlyforaminute said:

Well JJ created an alternative universe for ST which has caused chaos but per EmmaMcG there is an official alternative uni for Superman so maybe he'll stick with that some kind of way. I can see that working without chaos ensuing. I personally like stuff to make some sense.

Like I mentioned above there's a Black Superman in the comics named Calvin Ellis. In the comics there are also times when the Clark Kent Superman spilt into 2 people, Red Superman & Blue Superman.

EmmaMcG said:

Has there ever been a company so out of touch with what its fans want as Warner Bros?

No, and it's what happens when the suits in charge think they know more than creative people. Those clowns actually thought Nicholas Cage doing Superman would be a great idea.

WB had a chance to set up the DCEU perfectly had they done MoS 2, then stand-alone films featuring their main characters, followed by Justice League. But they got greedy and rushed everything. IMO, it's beyond repair.

But at least they did the MonsterVerse right.

MickyDolenz said:

onlyforaminute said:

Do you think Abrams is the type to use this material in creating or invent his own universe first?

Its been reported that Ta-Nehisi Coates is supposed to be writing this movie. Coates has written for the Black Panther comic book. I think Abrams is just the producer.

MickyDolenz said:

uPtoWnNY said:

onlyforaminute said:

Oh really? WB taking hints.

2 or 3 years ago there was a rumor that Michael B. Jordan was being recruited to play Superman. Don't know if that was true or not.

MickyDolenz said:

onlyforaminute said:

Oh really? WB taking hints.

2 or 3 years ago there was a rumor that Michael B. Jordan was being recruited to play Superman. Don't know if that was true or not.

He refused unless he could play Calvin Ellis or another canon black character.
I for one can't wait for the Snydercut and 4 hours isn;'t that long to sit through for a superhero movie especially one like MOS, BvS and WW to me.
teh only thig that annoys me is the fact that the Snydercut ends with a massive cliffhanger and we'll never get to see Apokolips and the all out war in space that Snyder had planned for JL 2 and 3.

JorisE73 said:

the only thig that annoys me is the fact that the Snydercut ends with a massive cliffhanger and we'll never get to see Apokolips and the all out war in space that Snyder had planned for JL 2 and 3.

From what I understand, it would be partly similar to Infinity War/Endgame. General audiences might have said it's a copy. Since Marvel got their movies out first. But comics copied each other all the time though. Thanos was a copy of Darkseid. Shazam! (the original Captain Marvel) was kinda similar to Superman. Captain Marvel was selling more than Superman at one point until DC sued Fawcett Comics and got control of the character. Stan Lee & Jack Kirby have worked for Marvel & DC.

EmmaMcG said:

J.J Abrams is rebooting Superman for Warner Bros, seemingly putting an end to any hopes that we'd get a sequel to Man of Steel. Word around the campfire suggests that not only are they recasting the lead role but they're looking to cast a black actor as Superman. I'm all for more black (and female, for that matter) superhero movies but fuck me, this just sounds like an awful idea. It kind of reminds me of the time some idiot at a movie studio thought it would be a good idea to make an all-female Ghostbusters movie. And we seen how that turned out. Now, this "black Superman" movie probably won't be as bad as that, and may even turn out to be a good movie, but it won't be Superman. Not to me. Rather than making traditionally white heroes black would it not be better to make movies of already black heroes? Just a thought.

I got mixed feelings about this. On one hand i agree with what you said. But on the other hand i would be curious to see how a black Superman story played out. Me personally though, as a black man, i must say that i give few damn's about the diversity/woke aspect of having a black Superman. That really means nothing to me. I'm a old school(early 70's) superhero fan and sort of a traditionalist when it comes to character image etc. So much so that when i first saw how the new Aquaman looked, i was like WTF? Aquaman don't look like that ! And what about his outfit?? Why isn't it orange and green..! However, i eventually checked out the new Aquaman and enjoyed and respected what they did with the character.


I'm more than willing to give black Superman a chance. There's a lot of people out there who probably won't though. I think it would be better, and very, very interesting to see someone expand on the Superman/world of krypton story. There's Supergirl, so why not have a black character with similar powers as Superman, who also made it out of krypton? Y'all think that could work?

JoeyC said: