Paris9748430 said:

phunkdaddy said:

True. It would have been nice to see him in the Finals against Houston one

of those years and that's not to say MJ wouldn't have won.

He didn't face one in the Finals, but the Bulls did in the Eastern Conference Playoffs. He had to go up against Ewing and the Knicks and a Young Shaq in Orlando.

That's the other thing - MJ never faced a team with 2 HOF in the East playoffs. MJ had the most complete SF ever in HOFer Pippen. Ewing had who? Shaq had who? Now, it's not anyone's fault, I'm just pointing out the facts. It is what it is.

phunkdaddy said:

RebirthOfCool said:

What does you being a Knick fan have to do with claiming Kobe ain't even on MJ's level? You can hate the dude but still be caught up in the "MJ era".

And Barry is the GOAT. Had Barry played in Jim's era - 2,700 YDS EVERY DAMN SEASON .

Now i agree with you on Kobe being on MJ's level but Barry Sanders being the GOAT.

Hell to the naw. Now he was a great back but i would have even taken Emmitt over him

and i'm not a Cowboys fan in no way shape or form. And he wasn't the greatest either.

Barry was good at hitting the home run play but he often would get hit in the backfield

for a loss. Barry wasn't a chain mover the way Emmitt was but he would always make

that spectacular play. Emmitt could do both and was a much better blocker than Sanders.

Emmitt was just a better all around runner than Barry. For the record as far as running backs

i've seen play in my lifetime, Walter Payton was the best. My favorite to watch was Eric Dickerson. If he wouldn't have played prima donna with the Rams he would've have broken all of Payton's records first. Eric Dickerson was so smooth he looked like he was jogging while defenders chased him.

On the real, I feel you completely. What I did was look at what Barry did WITHOUT A FB, A GREAT O LINE AND IN THE FREAKIN' RUN & SHOOT! . That's what makes Barry's career amazing. Emmit had the greatest O line in NFL history most of his career, so that has to be noted. Emmitt was great, but Barry was greater. Imagine Barry playing behind Dallas' ridiculously bomb O line? 3,000 yeard season. I truly believe that.

Payton was a beast. It's always hard to pick between him and Barry for me. ED was tight, thing is, whenever he would run and the pursuit had the angle on him, he never met a sideline he didn't like .

Graycap23 said:

RebirthOfCool said:

Not sure what your point is? No one's asking that question. No one's disputing that at all. All I'm saying is that it's fact that MJ never faced a great center in the NBA Finals. Fact.

Fact.............so what.

It is what it is. Fact. No way around that. Fact.

RebirthOfCool said:

Graycap23 said:

Fact.............so what.

It is what it is. Fact. No way around that. Fact.

What is your point? Jordan NEVER lost a championship.................so what makes u think a so call "center" would have mattered? The man was 9-0 in championship rounds.

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uPtoWnNY said:

Michael Jordan would have had a better performamce than Kobe did in that Game 7. Not hatin', just sayin'....

Jordan is one of the top two greatest NBA players of all time. I can't put Kobe there - above Oscar, Kareem, Magic, Bird, West? Hell no!!!

Kobe stans are just as nutty as Jordan stans. I see this nonsense at other sites, and it's mostly younger cats.

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What Game 7? Also, you're going off one game? Come on. Also, I don't lump players that play different positions in the GOAT convo. I pick position by position. But I do laugh at you putting Jerry West ahead of Kobe. Miss me with that "hateratory" nonsense.

Graycap23 said:

RebirthOfCool said:

It is what it is. Fact. No way around that. Fact.

What is your point? Jordan NEVER lost a championship.................so what makes u think a so call "center" would have mattered? The man was 9-0 in championship rounds.

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My point was made. MJ never faced a dominant center in the NBA finals. Fact. That can never be argued. Ever. It is what it is. It will never be anything else but fact. Forever. For always. For love . And if you don't think a dominant center like the most skilled center of all time - Hakeem Olajuwon - "wouldn't have mattered" then your love for MJ goes beyond all logic.

SIDENOTE: I love this shit! I wish all of us were at one of our crib's having this convo. This is the shit! I miss talking sports with cats that know and love the game, even if there's some smack talk intertwined every now and then!

TonyVanDam said:

SCNDLS said:

All I got to say is . . . what took ya'll mofos so long???

It's more my fault. I just had to prove my point in telling them why Michael is greater than Wilt (IMO).

RebirthOfCool said:

Graycap23 said:

Kobe may very well be the 2nd best SG of all-time....................that is NOT hate.

First off, there is no "may" about it, he is. Secondly, skill-wise, he's surpassed MJ. Thirdly, I'd rank him ahead of MJ.

Oh damn, that's gon' leave a mark

RebirthOfCool said:

SCNDLS said:

All I got to say is . . . what took ya'll mofos so long???

I got stuck on the freeway.

Better late than never . . .

babynoz said:

SCNDLS said:

All I got to say is . . . what took ya'll mofos so long???

Scoot over sis...

Chicken wang?

Thanks hun. I also brought some for a few

RebirthOfCool said:

phunkdaddy said:

True. It would have been nice to see him in the Finals against Houston one

of those years and that's not to say MJ wouldn't have won.

That's the one finals I've always wanted to see - MJ vs Dream.

RebirthOfCool said:

SIDENOTE: I love this shit! I wish all of us were at one of our crib's having this convo. This is the shit! I miss talking sports with cats that know and love the game, even if there's some smack talk intertwined every now and then!

And while ya'll are arguing and getting red in the face, I'll be the one steady instigatin'!

Graycap23 said:

RebirthOfCool said:

It is what it is. Fact. No way around that. Fact.

What is your point? Jordan NEVER lost a championship.................so what makes u think a so call "center" would have mattered? The man was 9-0 in championship rounds.

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Michael Jordan had a losing record against the Houston Rockets over the course of his career. I don't think the Bulls ever did better in any year than break even against the Rockets.

We'll never know who would have won in '94 or '95 but I sure would have loved to have seen them play.

SCNDLS said:

RebirthOfCool said:

That's the one finals I've always wanted to see - MJ vs Dream.

I'll catch heat for saying this, but the best basketball I ever saw any human play was played by Hakeem Olajuwon during 1992 - 1995. And mainly in '93-'94.

SCNDLS said:

RebirthOfCool said:

First off, there is no "may" about it, he is. Secondly, skill-wise, he's surpassed MJ. Thirdly, I'd rank him ahead of MJ.

Oh damn, that's gon' leave a mark

SCNDLS said:

RebirthOfCool said:

I got stuck on the freeway.

Better late than never . . .

SCNDLS said:

RebirthOfCool said:

SIDENOTE: I love this shit! I wish all of us were at one of our crib's having this convo. This is the shit! I miss talking sports with cats that know and love the game, even if there's some smack talk intertwined every now and then!

And while ya'll are arguing and getting red in the face, I'll be the one steady instigatin'!

I see!

RebirthOfCool said:

Graycap23 said:

What is your point? Jordan NEVER lost a championship.................so what makes u think a so call "center" would have mattered? The man was 9-0 in championship rounds.

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My point was made. MJ never faced a dominant center in the NBA finals. Fact. That can never be argued. Ever. It is what it is. It will never be anything else but fact. Forever. For always. For love . And if you don't think a dominant center like the most skilled center of all time - Hakeem Olajuwon - "wouldn't have mattered" then your love for MJ goes beyond all logic.

lol...............your dominent center won 2 titles when Jordan was out of the league. I suggest u take a look at YOUR logic.

RebirthOfCool said:

Paris9748430 said:

He didn't face one in the Finals, but the Bulls did in the Eastern Conference Playoffs. He had to go up against Ewing and the Knicks and a Young Shaq in Orlando.

That's the other thing - MJ never faced a team with 2 HOF in the East playoffs. MJ had the most complete SF ever in HOFer Pippen. Ewing had who? Shaq had who? Now, it's not anyone's fault, I'm just pointing out the facts. It is what it is.

Don't 4get this FACT. 6 titles in a row his last 6 full seasons with the Bulls.

Graycap23 said:

RebirthOfCool said:

My point was made. MJ never faced a dominant center in the NBA finals. Fact. That can never be argued. Ever. It is what it is. It will never be anything else but fact. Forever. For always. For love . And if you don't think a dominant center like the most skilled center of all time - Hakeem Olajuwon - "wouldn't have mattered" then your love for MJ goes beyond all logic.

lol...............your dominent center won 2 titles when Jordan was out of the league. I suggest u take a look at YOUR logic.

And your MJ never beat a dominant center in the finals, because he never faced one. That's the wash here. I know it pisses all MJsexuals off, but it's fact.

Graycap23 said:

RebirthOfCool said:

That's the other thing - MJ never faced a team with 2 HOF in the East playoffs. MJ had the most complete SF ever in HOFer Pippen. Ewing had who? Shaq had who? Now, it's not anyone's fault, I'm just pointing out the facts. It is what it is.

Don't 4get this FACT. 6 titles in a row his last 6 full seasons with the Bulls.

And yet he STILL never faced another Eastern Conference team in the playoffs that had 2 HOFers. Don't mind me, I'm just the messenger! More facts! .

Graycap23 said:

RebirthOfCool said:

My point was made. MJ never faced a dominant center in the NBA finals. Fact. That can never be argued. Ever. It is what it is. It will never be anything else but fact. Forever. For always. For love . And if you don't think a dominant center like the most skilled center of all time - Hakeem Olajuwon - "wouldn't have mattered" then your love for MJ goes beyond all logic.

lol...............your dominent center won 2 titles when Jordan was out of the league. I suggest u take a look at YOUR logic.

Watch out now, Gray opening up a can o' whup ass up in HERRE!

SCNDLS said:

Graycap23 said:

lol...............your dominent center won 2 titles when Jordan was out of the league. I suggest u take a look at YOUR logic.

Watch out now, Gray opening up a can o' whup ass up in HERRE!

RebirthOfCool said:

Graycap23 said:

lol...............your dominent center won 2 titles when Jordan was out of the league. I suggest u take a look at YOUR logic.

And your MJ never beat a dominant center in the finals, because he never faced one. That's the wash here. I know it pisses all MJsexuals off, but it's fact.

I never won the lottery because I did not get 6 numbers..........

RebirthOfCool said:

SCNDLS said:

Watch out now, Gray opening up a can o' whup ass up in HERRE!

I just KNOW you ain't gon' let him get away with insulting your logic like that.

RebirthOfCool said:

Graycap23 said:

Don't 4get this FACT. 6 titles in a row his last 6 full seasons with the Bulls.

And yet he STILL never faced another Eastern Conference team in the playoffs that had 2 HOFers. Don't mind me, I'm just the messenger! More facts! .

Question. How dominent could the centers have been.............if they never made it 2 the Finals 2 face Jordan? 6 seasons is a row?

Graycap23 said:

RebirthOfCool said:

And your MJ never beat a dominant center in the finals, because he never faced one. That's the wash here. I know it pisses all MJsexuals off, but it's fact.

I never won the lottery because I did not get 6 numbers..........

True. And that's a fact. See how facts work? They're true. Just like this fact: MJ never faced a dominant center in the NBA finals. Or this fact: MJ never faced an Eastern playoff team that had 2 HOFers. See, facts are fun.

Graycap23 said:

RebirthOfCool said:

And yet he STILL never faced another Eastern Conference team in the playoffs that had 2 HOFers. Don't mind me, I'm just the messenger! More facts! .

Question. How dominent could the centers have been.............if they never made it 2 the Finals 2 face Jordan? 6 seasons is a row?

OUCH!!!

Graycap23 said:

RebirthOfCool said:

And yet he STILL never faced another Eastern Conference team in the playoffs that had 2 HOFers. Don't mind me, I'm just the messenger! More facts! .

Question. How dominent could the centers have been.............if they never made it 2 the Finals 2 face Jordan? 6 seasons is a row?

Just because their TEAM didn't make it doesn't mean the center himself wasn't dominant. Shaq beat MJ one year, and he didn't even have another HOF next to him. Now I have to tell you, I just set you up because I already see your response coming.