RodeoSchro said:

Timmy84 said:

That's what I was wondering too. Since apparently men can't hit women back in self-defense despite what the woman did according to some folks (though some have contradicted themselves in their responses. *coughRodeocough*)

I haven't contradicted myself at all. I'm frankly amazed that some think by "Men don't hit women - EVER" that meant "even in life-threatening situations". It meant that a man does not strike a woman unless his life is in danger.

It was directed at those who were commenting that it was OK to hit a woman if they hit you. That if a woman wanted to act like a man, she should be prepared to get her ass whooped like a man.

You dudes need to read some Westerns, fast!

Oh, look. More tired shpiel from one of the oldest old geezers in all of Prince fandom.

Heteronormativity is mental laziness.

Spinlight said:

RodeoSchro said:

I haven't contradicted myself at all. I'm frankly amazed that some think by "Men don't hit women - EVER" that meant "even in life-threatening situations". It meant that a man does not strike a woman unless his life is in danger.

It was directed at those who were commenting that it was OK to hit a woman if they hit you. That if a woman wanted to act like a man, she should be prepared to get her ass whooped like a man.

You dudes need to read some Westerns, fast!

Oh, look. More tired shpiel from one of the oldest old geezers in all of Prince fandom.

Heteronormativity is mental laziness.

I take that as a compliment!

Beautifulstarr123 said:

Pokeno4Money said:

http://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshhTq85Q0SUro3x38mr

Seems like the majority of the people on the bus were happy that the older bus driver clocked the 25-year-old female after she spit on him and hit him. Most of the people who have commented are supportive of the bus driver, too.

Personally I think the guy was wrong for doing what he did, it's not like he was ever in danger of being seriously hurt. If I was in his shoes, I would have definitely kicked the female off the bus. But punch her in the head with a vicious uppercut? No, too excessive.

(Edited to embed video)

[Edited 10/23/12 5:57am]

I agree with this lady journalist that we don't know what traspired between those two before we saw the video. Some city bus drivers can be downright nasty and unprofessional

from what someone posted as an update and i think from the interview with the lady

she didnt pay her fair

OldFriends4Sale said:

Beautifulstarr123 said:

I agree with this lady journalist that we don't know what traspired between those two before we saw the video. Some city bus drivers can be downright nasty and unprofessional

from what someone posted as an update and i think from the interview with the lady

she didnt pay her fair

Yeah she didn't pay it.

OK bust it what if it was like, Chaz Bono on the bus, nahmean?

Just kiddin'

Rightly said:

No, i think it's fair enough if someone threatens your children, verbal insults are exchanged and then you get spat on. I condone it. A normal human being cant be expected to tolerate all that, calmly make a call and hope that some kind of soft justice will be carried out. I think anyone who stays calm and makes the call is a nutjob, completely out of touch with himself and potentially dangerous. In this case the girl had it coming.

Dude are you for real? GTFOOHWTBS

Stymie said:

Rightly said:

No, i think it's fair enough if someone threatens your children, verbal insults are exchanged and then you get spat on. I condone it. A normal human being cant be expected to tolerate all that, calmly make a call and hope that some kind of soft justice will be carried out. I think anyone who stays calm and makes the call is a nutjob, completely out of touch with himself and potentially dangerous. In this case the girl had it coming.

Dude are you for real? GTFOOHWTBS

No kidding.

Stymie said:

Rightly said:

No, i think it's fair enough if someone threatens your children, verbal insults are exchanged and then you get spat on. I condone it. A normal human being cant be expected to tolerate all that, calmly make a call and hope that some kind of soft justice will be carried out. I think anyone who stays calm and makes the call is a nutjob, completely out of touch with himself and potentially dangerous. In this case the girl had it coming.

Dude are you for real? GTFOOHWTBS

I'm so fired up I figured out what "GTFOOHWTBS" meant!

This morning on "Second Date Update" they had some Neanderthal that thought women should be seen and not heard, and kept barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen most of the time (needless to say, the girl did NOT want another date with this dude).

He went off on the female DJ, and said at one point, "It sounds like you need to be slapped a little".

LMAO, I immediately thought of this thread and those here that think it's ever OK to hit a woman. I wonder if that dude on the radio was Rightly or Spinlight?

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[Edited 10/29/12 7:56am]

RodeoSchro said:

Stymie said:

Dude are you for real? GTFOOHWTBS

I'm so fired up I figured out what "GTFOOHWTBS" meant!

This morning on "Second Date Update" they had some Neanderthal that thought women should be seen and not heard, and kept barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen most of the time (needless to say, the girl did NOT want another date with this dude).

He went off on the female DJ, and said at one point, "It sounds like you need to be slapped a little".

LMAO, I immediately thought of this thread and those here that think it's ever OK to hit a woman. I wonder if that dude on the radio was Rightly or Spinlight?

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Dude that is so extremely different from this topic, nobody here thinks it's ok to hit a woman in that situation (don't make yourself sound more off than you already do) And there you go again "It's ever OK to hit a woman"

You are calling him a Neanderthal but you say we need to read Westerns as a rolemodel for how men are to treat women?? seriously

Cinny said:

OK bust it what if it was like, Chaz Bono on the bus, nahmean?

Just kiddin'

Your not kidding, because you know that is a valid point

OldFriends4Sale said:

RodeoSchro said:

I'm so fired up I figured out what "GTFOOHWTBS" meant!

This morning on "Second Date Update" they had some Neanderthal that thought women should be seen and not heard, and kept barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen most of the time (needless to say, the girl did NOT want another date with this dude).

He went off on the female DJ, and said at one point, "It sounds like you need to be slapped a little".

LMAO, I immediately thought of this thread and those here that think it's ever OK to hit a woman. I wonder if that dude on the radio was Rightly or Spinlight?

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Dude that is so extremely different from this topic, nobody here thinks it's ok to hit a woman in that situation (don't make yourself sound more off than you already do) And there you go again "It's ever OK to hit a woman"

You are calling him a Neanderthal but you say we need to read Westerns as a rolemodel for how men are to treat women?? seriously

No, my comments are spot-on. If one thinks that it's OK to strike a woman themself, then they think it's OK for others to strike women, too. So when they see a woman who's been struck by a man, their first thought isn't, "Oh my God, her husband is a wife beater!" it's "Meh, she probably did something to deserve it".

I certainly hope you aren't in that category!

Now, quit harping on what's an obvious point, and that is that anyone has a right to defend themselves if their life is in danger. I thought that was so obvious as to assume it didn't even need to be said. You, however, apparently need to be reminded that self-defense in a lethal situation is OK, so I'm happy to do it.

And I have - five or six times. Can we finally agree that self-defense in a lethal situation is OK?

My message is directed mainly at those who've said, "If a woman wants to act like a man, then she'd better be prepared to get hit like a man". You don't think anyone here has that position. Did you not read Rightly's comment? Or AsherFierce's? Or Fury's? You're a mod; I assume you read all the comments. Don't you?

You'd better believe I thought of those posters when that guy said the female DJ sounded like she needed to be slapped.

As to the Old West - YOU should read some Westerns and see how women were treated there. They were off-limits. You could rob a bank, or a train, or even kill someone and get away with it.

But if you even touched one hair on a woman's head, you got the noose.

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[Edited 10/29/12 11:06am]

What I am not getting from most of the posters here, is that this guy was singling out this woman because of her gender, are I not correct?

"If you want to act like a man, I'm going to treat you like one". There is no level where he was hitting her as another human being, but differentiating between her and a man.

I am leaving this as my last post to this because it doesn't seem we are going to see eye to eye on this and with it becoming personal with folks being referred to as "off" and other such bullshit.

Stymie said:

What I am not getting from most of the posters here, is that this guy was singling out this woman because of her gender, are I not correct?

"If you want to act like a man, I'm going to treat you like one". There is no level where he was hitting her as another human being, but differentiating between her and a man.

I am leaving this as my last post to this because it doesn't seem we are going to see eye to eye on this and with it becoming personal with folks being referred to as "off" and other such bullshit.

Good point. As I recall, the bus driver kept egging her on. He said something about how she looked like someone had cut her face up with a knife, or something like that.

I got called an "oldest old geezer"! WTF, how old does he think I am? LOL.

I'm honestly amazed that anyone thinks it's ok to hit a woman, but I guess it takes all types to make the world go 'round.

This thread is comical.

That sad part is................NOTHING is funny.

Graycap23 said:

This thread is comical.

That sad part is................NOTHING is funny.

I know.

Graycap23 said:

This thread is comical.

That sad part is................NOTHING is funny.

I did think getting called "one of the oldest old geezers" was kind of funny.

But if you're saying that it's comical in a not-funny-way that anyone would say hitting women is OK, I am right there with you.

uPtoWnNY said:

Following up on what OldFriends said, when dealing with hoodrats (male or female), one has to assume they're carrying. Here in the Bronx, I've seen too many cases of folks getting into it with these fools, and wind up beaten, maced, sliced with razors, stabbed with icepicks or worse. Hoodrats have no morals and don't follow any rules. So if some lowlife street trash makes threatening moves towards me, I won't hesitate to take them down (regardless of gender) and pin them until the cops come. I'll deal with the consequences later, but at least I'm alive.

This is what many commenting on this thread have failed to understand.

ForgottenPassword said:

uPtoWnNY said:

Following up on what OldFriends said, when dealing with hoodrats (male or female), one has to assume they're carrying. Here in the Bronx, I've seen too many cases of folks getting into it with these fools, and wind up beaten, maced, sliced with razors, stabbed with icepicks or worse. Hoodrats have no morals and don't follow any rules. So if some lowlife street trash makes threatening moves towards me, I won't hesitate to take them down (regardless of gender) and pin them until the cops come. I'll deal with the consequences later, but at least I'm alive.

This is what many commenting on this thread have failed to understand.

Thank God I'm not one of them!

RodeoSchro said:

ForgottenPassword said:

This is what many commenting on this thread have failed to understand.

Thank God I'm not one of them!

and you will be one that gets shanked by woman who is a hoodrat because of this

Martin Luther King didnt expect a Colored Woman to stab him either but she did

not personal at all, its about contradictories and viewing women as they did in the old West, its about the idea

there is absolutely no personal issue against rodeo, i can disagree in this topic, and agree with him in many others (hmmm maybe thats a gender issue too)

[Edited 10/29/12 18:27pm]

Beautifulstarr123 said:

Pokeno4Money said:

http://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshhTq85Q0SUro3x38mr

Seems like the majority of the people on the bus were happy that the older bus driver clocked the 25-year-old female after she spit on him and hit him. Most of the people who have commented are supportive of the bus driver, too.

Personally I think the guy was wrong for doing what he did, it's not like he was ever in danger of being seriously hurt. If I was in his shoes, I would have definitely kicked the female off the bus. But punch her in the head with a vicious uppercut? No, too excessive.

(Edited to embed video)

[Edited 10/23/12 5:57am]

I agree with this lady journalist that we don't know what traspired between those two before we saw the video. Some city bus drivers can be downright nasty and unprofessional

courtesy and kindness go a long way

and most of the time bus drivers are treated crappy, lied to, people trying to take advantage and theyre lives are at risk all the time

take a ride with the bus driver from the start of their day and see why they can be nasty and 'unprofessional'

OldFriends4Sale said:

RodeoSchro said:

Thank God I'm not one of them!

and you will be one that gets shanked by woman who is a hoodrat because of this

Martin Luther King didnt expect a Colored Woman to stab him either but she did

You think? I don't.

I do not know why you think I'm some devil-may-care cowboy. I've had a gun pointed at me, I've chased down a few thieves, and I've avoided a lot of fights in my day (but not all of them). I know how to handle myself. I'm not going to put myself in a position where a hoodrat is going to shank me.

All I keep saying is that hitting a woman is wrong. Think "domestic abuse" if you have to.

OldFriends4Sale said:

Stymie said:

What I am not getting from most of the posters here, is that this guy was singling out this woman because of her gender, are I not correct?

"If you want to act like a man, I'm going to treat you like one". There is no level where he was hitting her as another human being, but differentiating between her and a man.

I am leaving this as my last post to this because it doesn't seem we are going to see eye to eye on this and with it becoming personal with folks being referred to as "off" and other such bullshit.

not personal at all, its about contradictories and viewing women as they did in the old West, its about the idea

there is absolutely no personal issue against rodeo, i can disagree in this topic, and agree with him in many others (hmmm maybe thats a gender issue too)

[Edited 10/29/12 17:46pm]

I'm not mad because I know that OF4S has completely missed all the points I've made!

RodeoSchro said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

and you will be one that gets shanked by woman who is a hoodrat because of this

Martin Luther King didnt expect a Colored Woman to stab him either but she did

You think? I don't.

I do not know why you think I'm some devil-may-care cowboy. I've had a gun pointed at me, I've chased down a few thieves, and I've avoided a lot of fights in my day (but not all of them). I know how to handle myself. I'm not going to put myself in a position where a hoodrat is going to shank me.

All I keep saying is that hitting a woman is wrong. Think "domestic abuse" if you have to.

those examples, where those with men? and thats what Im talking about, most people wont expect it from a woman

We'll agree to disagree, because I dont think every example is domestic abuse domestic vs a stranger or a hoodrat is 2 different things

and we are talking about different age groups as well. I tell you what I have 2 nephews 5 and 9 if a girl bigger than them put her hands on those boys they better handle business

Judith Light )actress made a movie about domestic abuse (wife on the husband) check it out

RodeoSchro said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

not personal at all, its about contradictories and viewing women as they did in the old West, its about the idea

there is absolutely no personal issue against rodeo, i can disagree in this topic, and agree with him in many others (hmmm maybe thats a gender issue too)

[Edited 10/29/12 17:46pm]

I'm not mad because I know that OF4S has completely missed all the points I've made!

nothing to be mad about, we are not being personal (probably a man thing) we both have different opinions about this, different experiences, Ive seen and experiened things that lead me to my opions at this point in life

there is a change in social climates as far as gender is concerned, things cant be the same as in the old west without taking away womens current rights to vote and hold office, work in any field etc

for men to deal with women as in the Westerns(which have a strong 'romantic' edge) the question to be asked is, are women in 2012 carrying themselves the same as women in the Westerns

there has to be a balance, every woman doesnt want her door opened doesnt want you to pay for her doesnt want a lot of the thing that were considered 'chivalrous'

Ive talked with women of my mothers generation and here are 2 things Ive heard from women and a few older than my mom 1.) never hit a lady -a lady has no business being in a mans face, 2.) (Nancy L. "women are to be seen and not heard")

these are just 2 things coming from ladies from an older generation. There are so many double sided ideas and many that are contradictory to the idea of the equal genders, the independant woman

Have U ever watched any Real House Wives of.. shows or Bad Girls Club? if you havent you should. the level of violence at times, is worse than Ive ever associated with men

http://www.youtube.com/wa...X1GpLmeOBU

(unrestrained agression and in your face threats of violence)

http://www.youtube.com/wa...2hPpn4_Kcw

4:53 MIN (acceptable violence by women) this scene is not considered domestic violence, the cops werent called, there was no shock)

stuff like this is why that women in the original video felt it was ok to spit on the driver and put her hands on him and not expect retaliation

[Edited 10/29/12 19:43pm]

Timmy84 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

from what someone posted as an update and i think from the interview with the lady

she didnt pay her fair

Yeah she didn't pay it.

Oh

[Edited 10/31/12 4:01am]

[Edited 10/31/12 4:04am]

OldFriends4Sale said:

Beautifulstarr123 said:

I agree with this lady journalist that we don't know what traspired between those two before we saw the video. Some city bus drivers can be downright nasty and unprofessional

courtesy and kindness go a long way

and most of the time bus drivers are treated crappy, lied to, people trying to take advantage and theyre lives are at risk all the time

take a ride with the bus driver from the start of their day and see why they can be nasty and 'unprofessional'

Yep

[Edited 10/31/12 4:02am]

I'm surprised this hasn't been moved to "Politics & Religion" yet.

OldFriends4Sale said:

RodeoSchro said:

I'm not mad because I know that OF4S has completely missed all the points I've made!

nothing to be mad about, we are not being personal (probably a man thing) we both have different opinions about this, different experiences, Ive seen and experiened things that lead me to my opions at this point in life

there is a change in social climates as far as gender is concerned, things cant be the same as in the old west without taking away womens current rights to vote and hold office, work in any field etc

for men to deal with women as in the Westerns(which have a strong 'romantic' edge) the question to be asked is, are women in 2012 carrying themselves the same as women in the Westerns

there has to be a balance, every woman doesnt want her door opened doesnt want you to pay for her doesnt want a lot of the thing that were considered 'chivalrous'

Ive talked with women of my mothers generation and here are 2 things Ive heard from women and a few older than my mom 1.) never hit a lady -a lady has no business being in a mans face, 2.) (Nancy L. "women are to be seen and not heard")

these are just 2 things coming from ladies from an older generation. There are so many double sided ideas and many that are contradictory to the idea of the equal genders, the independant woman

Have U ever watched any Real House Wives of.. shows or Bad Girls Club? if you havent you should. the level of violence at times, is worse than Ive ever associated with men

http://www.youtube.com/wa...X1GpLmeOBU

(unrestrained agression and in your face threats of violence)

http://www.youtube.com/wa...2hPpn4_Kcw

4:53 MIN (acceptable violence by women) this scene is not considered domestic violence, the cops werent called, there was no shock)

stuff like this is why that women in the original video felt it was ok to spit on the driver and put her hands on him and not expect retaliation

[Edited 10/29/12 19:43pm]

Men of the old West wanted a woman to walk beside them, not behind them. If that's not an expression of equality, I don't know what is. There were women in the old West that ran saloons (which were the always the biggest businesses in town), led cattle drives, operated large working ranches, and didn't shy away from defending their property when raided by Indians or white men. The old West was a lot more equal than you think, but you wouldn't know that if you hadn't read any history on it.

And the Real Housewives?!? LMFAO, c'mon. That's the most staged BS in the world. And hell NO I don't watch that tripe. I question the grasp on reality of anyone that thinks those shows in any way reflect real, unscripted life.

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[Edited 10/31/12 4:45am]