TD3 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

How can you say this older man's life wasn't in danger. If a person can make that first move, then they can do anything.

Was the bus stopped, was he trying to get her off?

In one of the burbs where I live a grandmother school bus attendant was videoed being harassed by the kids on the bus, cursing at her, calling her names, even putting their hands on her, she's crying etc, when the video went viral people from all over started sending her money(some kind of fund) for what happened to her over the school year. She got over 100,000 I believe

this guys gets suspended, oops

I don't think the 'screaming about equality' is justifying what happened. I don't fully know who I feel about what he did outside of if she had a weapon, he could be dead or disabled...but at least he did the right thing in not retaliating.

That's the troubling thing about situations like this, because you don't know what can happen.

Plus this wasn't 2 20somethings this was a younger person vs an older person

Let me guess, both engaged in hurling insults for while before she escalated the situation to physical violence. The bus driver should've not engaged this fool who kept mouthing off and call the proper authorities. What so hard to understand? I understand dealing with the public can be a bitch but this isn't I'm sure the first time this man has had to deal with a fool(s). Something tells me if this had been 6'3 and a 25 year old young man... he would've handles the situation very differently.

Spitting is a no,no. I was spat upon (by some tried ass jerk) last year while my aunt was in nursing facility. It took all of my energy not to cuss him out.... I saw RED!! I was a shocked and it took me a minute to get myself together to realize what he had done. What did I do? I spoke the persons who ran the nursing home, they informed his 3 daughters they would have to find somewhere else for him to live.

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Remember that time that crazy woman was all in some old woman's face? Didn't she get whupped in the same bus or something? I forgot about that video...

OldFriends4Sale said:

I do feel sympathy for her, but in a hypocritical way, I feel sympathy because she is female.

this is the problem with situations like this that happen in the public, in bars, in homes, at the playground, in sports.

No one assesses hmmm they are smaller than me, they are shorter etc etc (well in some cases we do) but it's usually 1 side that has to in order for the situation not to escalate, the other side is either not thinking about it or is taking advantage of it. I knew a young lady(30something) who it didn't matter: she would get in her mothers face, her fathers, mine, her nieces, I mean it was such a dare. And yes I wanted to slap her across the room, I mean like step into your space (she's college educated, never used curse words but she could be so abrassive) She did the same to her (ex)boyfriend till he did land a punch and left a knot on her forehead (guess what? she still didn't learn her leason not to come after people like that, and she would say it "I don't want to go their with her but I know I can go there ..."

My opinion in some cases some people just need an unexpected response

People who teach their children not to fight, are teaching their kids to be victims. Its one thing if the whole world was the same, but while some are peacemakers others are bullies. Kids get victimized at school on the playground and outside of school. Kids should be taught to protect themselves. Male and female

I remember when I was a senior in high school, in the hall, a fight almost breaks -out a girl is going after a guy no holds barred, and he was pulling away backing away, people were all around and she hit him a few times, I saw him pop her 2 times before he was able to get away. He had the right to defend himself, and they werent much different in physical size.

Those who beat their swords into plowshares usually end up plowing for those who didn’t. — Ben Franklin

[Edited 10/25/12 8:12am]

Let's not romanticise it. It wasn't someone nobly setting the world straight by valiantly punishing some serial offender who'd been terrible to lots of people. It was two people in a dumb altercation, one of whom committed the wrong of pushing and spitting, and another who paid the wrong back with considerable interest: putting his smaller, weaker opponent right back in her place by punching her full force in the face in retaliation - and not looking too troubled at having done so. People will inevitably drape their agendas on incidents like this, but I'm not sure we really need to dig up Ben Franklin and all his rhetorical finery to explain it.

deebee said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

I do feel sympathy for her, but in a hypocritical way, I feel sympathy because she is female.

this is the problem with situations like this that happen in the public, in bars, in homes, at the playground, in sports.

No one assesses hmmm they are smaller than me, they are shorter etc etc (well in some cases we do) but it's usually 1 side that has to in order for the situation not to escalate, the other side is either not thinking about it or is taking advantage of it. I knew a young lady(30something) who it didn't matter: she would get in her mothers face, her fathers, mine, her nieces, I mean it was such a dare. And yes I wanted to slap her across the room, I mean like step into your space (she's college educated, never used curse words but she could be so abrassive) She did the same to her (ex)boyfriend till he did land a punch and left a knot on her forehead (guess what? she still didn't learn her leason not to come after people like that, and she would say it "I don't want to go their with her but I know I can go there ..."

My opinion in some cases some people just need an unexpected response

People who teach their children not to fight, are teaching their kids to be victims. Its one thing if the whole world was the same, but while some are peacemakers others are bullies. Kids get victimized at school on the playground and outside of school. Kids should be taught to protect themselves. Male and female

I remember when I was a senior in high school, in the hall, a fight almost breaks -out a girl is going after a guy no holds barred, and he was pulling away backing away, people were all around and she hit him a few times, I saw him pop her 2 times before he was able to get away. He had the right to defend himself, and they werent much different in physical size.

Those who beat their swords into plowshares usually end up plowing for those who didn’t. — Ben Franklin

[Edited 10/25/12 8:12am]

Let's not romanticise it. It wasn't someone nobly setting the world straight by valiantly punishing some serial offender who'd been terrible to lots of people. It was two people in a dumb altercation, one of whom committed the wrong of pushing and spitting, and another who paid the wrong back with considerable interest: putting his smaller, weaker opponent right back in her place by punching her full force in the face in retaliation - and not looking too troubled at having done so. People will inevitably drape their agendas on incidents like this, but I'm not sure we really need to dig up Ben Franklin and all his rhetorical finery to explain it.

ummm nothing in any of my posts is remotely close to romanticizing this.

What did you read in my post that came to that conclusion? I don't understand that aspect of your response. I understand how he got to that point of punching her. I feel sorry for her (that old school -women should not be hit- hypocracy in me) and I thought it was funny.

I can dig up that saying by Ben Franklin because people are saying "Men should never hit women" people are saying "I don't agree with any kind of violence or retaliation etc etc" and it not realistic which is what that quote by B. Franklin is saying

If people keep thinking very 'non-violent' pacifist ways, and sending their kids out into the world with the same ideals, they are being foolish because the person down the street has a bully living in that house. And bully's grow up and stay bully's

Playground rules never went out,

Every case of course doesn't not require any kind of physical response. In places like the work place, there are certain protocal. But again the same applies, Bully's get jobs, go to college, uh join Fraternities & Sororities... But there are a lot of dead, mutilated, raped, injured, bullied people who foolishly believe everyone is thinking the same that they do,

What Ben is saying, until everyone beats their swords into plowshares ( from a biblical verse) you better keep yours too

Why do you think there are self defense classes

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prodigalfan said:

TD3 said:

Let me guess, both engaged in hurling insults for while before she escalated the situation to physical violence. The bus driver should've not engaged this fool who kept mouthing off and call the proper authorities. What so hard to understand? I understand dealing with the public can be a bitch but this isn't I'm sure the first time this man has had to deal with a fool(s). Something tells me if this had been 6'3 and a 25 year old young man... he would've handles the situation very differently.

Spitting is a no,no. I was spat upon (by some tried ass jerk) last year while my aunt was in nursing facility. It took all of my energy not to cuss him out.... I saw RED!! I was a shocked and it took me a minute to get myself together to realize what he had done. What did I do? I spoke the persons who ran the nursing home, they informed his 3 daughters they would have to find somewhere else for him to live.

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clap it up, but thats definately not always the case, many people put themselves in unrealistic situations.

I mean the young lady in that video did herself, here is a grown ass man and she is in his face spitting on him and putting her hands on him.

So that goes both ways, and she took advantage of the fact that he was a bus driver (like someone else post there seems to be an increase in bullying of public/civil servants in situation like this) Because these people know the other is not supposed to react. She couldn't have been afraid of him calling 911 either. And probably if he did do the right thing and wait for the cops, she was over the top and probably would have fought back the cops.

As well as took advantage of the fact that he is a man "And Men should never ever hit women"

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Pokeno4Money said:

Interesting and unique commentary beginning at the 4:00 mark, it focuses on aspects that I don't believe have been discussed yet such as the safety of the passengers while the bus driver continues to drive throughout much of the confrontation.

I did. See reply # 56.

She endangered everybody by kicking all this drama while he was driving, he did the same by not stopping the bus and putting her off after a max of 3 warnings. Instead he kept on driving and once he stopped he "whooped her ass".

Wrong.

AsherFierce said:

If a woman steps up to you like she a man, like if she's trying to be Michaela Tyson or some ish. then yeah. Don't start shit won't be shit. That applies to everybody male or female.

THIS!^

And I've seen the undercut footage of that incident on the RTA public bus in Cleveland, OH. And that woman (and I say "woman" loosely, given that she came off as a disrespectful hoodrat girl! ) did push the male bus driver with both of her close fists first. That right there was an assault and the bus driver has every damn right to defend himself.

End of.

CarrieMpls said:

tinaz said:

x3

Add one more to the mix. Punching anyone other than in self defense is never OK.

Add another one.

TonyVanDam said:

AsherFierce said:

If a woman steps up to you like she a man, like if she's trying to be Michaela Tyson or some ish. then yeah. Don't start shit won't be shit. That applies to everybody male or female.

THIS!^

And I've seen the undercut footage of that incident on the RTA public bus in Cleveland, OH. And that woman (and I say "woman" loosely, given that she came off as a disrespectful hoodrat girl! ) did push the male bus driver with both of her close fists first. That right there was an assault and the bus driver has every damn right to defend himself.

End of.

^ agree.

TonyVanDam said:

CarrieMpls said:

Add one more to the mix. Punching anyone other than in self defense is never OK.

Add another one.

You are just slightly forgetting about the fact(or) that self defense is only legal when applied proportionally.

Yes he had a right to self defense but the force he applied was completely unnecessary and execessive.

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Stymie said:

Looks like she pushed him to me. And even if she did hit him, she did not deserve what he did to her.

And THAT^ is an assault! That little woman should have never laid her close fists on him.

-- Never mind the fact that she threatening to spit on him.

-- Never mind the fact that she did laid her hands on him.

-- Never mind the fact that she was totally disrespect toward an elder.

That woman's biggest f***ed was trying to punk that man in front of everyone on the bus, which in itself on a psychological standpoint was an insult, a threat AND a total disrespect to his masculinity. Therefore, he did exactly what most men (especially black men with any ounce of self-respect) would have done, which is to defend himself.

That's right I said! And I do NOT give a damn if most of my fellow orgers believe that I'm overreaching with my statements. I stand by everything that I just said because someone needs to have the courage to say it.

TonyVanDam said:

That's right I said! And I do NOT give a damn if most of my fellow orgers believe that I'm overreaching with my statements. I stand by everything that I just said because someone needs to have the courage to say it.

Get over yourself.

Tremolina said:

TonyVanDam said:

Add another one.

You are just slightly forgetting about the fact(or) that self defense is only legal when applied proportionally.

Yes he had a right to self defense but the force he applied was completely unnecessary and execessive.

[Edited 10/25/12 9:56am]

That's easy for you to say because you're not a man. And the very fact that the male bus driver threw a hard uppercut was excessive on purpose because he had to prove a point to that woman that no one was going to disrespect him, assault him AND try to make him look like a punk (at the expense of his masculinity no less) in front of everyone on that bus and get away with it. He has too much self-respect to allow her to get away with that bullshit.

TonyVanDam said:

Tremolina said:

You are just slightly forgetting about the fact(or) that self defense is only legal when applied proportionally.

Yes he had a right to self defense but the force he applied was completely unnecessary and execessive.

[Edited 10/25/12 9:56am]

That's easy for you to say because you're not a man. And the very fact that the male bus driver threw a hard uppercut was excessive on purpose because he had to prove a point to that woman that no one was going to disrespect him, assault him AND try to make him look like a punk (at the expense of his masculinity no less) in front of everyone on that bus and get away with it. He has too much self-respect to allow her to get away with that bullshit.

He is a man.

TonyVanDam said:

Stymie said:

Looks like she pushed him to me. And even if she did hit him, she did not deserve what he did to her.

And THAT^ is an assault! That little woman should have never laid her close fists on him.

-- Never mind the fact that she threatening to spit on him.

-- Never mind the fact that she did laid her hands on him.

-- Never mind the fact that she was totally disrespect toward an elder.

That woman's biggest f***ed was trying to punk that man in front of everyone on the bus, which in itself on a psychological standpoint was an insult, a threat AND a total disrespect to his masculinity. Therefore, he did exactly what most men (especially black men with any ounce of self-respect) would have done, which is to defend himself.

That's right I said! And I do NOT give a damn if most of my fellow orgers believe that I'm overreaching with my statements. I stand by everything that I just said because someone needs to have the courage to say it.

this post is fucking hilarious.

Defend himself? For real? If you wanna go there with the masculinity bullshit, what kind of punk ass man has to beat down a smaller woman?

Oh my self-respect was hurt. BIG FUCKING DEAL!!

Hope his self-respect pays the bills when he loses his job.

And, I guess some of these men are about to start advocating for women to be treated as complete equals. Ya'll need to get started on the pay issue first.

[Edited 10/25/12 10:34am]

Stymie said:

That's easy for you to say because you're not a man.

He is a man.

Just goes to show what type of clueless, prejudiced mind we are dealing with here.

TonyVanDam said:

the very fact that the male bus driver threw a hard uppercut was excessive on purpose because he had to prove a point to that woman that no one was going to disrespect him

Respect me bitch!

Tremolina said:

Stymie said:

Just goes to show what type of clueless, prejudiced mind we are dealing with here.

TonyVanDam said:

the very fact that the male bus driver threw a hard uppercut was excessive on purpose because he had to prove a point to that woman that no one was going to disrespect him

Respect me bitch!

Stymie said:

TonyVanDam said:

And THAT^ is an assault! That little woman should have never laid her close fists on him.

-- Never mind the fact that she threatening to spit on him.

-- Never mind the fact that she did laid her hands on him.

-- Never mind the fact that she was totally disrespect toward an elder.

That woman's biggest f***ed was trying to punk that man in front of everyone on the bus, which in itself on a psychological standpoint was an insult, a threat AND a total disrespect to his masculinity. Therefore, he did exactly what most men (especially black men with any ounce of self-respect) would have done, which is to defend himself.

That's right I said! And I do NOT give a damn if most of my fellow orgers believe that I'm overreaching with my statements. I stand by everything that I just said because someone needs to have the courage to say it.

this post is fucking hilarious.

Defend himself? For real? If you wanna go there with the masculinity bullshit, what kind of punk ass man has to beat down a smaller woman?

Oh my self-respect was hurt. BIG FUCKING DEAL!!

Hope his self-respect pays the bills when he loses his job.

And, I guess some of these men are about to start advocating for women to be treated as complete equals. Ya'll need to get started on the pay issue first.

[Edited 10/25/12 10:34am]

CORRECTION: What kind of hoodrat bitch of a woman has to assault a grown man that's old enough to be her father OR grandfather?

And don't you dare falsely accuse me for being prejudice, you naive sheep. If you're so offended that I had your gender wrong then I apologize. But I will NOT apology for anything else. And beside, the nickname "Tremolina" does NOT sound masculine at all, therefore thinking that you were a female was an honest mistake.

Tremolina said:

Just goes to show what type of clueless, prejudiced mind we are dealing with here.

TonyVanDam said:

Tremolina said:

You are just slightly forgetting about the fact(or) that self defense is only legal when applied proportionally.

Yes he had a right to self defense but the force he applied was completely unnecessary and execessive.

[Edited 10/25/12 9:56am]

That's easy for you to say because you're not a man. And the very fact that the male bus driver threw a hard uppercut was excessive on purpose because he had to prove a point to that woman that no one was going to disrespect him, assault him AND try to make him look like a punk (at the expense of his masculinity no less) in front of everyone on that bus and get away with it. He has too much self-respect to allow her to get away with that bullshit.

Oh shit, y'all!

Only Tony had the courage to say it, Tremmie's not a man!

TonyVanDam said:

Stymie said:

this post is fucking hilarious.

Defend himself? For real? If you wanna go there with the masculinity bullshit, what kind of punk ass man has to beat down a smaller woman?

Oh my self-respect was hurt. BIG FUCKING DEAL!!

Hope his self-respect pays the bills when he loses his job.

And, I guess some of these men are about to start advocating for women to be treated as complete equals. Ya'll need to get started on the pay issue first.

[Edited 10/25/12 10:34am]

CORRECTION: What kind of hoodrat bitch of a woman has to assault a grown man that's old enough to be her father OR grandfather?

Pathetic.

Stymie said:

TonyVanDam said:

CORRECTION: What kind of hoodrat bitch of a woman has to assault a grown man that's old enough to be her father OR grandfather?

Pathetic.

It really is pretty sad that so many seem to not get it.

But it's not surprising really.

JustErin said:

TonyVanDam said:

That's easy for you to say because you're not a man. And the very fact that the male bus driver threw a hard uppercut was excessive on purpose because he had to prove a point to that woman that no one was going to disrespect him, assault him AND try to make him look like a punk (at the expense of his masculinity no less) in front of everyone on that bus and get away with it. He has too much self-respect to allow her to get away with that bullshit.

Oh shit, y'all!

Only Tony had the courage to say it, Tremmie's not a man!

Stymie said:

TonyVanDam said:

CORRECTION: What kind of hoodrat bitch of a woman has to assault a grown man that's old enough to be her father OR grandfather?

Pathetic.

I'm pathetic?!? Excusing f***ing you, but you're the one that has been pathetic (IMDHO) for thinking that male bus driver was suppose to take the abuse of being pushed and not defend himself at all. It's one thing for you to strongly disagree with me. But to call me pathetic because I choose to stand by my words AND answered you question with a counter question of my own just proves to me that you can NOT handled the fact that I do not see things the exact same way that you do.

Just re-watch the damn video to remind yourself that it was the woman that physically assaulted the male bus driver first. She is not the victim; HE is. Period. End of story.

JustErin said:

Stymie said:

Pathetic.

It really is pretty sad that so many seem to not get it.

But it's not surprising really.

a lot of people get it, but because this situation, and many peoples ideals are very imbalanced That's why this situation is bringing out a lot of issues of gender equality

Some people are saying this should not have happened just because she is a woman, some say because he is a public servant and should have followed protocal, some are bringing in other factors why it should not have happened, some just aren't looking at all the different factors and conclude that in no circumstances should a woman ever be hit

neither of them should have had to experienced what they did.

neither of them should have done what they did

he will pay for what he did, she won't

[Edited 10/25/12 11:48am]

OldFriends4Sale said:

JustErin said:

It really is pretty sad that so many seem to not get it.

But it's not surprising really.

a lot of people get it, but because this situation, and many peoples ideals are very imbalanced That's why this situation is bringing out a lot of issues of gender equality Some people are saying this should not have happened just because she is a woman, some are bringing in other factors why it should not have happened, some just aren't looking at all the different factors and conclude that in no circumstances should a woman ever be hit neither of them should have had to experienced what they did. neither of them should have done what they did he will pay for what he did, she won't

No, they're not.

JustErin said:

Stymie said:

Pathetic.

It really is pretty sad that so many seem to not get it.

But it's not surprising really.

Excuse you Erin, but I did agree with what you said back in Reply #5 on page 1 of this thread. Remember?!?

JustErin said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

a lot of people get it, but because this situation, and many peoples ideals are very imbalanced That's why this situation is bringing out a lot of issues of gender equality Some people are saying this should not have happened just because she is a woman, some are bringing in other factors why it should not have happened, some just aren't looking at all the different factors and conclude that in no circumstances should a woman ever be hit neither of them should have had to experienced what they did. neither of them should have done what they did he will pay for what he did, she won't

No, they're not.

Who isn't getting it, and maybe I'm missing what you're saying they should be getting

TonyVanDam said:

the nickname "Tremolina" does NOT sound masculine at all, therefore thinking that you were a female was an honest mistake.

No, that shows your prejudice.

But I accept your apology.

JustErin said:

TonyVanDam said:

That's easy for you to say because you're not a man. And the very fact that the male bus driver threw a hard uppercut was excessive on purpose because he had to prove a point to that woman that no one was going to disrespect him, assault him AND try to make him look like a punk (at the expense of his masculinity no less) in front of everyone on that bus and get away with it. He has too much self-respect to allow her to get away with that bullshit.

Oh shit, y'all!

Only Tony had the courage to say it, Tremmie's not a man!