Shawy89 said:

Amy Winehouse kinda lost everything between 2010-2011.. She dominated the world three years ago from that time... Her drug obssession ruined everything.

According to Amy's father, his daughter's drug-abusing boyfriend that helped started Amy's drug obssession ruining everything.

TonyVanDam said:

Shawy89 said:

Amy Winehouse kinda lost everything between 2010-2011.. She dominated the world three years ago from that time... Her drug obssession ruined everything.

According to Amy's father, his daughter's drug-abusing boyfriend that helped started Amy's drug obssession ruining everything.

another clear case of what happens when drug addicts corrupt non-drug users....all it takes is one hit and its game over for some people....sad but true.

mjscarousal said:

SeventeenDayze said:

I agree 100 percent with everything you said. Some people are going to be around just because they oversaturate the market and not necessarily because they are just "so talented". I am sick of seeing the same folks over and over again and it does seem like they are shoved down our throats. I think they pay off the media to make them seem relevant when they are not. Some people are sheep and they will like anything labeled as popular for any length of time. You could make a parrot famous and then you'd have 20 million people on Twitter following the bird. I think your prediction about 2024 is scary but painfully accurate about what we can anticipate. I think these folks need to hang it up and let someone else come along for a change. I seriously doubt these folks are just that special, they just have a lot of money to spend on marketing and to spend on keeping other people out of the game with their shady record contract deals that entrap young artists and then give them no airplay. I heard Weaveonce's dad was big on competition killing along the way to her road to stardom....

Most definitly and this has actually been already exposed as a fact. Money= power

My thing is I wouldn't mind these acts as much if they were actually making creative music or at least trying to be somewhat artistic because it wouldn't be as boring and repetitive. Its one thing if they are constantly in our faces coming out with fresh, new and exciting ideas versus the same tired bland material. I also think this hypersexual propaganda that is being marketed through these female pop stars is the worse thing that could happen to the industry. Its almost as if there is a secret sexual elite group in the industry that tells these female pop stars to make soft porn performances and videos or else. Its absolutely disgusting that these hypersexual acts are considered acceptable and entertaining.

SeventeenDayze said:

mjscarousal said:

Most definitly and this has actually been already exposed as a fact. Money= power

My thing is I wouldn't mind these acts as much if they were actually making creative music or at least trying to be somewhat artistic because it wouldn't be as boring and repetitive. Its one thing if they are constantly in our faces coming out with fresh, new and exciting ideas versus the same tired bland material. I also think this hypersexual propaganda that is being marketed through these female pop stars is the worse thing that could happen to the industry. Its almost as if there is a secret sexual elite group in the industry that tells these female pop stars to make soft porn performances and videos or else. Its absolutely disgusting that these hypersexual acts are considered acceptable and entertaining.

I remember a few years ago feeling dreadfully sick of all female pop acts because there were/are too many. I liked/like Lady Gaga but she came along at a time when there was no competition for Weaveonce, Katy Scary and the others. I think industry rivals want Gaga to fizzle because she blew everyone out of the water when she first hit the scene. I am really tired of the hypersexual stuff as well. It's getting old already. Why don't they just hang it up and become strippers who sing, aka showgirls?!?! lol

Shoot, the music scene is still oversaturated with female pop acts if the VMAs this year served as any deputation for the music scene. As far as Gaga goes, I'm not sure I understand when you say that she came at a time when her contemporaries had no competition; what do you mean?

MotownSubdivision said:

SeventeenDayze said:

I remember a few years ago feeling dreadfully sick of all female pop acts because there were/are too many. I liked/like Lady Gaga but she came along at a time when there was no competition for Weaveonce, Katy Scary and the others. I think industry rivals want Gaga to fizzle because she blew everyone out of the water when she first hit the scene. I am really tired of the hypersexual stuff as well. It's getting old already. Why don't they just hang it up and become strippers who sing, aka showgirls?!?! lol

Shoot, the music scene is still oversaturated with female pop acts if the VMAs this year served as any deputation for the music scene. As far as Gaga goes, I'm not sure I understand when you say that she came at a time when her contemporaries had no competition; what do you mean?

What I meant was that Gaga debuted when the market was oversatured with female pop acts but she somehow managed to be different in her own right. It then seemed like they all tried to follow HER in being more random, or at least trying to appear random. Katy Perry and Weavonce were the biggest imposters once Gaga came on the scene. Then, you see Katy Scary wanting to be "odd" in her appearance and Weavonce was quick to do a duet with Gaga to remind fans that she was still "Queen B" or whatever they call her these days.

SeventeenDayze said:

MotownSubdivision said:

Shoot, the music scene is still oversaturated with female pop acts if the VMAs this year served as any deputation for the music scene. As far as Gaga goes, I'm not sure I understand when you say that she came at a time when her contemporaries had no competition; what do you mean?

What I meant was that Gaga debuted when the market was oversatured with female pop acts but she somehow managed to be different in her own right. It then seemed like they all tried to follow HER in being more random, or at least trying to appear random. Katy Perry and Weavonce were the biggest imposters once Gaga came on the scene. Then, you see Katy Scary wanting to be "odd" in her appearance and Weavonce was quick to do a duet with Gaga to remind fans that she was still "Queen B" or whatever they call her these days.

Understandable. And you're right. Let's not also forget Nicki coming into the picture not long after, Rihanna going down the more risque route, as well as Miley's initial failed attempt to prove she was no longer Hannah Montana.

thedoorkeeper said:

Bell Bill DeVoe. 1 hit album and that was it.

It's strange how things turned out for all the New Edition guys.

In 1990,Bell Biv Devoe were riding high with their album,as was Johnny Gill.A year later,Ralph Tresvant finally came out with his solo album and it,too,was a huge success.

But when all three acts released follow-ups,they flopped.Even Bobby Brown's 1992 album didn't do nearly as well as Don't Be Cruel.

Maybe their fans simply like them all together,as a group?

In the states:

Hootie and the blowfish

SeventeenDayze said:

MickyDolenz said:

There's sometimes an exception though. In the early 1970s, Rufus Thomas was having hits on the R&B charts and he was in his mid 50s. His first big hit came in his 40s with Walking The Dog. Then there's Tina Turner's comeback in 1984 when she was around 45 after years of obscurity. George Harrison had a hit album (Cloud Nine) when he was 45 and a #1 song (I Got My Mind Set On You). Paul Simon was around the same age when Graceland became a big hit album.

And let's not forget Prince Rogers Nelson had a huge hit with Musicology when he was 45

Wasn't that the album fans were receiving as part of the ticket sales at his concerts at the time? I remember those were used to determine sales and chart positons for the album.

kitbradley said:

SeventeenDayze said:

And let's not forget Prince Rogers Nelson had a huge hit with Musicology when he was 45

Wasn't that the album fans were receiving as part of the ticket sales at his concerts at the time? I remember those were used to determine sales and chart positons for the album.

Yeah, if a family of 5 went to the concert, then they got 5 CDs. Ordinarily 5 people in the same house doesn't buy the same album. Kinda stuffing the ballot box.

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On the older act thing, Weird Al's new album and videos are popular and he's 54.

What about Billy Ocean, and I'm not sure what to say about Sade.

I think T boz and Chilli are underated vocalists. TLC was huge, and a lot of their hits didn't feature Left Eye, so I'm surprised they never had (larger) solo careers.

Beautifulstarr123 said:

What about Billy Ocean, and I'm not sure what to say about Sade.

Sade never fell off. All of their albums were successful, even though they rarely release anything and their concerts are popular. I don't think Sade Adu is really that interested in show business, but the other band members do session work. I guess she is rich enough that she doesn't have to perform if she doesn't want to. I think Billy Ocean had label problems, then he retired from show business to raise his family.

Bros, Hanson, The Jonas Brothers..?

Debbie Gibson I remember she was extremely popular in the late 80s,with hit singles like "Only In In My Dreams" and "Foolish Beat" (which I liked).A year or so later,she was already a has-been.

I work at a dialysis clinic here in the metro detroit area, and back in 2011 Bo$$ was a dialysis patient at a clinic I used to work at for overtime. When someone pointed her out to me, I didn't approach her for weeks because I grew up believing that she was exactly like the hard gangsta person that I saw on tv. One day I finally went and talked to her, and found her to be a very sweet, likeable, and beautiful person. She is gorgeous! She eventually told me who she was (and I acted like I didn't know that she was Bo$$) and she never brought it up again and neither did I. I think she eventually got a kidney transplant.

TonyVanDam said:

MickyDolenz said:

Kind of like how in the beginning The Beatles were considered "wholesome & dreamy" and The Rolling Stones "bad boys". In the opposite way, there was a female gangsta rapper named Bo$$, who was outed as coming from an upper middle class background and that she attended Catholic School. So her street cred was shot.

......and Bo$$' black neo-conservative parents were registered members of the Rupublican Party! THAT ruined Bo$$' rap career most than anything else that ruined her street cred, which she had none to begin with.

SoulAlive said:

Debbie Gibson I remember she was extremely popular in the late 80s,with hit singles like "Only In In My Dreams" and "Foolish Beat" (which I liked).A year or so later,she was already a has-been.

Not quite yet. Debbie did have 2 more major hits with Lost In Your Eyes & Electric Youth, the latter being the title track for her second album.

Historically speaking, any successful disco artists from the 70s experienced a fall from grace, namely The Bee Gees and Donna Summer.

One of the saddest fall from grace was Whitney Houston, her career never again reached the heights of the 80s and the Bodyguard era.

MC Hammer, Vanilla Ice, Boyz II Men, NKOTB, Paula Abdul (to a lesser extent because of the success of AI) fell off from their success in the 90s.

In recent years, Britney Spears really fell off, and Chris Brown was just about to break out, he was about to challenge Usher for his spot but he fucked up royally.

I think there needs to be some differentiation between no longer popular, less popular/different and a fall from grace.

For instance, Hanson only had one major label release after that mmm-bop album. Since then they've self-released five albums (right up to last year) and an ep, all of which have been critically praised and sold fairly well. They can tour medium sized theaters, probably, for the rest of their lives.

George Michael, on the other hand, was caught several times doing things like trying to have sex with strange men in public restrooms and passing out in his car while on any number of substances.

Debbie Gibson never got caught doing anything, or had a smaller career, she just disappeared because she wasn't popular anymore. This happens to a lot of artists (pop more than most), a majority even, as tastes change and audiences age.

All of those are different to me, and only the George Michael case is one I would consider a fall from grace.

Cerebus said:

I think there needs to be some differentiation between no longer popular, less popular/different and a fall from grace.

For instance, Hanson only had one major label release after that mmm-bop album. Since then they've self-released five albums (right up to last year) and an ep, all of which have been critically praised and sold fairly well. They can tour medium sized theaters, probably, for the rest of their lives.

George Michael, on the other hand, was caught several times doing things like trying to have sex with strange men in public restrooms and passing out in his car while on any number of substances.

Debbie Gibson never got caught doing anything, or had a smaller career, she just disappeared because she wasn't popular anymore. This happens to a lot of artists (pop more than most), a majority even, as tastes change and audiences age.

All of those are different to me, and only the George Michael case is one I would consider a fall from grace.

I agree with this though I had no clue about George's fall from grace. That's damn miserable that he brought it on himself especially with what he did if what you say is true.

That said, to the post above this one, the only true fall from graces I would say you mentioned are MC Hammer, Chris Brown, and Britney. Boyz II Men shouldn't even be on the list, they just got less popular over time as almost every popular artist or group does. Vanilla Ice had one hit song and was never a major star anyway. NKOTB had their 15 minutes of boyband fame and disappeared after a few years and while I hardly know anything about her, from what I've gathered, Paula Abdul simply slid down and off the charts as time progressed.

I agree with Cerebus' reasoning and this is why I don't think Whitney has any business in this thread, she never fell from grace, it was a gradual cooling off after The Bodyguard. She only had one #1 hit single after that, My Love Is Your Love debuted weak but in the end sold decently due to the title track and It's Not Right But It's Okay, her 2000 greatest hits album was well-received but its singles didn't make a dent, so 2002's flop Just Whitney was not that shocking in terms of the changes of musical landscape and so on.

However, George Michael is still viewed as kind of a national treasure in the UK, his 2007 compilation Twenty Five and his pseudo-live album Symphonica this year both debuted at #1 and sold very well considering the fact that his last studio album was released a decade ago.

Donna Summer and The Bee Gees did have swift changes in their careers and they were basically shut off from the industry (bar one late hit for both: You Win Again & This Time I Know It's For Real) so I guess they are the closest to the subject matter of the thread...

kitbradley said:

SeventeenDayze said:

And let's not forget Prince Rogers Nelson had a huge hit with Musicology when he was 45

Wasn't that the album fans were receiving as part of the ticket sales at his concerts at the time? I remember those were used to determine sales and chart positons for the album.

I think so but it still counts for something even though I ended up with three Musicology CDs that way I think the album was still pretty solid, even with ICPAC

SoulAlive said:

Debbie Gibson I remember she was extremely popular in the late 80s,with hit singles like "Only In In My Dreams" and "Foolish Beat" (which I liked).A year or so later,she was already a has-been.

It's stuff like this that fans the flames of the illuminati/conspiracy theorists that say that record executives are like Satan and you have to pay the piper to stay relevant, or else. Maybe she didn't play the right games behind the scenes, so to speak, and that was a fast track to becoming a has been pretty much overnight

jillybean said:

Not in all instances (as some people whose careers suffered after mega-stardom still produced damn fine music, which unfortunately went unheard by many), but in some cases, wouldn't you say it's a lack of better material? Gaga was highly unlikely to sustain her original fame (after Fame and Fame Monster), but BTW and especially ArtPop just weren't that great. Same with TTD. Same with Britney. Granted, lots of folks still produced really good tracks and, for some reason, they didn't resonate with the public at large. Just a thought I had.

As far as Gaga goes, don't they say that it's always the third album that really makes or breaks an artist? Or is it the second album? Something like that...

LiveToTell86 said:

I agree with Cerebus' reasoning and this is why I don't think Whitney has any business in this thread, she never fell from grace, it was a gradual cooling off after The Bodyguard. She only had one #1 hit single after that, My Love Is Your Love debuted weak but in the end sold decently due to the title track and It's Not Right But It's Okay, her 2000 greatest hits album was well-received but its singles didn't make a dent, so 2002's flop Just Whitney was not that shocking in terms of the changes of musical landscape and so on.

However, George Michael is still viewed as kind of a national treasure in the UK, his 2007 compilation Twenty Five and his pseudo-live album Symphonica this year both debuted at #1 and sold very well considering the fact that his last studio album was released a decade ago.

Donna Summer and The Bee Gees did have swift changes in their careers and they were basically shut off from the industry (bar one late hit for both: You Win Again & This Time I Know It's For Real) so I guess they are the closest to the subject matter of the thread...

Don't forget that Ms. Houston had a huge comeback of sorts with Waiting to Exhale.

thatruth said:

Historically speaking, any successful disco artists from the 70s experienced a fall from grace, namely The Bee Gees and Donna Summer.

One of the saddest fall from grace was Whitney Houston, her career never again reached the heights of the 80s and the Bodyguard era.

MC Hammer, Vanilla Ice, Boyz II Men, NKOTB, Paula Abdul (to a lesser extent because of the success of AI) fell off from their success in the 90s.

In recent years, Britney Spears really fell off, and Chris Brown was just about to break out, he was about to challenge Usher for his spot but he fucked up royally.

I wouldn't agree with the idea of Donna Summer having a drastic fall from grace after the 70's, at least in the U.S. While her sales undoubtedly fell off from her late 70's peak, she could still get respectable hits and airplay with songs like The Wanderer, She Works Hard For the Money, Love Is In Control and This Time I Know It's for Real during the 80's. Proof that there was still a sizeable audience for her music. How many of her peers from the 1970's could say that about their own careers in the 80's?

LiveToTell86 said:

I agree with Cerebus' reasoning and this is why I don't think Whitney has any business in this thread, she never fell from grace, it was a gradual cooling off after The Bodyguard. She only had one #1 hit single after that, My Love Is Your Love debuted weak but in the end sold decently due to the title track and It's Not Right But It's Okay, her 2000 greatest hits album was well-received but its singles didn't make a dent, so 2002's flop Just Whitney was not that shocking in terms of the changes of musical landscape and so on.

However, George Michael is still viewed as kind of a national treasure in the UK, his 2007 compilation Twenty Five and his pseudo-live album Symphonica this year both debuted at #1 and sold very well considering the fact that his last studio album was released a decade ago.

Donna Summer and The Bee Gees did have swift changes in their careers and they were basically shut off from the industry (bar one late hit for both: You Win Again & This Time I Know It's For Real) so I guess they are the closest to the subject matter of the thread...

Huh? Bee Gees had plenty of hits beyond the 70s. America is not the world.

SeventeenDayze said:

LiveToTell86 said:

I agree with Cerebus' reasoning and this is why I don't think Whitney has any business in this thread, she never fell from grace, it was a gradual cooling off after The Bodyguard. She only had one #1 hit single after that, My Love Is Your Love debuted weak but in the end sold decently due to the title track and It's Not Right But It's Okay, her 2000 greatest hits album was well-received but its singles didn't make a dent, so 2002's flop Just Whitney was not that shocking in terms of the changes of musical landscape and so on.

However, George Michael is still viewed as kind of a national treasure in the UK, his 2007 compilation Twenty Five and his pseudo-live album Symphonica this year both debuted at #1 and sold very well considering the fact that his last studio album was released a decade ago.

Donna Summer and The Bee Gees did have swift changes in their careers and they were basically shut off from the industry (bar one late hit for both: You Win Again & This Time I Know It's For Real) so I guess they are the closest to the subject matter of the thread...

Don't forget that Ms. Houston had a huge comeback of sorts with Waiting to Exhale.

It was the follow-up to The Bodyguard, NOT a comeback, it was her last #1 single as I mentioned, it even debuted at #1 on the Hot 100, the third single to do so after Michael Jackson's You Are Not Alone & Mariah Carey's Fantasy. The second single Count On Me was a top 10 hit but got a lot less airplay and the 3rd single Why Does It Hurt So Bad missed the top 20.

LiveToTell86 said:

SeventeenDayze said:

Don't forget that Ms. Houston had a huge comeback of sorts with Waiting to Exhale.

It was the follow-up to The Bodyguard, NOT a comeback, it was her last #1 single as I mentioned, it even debuted at #1 on the Hot 100, the third single to do so after Michael Jackson's You Are Not Alone & Mariah Carey's Fantasy. The second single Count On Me was a top 10 hit but got a lot less airplay and the 3rd single Why Does It Hurt So Bad missed the top 20.

Am I reading this wrong or did you not mention Waiting to Exhale in the post that you did that I originally responded to? Either way, she still had a large following and people still loved here even though she really fell off a cliff, so to speak. Everyone blames Bobby Brown but perhaps she was already a bit of a druggie before she even laid eyes on him the first time. I think the media blew their age difference out of proportion and forgot to focus on the fact that they were probably both highly addictive/addicted personalities that was just a train wreck waiting to happen.