Eye only ever did this when eye was a kiddie....My mum would enter me in every fancy dress competition there was....Looking back it could b seen as abuse... .....Alot of my friends go out now dressed as all kinds of stuff,they r so brave...Eye just wont do it 4 fear of piss takers....Eye dont want 2 kick the shit out of some1 dressed as BuzzLightYear and 4 the police 2 throw Buzz in the back of a van.

Im sure many of u have pics of u all dressed up.....Lets see um...

Eye will post a picture of me dressed up as some kind of Zulu warrior....Fuck me my mum was cruel doing that 2 me at 6....Feel free 2 take the piss...

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I never did fancy dress but then again I only lived in the UK for four years. Being an American, whenever I heard someone talking about a fancy dress party, I expected them to be dressed up in fancy clothes, not costumes.

Ok, that is all I have to contribute.

Shanti0608 said:

I never did fancy dress but then again I only lived in the UK for four years. Being an American, whenever I heard someone talking about a fancy dress party, I expected them to be dressed up in fancy clothes, not costumes.

Ok, that is all I have to contribute.

No pictures of u as a sexy nurse shanti.....How disapointing....

I dressed up as Dweezil Zappa once

it's a long time obsession, I was 15 in this photo and just the other night I dreamt I was a man and I hugged Dweezil hard and tight until we both had hard-ons

ZombieKitten said:

I dressed up as Dweezil Zappa once

it's a long time obsession, I was 15 in this photo and just the other night I dreamt I was a man and I hugged Dweezil hard and tight until we both had hard-ons

Thats a great pic ....eye thought it was Sid Vicious....

Shanti0608 said:

I never did fancy dress but then again I only lived in the UK for four years. Being an American, whenever I heard someone talking about a fancy dress party, I expected them to be dressed up in fancy clothes, not costumes.

Ok, that is all I have to contribute.

Yeah...when I first read this, I was expecting pics of Orgers in their Sunday best!

davetherave6767 said:

ZombieKitten said:

I dressed up as Dweezil Zappa once

it's a long time obsession, I was 15 in this photo and just the other night I dreamt I was a man and I hugged Dweezil hard and tight until we both had hard-ons

Thats a great pic ....eye thought it was Sid Vicious....

the hair is more Sid than Dweez

PurpleJedi said:

Shanti0608 said:

I never did fancy dress but then again I only lived in the UK for four years. Being an American, whenever I heard someone talking about a fancy dress party, I expected them to be dressed up in fancy clothes, not costumes.

Ok, that is all I have to contribute.

Yeah...when I first read this, I was expecting pics of Orgers in their Sunday best!

Exactly.

No, only times I ever dressed up was for Halloween. Once I dressed up as an Amish boy and I also dressed up as John Taylor from Duran Duran once.

Since ZK was brave. (pic was taken in my best friends room)

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Shanti0608 said:

PurpleJedi said:

Yeah...when I first read this, I was expecting pics of Orgers in their Sunday best!

Exactly.

No, only times I ever dressed up was for Halloween. Once I dressed up as an Amish boy and I also dressed up as John Taylor from Duran Duran once.

I don't think that I have any pics of me in a Halloween costume as a kid.

But as a teen I handmade a Gemini costume (you know...Batman/Joker from Prince's Batdance video) for a party.

I may have a picture of that somewhere...

Shanti0608 said:

PurpleJedi said:

Yeah...when I first read this, I was expecting pics of Orgers in their Sunday best!

Exactly.

No, only times I ever dressed up was for Halloween. Once I dressed up as an Amish boy and I also dressed up as John Taylor from Duran Duran once.

Since ZK was brave. (pic was taken in my best friends room)

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That room is amazing.....My room was the same only Adam Ant on the walls....

Shanti0608 said:

PurpleJedi said:

Yeah...when I first read this, I was expecting pics of Orgers in their Sunday best!

Exactly.

No, only times I ever dressed up was for Halloween. Once I dressed up as an Amish boy and I also dressed up as John Taylor from Duran Duran once.

Since ZK was brave. (pic was taken in my best friends room)

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Nice.

Question - did your friend like Duran Duran?

StonedImmaculate said:

Shanti0608 said:

Exactly.

No, only times I ever dressed up was for Halloween. Once I dressed up as an Amish boy and I also dressed up as John Taylor from Duran Duran once.

Since ZK was brave. (pic was taken in my best friends room)

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Nice.

Question - did your friend like Duran Duran?

Just a little.

I was a fan of Nick Rhodes but he was not plastered on my walls.

Shanti0608 said:

StonedImmaculate said:

Nice.

Question - did your friend like Duran Duran?

Just a little.

I was a fan of Nick Rhodes but he was not plastered on my walls.

I always dug Duran Duran but my cousin Donna was OBSESSED with them!

I remember me and her brother having the MJ vs. Prince argument with my aunt back around '84/'85. Donna chimed in with "Duran Duran is better than both of them!"

Me and her brother threw ice cubes at her.

Shanti0608 said:

PurpleJedi said:

Yeah...when I first read this, I was expecting pics of Orgers in their Sunday best!

Exactly.

No, only times I ever dressed up was for Halloween. Once I dressed up as an Amish boy and I also dressed up as John Taylor from Duran Duran once.

Since ZK was brave. (pic was taken in my best friends room)

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Wow she must have really love Duran Duran Lol. I love the look of this pic, it captures the 80s look

davetherave6767 said:

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if that is a kid in black face david, that is a racist photo

and I suppose my photo is sexist

ZombieKitten said:

and I suppose my photo is sexist

no, you just needed to do a unibrow to complete the dweezil ensemble

BlackAdder7 said:

ZombieKitten said:

and I suppose my photo is sexist

no, you just needed to do a unibrow to complete the dweezil ensemble

um no, I had to bind down my DDs and give myself a 5 o'clock shadow with charcoal as well

BlackAdder7 said:

davetherave6767 said:

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if that is a kid in black face david, that is a racist photo

Have no idea what u mean.... ....Eye came 1st that day..... ...Dont b a partyPoop(again).

BlackAdder7 said:

davetherave6767 said:

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if that is a kid in black face david, that is a racist photo

Ok, this may be a touchy subject. And: maybe I am ignorant and in the wrong. If so, please tell me.

However, I saw the photo and what I saw was indeed a kid in a black face. Specifically: I saw a kid, I presume it was davetherave, dressed up like a zulu warrior (or the cliche of one). Why is this racist and why is it snipped?

davetherave6767 said:

hendrikus said:

BlackAdder7 said:

if that is a kid in black face david, that is a racist photo

Ok, this may be a touchy subject. And: maybe I am ignorant and in the wrong. If so, please tell me.

However, I saw the photo and what I saw was indeed a kid in a black face. Specifically: I saw a kid, I presume it was davetherave, dressed up like a zulu warrior (or the cliche of one). Why is this racist and why is it snipped?

It's what the image represents that poses a problem. I thought this article might help. I'm actually black Ameriican and could go into more detail, but this is a subject I find fatiguing, and I think at the risk of hijacking dave's thread or getting this moved to the P&R forum, this may be the easiest way to explain.

http://www.crikey.com.au

What’s all the fuss about ‘blackface’?

The portrayal of black people in these shows depicted them as “buffoonish, lazy, superstitious ‘coons’ who were thieves, pathological liars and lascivious devils bent on destroying white female purity”.

These were not light-hearted skits referencing black culture, “blackface” theatre depicted black people in “a degrading manner under the auspices of being accurate portrayals of black people”.

Jim Crow  — a “blackface” symbol of racism

Offense taken toward “blackface” skits is not just spawned by the defamatory, degrading portrayal of black people in American theatre back in the 1800’s. Rather, “blackface” theatre represents the decades of the racial oppression that cast a dark shadow over American history.

Take, for example, one of the most popular “Blackface” characters, Jim Crow. Created by actor Thomas D. Rice, Jim Crow was a “stable slave who sang a “negro ditty” titled Jump Jim Crow”. While Rice’s character was not as offensive as other “Blackface” characters of the time, the name Jim Crow is now synonymous with the Jim Crow laws, a racial caste system which saw legally imposed segregationbetween black and white people across many parts of America.

A history of “blackface” from the Spike Lee film Bamboozled:

Other sources that may be of interest:

http://wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackface

http://www.black-face.com/

I hope this will shed some light on the subject to help you understand why the photo was offensive. Particularly as we are on a site devoted to a black American artist born in 1950's Pre-Civil Rights America, to parents from the brutally violent Jim Crow south (Louisiana).

I understand that this is a touchy subject, especially around here.

But if Dave dressed up as a Zulu warrior is considerd racist, or any white person dressed up as a black person for that matter, would you classify this also as being racist?

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Dave has been banned for posting that photograph of himself as a child. He lives in the UK and doesn't know the history behind blackface. I don't think he posted the photo to inflame or bait.

We might need to put that into org rules - expanding on the racist comments part to include and explain blackface explicitly and specifically to those who live outside of the USA - perhaps some of Ottie's links could go in there - and explain the posting such a pic will earn an instant suspension/ban because of the inflammatory nature and offense it causes.

I learned about the term and the history here on the org.

Surely warning Dave and explaining the cultural significance of what he posted would have been a better way to handle this...?

I'm guessing there was no malice intended in his post?

Personally, I have never heard of this blackface thing. I understand that, back then, with the way people handled it and thought about it, it was wrong.

Nowadays, though, at least the educated amongst us, should have moved on from this terribly stupid concept called "race". I understand that racism still exists and that it can cause a lot of trouble, but here, on the org, when davetherave posts a pic of himself, it cannot be a crime, because his intentions surely weren't racist.

Of course, everybody tries to get to know people and their humour before making "dangerous" jokes, but when surrounded by educated, free-thinking, creative people, playing with racial jokes can actually break these barriers that militant anti-racism created in the first place. I have a black friend, and together we laugh about what's typically "black", typally "white" and typically "jewish" (I am white and have jewish grandparents, for the record), even though we know that such things are an illusion and actually do not exist in reality. It's called white humour (ha ha ha).

People, don't get stuck in trying to look for racism when there is none. It actually makes you more racist than the other person, who probably didn't even intend to hurt anyone's feelings.

But I remember having a similar discussion on another thread a couple of weeks ago and it led me to think that sensible thinking is useless on here...

RicoN said:

Surely warning Dave and explaining the cultural significance of what he posted would have been a better way to handle this...?

I'm guessing there was no malice intended in his post?

But that requires an explantion written in full sentences. Banning is easier I guess.

MacDaddy said:

RicoN said:

Surely warning Dave and explaining the cultural significance of what he posted would have been a better way to handle this...?

I'm guessing there was no malice intended in his post?

But that requires an explantion written in full sentences. Banning is easier I guess.

See how easy it is? -->

I saw the pic. He was dressed as a little tribal boy. Interesting that he got a ban for that. I hope no one dressed their child as a Native American Indian this Halloween.

This site really needs to just be for American's that have never left the country, then their would less banning.

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