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J.J. Abrams New Superman Movie

J.J Abrams is rebooting Superman for Warner Bros, seemingly putting an end to any hopes that we'd get a sequel to Man of Steel. Word around the campfire suggests that not only are they recasting the lead role but they're looking to cast a black actor as Superman.

I'm all for more black (and female, for that matter) superhero movies but fuck me, this just sounds like an awful idea. It kind of reminds me of the time some idiot at a movie studio thought it would be a good idea to make an all-female Ghostbusters movie. And we seen how that turned out. Now, this "black Superman" movie probably won't be as bad as that, and may even turn out to be a good movie, but it won't be Superman. Not to me.

Rather than making traditionally white heroes black would it not be better to make movies of already black heroes? Just a thought.
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Reply #1 posted 02/26/21 12:19pm

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I'll just watch. I keeping hearing about Idris, or is that for Batman? Black Panthers off the table but that's Marvel so nevermind. Who does DC have that could rivel the numbers BP did?
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'Into the Spider-Verse' was a great example of how it could work for any other established "human" super hero.

Superman is an alien and could look like anyone/anything.

The possibilities are actually endless.

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nayroo2002 said:

'Into the Spider-Verse' was a great example of how it could work for any other established "human" super hero.


Superman is an alien and could look like anyone/anything.


The possibilities are actually endless.



It's not really the same thing though. Miles Morales is an established part of the Marvel Universe. Plus, we've already had two highly successful, critically and commercially, versions of the Peter Parker Spider-Man in the last 20 years (Maguire & Holland) so introducing Miles Morales to movie audiences or, hopefully, putting him into the MCU would be a welcome addition that would help keep things fresh. There hasn't really been a universally loved Superman since Christopher Reeve. How about Warner Bros focus on making a great "classic" Superman movie before shaking things up just for the sake of it?

Now, it's possible that this new version won't be Clark Kent and will instead be a different character in an alternate universe (comic books sure are stupid) but even then, why put time and money into this when there are online campaigns for a Man of Steel sequel with Henry Cavill? People are telling WB what they want and yet WB decide to go this route? It doesn't make sense. But then, this is the same company who fired Richard Donner from Superman 2. Fired Tim Burton from Batman 3 because they were worried his version was too dark and replaced him with Joel Schumacher, who seemingly did his best to kill the franchise. Then, just when it seemed like they were actually coming up with a long-term plan, they fire Zack Snyder and get involved in the production of both Justice League and Suicide Squad, completely ruining both movies. In other words, they have a long and storied history of making a complete mess of their biggest properties and "Black Superman" will more than likely be another casualty.

And the worst part of "Black Superman" failing at the box office would be that it might turn them off from making movies of actual black superheroes like Static Shock or Green Lantern. If they want black superhero movies (and I really do!) then maybe start with heroes who are actually black?
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onlyforaminute said:

I'll just watch. I keeping hearing about Idris, or is that for Batman? Black Panthers off the table but that's Marvel so nevermind. Who does DC have that could rivel the numbers BP did?


Green Lantern would probably be their most famous but Black Panther wasn't particularly well known prior to his appearance in the MCU anyway so you don't necessarily need a well known hero to have a successful movie. I'd personally like a Static Shock movie. Batwing could be a decent choice if they introduce him in a Batman movie before giving him his own solo movie, similar to how Black Panther first appeared in Civil War.
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Isn't there first a "Snyder Cut" of Justice League coming out?

Or was that all just hoopla?

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Maybe the movie will be about Calvin Ellis or someone from Vathlo Island instead of Clark Kent. Or John Henry Irons but without Shaq this time. razz

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nayroo2002 said:

Isn't there first a "Snyder Cut" of Justice League coming out?

I'm not sure how many people want to sit through a 4 hour long movie though and you have to be subcribed to HBO Max to watch it.

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MickyDolenz said:

nayroo2002 said:

Isn't there first a "Snyder Cut" of Justice League coming out?

I'm not sure how many people want to sit through a 4 hour long movie though and you have to be subcribed to HBO Max to watch it.

There hasn't been any other film that anyone cannot get somewhere from the interwebs.

Plus, if you like any other serieses's, you can just cut it into 8 parts and binge it over the weekend.

Can you smell that?

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There hasn't been any other film that anyone cannot get somewhere from the interwebs.

I don't think the Isley Brothers' 1970 concert movie It's Your Thing is anywhere online. It's never been on home video either, not even VHS.

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nayroo2002 said:

Isn't there first a "Snyder Cut" of Justice League coming out?


Or was that all just hoopla?



Yeah it's out next month but before Snyder fans could get too excited one of the Warner bigwigs said that it's a "creative dead end" or words to that effect. In other words, even if the movie ends on a cliffhanger, don't expect to see a Justice League part 2, which was Snyder's original intention. The only reason they're allowing Snyder to finish his version of the original movie is because every time a new DC movie comes out Warner get bombarded with petitions to release the Snyder cut, which often gets more press than the movie they're trying to promote. Releasing the Snyder cut now will hopefully turn public opinion around and make us forget about how ineptly they've been running things for the last few years. Plus, Zack Snyder isn't getting paid a penny for his work on the final cut so it's also a relatively cheap PR win for WB.
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EmmaMcG said:

nayroo2002 said:

Isn't there first a "Snyder Cut" of Justice League coming out?

Or was that all just hoopla?

Yeah it's out next month but before Snyder fans could get too excited one of the Warner bigwigs said that it's a "creative dead end" or words to that effect. In other words, even if the movie ends on a cliffhanger, don't expect to see a Justice League part 2, which was Snyder's original intention. The only reason they're allowing Snyder to finish his version of the original movie is because every time a new DC movie comes out Warner get bombarded with petitions to release the Snyder cut, which often gets more press than the movie they're trying to promote. Releasing the Snyder cut now will hopefully turn public opinion around and make us forget about how ineptly they've been running things for the last few years. Plus, Zack Snyder isn't getting paid a penny for his work on the final cut so it's also a relatively cheap PR win for WB.

Then, it's only for his fans.

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nayroo2002 said:

Then, it's only for his fans.

I think the plot is basically the same on both versions, but WB was probably trying to get the success of the MCU, and so changed the tone from the dark style they were doing. Since the previous entries did not do as well as WB was expecting.

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EmmaMcG said:

onlyforaminute said:

I'll just watch. I keeping hearing about Idris, or is that for Batman? Black Panthers off the table but that's Marvel so nevermind. Who does DC have that could rivel the numbers BP did?


Green Lantern would probably be their most famous but Black Panther wasn't particularly well known prior to his appearance in the MCU anyway so you don't necessarily need a well known hero to have a successful movie. I'd personally like a Static Shock movie. Batwing could be a decent choice if they introduce him in a Batman movie before giving him his own solo movie, similar to how Black Panther first appeared in Civil War.

I don't know the backstory to the super hero universe. But I do see that Marvel has a massive head start over DC in the movie/tv department. I'm assuming BP was a flexible story with a lot of positives like being a prince to be king. Take in consideration what is happening in the states I don't know a DC equivalent that would have an impact. Momoa seemed to work for Aquaman despite the complaints. Granted Superman is a staple and a hard one to morph but if Abrams is up for that monumental challenge I'll admit I gotta see it.

....

I just read Michael B. Jordan is in the running. Well. He was hot af in silhouette in BP but that's all I've ever had for him. Explains some gossip items. If it happens I'm getting to the theaters early getting my popcorn large diet and enjoy the heck outta that catastrophe
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onlyforaminute said:

EmmaMcG said:



Green Lantern would probably be their most famous but Black Panther wasn't particularly well known prior to his appearance in the MCU anyway so you don't necessarily need a well known hero to have a successful movie. I'd personally like a Static Shock movie. Batwing could be a decent choice if they introduce him in a Batman movie before giving him his own solo movie, similar to how Black Panther first appeared in Civil War.

I don't know the backstory to the super hero universe. But I do see that Marvel has a massive head start over DC in the movie/tv department. I'm assuming BP was a flexible story with a lot of positives like being a prince to be king. Take in consideration what is happening in the states I don't know a DC equivalent that would have an impact. Momoa seemed to work for Aquaman despite the complaints. Granted Superman is a staple and a hard one to morph but if Abrams is up for that monumental challenge I'll admit I gotta see it.

....

I just read Michael B. Jordan is in the running. Well. He was hot af in silhouette in BP but that's all I've ever had for him. Explains some gossip items. If it happens I'm getting to the theaters early getting my popcorn large diet and enjoy the heck outta that catastrophe
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There's a character called Val Zod or something along those lines. He's a black Kryptonian and as far as I'm aware, he becomes Superman in an alternate universe. I'm not sure on the exact details because comic books really aren't my thing. But a movie about him could work provided it's not done with the intention of replacing the real Superman, ie Kal-El. A movie featuring both characters would probably be a best case scenario. Then give Val Zod his own solo spin off once audiences have already been introduced to him. That way you build up to it the right way without risking turning viewers off before they even see the movie. Because if they introduce Michael B Jordan or any other black actor as Clark Kent, AKA Kal-El, then they risk getting the kind of response the female Ghostbusters movie got when it was rightly predicted before release that it was going to be crap. Changing a character's race or gender for no other reason than to fill a quota is a dead giveaway that they've run out of ideas and is frankly insulting.

Superman is my favourite superhero but I'd have as much interest in a black Superman movie as I'd have in a white Blade or a male Catwoman. Which is to say that I'd have no interest at all.
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Reply #15 posted 02/27/21 2:52pm

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J.J Abrams is rebooting Superman for Warner Bros, seemingly putting an end to any hopes that we'd get a sequel to Man of Steel. Word around the campfire suggests that not only are they recasting the lead role but they're looking to cast a black actor as Superman. I'm all for more black (and female, for that matter) superhero movies but fuck me, this just sounds like an awful idea. It kind of reminds me of the time some idiot at a movie studio thought it would be a good idea to make an all-female Ghostbusters movie. And we seen how that turned out. Now, this "black Superman" movie probably won't be as bad as that, and may even turn out to be a good movie, but it won't be Superman. Not to me. Rather than making traditionally white heroes black would it not be better to make movies of already black heroes? Just a thought.

It IS an awful idea...I hate when these mfers re-write the source material.

Leave Supes the way he is and work on MoS 2.

I'll pass on this.

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Reply #16 posted 02/27/21 3:00pm

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J.J Abrams ruined Star Trek and now will fuck up Superman as well.
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Reply #17 posted 02/27/21 3:39pm

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Well JJ created an alternative universe for ST which has caused chaos but per EmmaMcG there is an official alternative uni for Superman so maybe he'll stick with that some kind of way. I can see that working without chaos ensuing. I personally like stuff to make some sense.
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uPtoWnNY said:



EmmaMcG said:


J.J Abrams is rebooting Superman for Warner Bros, seemingly putting an end to any hopes that we'd get a sequel to Man of Steel. Word around the campfire suggests that not only are they recasting the lead role but they're looking to cast a black actor as Superman. I'm all for more black (and female, for that matter) superhero movies but fuck me, this just sounds like an awful idea. It kind of reminds me of the time some idiot at a movie studio thought it would be a good idea to make an all-female Ghostbusters movie. And we seen how that turned out. Now, this "black Superman" movie probably won't be as bad as that, and may even turn out to be a good movie, but it won't be Superman. Not to me. Rather than making traditionally white heroes black would it not be better to make movies of already black heroes? Just a thought.


It IS an awful idea...I hate when these mfers re-write the source material.



Leave Supes the way he is and work on MoS 2.



I'll pass on this.



I wasn't even that big of a fan of Man of Steel but reading Zack Snyder's comments on his original plans for his Superman movies makes it make sense. It wouldn't be until the third movie that the character of Superman becomes a version of the classic Superman that we all know and that Man of Steel and its sequel were necessary in his journey of accepting himself as a saviour and hero on Earth. So Man of Steel was essentially just the first act, which makes my dislike of it a little unfair on it as it wasn't yet a complete story. It would have been nice to see Snyder's full vision brought to life with Henry Cavill in the title role but that looks unlikely now.

Has there ever been a company so out of touch with what its fans want as Warner Bros? Turning Christopher Reeve's Superman movies into silly comedies for the third and fourth installments was surely a clear error. The fact that they repeated that by doing the exact same thing to Tim Burton's Batman movies borders on self-sabotage. I wasn't crazy about Nolan's Batman trilogy but surely the fact that on the one occasion where they kept studio interference to a minimum and it resulted in a well received trilogy is a sign that perhaps they should just allow the filmmaker to make the movie. But no, because they're back to their old tricks by firing a director after 2 movies and then turning out a complete dud in Justice League.
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onlyforaminute said:

Well JJ created an alternative universe for ST which has caused chaos but per EmmaMcG there is an official alternative uni for Superman so maybe he'll stick with that some kind of way. I can see that working without chaos ensuing. I personally like stuff to make some sense.

Like I mentioned above there's a Black Superman in the comics named Calvin Ellis. In the comics there are also times when the Clark Kent Superman spilt into 2 people, Red Superman & Blue Superman.


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Reply #20 posted 02/27/21 4:16pm

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Has there ever been a company so out of touch with what its fans want as Warner Bros?

No, and it's what happens when the suits in charge think they know more than creative people. Those clowns actually thought Nicholas Cage doing Superman would be a great idea.

WB had a chance to set up the DCEU perfectly had they done MoS 2, then stand-alone films featuring their main characters, followed by Justice League. But they got greedy and rushed everything. IMO, it's beyond repair.

But at least they did the MonsterVerse right.

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MickyDolenz said:



onlyforaminute said:


Well JJ created an alternative universe for ST which has caused chaos but per EmmaMcG there is an official alternative uni for Superman so maybe he'll stick with that some kind of way. I can see that working without chaos ensuing. I personally like stuff to make some sense.

Like I mentioned above there's a Black Superman in the comics named Calvin Ellis. In the comics there are also times when the Clark Kent Superman spilt into 2 people, Red Superman & Blue Superman.





Do you think Abrams is thd type to use this material in creating or invent his own universe first?
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onlyforaminute said:

Do you think Abrams is the type to use this material in creating or invent his own universe first?

Its been reported that Ta-Nehisi Coates is supposed to be writing this movie. Coates has written for the Black Panther comic book. I think Abrams is just the producer.

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MickyDolenz said:



onlyforaminute said:


Do you think Abrams is the type to use this material in creating or invent his own universe first?

Its been reported that Ta-Nehisi Coates is supposed to be writing this movie. Coates has written for the Black Panther comic book. I think Abrams is just the producer.


Oh really? WB taking hints.
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uPtoWnNY said:



EmmaMcG said:


Has there ever been a company so out of touch with what its fans want as Warner Bros?


No, and it's what happens when the suits in charge think they know more than creative people. Those clowns actually thought Nicholas Cage doing Superman would be a great idea.



WB had a chance to set up the DCEU perfectly had they done MoS 2, then stand-alone films featuring their main characters, followed by Justice League. But they got greedy and rushed everything. IMO, it's beyond repair.




But at least they did the MonsterVerse right.



The only chance they have of getting the DCEU back on track would be if the Snyder Cut turns out to be a vast improvement on the Snyder/Whedon/WB Frankenstein's Monster Cut and WB see that as a sign to allow Zack Snyder do his own Man of Steel sequel and somehow convince Ben Affleck to return as Batman and allow him to direct his own solo movie. Which is all very unlikely and chances are you are correct, the whole thing is fucked beyond repair. They could potentially use The Flash movie as a way of resetting the whole thing too seeing as it deals with the multiverse but again, WB have proven time and time again that they actually have no idea what they're doing so you know they'll fuck that up too.
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onlyforaminute said:

Oh really? WB taking hints.

2 or 3 years ago there was a rumor that Michael B. Jordan was being recruited to play Superman. Don't know if that was true or not.

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onlyforaminute said:

Oh really? WB taking hints.

2 or 3 years ago there was a rumor that Michael B. Jordan was being recruited to play Superman. Don't know if that was true or not.


He refused unless he could play Calvin Ellis or another canon black character.
I for one can't wait for the Snydercut and 4 hours isn;'t that long to sit through for a superhero movie especially one like MOS, BvS and WW to me.
teh only thig that annoys me is the fact that the Snydercut ends with a massive cliffhanger and we'll never get to see Apokolips and the all out war in space that Snyder had planned for JL 2 and 3.

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the only thig that annoys me is the fact that the Snydercut ends with a massive cliffhanger and we'll never get to see Apokolips and the all out war in space that Snyder had planned for JL 2 and 3.

From what I understand, it would be partly similar to Infinity War/Endgame. General audiences might have said it's a copy. Since Marvel got their movies out first. But comics copied each other all the time though. Thanos was a copy of Darkseid. Shazam! (the original Captain Marvel) was kinda similar to Superman. Captain Marvel was selling more than Superman at one point until DC sued Fawcett Comics and got control of the character. Stan Lee & Jack Kirby have worked for Marvel & DC.

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EmmaMcG said:

J.J Abrams is rebooting Superman for Warner Bros, seemingly putting an end to any hopes that we'd get a sequel to Man of Steel. Word around the campfire suggests that not only are they recasting the lead role but they're looking to cast a black actor as Superman. I'm all for more black (and female, for that matter) superhero movies but fuck me, this just sounds like an awful idea. It kind of reminds me of the time some idiot at a movie studio thought it would be a good idea to make an all-female Ghostbusters movie. And we seen how that turned out. Now, this "black Superman" movie probably won't be as bad as that, and may even turn out to be a good movie, but it won't be Superman. Not to me. Rather than making traditionally white heroes black would it not be better to make movies of already black heroes? Just a thought.


I got mixed feelings about this. On one hand i agree with what you said. But on the other hand i would be curious to see how a black Superman story played out. Me personally though, as a black man, i must say that i give few damn's about the diversity/woke aspect of having a black Superman. That really means nothing to me. I'm a old school(early 70's) superhero fan and sort of a traditionalist when it comes to character image etc. So much so that when i first saw how the new Aquaman looked, i was like WTF? Aquaman don't look like that ! And what about his outfit?? Why isn't it orange and green..! However, i eventually checked out the new Aquaman and enjoyed and respected what they did with the character. thumbs up!


I'm more than willing to give black Superman a chance. There's a lot of people out there who probably won't though. I think it would be better, and very, very interesting to see someone expand on the Superman/world of krypton story. There's Supergirl, so why not have a black character with similar powers as Superman, who also made it out of krypton? Y'all think that could work? hmmm




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JoeyC said:



EmmaMcG said:


J.J Abrams is rebooting Superman for Warner Bros, seemingly putting an end to any hopes that we'd get a sequel to Man of Steel. Word around the campfire suggests that not only are they recasting the lead role but they're looking to cast a black actor as Superman. I'm all for more black (and female, for that matter) superhero movies but fuck me, this just sounds like an awful idea. It kind of reminds me of the time some idiot at a movie studio thought it would be a good idea to make an all-female Ghostbusters movie. And we seen how that turned out. Now, this "black Superman" movie probably won't be as bad as that, and may even turn out to be a good movie, but it won't be Superman. Not to me. Rather than making traditionally white heroes black would it not be better to make movies of already black heroes? Just a thought.


I got mixed feelings about this. On one hand i agree with what you said. But on the other hand i would be curious to see how a black Superman story played out. Me personally though, as a black man, i must say that i give few damn's about the diversity/woke aspect of having a black Superman. That really means nothing to me. I'm a old school(early 70's) superhero fan and sort of a traditionalist when it comes to character image etc. So much so that when i first saw how the new Aquaman looked, i was like WTF? Aquaman don't look like that ! And what about his outfit?? Why isn't it orange and green..! However, i eventually checked out the new Aquaman and enjoyed and respected what they did with the character. thumbs up!


I'm more than willing to give black Superman a chance. There's a lot of people out there who probably won't though. I think it would be better, and very, very interesting to see someone expand on the Superman/world of krypton story. There's Supergirl, so why not have a black character with similar powers as Superman, who also made it out of krypton? Y'all think that could work? hmmm






As I understand it, a black Kryptonian already exists within DC's comics universe. Val-Zod is his name and he's a separate Superman. Now, I actually think introducing that character into Man of Steel 2 along with Henry Cavill's Superman would be the best way to go about it. Clark Kent could teach him how to control his powers and stuff and then, after that, give him his own spin off movie. That's a movie I'd be interested in. If they just say that Clark Kent is black though and do it that way then I'm not interested.

Now, I can't speak for black people. I'm a white girl from Ireland. But I will say that when Prickface was announced as the director of an all-female Ghostbusters movie that really annoyed me. And then he goes around talking about how it's going to be a great, feminist movie. As a woman, it was downright insulting to be pandered to like that. Nobody wanted an all-female Ghostbusters movie. And certainly not one directed by him or starring "actresses" like that. And when the movie flopped they tried to play it off like it was some sort of misogynist thing. When, in actual fact the movie was just crap because when they should have been thinking about writing a good movie, they were only thinking about it being an all-female Ghostbusters movie so they could pat themselves on the back for making a gender-swapped remake.
And I'd be afraid that a black Superman movie would turn out the same way.

Warner Bros are constantly trying to rush into things and have their own Avengers-style box office success but if they'd just stop and think about why the MCU has been so successful they'd see that it was built up from years of groundwork being laid by different movies that introduced us, non-comic book readers, to these characters. I cared about The Avengers because I had gotten to know Captain America, Iron Man etc in their solo movies. I didn't care at all about Cyborg or The Flash in Justice League because I don't know them, or at least, this version of them.
[Edited 3/3/21 13:02pm]
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