MickyDolenz said:

EmmaMcG said:

I didn't watch the leaked version. In fact, I didn't even know it had leaked. I know someone who reviewed it and that's how I saw it early. I do have to laugh at that comment you made. "The DCEU is aimed at adults". Really? I don't think any big, blockbuster movies are made for adults. Typically, if a movie features men in tights with capes, it's not really made for adults. Unless it's Watchmen. Or a particularly weird porno

I don't know about the DCEU, but most of those old cartoon shorts like Bugs Bunny, Tom & Jerry, Betty Boop, etc. weren't really made for kids. They were originally shown before movies for adults at the theater. That's why many of them are banned today like ones with Nazis and Japanese or blackface. Or they have jokes that children are less likely to understnad. If they do happened to be released on DVD put a disclaimer on it or have Whoopi Goldberg film a segment talking about them. Today a lot of people think cartoon automatically means kids.

Wow!

"Perspective" is your middle name, right?

JorisE73 said:

Having an R rating doesn't mean it's aimed at adults. There's a whole bunch of childish crap with R ratings.

The way I see it, the MCU is aimed at everyone and the DCEU is aimed at "edgy" teen boys who think saying "fuck" is cool. That's not to completely disparage the DCEU though. I like 2 or 3 of the DCEU movies, with the Snyder Cut being one of them. My favourite superhero characters are both DC which means that I sometimes judge them more harshly.

Yeah, I knew that about Watchmen.

nayroo2002 said:

Wow! "Perspective" is your middle name, right?

MickyDolenz said:

I don't think cartoons are for kids. There's nothing I like better than to sit down and watch classic Tom & Jerry cartoons.

MickyDolenz said:

nayroo2002 said:

Wow! "Perspective" is your middle name, right?

EmmaMcG said:

JorisE73 said:

They were actively aiming for a R rating (like with BvS, WB just edited the scenes out to make the theatrical release PG 13) so obviously it was never aimed at kids. And you do know that the Watchmen novel was based on DC characters, right? Alan Moore just wasn't allowed to use them.

Having an R rating doesn't mean it's aimed at adults. There's a whole bunch of childish crap with R ratings. The way I see it, the MCU is aimed at everyone and the DCEU is aimed at "edgy" teen boys who think saying "fuck" is cool. That's not to completely disparage the DCEU though. I like 2 or 3 of the DCEU movies, with the Snyder Cut being one of them. My favourite superhero characters are both DC which means that I sometimes judge them more harshly. Yeah, I knew that about Watchmen.

Having an R rating means a bunch of kids can't go to a showing without a adult. Big difference from a PG rating.
MCU's saturday morning cartoon style is clearly aimed at kids and it's Disney.
DCEU may attract dumbass edgy kids but obviously it's not squarely aimed at them. I know more average adults that gravitate to and watch DCEU movies than adults that have watched MCU movies without rolling there eyes at the numerous corny and cheesy moments and just turn that shit off.

I to am more of a DC kind of fan an also judge them much harder than Marvel, but to me the MCU movies are just childish to plain bad with a very few exceptions. I'm still waiting for a MCU movie that can top X-Men 2 or the first 2 Blade movies and the second Spiderman movie for example, not to mention any Batman movie (except for 'Forever' and Batman and Robin' of course) which are still leagues beyond what the MCU is doing but it seems that is not there goal and bright colored and light chldrens fare to sell toys is what they're aiming at and why stray from that if it works, right?
But anyway I really hope for proper sequels to teh Snydercut but we'll probably never get them, so we're stuck with WB trying to copy the stale and boring MCU formula and continue to fail at that. At least Snyder had a grand plan that strayed away from the MCU formula from the begining but sadly WB wasn;'t having that and forced him into a team-up that was reserved for 5 movies later; he couldn't even finish his 'Man of Steel' trilogy and dumb WB forced him to put Batman into the second movie.

JorisE73 said:

Guess we'll agree to disagree regarding the MCU Vs DCEU debate. Though, for what it's worth, I agree that the Tim Burton Batman movies, the Bryan Singer X-Men movies and the first two Tobey Maguire Spider-Man movies are better than anything in the MCU. I'd also throw in the Richard Donner Superman movies into that list too. But I digress...

I liked the Snyder Cut. It was miles better than the cinematic version. I didn't love it but I sincerely hope that it does big business so that we get a sequel and perhaps Snyder can be coaxed back to direct his Man of Steel sequel too. And as long as I'm living in Dreamland, I'd like that solo Ben Affleck Batman movie as opposed to Twilight Batman. Given WB's track record, I won't hold my breath.

EmmaMcG said:

JorisE73 said:

Having an R rating means a bunch of kids can't go to a showing without a adult. Big difference from a PG rating.
MCU's saturday morning cartoon style is clearly aimed at kids and it's Disney.
DCEU may attract dumbass edgy kids but obviously it's not squarely aimed at them. I know more average adults that gravitate to and watch DCEU movies than adults that have watched MCU movies without rolling there eyes at the numerous corny and cheesy moments and just turn that shit off.

I to am more of a DC kind of fan an also judge them much harder than Marvel, but to me the MCU movies are just childish to plain bad with a very few exceptions. I'm still waiting for a MCU movie that can top X-Men 2 or the first 2 Blade movies and the second Spiderman movie for example, not to mention any Batman movie (except for 'Forever' and Batman and Robin' of course) which are still leagues beyond what the MCU is doing but it seems that is not there goal and bright colored and light chldrens fare to sell toys is what they're aiming at and why stray from that if it works, right?
But anyway I really hope for proper sequels to teh Snydercut but we'll probably never get them, so we're stuck with WB trying to copy the stale and boring MCU formula and continue to fail at that. At least Snyder had a grand plan that strayed away from the MCU formula from the begining but sadly WB wasn;'t having that and forced him into a team-up that was reserved for 5 movies later; he couldn't even finish his 'Man of Steel' trilogy and dumb WB forced him to put Batman into the second movie.

Guess we'll agree to disagree regarding the MCU Vs DCEU debate. Though, for what it's worth, I agree that the Tim Burton Batman movies, the Bryan Singer X-Men movies and the first two Tobey Maguire Spider-Man movies are better than anything in the MCU. I'd also throw in the Richard Donner Superman movies into that list too. But I digress... I liked the Snyder Cut. It was miles better than the cinematic version. I didn't love it but I sincerely hope that it does big business so that we get a sequel and perhaps Snyder can be coaxed back to direct his Man of Steel sequel too. And as long as I'm living in Dreamland, I'd like that solo Ben Affleck Batman movie as opposed to Twilight Batman. Given WB's track record, I won't hold my breath.

I honestly think he (and Christopher Nolan who prodcued the movies) had enough of WB after the whole ordeal and when WB decided without consultation that all the upcoming movies will be both in the theatres and on HBO Max simultaneiously, it seems a lot of A list directors and producers have left or are in the midst of leaving WB. (See what happened with the upcoming Dune)
Affleck's Batman movie would have been epic; apparently his plan was to do a movie with Deathstroke in the style of the Arkham Origins game which fits with Snyder's style.
Jar Jar Abrams is now producing a new Superman that I won't watch so maybe HBO Max can get Snyder and Affleck a (series) deal. Jar Jar has raped Star Trek and Star Wars so I really don;'t need to see him rape my favorite comic book characters.

[Edited 3/18/21 6:02am]

JorisE73 said:

LOL, Jar Jar Abrams. I like that one

To be honest, I don't think movies are the best format for a lot of superheroes. A TV show or mini-series would work much better. Depending on who's making it of course. A Ben Affleck Batman series could be great and being a TV format would allow the writers more time to explore different elements of the story. Even at 4 hours long I felt that the Snyder Cut needed more room to fully explore each character. Of course, that wouldn't have been such a big issue had they all had solo movies BEFORE the Justice League movie but still.

Personally, I'm hoping that Michael Keaton's return as Bruce Wayne in The Flash movie leads to him reprising his role in a live action Batman Beyond show set in the Burton-verse. They could even get Michelle Pfeiffer back as Selina Kyle to kind of pay off her appearing at the end of Batman Returns. Cast an unknown as the new Batman (my vote goes to Steve "The Hair" Harrington from Stranger Things) and you've got yourself the ingredients for a show that would wipe the floor with anything from the Arrowverse or the Disney+ MCU stuff.

EmmaMcG said:

JorisE73 said:

I honestly think he (and Christopher Nolan who prodcued the movies) had enough of WB after the whole ordeal and when WB decided without consultation that all the upcoming movies will be both in the theatres and on HBO Max simultaneiously, it seems a lot of A list directors and producers have left or are in the midst of leaving WB. (See what happened with the upcoming Dune)
Affleck's Batman movie would have been epic; apparently his plan was to do a movie with Deathstroke in the style of the Arkham Origins game which fits with Snyder's style.
Jar Jar Abrams is now producing a new Superman that I won't watch so maybe HBO Max can get Snyder and Affleck a (series) deal. Jar Jar has raped Star Trek and Star Wars so I really don;'t need to see him rape my favorite comic book characters.

[Edited 3/18/21 6:02am]

LOL, Jar Jar Abrams. I like that one To be honest, I don't think movies are the best format for a lot of superheroes. A TV show or mini-series would work much better. Depending on who's making it of course. A Ben Affleck Batman series could be great and being a TV format would allow the writers more time to explore different elements of the story. Even at 4 hours long I felt that the Snyder Cut needed more room to fully explore each character. Of course, that wouldn't have been such a big issue had they all had solo movies BEFORE the Justice League movie but still. Personally, I'm hoping that Michael Keaton's return as Bruce Wayne in The Flash movie leads to him reprising his role in a live action Batman Beyond show set in the Burton-verse. They could even get Michelle Pfeiffer back as Selina Kyle to kind of pay off her appearing at the end of Batman Returns. Cast an unknown as the new Batman (my vote goes to Steve "The Hair" Harrington from Stranger Things) and you've got yourself the ingredients for a show that would wipe the floor with anything from the Arrowverse or the Disney+ MCU stuff.

Seriously, Emma, dear.

Please submit your resumé to the WB home office.

You'll be a billionaire within 2 years

nayroo2002 said:

Lol. I'm just saying what I'd like to see, as a fan. Besides, I'm not that knowledgeable about comic book stuff. All I know are the movies and cartoon shows from the 90s.

A live action Batman Beyond show would be pretty cool though, wouldn't it? Just imagine what a futuristic version of Tim Burton's Gotham City would look like. I'm currently playing a game called Cyberpunk 2077 and the way the city looks is kind of what I picture future Gotham to look like. Blade Runner on crack kind of stuff.

JorisE73 said:

nayroo2002 said:

What???

How did you see it already

A 8GB HDRIP has been leaked since last sunday. I guess everybody has seen it by now.
I watched it 3 times now and will watch a proper 30+ GB rip tomorrow or the day after.
I am really impressed and to me it blows all MCU and especially the lacking Avengers movies (especially the horrible and plain boring last three of them) sky high out of the water. Some SFX look unfinished but understandable given the short tiume window they had to create them. MCU and X-men movies didn't have that excuse and those SFX look even worse IMO (SYFY channel/TV movie quality).
But then again apples and oranges. MCU is clearly aimed at kids/Disney lovers/action comedy movie types and it works great for them (I love the first Iron Man and Winter Soldier and really hoped all the other movies had that same quality) and DCEU is clearly more aimed at adults and that works for me. This one isn't as dark or morose like BvS tho.

I'm loving it(took a quick break to type this)

EmmaMcG said:

JorisE73 said:

I honestly think he (and Christopher Nolan who prodcued the movies) had enough of WB after the whole ordeal and when WB decided without consultation that all the upcoming movies will be both in the theatres and on HBO Max simultaneiously, it seems a lot of A list directors and producers have left or are in the midst of leaving WB. (See what happened with the upcoming Dune)
Affleck's Batman movie would have been epic; apparently his plan was to do a movie with Deathstroke in the style of the Arkham Origins game which fits with Snyder's style.
Jar Jar Abrams is now producing a new Superman that I won't watch so maybe HBO Max can get Snyder and Affleck a (series) deal. Jar Jar has raped Star Trek and Star Wars so I really don;'t need to see him rape my favorite comic book characters.

[Edited 3/18/21 6:02am]

LOL, Jar Jar Abrams. I like that one To be honest, I don't think movies are the best format for a lot of superheroes. A TV show or mini-series would work much better. Depending on who's making it of course. A Ben Affleck Batman series could be great and being a TV format would allow the writers more time to explore different elements of the story. Even at 4 hours long I felt that the Snyder Cut needed more room to fully explore each character. Of course, that wouldn't have been such a big issue had they all had solo movies BEFORE the Justice League movie but still. Personally, I'm hoping that Michael Keaton's return as Bruce Wayne in The Flash movie leads to him reprising his role in a live action Batman Beyond show set in the Burton-verse. They could even get Michelle Pfeiffer back as Selina Kyle to kind of pay off her appearing at the end of Batman Returns. Cast an unknown as the new Batman (my vote goes to Steve "The Hair" Harrington from Stranger Things) and you've got yourself the ingredients for a show that would wipe the floor with anything from the Arrowverse or the Disney+ MCU stuff.

A big budget serie like the MCU series on D+ like WandaVision (turned that garbage off 3 episoes in and won't watch that pretentious shitshow with 2 useless characters)
I think these are pretty high budget like the movies so a Batman Beyond in that quality would be awesome!

JoeyC said:

JorisE73 said:

A 8GB HDRIP has been leaked since last sunday. I guess everybody has seen it by now.
I watched it 3 times now and will watch a proper 30+ GB rip tomorrow or the day after.
I am really impressed and to me it blows all MCU and especially the lacking Avengers movies (especially the horrible and plain boring last three of them) sky high out of the water. Some SFX look unfinished but understandable given the short tiume window they had to create them. MCU and X-men movies didn't have that excuse and those SFX look even worse IMO (SYFY channel/TV movie quality).
But then again apples and oranges. MCU is clearly aimed at kids/Disney lovers/action comedy movie types and it works great for them (I love the first Iron Man and Winter Soldier and really hoped all the other movies had that same quality) and DCEU is clearly more aimed at adults and that works for me. This one isn't as dark or morose like BvS tho.

I'm loving it(took a quick break to type this)

JorisE73 said:

EmmaMcG said:

JorisE73 said: Guess we'll agree to disagree regarding the MCU Vs DCEU debate. Though, for what it's worth, I agree that the Tim Burton Batman movies, the Bryan Singer X-Men movies and the first two Tobey Maguire Spider-Man movies are better than anything in the MCU. I'd also throw in the Richard Donner Superman movies into that list too. But I digress... I liked the Snyder Cut. It was miles better than the cinematic version. I didn't love it but I sincerely hope that it does big business so that we get a sequel and perhaps Snyder can be coaxed back to direct his Man of Steel sequel too. And as long as I'm living in Dreamland, I'd like that solo Ben Affleck Batman movie as opposed to Twilight Batman. Given WB's track record, I won't hold my breath.

I honestly think he (and Christopher Nolan who prodcued the movies) had enough of WB after the whole ordeal and when WB decided without consultation that all the upcoming movies will be both in the theatres and on HBO Max simultaneiously, it seems a lot of A list directors and producers have left or are in the midst of leaving WB. (See what happened with the upcoming Dune)
Affleck's Batman movie would have been epic; apparently his plan was to do a movie with Deathstroke in the style of the Arkham Origins game which fits with Snyder's style.
Jar Jar Abrams is now producing a new Superman that I won't watch so maybe HBO Max can get Snyder and Affleck a (series) deal. Jar Jar has raped Star Trek and Star Wars so I really don;'t need to see him rape my favorite comic book characters.

[Edited 3/18/21 6:02am]

Man of Steel 2 & 3, plus an Affleck Batman film would have saved the DCEU (Affleck's Dark Knight is the closest to Frank Miller's version). I was a bigger fan of Marvel comics growing up (until DC made their characters more interesting with 1986's 'Crisis'), but I preferred the darkness of the brilliant Nolan trilogy, MoS & BvS(despite its flaws). With Abrams in charge, the DCEU is fucked......OVA.

uPtoWnNY said:

JorisE73 said:

I honestly think he (and Christopher Nolan who prodcued the movies) had enough of WB after the whole ordeal and when WB decided without consultation that all the upcoming movies will be both in the theatres and on HBO Max simultaneiously, it seems a lot of A list directors and producers have left or are in the midst of leaving WB. (See what happened with the upcoming Dune)
Affleck's Batman movie would have been epic; apparently his plan was to do a movie with Deathstroke in the style of the Arkham Origins game which fits with Snyder's style.
Jar Jar Abrams is now producing a new Superman that I won't watch so maybe HBO Max can get Snyder and Affleck a (series) deal. Jar Jar has raped Star Trek and Star Wars so I really don;'t need to see him rape my favorite comic book characters.

[Edited 3/18/21 6:02am]

Man of Steel 2 & 3, plus an Affleck Batman film would have saved the DCEU (Affleck's Dark Knight is the closest to Frank Miller's version). I was a bigger fan of Marvel comics growing up (until DC made their characters more interesting with 1986's 'Crisis'), but I preferred the darkness of the brilliant Nolan trilogy, MoS & BvS(despite its flaws). With Abrams in charge, the DCEU is fucked......OVA.

I think so to man. WB makes some dumb choices over the last decades it's hard to take them seriously.

So this is the new "Superman"? He's green.

So I watched Justice League again, this time with my daughter and husband. It felt longer the second time but then watching a 4 hour movie twice in one week will do that. Anyway, again, I'll avoid spoilers for the sake of people who haven't seen it yet.

My opinion is unchanged. All I'll say this time that I forgot to mention first time is that Jared Leto is now my second favourite Joker behind Jack Nicholson. And that's coming from someone who absolutely hated Suicide Squad.

My husband didn't like the movie at all. Which is fair enough, he doesn't really like any superhero movie so I expected as much. I'm just shocked he actually watched it all.

My daughter loved every second of it. That scene with Wonder Woman at the start especially. For those who have seen the original version, you'll know the scene I'm talking about. Here, it's extended and quite a bit more violent. And all the better for it. Kind of like a mini version of THAT Batman scene in Dawn of Justice. I'm sure comic book purists will moan the way they did when Batman was killing people but for me, it was great. And my daughter thought it was pretty bad ass.

I still think it's too long but given the fact that they had to fit in Cyborgs origin story on top of everything else it kind of is two movies in one. That could have been avoided if WB went the MCU route of giving everyone individual movies before the team-up movie but they didn't and this is probably as good as they could have done. Mind you, I still don't like Cyborg. The guy has the acting range of Steven Seagal. But as a movie, I liked it. I didn't love it but it got me looking forward to a sequel they'll likely never make so from that point of view, I'd call it a success. Plus, my daughter loved Black-Suit Superman. I think she has her first crush

I do find the 4hours to sit thru very difficult so there are scenes I missed. But I kinda liked this version and I think it's a good cheat because when know there's a lot more to this storyline. Hopefully they'll continue. There's a lot of dry acting going on I have to say I didn't notice in the 1st version. But Barry looks better not just a creepy geeky guy. In fact I'd say he's one of the better actors since he's also Credance in Fantastic Beast, and he gave quite a different performance. I'll have to give it another watch, the when is the problem.

onlyforaminute said:

I'm used to watching long movies so, for me, it's not that it was 4 hours that was the problem. It's how that time is used. They could have easily shaved about half an hour off the total running time without sacrificing anything. Just cut out the pointless slow motion. Also, if Cyborg had a solo movie before Justice League they wouldn't have had to show so much of his origin story, which I felt slowed the movie down. Although, that's not something that can be blamed so much on Zack Snyder. It's WB's fault for rushing into it. I actually think Snyder did a great job with what he had to work with.

Funny you should mention how The Flash's character benefits from this new director's cut. I felt the exact same. I found him incredibly annoying in the theatrical version. And completely useless. Here, he is portrayed as a hero and actually makes a difference in the final battle.

The only thing about the theatrical cut that I miss in the director's cut is the classic Batman and Superman themes. Whedon brought back elements of the Danny Elfman and John Williams scores which are far better than the ones used in the Snyder Cut.

EmmaMcG said:

For someone like me I'd say an entire movie on Cyborg guy would be an utter waste of time and money. His origin story was explained well enough in the theater version. It's time to move on. This is suffering from having so many differing origin stories on the same characters ie The Flash, Batman, the Joker, basically within the same time frame, There needs to be a focus on continuity especially with actors coming and going in this verse to maintain interest with a diverse, meaning having varying ranging knowledge of the superheroes, audience. For me I have to remember to rearrange my thinking that this stuff is taking place on what I would call earth 2.0 as opposed to the one I live on. That's enough to then have to keep backtracking on who is from where every few years all in an exercise of which director can tell a better story.

onlyforaminute said:

There was nothing explained well in the theatrical cut

EmmaMcG said:

Well enough. A Star kid gets in accident, will die or be so debilitated until he might as well be dead. Dad a scientist has in his possession a magical (science beyond human understanding) box . Dad uses said "magic" to rebuild son but to unknown consequences that turned him into a Cyborg. Yeah no need for a whole 2, 3 hours and several million dollars to flesh that out further. We get it. Now he's tied to this unknown power that rules the universe or some such thing if they care to continue with that part of the storyline. No more back tracking. Fingers crossed.

onlyforaminute said:

EmmaMcG said:

There was nothing explained well in the theatrical cut

Well enough. A Star kid gets in accident, will die or be so debilitated until he might as well be dead. Dad a scientist has in his possession a magical (science beyond human understanding) box . Dad uses said "magic" to rebuild son but to unknown consequences that turned him into a Cyborg. Yeah no need for a whole 2, 3 hours and several million dollars to flesh that out further. We get it. Now he's tied to this unknown power that rules the universe or some such thing if they care to continue with that part of the storyline. No more back tracking. Fingers crossed.

It was all explained in the Doom Patrol series, eh?

or, does that not count?

nayroo2002 said:

Oh I don't know about that. But if it's been explained elsewhere too then that's double the reason not to have a whole origin story movie.

onlyforaminute said:

nayroo2002 said:

It was all explained in the Doom Patrol series, eh?

or, does that not count?

Oh I don't know about that. But if it's been explained elsewhere too then that's double the reason not to have a whole origin story movie.

my sentiments, as well.

*starting JL-SC.........................................................now!

nayroo2002 said:

No. That doesn't count.

onlyforaminute said:

Well if that's all you took from the Snyder Cut version of the character then there's nothing I can really say to that

EmmaMcG said:

I've already said i missd some of the synder cut. I doubt i missed enough to warrant a whole origin story movie though. Ready to move forward. On to the apocalypse.

onlyforaminute said:

EmmaMcG said:

Well if that's all you took from the Snyder Cut version of the character then there's nothing I can really say to that

I've already said i missd some of the synder cut. I doubt i missed enough to warrant a whole origin story movie though. Ready to move forward. On to the apocalypse.

just watch the movie before you comment any further