Cloudbuster said:

alphastreet said:

http://www.joevogel.net/m...itch-hunts
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Goddess4Real said:

alphastreet said:

THanks for sharing

What You Should Know About the New Michael Jackson Documentary
Joe VogelContributor
Hollywood & Entertainment
I write about popular music, especially artists from the '80s

Singer Michael Jackson Performing on Stage at Madison Square Garden (Photo by Rick Maiman/Sygma via Getty Images)GETTY

When Michael Jackson died in 2009, Wade Robson—the former choreographer whose allegations of abuse are at the center of a controversial new documentary, Leaving Neverland—wrote in tribute to his friend:

https://www.forbes.com/si...b5823640fa



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ItsLetoyaBaby said:

Goddess4Real said:

What You Should Know About the New Michael Jackson Documentary Joe VogelContributor Hollywood & Entertainment I write about popular music, especially artists from the '80s Singer Michael Jackson Performing on Stage at Madison Square Garden (Photo by Rick Maiman/Sygma via Getty Images)GETTY When Michael Jackson died in 2009, Wade Robson—the former choreographer whose allegations of abuse are at the center of a controversial new documentary, Leaving Neverland—wrote in tribute to his friend: [Edited 1/29/19 12:27pm]

Why did you delete part of your post? Everyone and their mother should read it. It exposes Wade Robson big time. How can anyone yhink he was molested after reading what you posted? Repost the entire content please.

i sar it, we need more of those articles really, if it's truth people are after then we need more opposing voices, if it's just scandal that people want (and that is what they really want) then just let the docu go.

i hear you, neil degrasse tyson, about the whitest black guy you'll ever see even had defenders who said that he was being attacked because he said something about african iq's and everything else being the most diverse on the planet. That's silly. Neil just got caught up, by the time me too is done, any man with any notoriety will be lucky to get out unscathed because it's at the proportions of a lynch mob right now. Careers are being hurt and destroyed over trivial shit, like neil who looked at a tatoo and made some girl uncomfortable, which she didn't look to be in the pics of the event. He was also accused of rape several decades ago, of course that one, if it's true is more serious.

ladygirl99 said:

PeteSilas said:

cosby was a special case, for a lot of reasons that i'll only mention a few. he shunned and shamed blackfolk so no one had his back at first, now that he's in prison a few black people are defending him but many never forgave him for all that shit talking about poundcakes and saggin pants and grandma screwing her children, lot of people never forgave that shit, even now. Also, i've been objective from the start and still am, the way they got bill broke their own laws, statutes, and candace broke her agreement to settle for money. ya he raped everyone but white people will play dirty and break their own rules whenever they feel like it.

Yeah I agree that some white people doing dirty things and I dealt with some microaggression racism too but I am just sick and tired of the black culture continue to defend particular toxic and sex offender males and their male identified handmaidens are just as bad out of racial loyal and tried to silence those who refused to defend the low elements. Toxic masculine in the black culture and white supremacy can take its daily toll on a black LGBT person who is affected by both but we have to stay stronger lol. Thank goodness for the internet for marginalised groups to have its voice.

That is why I distance myself from hoodrats and racist whites as much as I can.

ItsLetoyaBaby said:

Goddess4Real said:

What You Should Know About the New Michael Jackson Documentary Joe VogelContributor Hollywood & Entertainment I write about popular music, especially artists from the '80s Singer Michael Jackson Performing on Stage at Madison Square Garden (Photo by Rick Maiman/Sygma via Getty Images)GETTY When Michael Jackson died in 2009, Wade Robson—the former choreographer whose allegations of abuse are at the center of a controversial new documentary, Leaving Neverland—wrote in tribute to his friend: [Edited 1/29/19 12:27pm]

Why did you delete part of your post? Everyone and their mother should read it. It exposes Wade Robson big time. How can anyone yhink he was molested after reading what you posted? Repost the entire content please.

Posting it in its entirety without permission of the source would be violating copyright laws.

For posting articles etc.

1. Give credit to the source;
2. Include the first 2 paragraphs of it; and
3. Provide a link

Here's the link to the entire article

https://www.forbes.com/si...b5823640fa

ItsLetoyaBaby said:

ItsLetoyaBaby said:

I just hoped the family would do more. Only MJ's nephews are doing something. The rest of the family, who created the drug-addict image, does nothing but release a futile statement. It's demotivating. Why will I fight for MJ if his own family created the junkie image and cross their arms? Hell, next thing you know Rebbie is still friends Stacy Brown.

they are fighting, ain't enough for you i presume. they also may have issues of their own right now, i saw a couple weeks ago that Katherine was close to death, hadn't heard much more since then but that's a big deal for the kids.

ItsLetoyaBaby said:

Goddess4Real said:

What You Should Know About the New Michael Jackson Documentary Joe VogelContributor Hollywood & Entertainment I write about popular music, especially artists from the '80s Singer Michael Jackson Performing on Stage at Madison Square Garden (Photo by Rick Maiman/Sygma via Getty Images)GETTY When Michael Jackson died in 2009, Wade Robson—the former choreographer whose allegations of abuse are at the center of a controversial new documentary, Leaving Neverland—wrote in tribute to his friend: https://www.forbes.com/si...b5823640fa [Edited 1/29/19 12:27pm]

Why did you delete part of your post? Everyone and their mother should read it. It exposes Wade Robson big time. How can anyone yhink he was molested after reading what you posted? Repost the entire content please.

Oops I thought I did lets try this again.....What You Should Know About the New Michael Jackson Documentary

https://www.forbes.com/si...8d1cea640f

Joe Vogel Contributor

Hollywood & Entertainment I write about popular music, especially artists from the '80s

When Michael Jackson died in 2009, Wade Robson—the former choreographer whose allegations of abuse are at the center of a controversial new documentary, Leaving Neverland—wrote in tribute to his friend:

Michael Jackson changed the world and, more personally, my life forever. He is the reason I dance, the reason I make music, and one of the main reasons I believe in the pure goodness of humankind. He has been a close friend of mine for 20 years. His music, his movement, his personal words of inspiration and encouragement and his unconditional love will live inside of me forever. I will miss him immeasurably, but I know that he is now at peace and enchanting the heavens with a melody and a moonwalk.

PeteSilas said:

Free2BMe said:

I’m just wondering why certain people feel they have to give an “excuse” to why you are no longer a “fan” or are not strong enough to defend Michael. That’s alright, because Micharl needs strong resilient fans who won’t cave under pressure. Come back when you have the stamina and leave the defending to the MJ warriors and activists. Being a Michael Jackson is not for the weak or easily swayed. Btw, this vendetta against an innocent man, who is no longer here to defend himself has made me and my family even stronger fans; if that’s even possible.

i'll be here for life, either way, it's of importance to me and i'll follow it. His death doesn't hurt as bad now as it used to but it was horrible. In fact, my first thought when i saw the words "prince found dead" were "gee, i don't really feel anything" it was actually worse but because i'd already lost MJ it wasn't a shock, that was the best prep i could possibly have for losing heroes when you don't expect to. I don't know what you expect the jackson family to do but a few days isn't very long in the whole scheme of things. Maybe they'll sue. Personally, if it were my family? and I knew that Michael was innocent, if i kknew that for sure, there might be some bodies found and i might be doing a little time, but that's just me.

Free2BMe said:

ItsLetoyaBaby said:

I just hoped the family would do more. Only MJ's nephews are doing something. The rest of the family, who created the drug-addict image, does nothing but release a futile statement. It's demotivating. Why will I fight for MJ if his own family created the junkie image and cross their arms? Hell, next thing you know Rebbie is still friends Stacy Brown.

You are correct about the family creating the drug image. Btw, I think their statement was more than I expected from them. However, MJ fans will continue to fight for him as we have always done. Michael changed the world with his music, he helped so many people with his humanitarianism and philantrophy. He has inspired and continues to inspire generations of fans as no other entertainer/ has done. MJ fans KNOW he is 1000% innocent. We are going to defend him because of the proof and evidence. Gossip, manipulations and innuendo will not deter us from revealing the liars/extortionists Wade Robson and James Safechuck. I guess the idiots thought that they could spew this crap and no one challenge them. They didn’t know that MJ fans are resilient, intelligent, aware and dedicated to FACTS! We research everything and we wouldn’t be defending Michael , if weren’t 100% sure. I have seen nothing from these accusers that would change my mind. Nothing!! [Edited 1/29/19 17:04pm]

Michael Jackson doesn't need anyone to fight for him anymore, he's free from all the earthly cares of this world, and none of it matters to him anymore!

luv4u said:

ItsLetoyaBaby said:

Goddess4Real said: Why did you delete part of your post? Everyone and their mother should read it. It exposes Wade Robson big time. How can anyone yhink he was molested after reading what you posted? Repost the entire content please.

Posting it in its entirety without permission of the source would be violating copyright laws.

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Here's the link to the entire article

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Worldwide? on the internet? a journalists point of view/opinion from a particular country is NOT subject to copyright law by merely copy and pasting elsewhere. It still falls under fair use. [Snip - luv4u]

Marrk said:

luv4u said:

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Worldwide? on the internet? a journalists point of view/opinion from a particular country is NOT subject to copyright law by merely copy and pasting elsewhere. It still falls under fair use. [Snip - luv4u]

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RODSERLING said:

What motivates Robson and the other guy to pass for victims of a pedophile in front of the whole wide world, in front of their children, their wives, etc.? . Why would they humiliate themselves and a music legend if it were not true? . This is way beyond a guy that launch a lawsuit for money. These are 2 guys that are claiming for 6 years they were raped, to the point they are making a movie about it. . And don't tell me the movie is going to make money. It won't be released in theaters, TV...Maybe VOD, but who is going to pay for this kind of documentary ? Truth is that their claims cost them money and their reputations. . So why would they fuck up their lives and their children ? [Edited 1/29/19 22:59pm] [Edited 1/29/19 23:02pm]

who the fuck knows, you can drive yourself nuts trying to figure out why people do things. I read a fascinating article a few years ago about an ethiopian community college professor falsely accused of rape, there was no fucking rhyme or reason for why the girl did what she did. I'm telling you, as a jaded old man, you can't go by "what is the motive" all the time. sometimes there is no fucking motive.

PeteSilas said:

RODSERLING said:

PeteSilas said:

who the fuck knows, you can drive yourself nuts trying to figure out why people do things. I read a fascinating article a few years ago about an ethiopian community college professor falsely accused of rape, there was no fucking rhyme or reason for why the girl did what she did. I'm telling you, as a jaded old man, you can't go by "what is the motive" all the time. sometimes there is no fucking motive.

Did the girl made a documentary about it ?

how could she, it was made plain that she was a fucking liar. I've been there too, several times, not with kids but with women, accused me of shit that just had me going wtf? calling police on me like i'm a stalker, saying i planned on killing my mom (or some such shit, I never heard it from her) and the next time i saw one of these women she couldn't do anything but look down and I said no more. like i said "what motive" only explains when you're dealing with clear thinking people, nut nutsos and psychos. and..., i must admit, i'm an easy target because like mike, i've always been very different and off on my own so i can understand to a degree.

PeteSilas said:

RODSERLING said:

People will look into the Chandler case again, and many embarrassing facts will appear that will throw doubts among the strongest fans

Or maybe not considering that Evan Chandler is on tape explaing his extortion plan.
And that Jordy Chandler got legal emancipation from his parents because of what they made him do.

And that Jordy's mother admitted at Jackson's trial that she hadn't seen her son for 11 years and that at no time did she feel that Jackson was a threat to her son.

Evan Chandler started this mess, thank fuck the cunt is dead.

RODSERLING said:

What motivates Robson and the other guy to pass for victims of a pedophile in front of the whole wide world, in front of their children, their wives, etc.? . Why would they humiliate themselves and a music legend if it were not true? . This is way beyond a guy that launch a lawsuit for money. These are 2 guys that are claiming for 6 years they were raped, to the point they are making a movie about it. . And don't tell me the movie is going to make money. It won't be released in theaters, TV...Maybe VOD, but who is going to pay for this kind of documentary ? Truth is that their claims cost them money and their reputations. . So why would they fuck up their lives and their children ? [Edited 1/29/19 22:59pm] [Edited 1/29/19 23:02pm]

Do you honestly believe they aren't making big bucks off of this? Robson and Jimmy filed a lawsuit against the Estate for...1,5 billion dollars. Wade first secretely approached the Estate to get paid without going public and shopped a tell-all book around. Robson just created a foundation in which donors and donations aren't identified and where the destiny of the money isn't clear: that tells you everything you need to know (read Roger Feldman's article on this doc, he exposes Robson's labyrintine foundation and makes it pretty obvious something is being hidden). And, yes, the doc is going to be released on TV as it will be shown in HBO (US) and Channel 4 (UK) and that's when shit will hit the fan and that's where the millions will be coming from so your argument is rather weak IMO.

Robson was bankrupt with his career in peril, no contracts on the horizon, when he approached the MJ Estate to be the choreographer of the Cirque du Soleil shows. As soons as he was snubbed the allegations came about. There seems to be a vendetta here as Jimmy and Robson blame MJ for not having made it big in Hollywood after all the promises. Besides, most of their abuse stories are taken out of Victor Gutierrez book "MJ was my lover". Tat for tat, the stories Gutierrez tells in the book are what they are spewing. How come no one here pointed that out yet?

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alphastreet said:

Off topic I know but I haven’t been as attached as before either. I still care but feel less dependent on his music for my happiness which is the mess it had become years ago. I consider myself an admirer more than fan these days

I think that has to do with growing up When we were young and didn't have much to worry about MJ was our world. With time we get some perspective and move on though we still admire him and see him as a part of our life story Or, maybe depending on whether he coincided with a negative or positive part of our story so will he react to him latter.

What do you mean by the bolded part?

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RODSERLING said:

What motivates Robson and the other guy to pass for victims of a pedophile in front of the whole wide world, in front of their children, their wives, etc.? . Why would they humiliate themselves and a music legend if it were not true? . This is way beyond a guy that launch a lawsuit for money. These are 2 guys that are claiming for 6 years they were raped, to the point they are making a movie about it. . And don't tell me the movie is going to make money. It won't be released in theaters, TV...Maybe VOD, but who is going to pay for this kind of documentary ? Truth is that their claims cost them money and their reputations. . So why would they fuck up their lives and their children ? [Edited 1/29/19 22:59pm] [Edited 1/29/19 23:02pm]

The movie is the afterthought. A last ditch resort, after they failed to sue the estate for millions. They have no other avenue left.