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Reply #360 posted 01/30/19 7:58pm

Free2BMe

alphastreet said:

Didn’t Safechuck and his family praise Michael and/or refute what’s in the book at some point? I’m sure there were photos from bad era shared with mike being praised few years ago
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Yes! He publicly praised MJ and even did some type of written deposition. He recently came up with these allegations after being recruited by Robson. Both now share the same corrupt lawyer. This is all about $$$.Both are broke SOB’s who want money without working for it.
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Reply #361 posted 01/30/19 8:20pm

SoulAlive

This documentary is absolutely pointless.These guys have no real proof (evidence) and Wade,in particular,has zero credibility.Furthermore,Michael is dead so there’s no way that he can answer/defend himself.You can’t go after a dead man.So really,what is the purpose of this documentary? hmmm I think these are just liars who are looking for some attention and fame.I hope they enjoy their 15 minutes in the spotlight rolleyes
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Reply #362 posted 01/30/19 11:12pm

RODSERLING

Free2BMe said:[quote]

RODSERLING said:

Cloudbuster said:



RODSERLING said:


People will look into the Chandler case again, and many embarrassing facts will appear that will throw doubts among the strongest fans


Or maybe not considering that Evan Chandler is on tape explaing his extortion plan.
And that Jordy Chandler got legal emancipation from his parents because of what they made him do.


And that Jordy's mother admitted at Jackson's trial that she hadn't seen her son for 11 years and that at no time did she feel that Jackson was a threat to her son.

Evan Chandler started this mess, thank fuck the cunt is dead.



Evan Chandler only explains he wants to take revenge.
That could well be a revenge because MJ raped his child


“Chandler didn’t want revenge, he wanted money to destroy Michael. I don’t know about you, but there is no fucking way, I would have allowed my child’s purported abuser to get away and not file criminal charges. Do you know this son of a bitch NEVER filed criminal charges against Michael. He only filed civil charges, because that’s all he wanted anyway. The settlement(which was paid by an insurance company, because Michael refused to pay a penny) did NOT stop Chandler from filing criminal charges. Of course, Chandler didn’t want a trial, because he knew that Michael never abused Jordan. He took the settlement. Now answer me, would you allowed your son/daughter’s abuser to get away? I would have gone through hell to get my child’s abuser put away. That tape of Chandler saying that if “ I go through with this...he won’t sell another record and I win big”,and then laughing about it? Where on that tale do you hear outrage about his son being raped?
People like you always have an excuse, why you WANT to find Michael guilty.
Do you even know that Jordan Chandler ended up hating his father for what he forced him into doing.He didn’t end up hating Michael. Jordan asked for emancipation from both his mother and father because of their involvement in this scam. Chandler even tried to kill Jordan. It was in the news everywhere. Evan Chandler committed suicide. I guess his conscience fucked him up over the evil deeds toward Michael. When June Chandler was callec to testify, she couldn’t even look at Michael and geared up because she knew 100% that she had gone along with this scam. She also added that she hadn’t heard from or seen her son in 11 years.
Do you need anymore proof the 1993 accusations were as much bullsit as the 2005 and the latest scam. As I have repeatedly said, you don’t have to be a genius, to know that these allegations are a load of shit. All you have to do is use common sense.”

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What MJ did with Jordan Chandler was morally wrong, and this embarrassing situation needed to be stopped.

MJ destroyed the Chandler family.

“ That’s a LIE. June and Evan were already going through a divorce before Michael was even involved with this family. Evan Chandler destroyed this family with his greed and by forcing his son to lie with the use of drug by planting things in his psyche. Read the article “ Was Michael Jackson Framed? You will find out everything that you need to know about this scam. It will definently give you FACTs, instead of the innuendo and gossip that you have been posting in this thread.”
Anybody who thinks that what Michael did with Jordan is normal, needs to consult a psychologist.
Jordan Chandler was not a sick child in terminal phase, he wasn't an orphan, he wasn't poor. He didn't need MJ in his life, and MJ had no reason to take care of him.

“ The only thing wrong is Michael was too trusting. June Chandler wanted Michael in her and children’s life. Have you seen the footage of June’s smile when he was holding her hand as she and her children were moving through the crowds. Michael was taking care of June and her kids because he wanted her. Evan Chandler couldn’t handle he fact that his ex wife wanted to be around Michael instead of him. June aggrevated things by not allowing Jordan to visit his father on visitation days. Chandler blamed Michael for that. Chandler tried to reconcile with June, but she wasn’t having that. Honestly, who would want Evan Chandler after being with Michael Jackson. Bottomline s that Evan Chandler fucked up his own family because of greed, jealousy and egomania. That’s why his own son didn’t want to have anything to do with him after the false accusations. That’s why Jordan has not spoken to his mother in over 20 yeRs. June only went along with this because she was threatened with losing custody of both of her children if she didn’t go along with thIs scam of E Chandler. Jordan never forgave his mother or father. However, I still think he is a fucking coward for not coming forward to rebuke these accusations.

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Of course June and Evan were already divorced, but Jordan was on the custody of his parents.
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Everything turned into shit after the allegations.
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If Michael behaved like he did with my kid, offering gifts I can t afford, bringing him on tour, doing pajamas parties, calling him on the phone every day, I would have probably sue him too for harassment.
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I m sure MJ never molested the child, but no need to go to this point to be considered guilty morally and legally.
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Remember that when Evan threatened Michael to break his carreer if he didn't produce his movie,etc., Michael acted like he didn't care and still wanted to see the child.
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If MJ had an artistic collaboration with Jordan, like I don't know, chorist on the tour, why not.
If it were a poor, sick or burned child, why not giving him some joy and happiness in this sad world. But it wasn't the case and there was no real reason for Michael to do that.
.
The Chandler case is really different from the Arvizo case, Michael pushed the boundaries way too far to not be highly suspicious. MJ was a smart man and lead his carreer and music in a very serious way. He knew more than anybody how much it could hurt for a child to not have a normal childhood.
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But he completely lost the ground with Jordan Chandler, so why was he ready to endanger his carreer, to risk legal problems and to hurt psychologically the child ? Because that's exactly what he did.
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Another thing is disturbing, and I hope you would explain that to me : how the hell could Jordan describe MJ s penis? Because according to Taraborelly, the description Jordan did concurred with the photos taken by the police.
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I guess he saw MJ piss or something like that, but this is really embarrassing
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Reply #363 posted 01/31/19 12:04am

PeteSilas

PatrickS77 said:

Here is an amazing response on Quora by a person called Marina Gkane that really sums up everything there is to know about Robson and the current situation:

https://www.quora.com/How...-Neverland

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pretty much, anyone who thinks this is just so simple as to release a docu and make it fact that Mike is a molestor is dumber than shit. there is plenty of evidence of shakedowns, plenty.

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Reply #364 posted 01/31/19 12:09am

PeteSilas

Tuls101 said:

I'm a lifelong MJ fan but this is a lot! Like many have said, it feels like they're treading the same ground just being more graphic with the descriptions. Of course I'll reserve full judgement until after I see the film. Based on reading up on '05 trial and the history of the families of the accusers, I've always felt Michael was the victim. There's one thing though that I've never been clear on and I hear mixed things about it......Going back to '93 and Jordan drawing/identifying blemishes/discoloration on MJ's penis. Is that true or not?? If so, how can that possibly be explained??

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it seems to be both, he supposedly had the markings correct but he missed that mike wasn't circumcised so depends (like most of this case) on who you listen to.

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Reply #365 posted 01/31/19 3:13am

Free2BMe

RODSERLING said:

Free2BMe said:



Evan Chandler only explains he wants to take revenge.
That could well be a revenge because MJ raped his child


“Chandler didn’t want revenge, he wanted money to destroy Michael. I don’t know about you, but there is no fucking way, I would have allowed my child’s purported abuser to get away and not file criminal charges. Do you know this son of a bitch NEVER filed criminal charges against Michael. He only filed civil charges, because that’s all he wanted anyway. The settlement(which was paid by an insurance company, because Michael refused to pay a penny) did NOT stop Chandler from filing criminal charges. Of course, Chandler didn’t want a trial, because he knew that Michael never abused Jordan. He took the settlement. Now answer me, would you allowed your son/daughter’s abuser to get away? I would have gone through hell to get my child’s abuser put away. That tape of Chandler saying that if “ I go through with this...he won’t sell another record and I win big”,and then laughing about it? Where on that tale do you hear outrage about his son being raped?
People like you always have an excuse, why you WANT to find Michael guilty.
Do you even know that Jordan Chandler ended up hating his father for what he forced him into doing.He didn’t end up hating Michael. Jordan asked for emancipation from both his mother and father because of their involvement in this scam. Chandler even tried to kill Jordan. It was in the news everywhere. Evan Chandler committed suicide. I guess his conscience fucked him up over the evil deeds toward Michael. When June Chandler was callec to testify, she couldn’t even look at Michael and geared up because she knew 100% that she had gone along with this scam. She also added that she hadn’t heard from or seen her son in 11 years.
Do you need anymore proof the 1993 accusations were as much bullsit as the 2005 and the latest scam. As I have repeatedly said, you don’t have to be a genius, to know that these allegations are a load of shit. All you have to do is use common sense.”

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What MJ did with Jordan Chandler was morally wrong, and this embarrassing situation needed to be stopped.
H

MJ destroyed the Chandler family.

“ That’s a LIE. June and Evan were already going through a divorce before Michael was even involved with this family. Evan Chandler destroyed this family with his greed and by forcing his son to lie with the use of drug by planting things in his psyche. Read the article “ Was Michael Jackson Framed? You will find out everything that you need to know about this scam. It will definently give you FACTs, instead of the innuendo and gossip that you have been posting in this thread.”
Anybody who thinks that what Michael did with Jordan is normal, needs to consult a psychologist.
Jordan Chandler was not a sick child in terminal phase, he wasn't an orphan, he wasn't poor. He didn't need MJ in his life, and MJ had no reason to take care of him.

“ The only thing wrong is Michael was too trusting. June Chandler wanted Michael in her and children’s life. Have you seen the footage of June’s smile when he was holding her hand as she and her children were moving through the crowds. Michael was taking care of June and her kids because he wanted her. Evan Chandler couldn’t handle he fact that his ex wife wanted to be around Michael instead of him. June aggrevated things by not allowing Jordan to visit his father on visitation days. Chandler blamed Michael for that. Chandler tried to reconcile with June, but she wasn’t having that. Honestly, who would want Evan Chandler after being with Michael Jackson. Bottomline s that Evan Chandler fucked up his own family because of greed, jealousy and egomania. That’s why his own son didn’t want to have anything to do with him after the false accusations. That’s why Jordan has not spoken to his mother in over 20 yeRs. June only went along with this because she was threatened with losing custody of both of her children if she didn’t go along with thIs scam of E Chandler. Jordan never forgave his mother or father. However, I still think he is a fucking coward for not coming forward to rebuke these accusations.

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[Edited 1/30/19 19:23pm]
[Edited 1/30/19 19:57pm]


Of course June and Evan were already divorced, but Jordan was on the custody of his parents.
.
Everything turned into shit after the allegations.
.
If Michael behaved like he did with my kid, offering gifts I can t afford, bringing him on tour, doing pajamas parties, calling him on the phone every day, I would have probably sue him too for harassment.
.
I m sure MJ never molested the child, but no need to go to this point to be considered guilty morally and legally.
.
Remember that when Evan threatened Michael to break his carreer if he didn't produce his movie,etc., Michael acted like he didn't care and still wanted to see the child.
.
If MJ had an artistic collaboration with Jordan, like I don't know, chorist on the tour, why not.
If it were a poor, sick or burned child, why not giving him some joy and happiness in this sad world. But it wasn't the case and there was no real reason for Michael to do that.
.
The Chandler case is really different from the Arvizo case, Michael pushed the boundaries way too far to not be highly suspicious. MJ was a smart man and lead his carreer and music in a very serious way. He knew more than anybody how much it could hurt for a child to not have a normal childhood.
.
But he completely lost the ground with Jordan Chandler, so why was he ready to endanger his carreer, to risk legal problems and to hurt psychologically the child ? Because that's exactly what he did.
.
Another thing is disturbing, and I hope you would explain that to me : how the hell could Jordan describe MJ s penis? Because according to Taraborelly, the description Jordan did concurred with the photos taken by the police.
.
I guess he saw MJ piss or something like that, but this is really embarrassing


Damn, you have really been suckerd in by the shit that these culprits threw out there. Did you see the drawing of the supposed “match” of Jordan’s penis? It looked like a mushroom drawn by a three year old. When the media printed it. Everyone basically started laughing. Since you are regurgitating tabloid shit, I guess you wouldn’t know that Michael was forced to submit to a degrading strip search. There was no “match” to Evan’s lurid claim, or the police would have charged Michael. Seriously, the drawing, not a photo, of this supposed “match” could have literally been drawn by a three year old. It was obviously an adult who drew it, and pretended it was drawn by Jordan Chandler. Even you with your biased self, would have laughed out loud at this bullshit drawing.

Let me say it again, there was no match. It seems that you have been brainwashed by the manipulations of Dian Demon, the NAMBLA advocste/Victor Guitterez, and E. Chandler. Everything you have just regurgitated was spun by by those three.
It’s a shame that you are so easily led by tabloid shit, but are too lazy to read actual FACTS that have been presented at a trial. Everything that you are regurgitating was never proven in a court of law. Why do you think Evan Chandler didn’t want a court case? I can see now that your agenda is not about the truth, you want to just lie and use tabloid gossip. You WANT this lurid stuff to be true. It seems to give you some type of pedophilic fantasy as it did the media.

You continue to lie and say Michael destroyed that family. No, Michael was an innocent bystander, who got caught up in a web of deceit. Everywhere that Jordan Chandler went with MJ, June Chandler and her daughter were there, also. Why do you and people like you (with an agenda,CONVENIENTLY deny that. Evan Chandler destroyed his family. He was the one who perpetuated this entire scam. Jordan Chandler did not accuse Michael of this bs, Evan did. When Jordan was first asked about this, he actually started laughing and looked his father, with a “what the fuck” look. I guess you didn’t know that did know that Jordan denied Michael had ever abused him. He only came up with the accusations after a visit with his father, where his father administered a drug( Evan Chandler was a dentist) and he says Jordan suddenly “confessed” to while under influence of this drug. Everything about the 1993 scam was concocted by Evan with the help of Dian Demon, Victor Guiterrez, and colloberation from Mad Dog Tom Sneddon. It was poetic justice when that scumbag Evan Chandler killed himself. I imagine Jordan was applauding, since his father had tried to kill him right before he offed himself and was the author of these accusations.
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Reply #366 posted 01/31/19 4:30am

Free2BMe

PeteSilas said:



Tuls101 said:


I'm a lifelong MJ fan but this is a lot! Like many have said, it feels like they're treading the same ground just being more graphic with the descriptions. Of course I'll reserve full judgement until after I see the film. Based on reading up on '05 trial and the history of the families of the accusers, I've always felt Michael was the victim. There's one thing though that I've never been clear on and I hear mixed things about it.....Going back to '93 and Jordan drawing/identifying blemishes/discoloration on MJ's penis. Is that true or not?? If so, how can that possibly be explained??


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it seems to be both, he supposedly had the markings correct but he missed that mike wasn't circumcised so depends (like most of this case) on who you listen to.



Let’s not forget that Michael had vitiligo. So the discolorations were assumed by E. Chandler and made a part of his extortion scam. The father came up,with all of this crap. I remember a lot of people, even aware kids, at the time saying that Chandler probably had a camera in his bathroom and was spying on Michael as he took a piss. Evan was a sick bastard and did the World a favor when he killed himself. Inmagine his own son hating him because he involved him in this scam and emancipating himself from BOTH parents. Thst should tell the weak-minded sheep who believe this scam, that Michael did not abuse Jordan Chandler.
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Reply #367 posted 01/31/19 4:46am

RODSERLING

Free2BMe said:

RODSERLING said:



Of course June and Evan were already divorced, but Jordan was on the custody of his parents.
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Everything turned into shit after the allegations.
.
If Michael behaved like he did with my kid, offering gifts I can t afford, bringing him on tour, doing pajamas parties, calling him on the phone every day, I would have probably sue him too for harassment.
.
I m sure MJ never molested the child, but no need to go to this point to be considered guilty morally and legally.
.
Remember that when Evan threatened Michael to break his carreer if he didn't produce his movie,etc., Michael acted like he didn't care and still wanted to see the child.
.
If MJ had an artistic collaboration with Jordan, like I don't know, chorist on the tour, why not.
If it were a poor, sick or burned child, why not giving him some joy and happiness in this sad world. But it wasn't the case and there was no real reason for Michael to do that.
.
The Chandler case is really different from the Arvizo case, Michael pushed the boundaries way too far to not be highly suspicious. MJ was a smart man and lead his carreer and music in a very serious way. He knew more than anybody how much it could hurt for a child to not have a normal childhood.
.
But he completely lost the ground with Jordan Chandler, so why was he ready to endanger his carreer, to risk legal problems and to hurt psychologically the child ? Because that's exactly what he did.
.
Another thing is disturbing, and I hope you would explain that to me : how the hell could Jordan describe MJ s penis? Because according to Taraborelly, the description Jordan did concurred with the photos taken by the police.
.
I guess he saw MJ piss or something like that, but this is really embarrassing


Damn, you have really been suckerd in by the shit that these culprits threw out there. Did you see the drawing of the supposed “match” of Jordan’s penis? It looked like a mushroom drawn by a three year old. When the media printed it. Everyone basically started laughing. Since you are regurgitating tabloid shit, I guess you wouldn’t know that Michael was forced to submit to a degrading strip search. There was no “match” to Evan’s lurid claim, or the police would have charged Michael. Seriously, the drawing, not a photo, of this supposed “match” could have literally been drawn by a three year old. It was obviously an adult who drew it, and pretended it was drawn by Jordan Chandler. Even you with your biased self, would have laughed out loud at this bullshit drawing.

Let me say it again, there was no match. It seems that you have been brainwashed by the manipulations of Dian Demon, the NAMBLA advocste/Victor Guitterez, and E. Chandler. Everything you have just regurgitated was spun by by those three.
It’s a shame that you are so easily led by tabloid shit, but are too lazy to read actual FACTS that have been presented at a trial. Everything that you are regurgitating was never proven in a court of law. Why do you think Evan Chandler didn’t want a court case? I can see now that your agenda is not about the truth, you want to just lie and use tabloid gossip. You WANT this lurid stuff to be true. It seems to give you some type of pedophilic fantasy as it did the media.

You continue to lie and say Michael destroyed that family. No, Michael was an innocent bystander, who got caught up in a web of deceit. Everywhere that Jordan Chandler went with MJ, June Chandler and her daughter were there, also. Why do you and people like you (with an agenda,CONVENIENTLY deny that. Evan Chandler destroyed his family. He was the one who perpetuated this entire scam. Jordan Chandler did not accuse Michael of this bs, Evan did. When Jordan was first asked about this, he actually started laughing and looked his father, with a “what the fuck” look. I guess you didn’t know that did know that Jordan denied Michael had ever abused him. He only came up with the accusations after a visit with his father, where his father administered a drug( Evan Chandler was a dentist) and he says Jordan suddenly “confessed” to while under influence of this drug. Everything about the 1993 scam was concocted by Evan with the help of Dian Demon, Victor Guiterrez, and colloberation from Mad Dog Tom Sneddon. It was poetic justice when that scumbag Evan Chandler killed himself. I imagine Jordan was applauding, since his father had tried to kill him right before he offed himself and was the author of these accusations.
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Lol you re talking complete BS about me. I m a huge fan of MJ and will always support him and his legacy.
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I am well aware of the Jordan and Arvizo case, and read literally every legal documents about it. In 2005 I read the trial everyday.
I know the stories leading to Evan suicide.
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I know what is tabloid, I know what is not.
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I also said to you I didn't believe MJ was a child molester.
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Of course Evan Chandler wanted money from Michael, my point was that this recording legally proved nothing.
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So your post is pointless. My point was that his relationship with Jordan was morally wrong, even if he didn't rape him, it went way too far.
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And sadly, if Evan didn't put an end to it, it could have last years.
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If you found the relationship between Michael and Jordan "normal", you should go see a psychiatrist.
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Would you have let your child with Michael being "his Jordie Chandler"?. Seriously?
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Michael did great things with kids that were poor, orphans, burnt or sick. He gave them hope and care, seeing them at the hospital or at Neverland. He took care of the parents too.
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But for Jordan, it was something else. It was a regular relationship with a 12 years old kid, that's insane and embarrassing.
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Reply #368 posted 01/31/19 3:47pm

Marrk

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Settle down y'all. we been here before.. still BS.

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Reply #369 posted 01/31/19 5:30pm

Free2BMe

RODSERLING said:

Free2BMe said:



Damn, you have really been suckerd in by the shit that these culprits threw out there. Did you see the drawing of the supposed “match” of Jordan’s penis? It looked like a mushroom drawn by a three year old. When the media printed it. Everyone basically started laughing. Since you are regurgitating tabloid shit, I guess you wouldn’t know that Michael was forced to submit to a degrading strip search. There was no “match” to Evan’s lurid claim, or the police would have charged Michael. Seriously, the drawing, not a photo, of this supposed “match” could have literally been drawn by a three year old. It was obviously an adult who drew it, and pretended it was drawn by Jordan Chandler. Even you with your biased self, would have laughed out loud at this bullshit drawing.

Let me say it again, there was no match. It seems that you have been brainwashed by the manipulations of Dian Demon, the NAMBLA advocste/Victor Guitterez, and E. Chandler. Everything you have just regurgitated was spun by by those three.
It’s a shame that you are so easily led by tabloid shit, but are too lazy to read actual FACTS that have been presented at a trial. Everything that you are regurgitating was never proven in a court of law. Why do you think Evan Chandler didn’t want a court case? I can see now that your agenda is not about the truth, you want to just lie and use tabloid gossip. You WANT this lurid stuff to be true. It seems to give you some type of pedophilic fantasy as it did the media.

You continue to lie and say Michael destroyed that family. No, Michael was an innocent bystander, who got caught up in a web of deceit. Everywhere that Jordan Chandler went with MJ, June Chandler and her daughter were there, also. Why do you and people like you (with an agenda,CONVENIENTLY deny that. Evan Chandler destroyed his family. He was the one who perpetuated this entire scam. Jordan Chandler did not accuse Michael of this bs, Evan did. When Jordan was first asked about this, he actually started laughing and looked his father, with a “what the fuck” look. I guess you didn’t know that did know that Jordan denied Michael had ever abused him. He only came up with the accusations after a visit with his father, where his father administered a drug( Evan Chandler was a dentist) and he says Jordan suddenly “confessed” to while under influence of this drug. Everything about the 1993 scam was concocted by Evan with the help of Dian Demon, Victor Guiterrez, and colloberation from Mad Dog Tom Sneddon. It was poetic justice when that scumbag Evan Chandler killed himself. I imagine Jordan was applauding, since his father had tried to kill him right before he offed himself and was the author of these accusations.
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Lol you re talking complete BS about me. I m a huge fan of MJ and will always support him and his legacy.

“ Sorry all REAL fans know that there was no “relationship” between Jordan Chandler and Michael. All of this was concocted from Evan Chsndler, Dian Demon and Victor Guitterez. You are regurgitating tabloid trash.”
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I am well aware of the Jordan and Arvizo case, and read literally every legal documents about it. In 2005 I read the trial everyday.
I know the stories leading to Evan suicide.
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I know what is tabloid, I know what is not.

“No you don’t or you wouldn’t keep repeating tabloid crap. Basically, everything you are repeating is a lie concocted by Demon, Guiterrez and Chandler. You can’t even filter facts from lies.”


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I also said to you I didn't believe MJ was a child molester.
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Of course Evan Chandler wanted money from Michael, my point was that this recording legally proved nothing.

“Yeah ,the recording proved Evan Chandler was not interested in a so-called abused son. He was only interested in extortion. If you can’t see that, maybe you need a psychiatrist.”
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So your post is pointless. My point was that his relationship with Jordan was morally wrong, even if he didn't rape him, it went way too far.

“Your post makes no sense. You continue bring up the tabloidish “relationship”perpetuated by Dian Demon, Guitterez and E. Chandler. There was no “relationship”, as much as you fantasize and WANT there to have been one.” Stop perpetuating YOUR desires onto Michael. “
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And sadly, if Evan didn't put an end to it, it could have last years.

“There you go again with your tabloid mentality. Fan? You have got to be kidding.”

If you found the relationship between Michael and Jordan "normal", you should go see a psychiatrist
“ Oops, there you are again, perpetuating a fantasy ‘relationship’ between an adult and a child. Btw, your fantasy sounds just like Victor Guitterez, a NAMBLA member/ advocate.”
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Would you have let your child with Michael being "his Jordie Chandler"?. Seriously?

“Wow, how much of Evan, Demon and Guitterez did you partake? Lol! Poor thing you are consumed with misinformation. See a doctor please.”

Michael did great things with kids that were poor, orphans, burnt or sick. He gave them hope and care, seeing them at the hospital or at Neverland. He took care of the parents too.
“At least you said something rational.”

But for Jordan, it was something else. It was a regular relationship with a 12 years old kid, that's insane and embarrassing.

“Sweetie, you really need to check yourself. You have used,speculated and salivated about a ‘relationship’ when there was none. Hmmmn, why are you so fixated on imaginary relationships between a man and boy. Something doesn’t compute.”😏
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Reply #370 posted 01/31/19 8:42pm

Goddess4Real

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Joe Vogel‏ @JoeVogel1 11h11 hours ago

This is America. Black man vindicated in court. Vindicated by the FBI. Vindicated by two investigations. Vindicated by hundreds of witnesses. Two white men change their stories after twenty years. Claim they lied under oath. Seek lots of money. Any guess who America believes?

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Keep Calm & Listen To Prince
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Reply #371 posted 01/31/19 10:38pm

Free2BMe

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Joe Vogel‏ @JoeVogel1 11h11 hours ago







This is America. Black man vindicated in court. Vindicated by the FBI. Vindicated by two investigations. Vindicated by hundreds of witnesses. Two white men change their stories after twenty years. Claim they lied under oath. Seek lots of money. Any guess who America believes?



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Reply #372 posted 01/31/19 11:02pm

RODSERLING

Free2BMe said:

RODSERLING said:



Lol you re talking complete BS about me. I m a huge fan of MJ and will always support him and his legacy.

“ Sorry all REAL fans know that there was no “relationship” between Jordan Chandler and Michael. All of this was concocted from Evan Chsndler, Dian Demon and Victor Guitterez. You are regurgitating tabloid trash.”
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I am well aware of the Jordan and Arvizo case, and read literally every legal documents about it. In 2005 I read the trial everyday.
I know the stories leading to Evan suicide.
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I know what is tabloid, I know what is not.

“No you don’t or you wouldn’t keep repeating tabloid crap. Basically, everything you are repeating is a lie concocted by Demon, Guiterrez and Chandler. You can’t even filter facts from lies.”


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I also said to you I didn't believe MJ was a child molester.
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Of course Evan Chandler wanted money from Michael, my point was that this recording legally proved nothing.

“Yeah ,the recording proved Evan Chandler was not interested in a so-called abused son. He was only interested in extortion. If you can’t see that, maybe you need a psychiatrist.”
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So your post is pointless. My point was that his relationship with Jordan was morally wrong, even if he didn't rape him, it went way too far.

“Your post makes no sense. You continue bring up the tabloidish “relationship”perpetuated by Dian Demon, Guitterez and E. Chandler. There was no “relationship”, as much as you fantasize and WANT there to have been one.” Stop perpetuating YOUR desires onto Michael. “
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And sadly, if Evan didn't put an end to it, it could have last years.

“There you go again with your tabloid mentality. Fan? You have got to be kidding.”

If you found the relationship between Michael and Jordan "normal", you should go see a psychiatrist
“ Oops, there you are again, perpetuating a fantasy ‘relationship’ between an adult and a child. Btw, your fantasy sounds just like Victor Guitterez, a NAMBLA member/ advocate.”
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Would you have let your child with Michael being "his Jordie Chandler"?. Seriously?

“Wow, how much of Evan, Demon and Guitterez did you partake? Lol! Poor thing you are consumed with misinformation. See a doctor please.”

Michael did great things with kids that were poor, orphans, burnt or sick. He gave them hope and care, seeing them at the hospital or at Neverland. He took care of the parents too.
“At least you said something rational.”

But for Jordan, it was something else. It was a regular relationship with a 12 years old kid, that's insane and embarrassing.

“Sweetie, you really need to check yourself. You have used,speculated and salivated about a ‘relationship’ when there was none. Hmmmn, why are you so fixated on imaginary relationships between a man and boy. Something doesn’t compute.”😏
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The relationship between Michael and Jordan existed, you can t deny that. If they didn't see each other regularly, there would be no case and we wouldn't be here talking about it.
I never said it was a sexual relationship, if you believe this is what I m saying.

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Did you imply Michael only saw Jordan one or two times in his life?
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Even the editor in chief of the fan magazine Black And White, who literally dedicated the 90's to follow Michael s carreer, and one of the rare people to interview him, said the relationship between Jordan and Michael was for the most disturbing.
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You don t bring a child to a tour regularly.
You don t call a child almost every day on the phone
You don t do pajamas parties regularly with a child.
You don t offer him everytime things his parents can t afford.
You don't hold his hand when you walk with him.
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All of this is no tabloid bullshit, it really happened, it was not made up by Diane Diamond
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Reply #373 posted 02/01/19 1:29am

PeteSilas

Baldwin was a prophet, I wonder what would have happened had Michael never had the interest in children. would they have found something else to demonize him for? Of course all the surgery and physical changes would have always been plenty of grist for the mill. But I feel like something scandalous would have happened no matter what.

Free2BMe said:

Goddess4Real said:

Joe Vogel‏ @JoeVogel1 11h11 hours ago

This is America. Black man vindicated in court. Vindicated by the FBI. Vindicated by two investigations. Vindicated by hundreds of witnesses. Two white men change their stories after twenty years. Claim they lied under oath. Seek lots of money. Any guess who America believes?

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Reply #374 posted 02/01/19 7:49am

oceanblue

smile lockdance Please!

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Reply #375 posted 02/01/19 8:37am

alphastreet

PeteSilas said:

Baldwin was a prophet, I wonder what would have happened had Michael never had the interest in children. would they have found something else to demonize him for? Of course all the surgery and physical changes would have always been plenty of grist for the mill. But I feel like something scandalous would have happened no matter what.



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Goddess4Real said:

Joe Vogel‏ @JoeVogel1 11h11 hours ago




This is America. Black man vindicated in court. Vindicated by the FBI. Vindicated by two investigations. Vindicated by hundreds of witnesses. Two white men change their stories after twenty years. Claim they lied under oath. Seek lots of money. Any guess who America believes?



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He was warned during bad era by frank d about buying expensive things for one of the kids. They could see something michael apparently couldn’t. I do wish he had better friends so he wouldn’t have bought friendships with expensive things
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Reply #376 posted 02/01/19 8:42am

alphastreet

RODSERLING said:

Free2BMe said:


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The relationship between Michael and Jordan existed, you can t deny that. If they didn't see each other regularly, there would be no case and we wouldn't be here talking about it.
I never said it was a sexual relationship, if you believe this is what I m saying.

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Did you imply Michael only saw Jordan one or two times in his life?
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Even the editor in chief of the fan magazine Black And White, who literally dedicated the 90's to follow Michael s carreer, and one of the rare people to interview him, said the relationship between Jordan and Michael was for the most disturbing.
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You don t bring a child to a tour regularly.
You don t call a child almost every day on the phone
You don t do pajamas parties regularly with a child.
You don t offer him everytime things his parents can t afford.
You don't hold his hand when you walk with him.
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All of this is no tabloid bullshit, it really happened, it was not made up by Diane Diamond


And at the world music awards on his lap, it sounds like it was too much. I knew you weren’t talking sexual and neither am I. I didn’t know that about the magazine editor, where did you hear that?
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Reply #377 posted 02/01/19 9:58am

RJOrion

it never ceases to amaze me how musicians and entertainers have such an emotional hold on some of their fans and followers, that their flaws and demons are blindly and emotionally defended and excused away by theses fans and followers, who have never spent a second with the accused artists...even against all evidence and common sense
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Reply #378 posted 02/01/19 11:30am

RODSERLING

alphastreet said:

RODSERLING said:



The relationship between Michael and Jordan existed, you can t deny that. If they didn't see each other regularly, there would be no case and we wouldn't be here talking about it.
I never said it was a sexual relationship, if you believe this is what I m saying.

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Did you imply Michael only saw Jordan one or two times in his life?
.
Even the editor in chief of the fan magazine Black And White, who literally dedicated the 90's to follow Michael s carreer, and one of the rare people to interview him, said the relationship between Jordan and Michael was for the most disturbing.
.
You don t bring a child to a tour regularly.
You don t call a child almost every day on the phone
You don t do pajamas parties regularly with a child.
You don t offer him everytime things his parents can t afford.
You don't hold his hand when you walk with him.
.

All of this is no tabloid bullshit, it really happened, it was not made up by Diane Diamond


And at the world music awards on his lap, it sounds like it was too much. I knew you weren’t talking sexual and neither am I. I didn’t know that about the magazine editor, where did you hear that?

He told us in a French board circa 2010/2011
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Reply #379 posted 02/01/19 11:37am

RODSERLING

Sorry to be shocking, but if there wasn't Jordie Chandler, there wouldn't have been History + BOTDF that are MJ's best material by far, and I wouldn't have probably never been a dedicated fan.
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MJ proved he was a great artist, taking his anger and pain to make great songs, albums and music video, instead of hiding away from the audience and just crying on his fate.
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That's why MJ is a true hero and, nevertheless ! A true positive role model I think.
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Reply #380 posted 02/01/19 12:53pm

oceanblue

RJOrion said:

it never ceases to amaze me how musicians and entertainers have such an emotional hold on some of their fans and followers, that their flaws and demons are blindly and emotionally defended and excused away by theses fans and followers, who have never spent a second with the accused artists...even against all evidence and common sense

So very realistically true! clapping

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Reply #381 posted 02/01/19 12:54pm

luvsexy4all

if its all a lie...then this can be used to make people buy even more of his stuff..piss off the right people

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Reply #382 posted 02/01/19 1:17pm

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RJOrion said:

it never ceases to amaze me how musicians and entertainers have such an emotional hold on some of their fans and followers, that their flaws and demons are blindly and emotionally defended and excused away by theses fans and followers, who have never spent a second with the accused artists...even against all evidence and common sense

The only ones who are blind, are the ones hellbent on condemning Michael (they also never spent a second with him, as if that matters anyway), oblivious to all the flaws and problems that came with every single one of the accusers. There is not one of them who is trustworthy and not shady. So don't come at us calling us blind, when we don't believe their shit. We see more than the likes of you ever will.

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Reply #383 posted 02/01/19 1:49pm

alphastreet

RODSERLING said:

Sorry to be shocking, but if there wasn't Jordie Chandler, there wouldn't have been History + BOTDF that are MJ's best material by far, and I wouldn't have probably never been a dedicated fan.
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MJ proved he was a great artist, taking his anger and pain to make great songs, albums and music video, instead of hiding away from the audience and just crying on his fate.
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That's why MJ is a true hero and, nevertheless ! A true positive role model I think.




I felt that way about tdcau and stranger in Moscow long time ago lol
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Reply #384 posted 02/01/19 2:09pm

RJOrion

PatrickS77 said:



RJOrion said:


it never ceases to amaze me how musicians and entertainers have such an emotional hold on some of their fans and followers, that their flaws and demons are blindly and emotionally defended and excused away by theses fans and followers, who have never spent a second with uithe accused artists...even against all evidence and common sense


The only ones who are blind, are the ones hellbent on condemning Michael (they also never spent a second with him, as if that matters anyway), oblivious to all the flaws and problems that came with every single one of the accusers. There is not one of them who is trustworthy and not shady. So don't come at us calling us blind, when we don't believe their shit. We see more than the likes of you ever will.




thanks...you just proved my point
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Reply #385 posted 02/01/19 2:15pm

alphastreet

I think most of us did the research to make sure he didn’t do it in the first place, and there are holes in the stories, as Patrick said, shady people and liars. I know the image doesn’t look good right now, and this is coming from someone who is normally inclined to believe, but it’s just not adding up based on their past behaviour.
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Reply #386 posted 02/01/19 2:43pm

PatrickS77

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RJOrion said:

PatrickS77 said:

The only ones who are blind, are the ones hellbent on condemning Michael (they also never spent a second with him, as if that matters anyway), oblivious to all the flaws and problems that came with every single one of the accusers. There is not one of them who is trustworthy and not shady. So don't come at us calling us blind, when we don't believe their shit. We see more than the likes of you ever will.

thanks...you just proved my point

You too.

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Reply #387 posted 02/01/19 3:36pm

SoulAlive

alphastreet said:

I think most of us did the research to make sure he didn’t do it in the first place, and there are holes in the stories, as Patrick said, shady people and liars. I know the image doesn’t look good right now, and this is coming from someone who is normally inclined to believe, but it’s just not adding up based on their past behaviour.


Yeah,I won’t believe any accusation unless there is some solid,undisputable proof.I also take a good look at the accusers themselves.Do they have credibility? If they have lied before,why should I believe them now? Wade,in particular,looks very suspect to me.
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Reply #388 posted 02/01/19 4:33pm

SoulAlive

furthermore,when someone is dead,anyone can say any malicious thing about that person and they’re not here to defend themself.That’s wrong and unfair.I refuse to listen or care about any accusations in those circumstances.
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Reply #389 posted 02/01/19 5:02pm

Free2BMe

RJOrion said:

it never ceases to amaze me how musicians and entertainers have such an emotional hold on some of their fans and followers, that their flaws and demons are blindly and emotionally defended and excused away by theses fans and followers, who have never spent a second with the accused artists...even against all evidence and common sense


Strange you would say that, because that’s just the way I feel about dummies who ignore proof and rely on innuendo and malicious lies, that don’t have an ounce of truth. These same dummies are either too ignorant to see the truth or they just don’t give a damn that a person can be falsely accused by two proven liars. These dummies are blindly and willfully being ignorant. These dummies who defend the lies of Robson and Safechuck excuse every fact presented against them because they WANT this to be true. IMO, these same dummies who believe the con artists could possibly have latent or even active pedophilic tendencies. Any dummy who would believe that Robson, at 7 years old, was butt raped everday for 7 years, need to be sent to a psychiatrist. Would any of you be able to withstand being butt raped every day for 7 years straight as a kid. Some of you are so pathetic.
Not only is that claim stupid and dumb, it is irrational. Of course, maybe Wade is wishing that had happened and fantasizes about it.

Anyone wonder why there were no black boys making these false claims? There were as many black boys around Michael as white ones’ probably more. However, it is not that the media didn’t try to persuade black boys and there families to lie on Michael. The media offered Alfonso, Emmanuel and other black families money, if they falsely accused Michael, these families were not trashy enough to do that. Hmmm, says something about the trash that accused him.
The bottomline is that only dummies would believe these desperate con men. Nothing they say fits, unless that is YOUR sexual fantasy.

I intentionally used the word “dummie” multiple times, to emphasize just how blindly you people follow unsubstantiated gossip, lies and rumors. It sounds as if most of you had a hard time in school, because you wouldn’t know rationalization or deductive reasoning, even if you were slapped in the face with those terms. You truly are an embarrassment to society! Is it any wonder why this world is so fucked up, with people like you as inhabitants.
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