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Reply #360 posted 10/31/12 4:43am

RodeoSchro

Dave1992 said:

I'm surprised this hasn't been moved to "Politics & Religion" yet.

It hasn't gotten political or religious yet. It's actually been a very good conversation with little sniping, and lots of well-written points of view.

I didn't even mind being called "one of the oldest old geezers". Oldest old - that's really old!

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Reply #361 posted 10/31/12 5:31am

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Does it make a difference is the woman is ugly?
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Reply #362 posted 10/31/12 5:31am

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Does it make a difference is the woman is ugly?
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Reply #363 posted 10/31/12 5:42am

OldFriends4Sal
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RodeoSchro said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

nothing to be mad about, we are not being personal (probably a man thing) we both have different opinions about this, different experiences, Ive seen and experiened things that lead me to my opions at this point in life

there is a change in social climates as far as gender is concerned, things cant be the same as in the old west without taking away womens current rights to vote and hold office, work in any field etc

for men to deal with women as in the Westerns(which have a strong 'romantic' edge) the question to be asked is, are women in 2012 carrying themselves the same as women in the Westerns

there has to be a balance, every woman doesnt want her door opened doesnt want you to pay for her doesnt want a lot of the thing that were considered 'chivalrous'

Ive talked with women of my mothers generation and here are 2 things Ive heard from women and a few older than my mom 1.) never hit a lady -a lady has no business being in a mans face, 2.) (Nancy L. "women are to be seen and not heard")

these are just 2 things coming from ladies from an older generation. There are so many double sided ideas and many that are contradictory to the idea of the equal genders, the independant woman

Have U ever watched any Real House Wives of.. shows or Bad Girls Club? if you havent you should. the level of violence at times, is worse than Ive ever associated with men

http://www.youtube.com/wa...X1GpLmeOBU

(unrestrained agression and in your face threats of violence)

http://www.youtube.com/wa...2hPpn4_Kcw

4:53 MIN (acceptable violence by women) this scene is not considered domestic violence, the cops werent called, there was no shock)

stuff like this is why that women in the original video felt it was ok to spit on the driver and put her hands on him and not expect retaliation

[Edited 10/29/12 19:43pm]

Men of the old West wanted a woman to walk beside them, not behind them. If that's not an expression of equality, I don't know what is. There were women in the old West that ran saloons (which were the always the biggest businesses in town), led cattle drives, operated large working ranches, and didn't shy away from defending their property when raided by Indians or white men. The old West was a lot more equal than you think, but you wouldn't know that if you hadn't read any history on it.

And the Real Housewives?!? LMFAO, c'mon. That's the most staged BS in the world. And hell NO I don't watch that tripe. I question the grasp on reality of anyone that thinks those shows in any way reflect real, unscripted life.

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[Edited 10/31/12 4:45am]

I've watched enough Westerns, good points though

But I don't think that always added up to equal

Walking beside vs behind doesn't equate to equal (that could still represent her as the weaker sex-needing protection etc)

Saloons were very similar to whorehouses

Women did work around the law in many ways, what law there was

Working ranches etc was never a sign of equality, I mean farms ranches gardens etc all the same

in the Pioneering Westerns people were still kinda 'free' in some ways

But M F roles overall were still 'unequal'

But they were not considered equal with men

What I mean about those reality shows is (instigated more than staged) that stuff is real, and I mean that they are allowed to get physical with one another,

the lack of restraint in putting their hands on other people is a reflection of what happens in society

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http://prince.org/msg/105/388981?pg=1

Though the line between fact and imagination is blurred and often difficult to separate, one thing is clear: these women of the Wild West were pioneers in their own way, challenging the traditional roles of women in the 19th century.

[Edited 10/31/12 5:46am]

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Reply #364 posted 10/31/12 8:02am

mynameisnotsus
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Beautifulstarr123 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

courtesy and kindness go a long way

and most of the time bus drivers are treated crappy, lied to, people trying to take advantage and theyre lives are at risk all the time

take a ride with the bus driver from the start of their day and see why they can be nasty and 'unprofessional'

Yep nod

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Locally there have recently a number of vicious attacks against bus drivers and they are not playing anymore. I think in virtually any other siituation you can walk away. He's cornered and driving a damn bus while she is in his face.

However, I DO NOT think it is ever ok to upper cut anyone - man or women. I DO think he should have the right to stop the bus - put his hands on her and throw her ass off the bus if she's acting the fool. Any update on what's actually happening with this case?

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Reply #365 posted 10/31/12 8:29am

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Saloons were not in any way bordellos. They were the gathering spots for the community. They were where information on trail conditions, Indian raids and cattle prices were exchanged.

The bordellos were generally located in houses on the outskirts of town. That's not to say some of the women didn't hang out at the saloons. I'm sure they did because that's where some customers might be. But they usually didn't consummate their business at the saloon. And more often than not, the customers came directly off the trail and went to the bordello before hitting the saloon.

Like I said, READ about the old West. Don't rely on movies to show you what it was like.

Farms, ranches, gardens all the same? LMFAO, not even close. Running a ranch was and is a HUGE job. You've got cattle spread over dozens or likely hundreds of acres. They've got to be herded and made sure not to eat all the grass in any section, or else the grass disappears.

Water is always a concern. You had to learn about irrigation and dams, or you were doomed.

You've got to worry about rustlers, which were always a threat back in the time when there were no fences to stop them. There is NEVER a day off when it comes to running ranch.

Running a cattle drive was the hardest thing of all. First of all, you had to round up all the cattle and separate yours from your neighbor's that had drifted onto your property. Then you had to put road brands on your cattle. And in the early days, they did this without the benefit of cattle pens. Try THAT on for size some time.

The drive itself would take weeks. Just imagine getting 1,000 cattle from point A to point B. How do you keep them together? How do you keep them from stampeding? What about rustlers or worse - outlaws that wanted to take the entire herd? There was no law you could call. Either you defeated the outlaws or you lost everything/got killed, and no one could do anything about it.

Of course, you could be attacked by Indians at any time. They didn't care at all about your cattle. They just wanted to kill you and take your scalp.

Let's say you made it to Dodge or Abilene and sold your cattle. You were paid in gold. Guess what? You had to get that gold back home. You sure weren't going to leave it in Dodge!

As you left Dodge, take a wild guess as to how many outlaws saw you leave and knew you had gold. The trip home could be more dangerous than the drive.

And WOMEN led some of these drives. Not many, but some. Usually it was widows or daughters who suddenly inherited a ranch and a cattle operation. Their outfit expected them to do the job just as they would have expected the husband/father to have done it, and they did. The cowboys couldn't have cared less if the boss was a woman. All that mattered was that the boss knew what to do and did it.

Does any of the above sound different from planting crops, keeping animals away, harvesting what you grew, and selling it in your town or one nearby? I'm not even going to mention the "garden" comparison out of respect to the hard-working men and women of the old West.

In reality, the old West was much different than what your perception of it is.

Bogus "reality" shows have no place in this or any other discussion, unless it's to talk about how stupid and phony they are.

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Reply #366 posted 10/31/12 10:41am

OldFriends4Sal
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RodeoSchro said:

Saloons were not in any way bordellos. They were the gathering spots for the community. They were where information on trail conditions, Indian raids and cattle prices were exchanged.

The bordellos were generally located in houses on the outskirts of town. That's not to say some of the women didn't hang out at the saloons. I'm sure they did because that's where some customers might be. But they usually didn't consummate their business at the saloon. And more often than not, the customers came directly off the trail and went to the bordello before hitting the saloon.

Like I said, READ about the old West. Don't rely on movies to show you what it was like.

Farms, ranches, gardens all the same? LMFAO, not even close. Running a ranch was and is a HUGE job. You've got cattle spread over dozens or likely hundreds of acres. They've got to be herded and made sure not to eat all the grass in any section, or else the grass disappears.

Water is always a concern. You had to learn about irrigation and dams, or you were doomed.

You've got to worry about rustlers, which were always a threat back in the time when there were no fences to stop them. There is NEVER a day off when it comes to running ranch.

Running a cattle drive was the hardest thing of all. First of all, you had to round up all the cattle and separate yours from your neighbor's that had drifted onto your property. Then you had to put road brands on your cattle. And in the early days, they did this without the benefit of cattle pens. Try THAT on for size some time.

The drive itself would take weeks. Just imagine getting 1,000 cattle from point A to point B. How do you keep them together? How do you keep them from stampeding? What about rustlers or worse - outlaws that wanted to take the entire herd? There was no law you could call. Either you defeated the outlaws or you lost everything/got killed, and no one could do anything about it.

Of course, you could be attacked by Indians at any time. They didn't care at all about your cattle. They just wanted to kill you and take your scalp.

Let's say you made it to Dodge or Abilene and sold your cattle. You were paid in gold. Guess what? You had to get that gold back home. You sure weren't going to leave it in Dodge!

As you left Dodge, take a wild guess as to how many outlaws saw you leave and knew you had gold. The trip home could be more dangerous than the drive.

And WOMEN led some of these drives. Not many, but some. Usually it was widows or daughters who suddenly inherited a ranch and a cattle operation. Their outfit expected them to do the job just as they would have expected the husband/father to have done it, and they did. The cowboys couldn't have cared less if the boss was a woman. All that mattered was that the boss knew what to do and did it.

Does any of the above sound different from planting crops, keeping animals away, harvesting what you grew, and selling it in your town or one nearby? I'm not even going to mention the "garden" comparison out of respect to the hard-working men and women of the old West.

In reality, the old West was much different than what your perception of it is.

Bogus "reality" shows have no place in this or any other discussion, unless it's to talk about how stupid and phony they are.

This is what I meant, the Madaam partnered with Saloon owner as well...

By way of entertainment, saloons offered dancing girls, some of whom occasionally or routinely doubled as prostitutes. Many saloons offered Faro, poker, brag, three-card monte, and dice games. Other games were added as saloons continued to prosper and face increasing competition. These additional games included billiards, darts, and bowling. Some saloons even included piano players, can-can girls, and theatrical skits. A current example of this type of entertainment is the Long Branch Variety Show that is presented in the recreated Long Branch Saloon in Dodge City, Kansas.http://en.wikipedia.org/w...ern_saloon

Also you idea of 'Gardens' is probably some small cutesy thing, I meant Orchards though,

Also this discussion is about a woman who had no problem verbally and physically assaulting an older man, and his level of retaliation, What happens on those reality shows is not far from reality. If you've never seen you can't really understand what happens there, physical assaults happen on those shows all the time. I've seen those same assaults on other women (and men) in school 'the playground' clubs and bars.

I posted a video from a movie as well that showed an unprovoked assault on the (ex-boyfriend) 2 punches to the face (Girl Power) it all falls in line with the same mentality that lead that young women to feel it was ok to assault the driver.

And nice info on the Western period, you should do a thread on it

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Reply #367 posted 10/31/12 10:43am

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Rightly said:

Does it make a difference is the woman is ugly?

I bet it would and does for most people, size skin tone/ethnicity, sexual orientation etc

I bet they all come into play

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Reply #368 posted 10/31/12 4:56pm

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Is it ever okay for a man to ignore a female?

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Reply #369 posted 10/31/12 6:18pm

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i'm so a non-violent type of person. however i was raised by a father who said, "if you are bold enough to be a loud and verbally confrontational agressor, or if you aggresively decide to batter someone, expect to get it back in return." "be it a man or a woman."

imo the bus driver had became very angry and acted before he thought. however the female person was an obnoxious acting *sshole who has probably caused this person to loose his job.

imo he should have stood up and yelled as loud as he could and unknowingly use the specialized martial art known as the *"weirding way;aka the voice." he could have knocked a billigerent *itch off his bus, and if his voice didn't knock and throw her off the bus, it would have scared her off.

*like in the move 'dune'. giggle

seriously though a loud as hell yell will make a person think yah might be a bit crazy <img src=" />and back the hell off.

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Reply #370 posted 10/31/12 9:47pm

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mynameisnotsusan said:

Any update on what's actually happening with this case?

Court appearances for both of them scheduled for Election Day (next Tuesday).

"Never let nasty stalkers disrespect you. They start shit, you finish it. Go down to their level, that's the only way they'll understand. You have to handle things yourself."
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Reply #371 posted 11/01/12 1:10am

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Pokeno4Money said:

mynameisnotsusan said:

Any update on what's actually happening with this case?

Court appearances for both of them scheduled for Election Day (next Tuesday).

They look like they should be dating each other instead of fighting each other.

Rest in Peace Bettie Boo. See u soon.
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Reply #372 posted 11/03/12 4:49pm

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Reply #373 posted 11/03/12 7:02pm

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pc *watches video* eek Ooooh!!! Yeah, she totally deserved that. I hate seeing trifling people get loud and nobody does anything about it. I would have written a letter to his boss demanding that he be allowed to keep his job for taking out this trashy heffa. In this video, this wasn't even about man and woman to me, this was one person with no proper hometraining being a verbally and physcially abusive asshole resulting in her getting a crash course in Respect 101.

There's another video of this incident from a different angle and from when the fight actually started. She had been going at that driver for a bit before he shut her mouth with his fist. Even after he hit her and threw her ass off the bus, this chick came back for more. I don't feel sorry for instigators whether they are male or female and she was an instigator who got what she deserved IMHO. If you're gonna talk shit, be prepared for the possibility that you may have your teeth knocked out because some people won't tolerate that nonsense. She was just trying to hide behind her vagina by believing that it was going to allow her to talk mess and keep her from getting punched....yeah, nope. lol Sooo tired of females thinking they can yell and hit men and nothing will happen. rolleyes If he can't do this, than she shouldn't be allowed to do it either. Double standards are bullshit no matter who benefits from them.

If a person is going to be verbally disrespectful and then have the audacity to put their hands on you, you have the right to defend yourself. I don't care if it's a woman defending herself against a man or a man defending himself against a woman...hell, if a 12 year old puts his/her hand on me, I'm gonna beat the respect into them like their parents should have done. Kids can kill you just like adults can so I'll take a tween out if they come at me wrong, I don't give a damn. Some of these kids are bigger than me thanks to all the hormones they put in food nowadays. So, to answer the question 'Is it ever okay for a man to punch a female?' Based on this video, that would be a 'hell yeah!!' from me.

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Reply #374 posted 11/06/12 9:53am

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Uppercut Bus Driver
FIRED
You Broke the Rules

Breaking News


**WARNING -- VIDEO CONTAINS REALLY BAD LANGUAGE**

The Cleveland bus driver who fired back at an aggressive female passenger with a FEROCIOUS uppercut to the face ... has been fired by his bus company.

The Greater Cleveland Regional Transit Authority has announced ... Artis Hughes was terminated from his job ... for not following policy after he was assaulted by the passenger back in September.

In a statement, the RTA explains ... "Mr. Hughes claims that his actions were in self-defense. The evidence does not support that claim."

"We expect our employees to diffuse any potential situation. We do not believe that Mr. Hughes took the proper steps to diffuse this situation."

"The proper procedure would have been to pull over and stop the bus, then call Transit Police for assistance."

However, RTA does say ... "The customer was out of line and charges have been filed against her."

During the attack, the bus driver had warned the woman ... "You want to act like a man, I'll treat you like a man."

So far, no comment from the bus driver.


Read more: http://www.tmz.com#ixzz2BSxJvxuI
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Reply #375 posted 11/06/12 8:07pm

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banks said:

sad





Uppercut Bus Driver
FIRED
You Broke the Rules



Breaking News



**WARNING -- VIDEO CONTAINS REALLY BAD LANGUAGE**

The Cleveland bus driver who fired back at an aggressive female passenger with a FEROCIOUS uppercut to the face ... has been fired by his bus company.

The Greater Cleveland Regional Transit Authority has announced ... Artis Hughes was terminated from his job ... for not following policy after he was assaulted by the passenger back in September.

In a statement, the RTA explains ... "Mr. Hughes claims that his actions were in self-defense. The evidence does not support that claim."

"We expect our employees to diffuse any potential situation. We do not believe that Mr. Hughes took the proper steps to diffuse this situation."

"The proper procedure would have been to pull over and stop the bus, then call Transit Police for assistance."

However, RTA does say ... "The customer was out of line and charges have been filed against her."

During the attack, the bus driver had warned the woman ... "You want to act like a man, I'll treat you like a man."

So far, no comment from the bus driver.



Read more: http://www.tmz.com#ixzz2BSxJvxuI
what did I say? I guess it may be worth it to some of you that he lost his job.
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Reply #376 posted 11/07/12 4:43am

Beautifulstarr
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Stymie said:

banks said:

sad

Uppercut Bus Driver
FIRED
You Broke the Rules

Breaking News


**WARNING -- VIDEO CONTAINS REALLY BAD LANGUAGE**

The Cleveland bus driver who fired back at an aggressive female passenger with a FEROCIOUS uppercut to the face ... has been fired by his bus company.

The Greater Cleveland Regional Transit Authority has announced ... Artis Hughes was terminated from his job ... for not following policy after he was assaulted by the passenger back in September.

In a statement, the RTA explains ... "Mr. Hughes claims that his actions were in self-defense. The evidence does not support that claim."

"We expect our employees to diffuse any potential situation. We do not believe that Mr. Hughes took the proper steps to diffuse this situation."

"The proper procedure would have been to pull over and stop the bus, then call Transit Police for assistance."

However, RTA does say ... "The customer was out of line and charges have been filed against her."

During the attack, the bus driver had warned the woman ... "You want to act like a man, I'll treat you like a man."

So far, no comment from the bus driver.


Read more: http://www.tmz.com#ixzz2BSxJvxuI
what did I say? I guess it may be worth it to some of you that he lost his job.

You said stop the bus, and call the police. That, he should have done, though she was dead wrong.

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