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Reply #90 posted 03/23/21 9:31pm

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EmmaMcG said:
Well if that's all you took from the Snyder Cut version of the character then there's nothing I can really say to that lol

I've already said i missd some of the synder cut. I doubt i missed enough to warrant a whole origin story movie though. Ready to move forward. On to the apocalypse.

just watch the movie before you comment any further


I gave a simplified version of the theater version like I said I'm not changing it. Emma threw in it's not the synder versionI figure why argue about it. What's next.
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Reply #91 posted 03/24/21 2:13am

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onlyforaminute said:

nayroo2002 said:



onlyforaminute said:


EmmaMcG said:
Well if that's all you took from the Snyder Cut version of the character then there's nothing I can really say to that lol

I've already said i missd some of the synder cut. I doubt i missed enough to warrant a whole origin story movie though. Ready to move forward. On to the apocalypse.

just watch the movie before you comment any further


I gave a simplified version of the theater version like I said I'm not changing it. Emma threw in it's not the synder versionI figure why argue about it. What's next.


Exactly. No point arguing about it. At the end of the day it's just men in capes. Who really gives a flying fuck?

LOL, "flying fuck", see what I did there?
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Reply #92 posted 03/24/21 6:00am

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I never implied all that.
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Reply #93 posted 03/24/21 7:51am

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onlyforaminute said:

I never implied all that.


I know you didn't. I'M saying it.
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Reply #94 posted 03/24/21 12:12pm

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J.J Abrams is rebooting Superman for Warner Bros, seemingly putting an end to any hopes that we'd get a sequel to Man of Steel. Word around the campfire suggests that not only are they recasting the lead role but they're looking to cast a black actor as Superman. I'm all for more black (and female, for that matter) superhero movies but fuck me, this just sounds like an awful idea. It kind of reminds me of the time some idiot at a movie studio thought it would be a good idea to make an all-female Ghostbusters movie. And we seen how that turned out. Now, this "black Superman" movie probably won't be as bad as that, and may even turn out to be a good movie, but it won't be Superman. Not to me. Rather than making traditionally white heroes black would it not be better to make movies of already black heroes? Just a thought.


So the Kryptonian is supposed to be white, for you?

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Reply #95 posted 03/24/21 2:10pm

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namepeace said:



EmmaMcG said:


J.J Abrams is rebooting Superman for Warner Bros, seemingly putting an end to any hopes that we'd get a sequel to Man of Steel. Word around the campfire suggests that not only are they recasting the lead role but they're looking to cast a black actor as Superman. I'm all for more black (and female, for that matter) superhero movies but fuck me, this just sounds like an awful idea. It kind of reminds me of the time some idiot at a movie studio thought it would be a good idea to make an all-female Ghostbusters movie. And we seen how that turned out. Now, this "black Superman" movie probably won't be as bad as that, and may even turn out to be a good movie, but it won't be Superman. Not to me. Rather than making traditionally white heroes black would it not be better to make movies of already black heroes? Just a thought.


So the Kryptonian is supposed to be white, for you?



Let's see... I don't read comics but I've seen images from comics and Clark Kent is always portrayed as a white man. George Reeves was white. Christopher Reeve was white. Brandon Routh is white. Tom Welling is white. Henry Cavill is white. I'll grant you that Dean Cain is part Asian but traditionally, the character of Kal-El is portrayed as a white man. So, to answer your question, yes. To me, the Kryptonian is supposed to be white.

Now, don't give me any of that bullshit of "it's a fictional character, he can be any colour" because that's just an excuse. And a flimsy one at that. Changing a character's race or gender just for the sake of it is horseshit. Kal-El is a white character. Blade is a black character. The Ghostbusters are male. For some reason studios love to fuck around with this kind of thing and I can't think of any examples where it was successful. Critically or commercially.
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Reply #96 posted 03/25/21 10:02am

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EmmaMcG said:

onlyforaminute said:

I never implied all that.


I know you didn't. I'M saying it.

I know how serious fans can be. I'm just trying to get enthusiastic about it. I thought the whole snyder thing created some for future projects hopefully it'll move in that direction going forward.
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Reply #97 posted 03/25/21 11:52am

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onlyforaminute said:

EmmaMcG said:



I know you didn't. I'M saying it.

I know how serious fans can be. I'm just trying to get enthusiastic about it. I thought the whole snyder thing created some for future projects hopefully it'll move in that direction going forward.


Warner already said that the Snyder Cut is a "creative cul-de-sac" and will be completely ignored in future DC movies. Now, the Snyder Cut is far from perfect but it's far better than anything else WB have put out since so hopefully it does well enough for WB to change their minds. But I've already made my peace with the fact that the movies they are making are just not for me. Twilight Batman already seems like a massive step backwards, WW84 was a huge disappointment, The Suicide Squad looks shit, that Harley Quinn movie was the worst yet and now they look set on doing a Black Superman. There's some hope for The Flash movie but given the state of the DCEU up to now, I'm sure that will turn out shit as well. I'll always give these movies a chance to impress but all hype I had before is now well and truly dead.
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Reply #98 posted 03/25/21 3:00pm

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So the Kryptonian is supposed to be white, for you?

Let's see... I don't read comics but I've seen images from comics and Clark Kent is always portrayed as a white man. George Reeves was white. Christopher Reeve was white. Brandon Routh is white. Tom Welling is white. Henry Cavill is white. I'll grant you that Dean Cain is part Asian but traditionally, the character of Kal-El is portrayed as a white man. So, to answer your question, yes. To me, the Kryptonian is supposed to be white. So, the character has always been drawn white therefore the character must always be white? Okay.

Now, don't give me any of that bullshit of "it's a fictional character, he can be any colour" because that's just an excuse. And a flimsy one at that. Changing a character's race or gender just for the sake of it is horseshit. Kal-El is a white character. Blade is a black character. The Ghostbusters are male. For some reason studios love to fuck around with this kind of thing and I can't think of any examples where it was successful. Critically or commercially.

The thought that an alien has always been drawn white therefore he can't be drawn any other way is even weaker.
Plus, you don't even know what the script or film will look like yet. You can't say that a "change" of Kal-El's "race" is "just for the sake of it." Seems like you've just assumed that a take on Superman being a black man won't have anything else to say or add, even with one of the most acclaimed thinkers and writers of the last decade writing the script.


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Reply #99 posted 03/25/21 3:44pm

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namepeace said:



EmmaMcG said:


namepeace said:



So the Kryptonian is supposed to be white, for you?




Let's see... I don't read comics but I've seen images from comics and Clark Kent is always portrayed as a white man. George Reeves was white. Christopher Reeve was white. Brandon Routh is white. Tom Welling is white. Henry Cavill is white. I'll grant you that Dean Cain is part Asian but traditionally, the character of Kal-El is portrayed as a white man. So, to answer your question, yes. To me, the Kryptonian is supposed to be white. So, the character has always been drawn white therefore the character must always be white? Okay.



Now, don't give me any of that bullshit of "it's a fictional character, he can be any colour" because that's just an excuse. And a flimsy one at that. Changing a character's race or gender just for the sake of it is horseshit. Kal-El is a white character. Blade is a black character. The Ghostbusters are male. For some reason studios love to fuck around with this kind of thing and I can't think of any examples where it was successful. Critically or commercially.

The thought that an alien has always been drawn white therefore he can't be drawn any other way is even weaker.

Plus, you don't even know what the script or film will look like yet. You can't say that a "change" of Kal-El's "race" is "just for the sake of it." Seems like you've just assumed that a take on Superman being a black man won't have anything else to say or add, even with one of the most acclaimed thinkers and writers of the last decade writing the script.





so you subscribe to the 'corporate entities should be free to exploit their properties to whatever marketing ends they desire' as opposed to the 'creative vision of artists should be respected' line of thought?
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Reply #100 posted 03/25/21 4:03pm

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EmmaMcG said:

onlyforaminute said:


I know how serious fans can be. I'm just trying to get enthusiastic about it. I thought the whole snyder thing created some for future projects hopefully it'll move in that direction going forward.


Warner already said that the Snyder Cut is a "creative cul-de-sac" and will be completely ignored in future DC movies. Now, the Snyder Cut is far from perfect but it's far better than anything else WB have put out since so hopefully it does well enough for WB to change their minds. But I've already made my peace with the fact that the movies they are making are just not for me. Twilight Batman already seems like a massive step backwards, WW84 was a huge disappointment, The Suicide Squad looks shit, that Harley Quinn movie was the worst yet and now they look set on doing a Black Superman. There's some hope for The Flash movie but given the state of the DCEU up to now, I'm sure that will turn out shit as well. I'll always give these movies a chance to impress but all hype I had before is now well and truly dead.

I
I finally realized they aren't doing what Marvel's doing. Which obviously they don't have to. So I'll be missing chunks of this universe and not worry about it. I never saw WW84 and I probably won't, I'm not feeling compelled to seek it out. I may do the Snyder cut again. Maybe. I thought it held some explanation for what's next but I guess it's what's next with his projects specifically.
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Reply #101 posted 03/25/21 6:06pm

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namepeace said:



EmmaMcG said:


namepeace said:



So the Kryptonian is supposed to be white, for you?




Let's see... I don't read comics but I've seen images from comics and Clark Kent is always portrayed as a white man. George Reeves was white. Christopher Reeve was white. Brandon Routh is white. Tom Welling is white. Henry Cavill is white. I'll grant you that Dean Cain is part Asian but traditionally, the character of Kal-El is portrayed as a white man. So, to answer your question, yes. To me, the Kryptonian is supposed to be white. So, the character has always been drawn white therefore the character must always be white? Okay.



Now, don't give me any of that bullshit of "it's a fictional character, he can be any colour" because that's just an excuse. And a flimsy one at that. Changing a character's race or gender just for the sake of it is horseshit. Kal-El is a white character. Blade is a black character. The Ghostbusters are male. For some reason studios love to fuck around with this kind of thing and I can't think of any examples where it was successful. Critically or commercially.

The thought that an alien has always been drawn white therefore he can't be drawn any other way is even weaker.

Plus, you don't even know what the script or film will look like yet. You can't say that a "change" of Kal-El's "race" is "just for the sake of it." Seems like you've just assumed that a take on Superman being a black man won't have anything else to say or add, even with one of the most acclaimed thinkers and writers of the last decade writing the script.





If they made Blade white, would you have a problem with that? Had they made "Wonder Man" instead of Wonder Woman, would you have had a problem with that? I bet you would. Because I know I would.

I already said in an earlier post that we don't know how they'll justify making Superman black. If they choose to make a movie about the actual black Superman, Val-Zod, then it kind of makes sense. But if they decide to make Kal-El black, despite having a perfectly fine black alternative as an established character, then that is definitely a case of them changing his race for the sake of it. After all, if they want to tell a specific Superman story and Superman has to be black for that story to work, then why not use Val-Zod, who is already an established black character? There's absolutely no need to make Clark Kent black when a black Superman already exists. So again, if they go that route and make Kal-El black, then we know they're doing just to pat themselves on the back and make out like they care about minorities. And perhaps they'll put out some PR fires caused by their treatment of Ray Fisher.
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Reply #102 posted 03/25/21 6:23pm

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EmmaMcG said:



Warner already said that the Snyder Cut is a "creative cul-de-sac" and will be completely ignored in future DC movies. Now, the Snyder Cut is far from perfect but it's far better than anything else WB have put out since so hopefully it does well enough for WB to change their minds. But I've already made my peace with the fact that the movies they are making are just not for me. Twilight Batman already seems like a massive step backwards, WW84 was a huge disappointment, The Suicide Squad looks shit, that Harley Quinn movie was the worst yet and now they look set on doing a Black Superman. There's some hope for The Flash movie but given the state of the DCEU up to now, I'm sure that will turn out shit as well. I'll always give these movies a chance to impress but all hype I had before is now well and truly dead.

I
I finally realized they aren't doing what Marvel's doing. Which obviously they don't have to. So I'll be missing chunks of this universe and not worry about it. I never saw WW84 and I probably won't, I'm not feeling compelled to seek it out. I may do the Snyder cut again. Maybe. I thought it held some explanation for what's next but I guess it's what's next with his projects specifically.


That's the thing though. They did try to do what Marvel's doing and they fucked up big time by failing to grasp what makes the Marvel movies so successful. Long-term planning. The DCEU had none of that. Sure, Zack Snyder had his own ideas of where it was going but Warner decided, as they did with Richard Donner and Tim Burton, that his vision was "too dark" and so they fired him and hired Joss Whedon who, in fairness, is a pretty good director but nobody would have been able to turn Zack Snyder's Justice League cut into a two hour, "fun" movie and make it watchable. Since then, the DCEU has moved on and honestly, it's all turned into a bit of a shitshow. Cavill seems to be out as Superman for good, Affleck says his appearance in The Flash will be his last as Batman and even Zack Snyder seems convinced that he's done with superheroes for now. Some WB bigwig said in a statement that there won't be any follow up or sequel to the Snyder Cut so that all seems pretty definitive.

But look, it is what it is. I still have Christopher Reeve and Michael Keaton as my Superman and Batman. Nothing after that counts as far as I'm concerned. Plus, I still have the MCU, which I've been following since the beginning. I do feel bad for people who don't like the MCU and were counting on the DCEU for their superhero fix but these things are cyclical. I'm sure at some point there'll be another good Superman movie made. It may be a while though. How many years were there between Superman 2 and Man of Steel again?
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Reply #103 posted 03/26/21 1:51am

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onlyforaminute said:
I I finally realized they aren't doing what Marvel's doing. Which obviously they don't have to. So I'll be missing chunks of this universe and not worry about it. I never saw WW84 and I probably won't, I'm not feeling compelled to seek it out. I may do the Snyder cut again. Maybe. I thought it held some explanation for what's next but I guess it's what's next with his projects specifically.
That's the thing though. They did try to do what Marvel's doing and they fucked up big time by failing to grasp what makes the Marvel movies so successful. Long-term planning. The DCEU had none of that. Sure, Zack Snyder had his own ideas of where it was going but Warner decided, as they did with Richard Donner and Tim Burton, that his vision was "too dark" and so they fired him and hired Joss Whedon who, in fairness, is a pretty good director but nobody would have been able to turn Zack Snyder's Justice League cut into a two hour, "fun" movie and make it watchable. Since then, the DCEU has moved on and honestly, it's all turned into a bit of a shitshow. Cavill seems to be out as Superman for good, Affleck says his appearance in The Flash will be his last as Batman and even Zack Snyder seems convinced that he's done with superheroes for now. Some WB bigwig said in a statement that there won't be any follow up or sequel to the Snyder Cut so that all seems pretty definitive. But look, it is what it is. I still have Christopher Reeve and Michael Keaton as my Superman and Batman. Nothing after that counts as far as I'm concerned. Plus, I still have the MCU, which I've been following since the beginning. I do feel bad for people who don't like the MCU and were counting on the DCEU for their superhero fix but these things are cyclical. I'm sure at some point there'll be another good Superman movie made. It may be a while though. How many years were there between Superman 2 and Man of Steel again?


They DID have a plan (Snyder's/Jim Lee's plan) that strayed from the Marvel formula and had a full arc for each chyaracter already planned out but when Man of Steel disappointed WB and demanded Batman to be in BvS and BvS "flopped" then they pulled the plug on the original plans and decided to try and copy the Marvel formula. (Marvel hastily copying BvS by pitting Iron Man against Captain America in Civil War was a headscratcher regarding them having a plan tho.)
Snyder's/Lee's plan was much more interesting than what Marvel did and he was fully aware that he didn't need tpo copy them but sadly WB didn't/doesn't agree and there choice of sticking with the flops as canon as opposed to the succesful world building movie that the Snyder Cut is is another WB backwards dumb decision.

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Reply #104 posted 03/26/21 2:29am

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JorisE73 said:



EmmaMcG said:


onlyforaminute said:
I I finally realized they aren't doing what Marvel's doing. Which obviously they don't have to. So I'll be missing chunks of this universe and not worry about it. I never saw WW84 and I probably won't, I'm not feeling compelled to seek it out. I may do the Snyder cut again. Maybe. I thought it held some explanation for what's next but I guess it's what's next with his projects specifically.

That's the thing though. They did try to do what Marvel's doing and they fucked up big time by failing to grasp what makes the Marvel movies so successful. Long-term planning. The DCEU had none of that. Sure, Zack Snyder had his own ideas of where it was going but Warner decided, as they did with Richard Donner and Tim Burton, that his vision was "too dark" and so they fired him and hired Joss Whedon who, in fairness, is a pretty good director but nobody would have been able to turn Zack Snyder's Justice League cut into a two hour, "fun" movie and make it watchable. Since then, the DCEU has moved on and honestly, it's all turned into a bit of a shitshow. Cavill seems to be out as Superman for good, Affleck says his appearance in The Flash will be his last as Batman and even Zack Snyder seems convinced that he's done with superheroes for now. Some WB bigwig said in a statement that there won't be any follow up or sequel to the Snyder Cut so that all seems pretty definitive. But look, it is what it is. I still have Christopher Reeve and Michael Keaton as my Superman and Batman. Nothing after that counts as far as I'm concerned. Plus, I still have the MCU, which I've been following since the beginning. I do feel bad for people who don't like the MCU and were counting on the DCEU for their superhero fix but these things are cyclical. I'm sure at some point there'll be another good Superman movie made. It may be a while though. How many years were there between Superman 2 and Man of Steel again?


They DID have a plan (Snyder's/Jim Lee's plan) that strayed from the Marvel formula and had a full arc for each chyaracter already planned out but when Man of Steel disappointed WB and demanded Batman to be in BvS and BvS "flopped" then they pulled the plug on the original plans and decided to try and copy the Marvel formula. (Marvel hastily copying BvS by pitting Iron Man against Captain America in Civil War was a headscratcher regarding them having a plan tho.)
Snyder's/Lee's plan was much more interesting than what Marvel did and he was fully aware that he didn't need tpo copy them but sadly WB didn't/doesn't agree and there choice of sticking with the flops as canon as opposed to the succesful world building movie that the Snyder Cut is is another WB backwards dumb decision.


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You realise that Captain America fighting Iron Man in Civil War was something they had been planning to do in the movies since before even Iron Man was released back in 2008, right? They weren't copying Batman Vs Superman. For Christ sake how can you think they were copying something that didn't even exist. When work started on Civil War Man of Steel hadn't even come out yet They were adapting the Civil War comic book and the movie had been in the works for years. Marvel Studios have the next 20 movies worth of storylines planned out in advance. You may not like them but you can't say they're not organised.

As I said in the post you quoted, Zack Snyder had his own ideas about where to go with his own Superman story but after one underperforming movie at the box office WB canned that and launched themselves head first into The Justice League. I'm not blaming Snyder for that. That's 100% WB's fault for chasing that Avengers money rather than sticking with the original plan.

But you're right, Snyder's original plan of could have worked out better than the MCU. The whole shared movie universe thing is next to impossible to pull off and Marvel are the only company to have actually done it right and succeeded both critically and commercially. The Universal Monster thing never really got going, despite having Tom Cruise and Johnny Depp on board. The Godzilla/Kong thing is kind of fun but also kind of terrible. And the DCEU is a complete disaster. Snyder's original plan was like a 5 movie arc, right? A self contained story with a beginning, middle and end. It's a shame WB are so shit at what they do but hopefully they've now learned their lesson and if Justice League does well they'll get things back in track. Richard Donner and Tim Burton may be advising Zack Snyder not to hold his breath though.
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Reply #105 posted 03/26/21 11:05am

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new trailer (click on poster)

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Reply #106 posted 03/26/21 11:21am

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EmmaMcG said:

The Godzilla/Kong thing is kind of fun but also kind of terrible.

Well, people who are into Godzilla generally don't care about the humans or what they're doing. Just want to see monsters fight and smash buildings.

These Hollywood made Godzilla movies seem to take place at night or a cloudy day where you can't see anything. lol Also there were no singing twins for Mothra in King Of The Monsters. Shin Godzilla takes place in the daytime, but that was Japanese made.

You can take a black guy to Nashville from right out of the cotton fields with bib overalls, and they will call him R&B. You can take a white guy in a pin-stripe suit who’s never seen a cotton field, and they will call him country. ~ O. B. McClinton
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Reply #107 posted 03/26/21 11:43am

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EmmaMcG said:


The Godzilla/Kong thing is kind of fun but also kind of terrible.

Well, people who are into Godzilla generally don't care about the humans or what they're doing. Just want to see monsters fight and smash buildings.



These Hollywood made Godzilla movies seem to take place at night or a cloudy day where you can't see anything. lol Also there were no singing twins for Mothra in King Of The Monsters. Shin Godzilla takes place in the daytime, but that was Japanese made.



Don't get me wrong, I enjoy those new Godzilla movies. They're awful. But somewhat enjoyable.

I think the reason for them being mostly set at night is to cover up the dodgy CGI. I remember reading an interview with Roland Emmerich where he talked about his own Godzilla movie being primarily dark and rainy and he said it helped cover up the special effects.
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Reply #108 posted 03/26/21 11:44am

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new trailer (click on poster)




This looks absolutely awful lol
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Reply #109 posted 03/26/21 3:21pm

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EmmaMcG said:

JorisE73 said:



EmmaMcG said:


onlyforaminute said:
I I finally realized they aren't doing what Marvel's doing. Which obviously they don't have to. So I'll be missing chunks of this universe and not worry about it. I never saw WW84 and I probably won't, I'm not feeling compelled to seek it out. I may do the Snyder cut again. Maybe. I thought it held some explanation for what's next but I guess it's what's next with his projects specifically.

That's the thing though. They did try to do what Marvel's doing and they fucked up big time by failing to grasp what makes the Marvel movies so successful. Long-term planning. The DCEU had none of that. Sure, Zack Snyder had his own ideas of where it was going but Warner decided, as they did with Richard Donner and Tim Burton, that his vision was "too dark" and so they fired him and hired Joss Whedon who, in fairness, is a pretty good director but nobody would have been able to turn Zack Snyder's Justice League cut into a two hour, "fun" movie and make it watchable. Since then, the DCEU has moved on and honestly, it's all turned into a bit of a shitshow. Cavill seems to be out as Superman for good, Affleck says his appearance in The Flash will be his last as Batman and even Zack Snyder seems convinced that he's done with superheroes for now. Some WB bigwig said in a statement that there won't be any follow up or sequel to the Snyder Cut so that all seems pretty definitive. But look, it is what it is. I still have Christopher Reeve and Michael Keaton as my Superman and Batman. Nothing after that counts as far as I'm concerned. Plus, I still have the MCU, which I've been following since the beginning. I do feel bad for people who don't like the MCU and were counting on the DCEU for their superhero fix but these things are cyclical. I'm sure at some point there'll be another good Superman movie made. It may be a while though. How many years were there between Superman 2 and Man of Steel again?


They DID have a plan (Snyder's/Jim Lee's plan) that strayed from the Marvel formula and had a full arc for each chyaracter already planned out but when Man of Steel disappointed WB and demanded Batman to be in BvS and BvS "flopped" then they pulled the plug on the original plans and decided to try and copy the Marvel formula. (Marvel hastily copying BvS by pitting Iron Man against Captain America in Civil War was a headscratcher regarding them having a plan tho.)
Snyder's/Lee's plan was much more interesting than what Marvel did and he was fully aware that he didn't need tpo copy them but sadly WB didn't/doesn't agree and there choice of sticking with the flops as canon as opposed to the succesful world building movie that the Snyder Cut is is another WB backwards dumb decision.


[Edited 3/26/21 1:52am]

[Edited 3/26/21 1:57am]



You realise that Captain America fighting Iron Man in Civil War was something they had been planning to do in the movies since before even Iron Man was released back in 2008, right? They weren't copying Batman Vs Superman. For Christ sake how can you think they were copying something that didn't even exist. When work started on Civil War Man of Steel hadn't even come out yet


Good joke. What I said is well known and not even a secret, the Russo brothers were always open about this. Even in 2016:

https://screenrant.com/ca...-inspired/

https://www.businessinsid...nce-2016-4

https://www.indiewire.com...ce-292078/
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Reply #110 posted 03/26/21 3:42pm

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JorisE73 said:

EmmaMcG said:



You realise that Captain America fighting Iron Man in Civil War was something they had been planning to do in the movies since before even Iron Man was released back in 2008, right? They weren't copying Batman Vs Superman. For Christ sake how can you think they were copying something that didn't even exist. When work started on Civil War Man of Steel hadn't even come out yet


Good joke. What I said is well known and not even a secret, the Russo brothers were always open about this. Even in 2016:

https://screenrant.com/ca...-inspired/

https://www.businessinsid...nce-2016-4

https://www.indiewire.com...ce-292078/


They started writing the screenplay in 2013, the year Man of Steel came out and long before WB decided to fuck everything up by insisting on putting Batman in the sequel. You think they just made the movie within the timeframe of WB announcing BVS and Civil War releasing? Have you any idea how long it takes to make even a standalone movie of that size, let alone one that ties into so many other different movies and sets the stage for the Infinity Saga? I know the Russos are good but NOBODY is that good. Kevin Feige has said himself how long they've been planning on doing that movie. Pretty much since the original comic book came out in 2006/7. Long before The Russos were involved in the project.

So explain to me again how Marvel adapting one of their own comic books from 2007 is inspired by a movie that came out nearly 10 years later.



The bottom line is that WB have consistently fucked up their own movie universe by trying to play catch-up with Marvel and as much as I don't like to admit it, Marvel have been the clear "winners" in every conceivable way. Better box office returns, more critical acclaim, generating more hype amongst their fanbase and most importantly of all, far, far better movies. They have had a clear vision from the very beginning of where their stories are going and are now planning their next 10 years worth of movies. Compare that with Warner who seem to change their mind after each movie and have no clear idea what they're doing, despite their fans telling them over and over again what they want. They haven't a clue what they're doing and the quality of their movies shows that.
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Reply #111 posted 03/26/21 7:14pm

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A part of me wants to say more but too long to type. Imo, the power of Disney is giving Marvel it's success. Disney has the knowledge or science if you will about it's audience. They are experts on the psychology of the market. A wide ranging audience. They know the emotional buttons well. They ought to they've been at it a long time. Through a lot of trial and error.
Time keeps on slipping into the future...


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Reply #112 posted 03/26/21 10:22pm

uPtoWnNY

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The Godzilla/Kong thing is kind of fun but also kind of terrible.

To me, it's the only thing WB has done right (since Man of Steel), especially with the monster designs.

[Edited 3/26/21 22:28pm]

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Reply #113 posted 03/26/21 10:27pm

uPtoWnNY

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EmmaMcG said:

The Godzilla/Kong thing is kind of fun but also kind of terrible.

Well, people who are into Godzilla generally don't care about the humans or what they're doing. Just want to see monsters fight and smash buildings.

These Hollywood made Godzilla movies seem to take place at night or a cloudy day where you can't see anything. lol Also there were no singing twins for Mothra in King Of The Monsters. Shin Godzilla takes place in the daytime, but that was Japanese made.

Exactly. The only human G-Fans cared about was Dr. Serizawa from the 1954 original (still the best and most serious Godzilla film).

Godzilla vs. Kong next week and Mortal Kombat in April. thumbs up!

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Reply #114 posted 03/27/21 2:41am

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onlyforaminute said:

A part of me wants to say more but too long to type. Imo, the power of Disney is giving Marvel it's success. Disney has the knowledge or science if you will about it's audience. They are experts on the psychology of the market. A wide ranging audience. They know the emotional buttons well. They ought to they've been at it a long time. Through a lot of trial and error.


Yeah, that's definitely part of it. No doubt they share their know-how with Marvel Studios but don't forget that the MCU began before Disney bought Marvel. The first Iron Man movie was essentially a big budget indie movie. One of the early MCU movies was done with Paramount too, right? No doubt that Disney have used their considerable resources and market knowledge since then though.
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Reply #115 posted 03/27/21 2:41am

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uPtoWnNY said:



MickyDolenz said:




EmmaMcG said:


The Godzilla/Kong thing is kind of fun but also kind of terrible.

Well, people who are into Godzilla generally don't care about the humans or what they're doing. Just want to see monsters fight and smash buildings.



These Hollywood made Godzilla movies seem to take place at night or a cloudy day where you can't see anything. lol Also there were no singing twins for Mothra in King Of The Monsters. Shin Godzilla takes place in the daytime, but that was Japanese made.




Exactly. The only human G-Fans cared about was Dr. Serizawa from the 1954 original (still the best and most serious Godzilla film).



Godzilla vs. Kong next week and Mortal Kombat in April. thumbs up!



I'm looking forward to it.
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Reply #116 posted 03/27/21 3:16am

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JorisE73 said:
Good joke. What I said is well known and not even a secret, the Russo brothers were always open about this. Even in 2016: https://screenrant.com/ca...-inspired/ https://www.businessinsid...nce-2016-4 https://www.indiewire.com...ce-292078/
They started writing the screenplay in 2013, the year Man of Steel came out and long before WB decided to fuck everything up by insisting on putting Batman in the sequel. You think they just made the movie within the timeframe of WB announcing BVS and Civil War releasing? Have you any idea how long it takes to make even a standalone movie of that size, let alone one that ties into so many other different movies and sets the stage for the Infinity Saga? I know the Russos are good but NOBODY is that good. Kevin Feige has said himself how long they've been planning on doing that movie. Pretty much since the original comic book came out in 2006/7. Long before The Russos were involved in the project. So explain to me again how Marvel adapting one of their own comic books from 2007 is inspired by a movie that came out nearly 10 years later. The bottom line is that WB have consistently fucked up their own movie universe by trying to play catch-up with Marvel and as much as I don't like to admit it, Marvel have been the clear "winners" in every conceivable way. Better box office returns, more critical acclaim, generating more hype amongst their fanbase and most importantly of all, far, far better movies. They have had a clear vision from the very beginning of where their stories are going and are now planning their next 10 years worth of movies. Compare that with Warner who seem to change their mind after each movie and have no clear idea what they're doing, despite their fans telling them over and over again what they want. They haven't a clue what they're doing and the quality of their movies shows that.


That;'s not he point I was trying to make.
The Civil War storyline as a movie plan wasn't even a thing yet (and both Feige and teh Russo's have gone on record about that and they know better than you) until BvS was anounced (and Kevin Feige and Geoff Johns have been close enough for them to know and share there plans, again this is all on record from Feige/Johns and the Russos)
Captain America 3 would have been a completely different movie and story if it wasn't for BvS.
And that is what made me scratch my head because me too thought this was planned years ago, but back in 2015/2016 when news came about BvS and in reaction Marvel abandonning Captain America 3 for Civil War is what surpised me. This not an attack I'm just saying what they have been saying on record for years (even well after both movies were released and now again with teh release of the Snyder Cut) Feige and Johns both said neither wanted to copy each other simply because Marvel and DC are completely different entities but then Feige backtracked on that when BvS was (internally) announced right after teh release of Man of Steel in 2013 (and probably Disney forcing him) and WB forced Johns who then backstabbed and scratched Snyder's/Lee's plans for a pay day.


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Reply #117 posted 03/27/21 3:22am

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EmmaMcG said:

MickyDolenz said:

new trailer (click on poster)

This looks absolutely awful lol


Has James Gunn ever made a movie that was good? His movies are below passable imo.
This looks as awful like his Guardians of the Galaxy movies.
And Godzilla vs Kong, are people really anticipating that or even going to see that movie after that really bad Skull Island movie and that embarrasingly bad King of Mosters movie??

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Reply #118 posted 03/27/21 3:28am

JorisE73

uPtoWnNY said:

MickyDolenz said:

Well, people who are into Godzilla generally don't care about the humans or what they're doing. Just want to see monsters fight and smash buildings.

These Hollywood made Godzilla movies seem to take place at night or a cloudy day where you can't see anything. lol Also there were no singing twins for Mothra in King Of The Monsters. Shin Godzilla takes place in the daytime, but that was Japanese made.

Exactly. The only human G-Fans cared about was Dr. Serizawa from the 1954 original (still the best and most serious Godzilla film).

Godzilla vs. Kong next week and Mortal Kombat in April. thumbs up!


I really hope Mortal Kombat is good, but judging from the trailer with bad acting and the corny delivery of teh 'Get over here' line this is probably just as bad as the 'no-gore-Mortal Kombat-in-name-only' PG-13 version from the 90's but with a lot of gore and fatalities.
If they throw in some 'Babalities' and 'Friendships' in the movie then you know they already 'jumped the shark'/'nuked the fridge'.

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Reply #119 posted 03/27/21 6:53am

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JorisE73 said:



EmmaMcG said:


JorisE73 said:
Good joke. What I said is well known and not even a secret, the Russo brothers were always open about this. Even in 2016: https://screenrant.com/ca...-inspired/ https://www.businessinsid...nce-2016-4 https://www.indiewire.com...ce-292078/

They started writing the screenplay in 2013, the year Man of Steel came out and long before WB decided to fuck everything up by insisting on putting Batman in the sequel. You think they just made the movie within the timeframe of WB announcing BVS and Civil War releasing? Have you any idea how long it takes to make even a standalone movie of that size, let alone one that ties into so many other different movies and sets the stage for the Infinity Saga? I know the Russos are good but NOBODY is that good. Kevin Feige has said himself how long they've been planning on doing that movie. Pretty much since the original comic book came out in 2006/7. Long before The Russos were involved in the project. So explain to me again how Marvel adapting one of their own comic books from 2007 is inspired by a movie that came out nearly 10 years later. The bottom line is that WB have consistently fucked up their own movie universe by trying to play catch-up with Marvel and as much as I don't like to admit it, Marvel have been the clear "winners" in every conceivable way. Better box office returns, more critical acclaim, generating more hype amongst their fanbase and most importantly of all, far, far better movies. They have had a clear vision from the very beginning of where their stories are going and are now planning their next 10 years worth of movies. Compare that with Warner who seem to change their mind after each movie and have no clear idea what they're doing, despite their fans telling them over and over again what they want. They haven't a clue what they're doing and the quality of their movies shows that.


That;'s not he point I was trying to make.
The Civil War storyline as a movie plan wasn't even a thing yet (and both Feige and teh Russo's have gone on record about that and they know better than you) until BvS was anounced (and Kevin Feige and Geoff Johns have been close enough for them to know and share there plans, again this is all on record from Feige/Johns and the Russos)
Captain America 3 would have been a completely different movie and story if it wasn't for BvS.
And that is what made me scratch my head because me too thought this was planned years ago, but back in 2015/2016 when news came about BvS and in reaction Marvel abandonning Captain America 3 for Civil War is what surpised me. This not an attack I'm just saying what they have been saying on record for years (even well after both movies were released and now again with teh release of the Snyder Cut) Feige and Johns both said neither wanted to copy each other simply because Marvel and DC are completely different entities but then Feige backtracked on that when BvS was (internally) announced right after teh release of Man of Steel in 2013 (and probably Disney forcing him) and WB forced Johns who then backstabbed and scratched Snyder's/Lee's plans for a pay day.




I'm only going by what was said in one of the Making Of documentaries on Disney Plus. I really don't care enough to do any further research because I don't much care one way or the other. But even if it's as you say and they somehow conceived a way of making Civil War and tying it into the wider MCU so effortlessly in just over 2 years (which would mean I vastly underestimated how good they were) then that doesn't really counter my original point which was that Marvel Studios have done a much better job on planning out their entire movie universe than Warner has. Changing the story of one or two movies out of over 20 along the way doesn't change the fact that they had the core idea of where their cinematic universe was going from the very beginning. Zack Snyder knew where he wanted to go but WB wouldn't let him finish it and have completely ruined their own cinematic universe through indecision, bad movies and no coherent plan. WB have fucked things up so much that even I, a lifelong fan of Batman and Superman movies/animated shows, have lost all interest in anything they're doing.
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