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Reply #30 posted 03/03/21 4:12pm

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JoeyC said:


I got mixed feelings about this. On one hand i agree with what you said. But on the other hand i would be curious to see how a black Superman story played out. Me personally though, as a black man, i must say that i give few damn's about the diversity/woke aspect of having a black Superman. That really means nothing to me. I'm a old school(early 70's) superhero fan and sort of a traditionalist when it comes to character image etc. So much so that when i first saw how the new Aquaman looked, i was like WTF? Aquaman don't look like that ! And what about his outfit?? Why isn't it orange and green..! However, i eventually checked out the new Aquaman and enjoyed and respected what they did with the character. thumbs up!


I'm more than willing to give black Superman a chance. There's a lot of people out there who probably won't though. I think it would be better, and very, very interesting to see someone expand on the Superman/world of krypton story. There's Supergirl, so why not have a black character with similar powers as Superman, who also made it out of krypton? Y'all think that could work? hmmm




As I understand it, a black Kryptonian already exists within DC's comics universe. Val-Zod is his name and he's a separate Superman. Now, I actually think introducing that character into Man of Steel 2 along with Henry Cavill's Superman would be the best way to go about it. Clark Kent could teach him how to control his powers and stuff and then, after that, give him his own spin off movie. That's a movie I'd be interested in. If they just say that Clark Kent is black though and do it that way then I'm not interested. Now, I can't speak for black people. I'm a white girl from Ireland. But I will say that when Prickface was announced as the director of an all-female Ghostbusters movie that really annoyed me. And then he goes around talking about how it's going to be a great, feminist movie. As a woman, it was downright insulting to be pandered to like that. Nobody wanted an all-female Ghostbusters movie. And certainly not one directed by him or starring "actresses" like that. And when the movie flopped they tried to play it off like it was some sort of misogynist thing. When, in actual fact the movie was just crap because when they should have been thinking about writing a good movie, they were only thinking about it being an all-female Ghostbusters movie so they could pat themselves on the back for making a gender-swapped remake. And I'd be afraid that a black Superman movie would turn out the same way. Warner Bros are constantly trying to rush into things and have their own Avengers-style box office success but if they'd just stop and think about why the MCU has been so successful they'd see that it was built up from years of groundwork being laid by different movies that introduced us, non-comic book readers, to these characters. I cared about The Avengers because I had gotten to know Captain America, Iron Man etc in their solo movies. I didn't care at all about Cyborg or The Flash in Justice League because I don't know them, or at least, this version of them. [Edited 3/3/21 13:02pm]

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Reply #31 posted 03/04/21 7:20am

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Snyder was only good with Dawn of the Dead.

All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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Reply #32 posted 03/05/21 12:18am

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Snyder was only good with Dawn of the Dead.


Thank you for your as usual irrelevant input.

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Reply #33 posted 03/05/21 12:47pm

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lol

All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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Reply #34 posted 03/06/21 2:29pm

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But I will say that when Prickface was announced as the director of an all-female Ghostbusters movie that really annoyed me. And then he goes around talking about how it's going to be a great, feminist movie. As a woman, it was downright insulting to be pandered to like that. Nobody wanted an all-female Ghostbusters movie. And certainly not one directed by him or starring "actresses" like that. And when the movie flopped they tried to play it off like it was some sort of misogynist thing. When, in actual fact the movie was just crap because when they should have been thinking about writing a good movie, they were only thinking about it being an all-female Ghostbusters movie so they could pat themselves on the back for making a gender-swapped remake.

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Reply #35 posted 03/06/21 2:39pm

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J.J Abrams ruined Star Trek and now will fuck up Superman as well.


THIS!!! His Star Wars was pretty bad too.

Also, Coates' Black Panther & Captain America comics are unreadable trash.

I'll stick with Superman & Lois. Not only is it already the best DC show CW has done so far, it's also the best Superman on screen since the animated series from the 90s.

If you believed that the possibility of a lab leak was a debunked conspiracy theory, you're getting your news from the wrong source. Just sayin'...
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Reply #36 posted 03/06/21 3:16pm

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kpowers said:


J.J Abrams ruined Star Trek and now will fuck up Superman as well.


THIS!!! His Star Wars was pretty bad too.

Also, Coates' Black Panther & Captain America comics are unreadable trash.

I'll stick with Superman & Lois. Not only is it already the best DC show CW has done so far, it's also the best Superman on screen since the animated series from the 90s.



If a Superman TV show doesn't have Dean Cain in it, it's not worth watching.
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Reply #37 posted 03/06/21 7:32pm

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EmmaMcG said:

djThunderfunk said:


THIS!!! His Star Wars was pretty bad too.

Also, Coates' Black Panther & Captain America comics are unreadable trash.

I'll stick with Superman & Lois. Not only is it already the best DC show CW has done so far, it's also the best Superman on screen since the animated series from the 90s.

If a Superman TV show doesn't have Dean Cain in it, it's not worth watching.


I agreed. Until 2 weeks ago. I dare you to watch the first two episodes of Superman & Lois and not like it. wink

And I don't much care for the "Arrowverse" or anything on the CW(ConstantlyWoke).

If you believed that the possibility of a lab leak was a debunked conspiracy theory, you're getting your news from the wrong source. Just sayin'...
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Reply #38 posted 03/06/21 9:41pm

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Black Superman, Chinese Superman, or even Mexican Superman. It would work period. JJ Abrams movies are okay but not great. Wasn't a huge fan of his star wars. Star Trek was okay, but not earth shattering.

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Reply #39 posted 03/07/21 4:10pm

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EmmaMcG said:

As I understand it, a black Kryptonian already exists within DC's comics universe. Val-Zod is his name and he's a separate Superman.

Calvin Ellis & Val-Zod are 2 different black Supermen. There's also Steel, but he's just a regular human.

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Reply #40 posted 03/08/21 12:11am

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EmmaMcG said:


As I understand it, a black Kryptonian already exists within DC's comics universe. Val-Zod is his name and he's a separate Superman.

Calvin Ellis & Val-Zod are 2 different black Supermen. There's also Steel, but he's just a regular human.



Remember that awful Steel movie from the 90s? I watched (and enjoyed) a lot of crap when I was a kid but even as a child I thought that movie was dreadful. He was no Meteor Man, I'll tell you that.
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Reply #41 posted 03/13/21 2:07pm

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Reply #42 posted 03/13/21 4:49pm

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J.J Abrams is rebooting Superman for Warner Bros, seemingly putting an end to any hopes that we'd get a sequel to Man of Steel. Word around the campfire suggests that not only are they recasting the lead role but they're looking to cast a black actor as Superman. I'm all for more black (and female, for that matter) superhero movies but fuck me, this just sounds like an awful idea. It kind of reminds me of the time some idiot at a movie studio thought it would be a good idea to make an all-female Ghostbusters movie. And we seen how that turned out. Now, this "black Superman" movie probably won't be as bad as that, and may even turn out to be a good movie, but it won't be Superman. Not to me. Rather than making traditionally white heroes black would it not be better to make movies of already black heroes? Just a thought.

I would rather have a Spawn reboot myself

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Reply #43 posted 03/15/21 3:28am

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EmmaMcG said:

J.J Abrams is rebooting Superman for Warner Bros, seemingly putting an end to any hopes that we'd get a sequel to Man of Steel. Word around the campfire suggests that not only are they recasting the lead role but they're looking to cast a black actor as Superman. I'm all for more black (and female, for that matter) superhero movies but fuck me, this just sounds like an awful idea. It kind of reminds me of the time some idiot at a movie studio thought it would be a good idea to make an all-female Ghostbusters movie. And we seen how that turned out. Now, this "black Superman" movie probably won't be as bad as that, and may even turn out to be a good movie, but it won't be Superman. Not to me. Rather than making traditionally white heroes black would it not be better to make movies of already black heroes? Just a thought.

I would rather have a Spawn reboot myself


I'm really hoping for a great Spawn movie (I did kind of like the 90's one) but I think that one is in development hell after the several McFarlane scripts and ideas were said to be horrible and he wanted to direct it himself. They even had Jamie Foxx and Jeremy Renner attached to it but I don't know if that is still th case.

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Reply #44 posted 03/15/21 4:48am

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Superman just isn't an interesting story at all in these times. There's nothing particularly fun about a guy who has no real problems and can easily smash any world threat. All the green rock macguffins in the multiverse can't save the Superman story as it relates to movies. There's a reason old Superman stuff was more popular. It's a decidedly white privilege story. Pass.
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Reply #45 posted 03/15/21 6:00am

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LoveGalore said:

Superman just isn't an interesting story at all in these times. There's nothing particularly fun about a guy who has no real problems and can easily smash any world threat. All the green rock macguffins in the multiverse can't save the Superman story as it relates to movies. There's a reason old Superman stuff was more popular. It's a decidedly white privilege story. Pass.


A story about an immigrant is a "white privilege" story? Wow.

In one short paragraph you show just how little you know about the character's history, both in terms of his creation and also previous Superman stories. Before crying "white privilege" perhaps you should actually read up on the character and educate yourself a little bit?
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Reply #46 posted 03/15/21 6:58am

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The Superman(Henry Cavill) character storyline just needs to add (John Henry-)Steele character

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Reply #47 posted 03/15/21 12:02pm

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Superman just isn't an interesting story at all in these times. There's nothing particularly fun about a guy who has no real problems and can easily smash any world threat. All the green rock macguffins in the multiverse can't save the Superman story as it relates to movies. There's a reason old Superman stuff was more popular. It's a decidedly white privilege story. Pass.

Growing up, I always found Superman boring compared to heroes like Batman, Spider-man the Punisher & Wolverine. But my interest was renewed when DC rebooted him after 1986's Crisis on Infinite Earths with John Byrne's 'Man of Steel' limited series. Byrne toned down the crazy things he was able to do in earlier versions.

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Reply #48 posted 03/15/21 12:15pm

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Henry Cavill OWNS the role of classic Superman right now.

For another actor to take the role, and succeed, it really would HAVE to be an alternate universe deal.

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Reply #49 posted 03/15/21 12:57pm

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Henry Cavill OWNS the role of classic Superman right now

I haven't seen his Superman movies other than Justice League. But his first movie came out in 2013 and WB hasen't done a straight sequel, when Wonder Woman, who came after him, already has 2 movies. There's a Suicide Squad sequel already filmed, and sequels to Aquaman & Shazam! are in pre-production. Plus Black Adam, which is kinda connected to Shazam!.

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Reply #50 posted 03/15/21 3:06pm

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Henry Cavill OWNS the role of classic Superman right now.

For another actor to take the role, and succeed, it really would HAVE to be an alternate universe deal.

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MoS is my favorite Supes film....love the battle scenes.

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Reply #51 posted 03/15/21 4:18pm

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uPtoWnNY said:



PurpleJedi said:


Henry Cavill OWNS the role of classic Superman right now.

For another actor to take the role, and succeed, it really would HAVE to be an alternate universe deal.




nod



MoS is my favorite Supes film....love the battle scenes.



I think you're going to like The Snyder Cut. I seen it earlier today and I wasn't a huge fan. It's alright. Just far too long. There's actually no need for it to be so long and were it not for several unnecessary slow-motion moments it would be an hour and a half LOL. I'm exaggerating, of course. But it's a much more coherent version of the movie than that pile of shite that was released in cinemas and if you like big, shitty effects-laden battle scenes, then you'll love it. I'm still kind of on the fence about it so I'll watch it again when it releases this weekend but for now, my opinion is that it was ok. One of the better DCEU movies. Which feels like a backhanded compliment but I mean it in a good way.
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Reply #52 posted 03/15/21 4:24pm

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EmmaMcG said:

uPtoWnNY said:

nod

MoS is my favorite Supes film....love the battle scenes.

I think you're going to like The Snyder Cut. I seen it earlier today and I wasn't a huge fan. It's alright. Just far too long. There's actually no need for it to be so long and were it not for several unnecessary slow-motion moments it would be an hour and a half LOL. I'm exaggerating, of course. But it's a much more coherent version of the movie than that pile of shite that was released in cinemas and if you like big, shitty effects-laden battle scenes, then you'll love it. I'm still kind of on the fence about it so I'll watch it again when it releases this weekend but for now, my opinion is that it was ok. One of the better DCEU movies. Which feels like a backhanded compliment but I mean it in a good way.

What???

How did you see it already eek

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Reply #53 posted 03/17/21 12:46am

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EmmaMcG said:

uPtoWnNY said:

nod

MoS is my favorite Supes film....love the battle scenes.

I think you're going to like The Snyder Cut. I seen it earlier today and I wasn't a huge fan. It's alright. Just far too long. There's actually no need for it to be so long and were it not for several unnecessary slow-motion moments it would be an hour and a half LOL. I'm exaggerating, of course. But it's a much more coherent version of the movie than that pile of shite that was released in cinemas and if you like big, shitty effects-laden battle scenes, then you'll love it. I'm still kind of on the fence about it so I'll watch it again when it releases this weekend but for now, my opinion is that it was ok. One of the better DCEU movies. Which feels like a backhanded compliment but I mean it in a good way.

The feedback by early viewers Of the Snyder Cut has been great to good.

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Reply #54 posted 03/17/21 2:20am

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kewlschool said:



EmmaMcG said:


uPtoWnNY said:



nod



MoS is my favorite Supes film....love the battle scenes.



I think you're going to like The Snyder Cut. I seen it earlier today and I wasn't a huge fan. It's alright. Just far too long. There's actually no need for it to be so long and were it not for several unnecessary slow-motion moments it would be an hour and a half LOL. I'm exaggerating, of course. But it's a much more coherent version of the movie than that pile of shite that was released in cinemas and if you like big, shitty effects-laden battle scenes, then you'll love it. I'm still kind of on the fence about it so I'll watch it again when it releases this weekend but for now, my opinion is that it was ok. One of the better DCEU movies. Which feels like a backhanded compliment but I mean it in a good way.

The feedback by early viewers Of the Snyder Cut has been great to good.



I can't speak for anyone else but I thought it was ok. Some awful CGI but I've come to expect that now from the DCEU movies so it doesn't bother me too much. I have two main issues with it though. Number 1: It's far too long. Number 2: There's far too much Cyborg. Without going into spoiler territory, he's one of the most important characters here. The problem with that is that his character is of little interest to me. If he had a solo movie before appearing in Justice League, they could have given him a proper introduction and allowed the non-comic book readers a chance to get to know him and develop an attachment so that we'd actually care about him. Ultimately, he's a victim of WB's insistence on rushing into a team-up movie and not actually acknowledging what makes The Avengers movies so successful.

With that said, overall, I thought it was ok. I'll watch it again this weekend with my daughter and see what she thinks. In general, she likes these kinds of movies more than I do.
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Reply #55 posted 03/17/21 9:29am

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EmmaMcG said:

uPtoWnNY said: I think you're going to like The Snyder Cut. I seen it earlier today and I wasn't a huge fan. It's alright. Just far too long. There's actually no need for it to be so long and were it not for several unnecessary slow-motion moments it would be an hour and a half LOL. I'm exaggerating, of course. But it's a much more coherent version of the movie than that pile of shite that was released in cinemas and if you like big, shitty effects-laden battle scenes, then you'll love it. I'm still kind of on the fence about it so I'll watch it again when it releases this weekend but for now, my opinion is that it was ok. One of the better DCEU movies. Which feels like a backhanded compliment but I mean it in a good way.

What???

How did you see it already eek


A 8GB HDRIP has been leaked since last sunday. I guess everybody has seen it by now.
I watched it 3 times now and will watch a proper 30+ GB rip tomorrow or the day after.
I am really impressed and to me it blows all MCU and especially the lacking Avengers movies (especially the horrible and plain boring last three of them) sky high out of the water. Some SFX look unfinished but understandable given the short tiume window they had to create them. MCU and X-men movies didn't have that excuse and those SFX look even worse IMO (SYFY channel/TV movie quality).
But then again apples and oranges. MCU is clearly aimed at kids/Disney lovers/action comedy movie types and it works great for them (I love the first Iron Man and Winter Soldier and really hoped all the other movies had that same quality) and DCEU is clearly more aimed at adults and that works for me. This one isn't as dark or morose like BvS tho.

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Reply #56 posted 03/17/21 9:40am

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I want dark and morose.

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Reply #57 posted 03/17/21 9:41am

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JorisE73 said:



nayroo2002 said:




EmmaMcG said:


uPtoWnNY said: I think you're going to like The Snyder Cut. I seen it earlier today and I wasn't a huge fan. It's alright. Just far too long. There's actually no need for it to be so long and were it not for several unnecessary slow-motion moments it would be an hour and a half LOL. I'm exaggerating, of course. But it's a much more coherent version of the movie than that pile of shite that was released in cinemas and if you like big, shitty effects-laden battle scenes, then you'll love it. I'm still kind of on the fence about it so I'll watch it again when it releases this weekend but for now, my opinion is that it was ok. One of the better DCEU movies. Which feels like a backhanded compliment but I mean it in a good way.

What???


How did you see it already eek




A 8GB HDRIP has been leaked since last sunday. I guess everybody has seen it by now.
I watched it 3 times now and will watch a proper 30+ GB rip tomorrow or the day after.
I am really impressed and to me it blows all MCU and especially the lacking Avengers movies (especially the horrible and plain boring last three of them) sky high out of the water. Some SFX look unfinished but understandable given the short tiume window they had to create them. MCU and X-men movies didn't have that excuse and those SFX look even worse IMO (SYFY channel/TV movie quality).
But then again apples and oranges. MCU is clearly aimed at kids/Disney lovers/action comedy movie types and it works great for them (I love the first Iron Man and Winter Soldier and really hoped all the other movies had that same quality) and DCEU is clearly more aimed at adults and that works for me. This one isn't as dark or morose like BvS tho.



I didn't watch the leaked version. In fact, I didn't even know it had leaked. I know someone who reviewed it and that's how I saw it early.

I do have to laugh at that comment you made. "The DCEU is aimed at adults". Really? I don't think any big, blockbuster movies are made for adults. Typically, if a movie features men in tights with capes, it's not really made for adults. Unless it's Watchmen. Or a particularly weird porno lol
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Reply #58 posted 03/17/21 10:39am

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EmmaMcG said:

JorisE73 said:



nayroo2002 said:




EmmaMcG said:


uPtoWnNY said: I think you're going to like The Snyder Cut. I seen it earlier today and I wasn't a huge fan. It's alright. Just far too long. There's actually no need for it to be so long and were it not for several unnecessary slow-motion moments it would be an hour and a half LOL. I'm exaggerating, of course. But it's a much more coherent version of the movie than that pile of shite that was released in cinemas and if you like big, shitty effects-laden battle scenes, then you'll love it. I'm still kind of on the fence about it so I'll watch it again when it releases this weekend but for now, my opinion is that it was ok. One of the better DCEU movies. Which feels like a backhanded compliment but I mean it in a good way.

What???


How did you see it already eek




A 8GB HDRIP has been leaked since last sunday. I guess everybody has seen it by now.
I watched it 3 times now and will watch a proper 30+ GB rip tomorrow or the day after.
I am really impressed and to me it blows all MCU and especially the lacking Avengers movies (especially the horrible and plain boring last three of them) sky high out of the water. Some SFX look unfinished but understandable given the short tiume window they had to create them. MCU and X-men movies didn't have that excuse and those SFX look even worse IMO (SYFY channel/TV movie quality).
But then again apples and oranges. MCU is clearly aimed at kids/Disney lovers/action comedy movie types and it works great for them (I love the first Iron Man and Winter Soldier and really hoped all the other movies had that same quality) and DCEU is clearly more aimed at adults and that works for me. This one isn't as dark or morose like BvS tho.



I didn't watch the leaked version. In fact, I didn't even know it had leaked. I know someone who reviewed it and that's how I saw it early.

I do have to laugh at that comment you made. "The DCEU is aimed at adults". Really? I don't think any big, blockbuster movies are made for adults. Typically, if a movie features men in tights with capes, it's not really made for adults. Unless it's Watchmen. Or a particularly weird porno lol


They were actively aiming for a R rating (like with BvS, WB just edited the scenes out to make the theatrical release PG 13) so obviously it was never aimed at kids. And you do know that the Watchmen novel was based on DC characters, right? Alan Moore just wasn't allowed to use them.
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Reply #59 posted 03/17/21 11:27am

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EmmaMcG said:

I didn't watch the leaked version. In fact, I didn't even know it had leaked. I know someone who reviewed it and that's how I saw it early. I do have to laugh at that comment you made. "The DCEU is aimed at adults". Really? I don't think any big, blockbuster movies are made for adults. Typically, if a movie features men in tights with capes, it's not really made for adults. Unless it's Watchmen. Or a particularly weird porno lol

I don't know about the DCEU, but most of those old cartoon shorts like Bugs Bunny, Tom & Jerry, Betty Boop, etc. weren't really made for kids. They were originally shown before movies for adults at the theater. That's why many of them are banned today like ones with Nazis and Japanese or blackface. Or they have jokes that children are less likely to understnad. If they do happened to be released on DVD put a disclaimer on it or have Whoopi Goldberg film a segment talking about them. Today a lot of people think cartoon automatically means kids.

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