Why? Just. Why?

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smoothcriminal12 said:

Anyone hyped for Don't Be Messin' Around?

I'm just waiting for someone to post it on YouTube and then play it before they decide to delete it...

NaughtyKitty said:

Why? Just. Why?

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What is there? I can t watch it over here.

One unreleased song ?

Don't be messin ? which version? there is an old one , and one created in 2009 .

seeingvoices12 said:

One unreleased song ?

Don't be messin ? which version? there is an old one , and one created in 2009 .

There are three versions, an older one where michael plays piano, one during the dangerous era which is more upbeat..and i didnt know he rerecorded it in 09. but i guess we will just have to see.

i think they should release the original, as it was recorded around Bad

Oprah's Interview with MJ in the 1993 has the highest rating among televised interviews in history. Interview with children in 2010 has the highest rating for her show for the last 3 years ... it is obvious that she would never leave him, despite her personal negative attitude. Ratings = money.

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And I dont understand why I just cant stop loving you??This is the weakest of his five number 1 from the album Bad.
Estate is behaving very strangely ... first album Michael with weak and fake songs (although they have Do you know where your children are? Blue gangsta, Slave of the rhytm) ..... now this ....

kibbles said:

dag said:

I have never heard or am not aware of the highlighted stuff. If that's true, than yes, I would have to agree with you.

Do you know where I could find these court documents from 2005? I remember reading transcripts back then on KOP board. I don't know if they were complete. And I haven't had much time since his death to go real deep in some affairs regarding Mike.

One has to feel sorry about MIke. He truly couldn't trust anyone, not even his family. The LMP video that I posted earlier about her finding out that everyone around her was using her and how she just had to totally run away from it all, imagine it all magnified by million in MJ's case cause compared to her cause she's still a "small fish" even though she is Elvis' daughter. It's a pity Mike is not alive and that they have not met now cause I think she is in a state today where she has found herself and would be more understanding to him. Maybe they would be finally both mature enough to make it work.

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i don't know how to access the former mjjc archives which i think are at mjjforum. but i found a link to a bbc story that talks about how debbie described mj in her police statement which directly contradicted the 'loving' picture she painted of him on the stand.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/h...511071.stm

believe me, the police statement that i read at the mjjc site was FAR worse.

here is a link to the tmz story about debbie and marc:

http://www.tmz.com/2010/0...son-tokyo/

so as you can see, there is a MAJOR PROBLEM with ms. rowe, and i only hope that since prince and paris are computer savvy and connected, they will see some this stories, and ask information about their father from people like tom meseareau who can give them the straight dope, good, bad or indifferent about their dad. at least what tom says will be coming from a place of honesty, which rowe knows nothing about.

on edit: i tried to find a report about debbie's lawyer on larry king, but i could only find references to the story which was originally reported on tmz:

http://today.msnbc.msn.co...-children/

the children had been living with mj all their lives, and after the trial mj understandably left the usa to escape the fallout of his acquittal. but instead of giving him space, all debbie could do was accuse him of kidnapping - exactly what the arvisos did. i'm sorry but i will never have a kind thing to say about her. she's exactly like all the rest.

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All I know about her is based on her TV interviews and the testimony she gave during the court. It did seem strange to me that she was a prosecution witness. I have no idea why they wanted to call her. I can't remember whose witness were Mac Culkin, Wade Robson (since the prosecution tried to claim they were the victims as well), or June Chandler, but I thought they just called to take the stand, they came and said the truth. I figured they called her hoping she would say something negative about him since she was in the middle of a custody battle with Mike at the time, if I am not mistaken. I know she is connected to certain shady people like Klein etc, but she hasn't accused him publically of anything ridiculous as others, so I was just kinda puzzled not knowing what to make of that.

Anyway, I think that Mike was kinda selfish when it came to his kids. I am not sure he'd be willing to "share custody" of them with anyone, so if she truly went to court to fight for them and was genuine, I am not sure that Mike would be open to discussion. He wanted to raise them on his own (and he did do a great job raising them) and maybe got afraid she would hurt and betray him as well, cause he sure must have been a bit paranoid when it might seem to him that someone could betray him, but hell I don't blame him.

What amazes me though is if she truly is as shady as all the rest of them, she should have been given an Oscar for her interviews cause they seem so genuine and I just can't understand how someone could lie so easily and convincingly about stuff, if that truly is the case.

And look what's going on with Paris? Who makes her do these interviews? I doubt Paris wakes up in the morning and calls Oprah to have a sit down with her. Why does Katherine allow that?

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dag said:

NaughtyKitty said:

Why? Just. Why?

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What is there? I can t watch it over here.

Its a promo of Oprah's upcoming shows and interviews that will air this summer on her OWN network. Included in the promo is a 5 second clip of her interview with Paris. I've been told that the interview was filmed earlier this year.

NaughtyKitty said:

dag said:

What is there? I can t watch it over here.

Its a promo of Oprah's upcoming shows and interviews that will air this summer on her OWN network. Included in the promo is a 5 second clip of her interview with Paris. I've been told that the interview was filmed earlier this year.

Thanks. Is it about Mike?

dag said:

NaughtyKitty said:

Its a promo of Oprah's upcoming shows and interviews that will air this summer on her OWN network. Included in the promo is a 5 second clip of her interview with Paris. I've been told that the interview was filmed earlier this year.

Thanks. Is it about Mike?

Well the clip showed Oprah asking Paris what it was like seeing her dad perform for the first time. No doubt the interview will focus on Michael, its not like Paris has a career of her own to discuss

NaughtyKitty said:

dag said:

Thanks. Is it about Mike?

Well the clip showed Oprah asking Paris what it was like seeing her dad perform for the first time. No doubt the interview will focus on Michael, its not like Paris has a career of her own to discuss

Yeah, thanks. I've managed to find it on another site where I could see it.

NaughtyKitty said:

dag said:

Thanks. Is it about Mike?

Well the clip showed Oprah asking Paris what it was like seeing her dad perform for the first time. No doubt the interview will focus on Michael, its not like Paris has a career of her own to discuss

Well she is doing a movie. But the movie is z-list, so I can't imagine they'll spend much time talking about it.

impudent girl ....

mookie said:

NaughtyKitty said:

Well the clip showed Oprah asking Paris what it was like seeing her dad perform for the first time. No doubt the interview will focus on Michael, its not like Paris has a career of her own to discuss

Well she is doing a movie. But the movie is z-list, so I can't imagine they'll spend much time talking about it.

Yes, but I dont know if they have started filming yet?

NaughtyKitty said:

Yes, but I dont know if they have started filming yet?

No!! That's what makes this interview seem like such overkill. The producer guy talks up this film like crazy on twitter and according to him, they begin filming in the summer.

I LOL'd!! He should've moonwalked!!

smoothcriminal12 said:

Anyone hyped for Don't Be Messin' Around?

YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSS:excited:

On Paris on Oprah for the 800th time: NO COMMENT

claudiax said:

Oprah interviews to paris again

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As bad as some may think this is to say or whatever, any time I see stuff like this, I wish Blanket was an only child. I can see Michael when I look at him, and he's the only one who seems to abide by the way he was raised.....

WaterInYourBath said:

claudiax said:

Oprah interviews to paris again

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As bad as some may think this is to say or whatever, any time I see stuff like this, I wish Blanket was an only child. I can see Michael when I look at him, and he's the only one who seems to abide by the way he was raised.....

I think Prince also doesn't like the spotlight that much. He's not looking for it. Paris likes it. Let's hope she'll handle everything alright. Blanket is a character, that's for sure. Too freaking cute. I want his hair.

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WaterInYourBath said:

claudiax said:

Oprah interviews to paris again

As bad as some may think this is to say or whatever, any time I see stuff like this, I wish Blanket was an only child. I can see Michael when I look at him, and he's the only one who seems to abide by the way he was raised.....

it may not be nice, but i understand what you mean. i refuse to believe that paris *doesn't* know by now how oprah really feels about her father. unfortunately paris is taking a page from her aunt latoya's playbook. she's enjoying being famous because of who she's related to. she hasn't had to work for the attention she's receiving, and what she really cares about is promoting herself and this project that everyone knows is going nowhere. sad, really.

kibbles said:

WaterInYourBath said:

it may not be nice, but i understand what you mean. i refuse to believe that paris *doesn't* know by now how oprah really feels about her father. unfortunately paris is taking a page from her aunt latoya's playbook. she's enjoying being famous because of who she's related to. she hasn't had to work for the attention she's receiving, and what she really cares about is promoting herself and this project that everyone knows is going nowhere. sad, really.

All those followers she has on twitter, all of them MJ fans

kibbles said:

it may not be nice, but i understand what you mean. i refuse to believe that paris *doesn't* know by now how oprah really feels about her father. unfortunately paris is taking a page from her aunt latoya's playbook. she's enjoying being famous because of who she's related to. she hasn't had to work for the attention she's receiving, and what she really cares about is promoting herself and this project that everyone knows is going nowhere. sad, really.

Poor kid doesn't get that overexposure is a bad thing. And I have to say it is shocking to see so many MJ fans saying she needs to get out there to promote her career. They of all people should know what the media is going to eventually do to this kid.

I just came from one site and someone actually said just because Oprah hated MJ doesn't mean his kids have to not like her.

mookie said:

kibbles said:

it may not be nice, but i understand what you mean. i refuse to believe that paris *doesn't* know by now how oprah really feels about her father. unfortunately paris is taking a page from her aunt latoya's playbook. she's enjoying being famous because of who she's related to. she hasn't had to work for the attention she's receiving, and what she really cares about is promoting herself and this project that everyone knows is going nowhere. sad, really.

Poor kid doesn't get that overexposure is a bad thing. And I have to say it is shocking to see so many MJ fans saying she needs to get out there to promote her career. They of all people should know what the media is going to eventually do to this kid.

I just came from one site and someone actually said just because Oprah hated MJ doesn't mean his kids have to not like her.

Please guys.... its funny yall are really foughting a 14 YEAR OLD GIRL....:disbeliefs:

Its not her fought... its THEM MONEY HUNGRY JACKSON CLAN.... They started this mess....

They push Paris out there because she is the most outspoken but still.... They obviously do not give a fuck about Michaels wishes or what he wanted. I dont blame Paris she is just a child. Yall making it seem like shes 30. The girl is not even 16 yet come on now.....

mjscarousal said:

Please guys.... its funny yall are really foughting a 14 YEAR OLD GIRL....:disbeliefs:

Its not her fought... its THEM MONEY HUNGRY JACKSON CLAN.... They started this mess....

They push Paris out there because she is the most outspoken but still.... They obviously do not give a fuck about Michaels wishes or what he wanted. I dont blame Paris she is just a child. Yall making it seem like shes 30. The girl is not even 16 yet come on now.....

it took me a minute to understand, but i think the words you're looking for are "faulting" and "fault", respectively.

paris is outspoken, that's why it's hard for me to believe that she can't open her mouth to show some respect for her father. they can't make her do this - and look so confident about doing it - if she didn't want to do it in the first place. prince was at that so-called tribute concert, and other things, but he seems to know where to draw the line and say 'no, i'm not sitting down with this hypocritical bitch oprah'. i never hear about him 'tweeting' like crazy, and posting pix of himself.

kibbles said:

mjscarousal said:

Please guys.... its funny yall are really foughting a 14 YEAR OLD GIRL....:disbeliefs:

Its not her fought... its THEM MONEY HUNGRY JACKSON CLAN.... They started this mess....

They push Paris out there because she is the most outspoken but still.... They obviously do not give a fuck about Michaels wishes or what he wanted. I dont blame Paris she is just a child. Yall making it seem like shes 30. The girl is not even 16 yet come on now.....

it took me a minute to understand, but i think the words you're looking for are "faulting" and "fault", respectively.

paris is outspoken, that's why it's hard for me to believe that she can't open her mouth to show some respect for her father. they can't make her do this - and look so confident about doing it - if she didn't want to do it in the first place. prince was at that so-called tribute concert, and other things, but he seems to know where to draw the line and say 'no, i'm not sitting down with this hypocritical bitch oprah'. i never hear about him 'tweeting' like crazy, and posting pix of himself.

For real. It's easy to say "no" when you want to. Her mother is not around, and, like you implied, Mrs. Jackson is not forcing this little girl to go on television to promote some movie career when she's not even in high school yet. Plus, she has a surprisingly old demeanor anyway. She doesn't dress or act 14, but more like 24, so I bet Mrs. Jackson has no control over Paris' choices either way. What's worse is that Paris doesn't physically look that young either (so she could easily do things she shouldn't even have access to) and it's like she wants to be that way, instead of appreciating her time as a young child.

This is one aspect of MJ's tragedy that challenges hoax theories: If Michael were really around somewhere, he wouldn't be allowing any of this early exposure to take place with his daughter.

*waiting for everybody to realize that Paris is a TEENager*

Dren5 said:

*waiting for everybody to realize that Paris is a TEENager*

You're stating the obvious. That's why she needs to put her mask back on.

When she's 18, then she can do all of this media crap for no reason. I mean, seriously, someone tell me: Did Lisa Marie Presley ever appear in interviews on TV or in magazines before she became an adult?

dag said:

WaterInYourBath said:

As bad as some may think this is to say or whatever, any time I see stuff like this, I wish Blanket was an only child. I can see Michael when I look at him, and he's the only one who seems to abide by the way he was raised.....

I think Prince also doesn't like the spotlight that much. He's not looking for it. Paris likes it. Let's hope she'll handle everything alright. Blanket is a character, that's for sure. Too freaking cute. I want his hair. [big picture of Blanket]

That's the star right there.