babybugz said:

Timmy84 said:

I think some folks here think Randy is a nonfactor... Just my opinion.

He''s far from it because honestly when Jermaine left and Randy joined they became a much better group.

I agree. When they were the Jackson 5, they weren't even the BEST group Motown had in the '70s (that goes to the Commodores and the Temptations).

babybugz said:

Timmy84 said:

I think some folks here think Randy is a nonfactor... Just my opinion.

He''s far from it because honestly when Jermaine left and Randy joined they became a much better group.

The founders of The Jacksons Sound: Jackie/Michael/Randy

Period. End of story.

TonyVanDam said:

babybugz said:

He''s far from it because honestly when Jermaine left and Randy joined they became a much better group.

The founders of The Jacksons Sound: Jackie/Michael/Randy

Period. End of story.

Yup.

TonyVanDam said:

babybugz said:

He''s far from it because honestly when Jermaine left and Randy joined they became a much better group.

The founders of The Jacksons Sound: Jackie/Michael/Randy

Period. End of story.

Preach it .. when I listen to them it's rarely the jackson 5 . I'm a fan of both though but I lean more towards when Randy was included.

TonyVanDam said:

Now Randy has to be excluded from a Jacksons "Reunion" tour as well?!?

I'm sure that nobody is excluding him. He obviously doesn't want to take part.

babybugz said:

Timmy84 said:

I think some folks here think Randy is a nonfactor... Just my opinion.

He''s far from it because honestly when Jermaine left and Randy joined they became a much better group.

I'm not saying that that might not be true, but how can you tell?? Before Jermaine left they were not allowed to write and record their own stuff.

TonyVanDam said:

babybugz said:

He''s far from it because honestly when Jermaine left and Randy joined they became a much better group.

The founders of The Jacksons Sound: Jackie/Michael/Randy

Period. End of story.

A) What does that have to do with a live performance and B) how do you know what his contributions really were?

^ Well that's what they get for signing with Motown...

babybugz said:

Timmy84 said:

I think some folks here think Randy is a nonfactor... Just my opinion.

He''s far from it because honestly when Jermaine left and Randy joined they became a much better group.

purplethunder3121 said:

babybugz said:

He''s far from it because honestly when Jermaine left and Randy joined they became a much better group.

Ugh, didn't he have cheek surgery or something? They look droopy, either cheek implants or his nose made his cheeks sullen almost.

purplethunder3121 said:

babybugz said:

He''s far from it because honestly when Jermaine left and Randy joined they became a much better group.

Just spilling the true tea. [img:$uid]http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r67/babybugz10457/funny%20smilies/coffee.gif[/img:$uid]

Ah! Very mature! So he's old. So what?

OK, since you wanna go there...

Let's see how the two groups contributed to their own music.

THE JACKSON 5:

*Though they started off all playing instruments except Jackie, Motown didn't allow any of them to play anything.

*Like most Motown acts they were never able to write their music nor were they allowed to play their instruments (most of their Motown material were illusions into thinking they actually did play on their records but most of the music was either by the Funk Brothers or the Wrecking Crew).

*Since they were mostly a teen group, they were basically the Teenagers/Beatles of their day with Michael as an obvious Frankie Lymon doppleganger, not that that's a bad thing.

*Michael was positioned like Diana Ross before him, like Martha Reeves before him, like Smokey Robinson before him, as THE STAR of the groups.

*Most of their albums produced filler material with some of their singles generating as real classics ("I Want You Back", "Who's Loving You", "I'll Be There", "ABC", "The Love You Save", "Never Can Say Goodbye", "Dancing Machine", "All I Do Is Think of You").

*By comparision to the groups Motown had in the '70s, the Temptations had better dance moves (as a unit) and the Commodores were a top notch band.

THE JACKSONS:

*After two albums that repeated the Motown formula, the Jacksons finally began playing their own instruments.

*Their own material was as good as the material written for them.

*The Jacksons vocally seemed to be more of a united group, it wasn't just Michael, all four contributed more.

*Jackie, Randy and Michael emerged as musical and lyrical composers along with Tito and Marlon ("Blues Away", "Different Kind of Lady", "Shake Your Body", "Things I Do For You", "Destiny", "Can You Feel It", "Give It Up", "Heartbreak 'This Place' Hotel", "Your Ways", "That's What You Get for Being Polite", etc., etc.).

*From the Destiny Tour to the Victory Tour, Randy rehearsed the band while Michael rehearsed the brothers' choreography and produced their stage shows.

*They were more of a self contained unit and Tito proved to be a good guitarist without help of any other guitarists like he was forced to when he was with Motown.

*They perfected the disco-pop sound of the late '70s along with the Bee Gees (ironically both groups were family acts).

Jermaine, after he left the Jackson 5, struggled to find his sound on his own but did begin to find his calling as a producer. Without him, Switch and DeBarge wouldn't have existed and, maybe, Rick James since Rick was signed to his and Hazel Gordy's management team (according to brooksie). When he did finally have solo success (in the '80s), it was usually at the hands of others (Stevie Wonder & Lee Garrett, Devo, Syreeta, etc.).

Randy also wasn't just there to play bongos, dude could play a mean piano too. He might've not been a decent vocalist but he pulled his weight at a time they needed it. Not a lot of folks understood the dynamics with the Jacksons. I think had they been with a different company than Motown, they might've had pulled their weight if Jermaine was still a part of them but they missed the mark because Motown kept them enslaved despite them helping the family reach the top.

Nice! And again I ask, what does this have to do with a reunion tour?? It's all totally irrelevant. If they'd had plans to do a new album, then obviously it wouldn't hurt them to have Randy by their side. But when it comes to performing their songs he's a non factor.

Timmy84 said:

Randy also wasn't just there to play bongos, dude could play a mean piano too. He might've not been a decent vocalist but he pulled his weight at a time they needed it. Not a lot of folks understood the dynamics with the Jacksons. I think had they been with a different company than Motown, they might've had pulled their weight if Jermaine was still a part of them but they missed the mark because Motown kept them enslaved despite them helping the family reach the top.

Exactly!

Randy was very essential to the group and contributed alot in it. The Jacksons were a GROUP. There is a deeper issue why Randy didnt want to take part in this.

mjscarousal said:

Timmy84 said:

Randy also wasn't just there to play bongos, dude could play a mean piano too. He might've not been a decent vocalist but he pulled his weight at a time they needed it. Not a lot of folks understood the dynamics with the Jacksons. I think had they been with a different company than Motown, they might've had pulled their weight if Jermaine was still a part of them but they missed the mark because Motown kept them enslaved despite them helping the family reach the top.

Exactly!

Randy was very essential to the group and contributed alot in it. The Jacksons were a GROUP. There is a deeper issue why Randy didnt want to take part in this.

Oh, you think? Maybe he just doesn't want to do it without Michael?! Why do people always have to invent drama, when the reason might be much less complicated.

PatrickS77 said:

mjscarousal said:

Exactly!

Randy was very essential to the group and contributed alot in it. The Jacksons were a GROUP. There is a deeper issue why Randy didnt want to take part in this.

Oh, you think? Maybe he just doesn't want to do it without Michael?! Why do people always have to invent drama, when the reason might be much less complicated.

Patrick me implying that it is a deeper issue in no way suggests that its drama.

manthevan said:

Timmy84 said:

Well this definitely confirms that there's still a lot of dysfunction between the brothers, much like there's dysfunction with the Clark Sisters (Denise Clark Bradford hasn't performed with her sisters since 1986 and many consider Twinkie, Dorinda, Karen and Jacky THE Clark Sisters). Randy's backing out of anything any of the brothers are doing is telling considering he's in a different boat. Randy always seemed to have a mind of his own and that never went well with some of the brothers and definitely not with Papa Joe, who used to treat Randy like shit growing up saying he wasn't as talented as his older brothers. I'm sure there's still scars. Randy just doesn't seem to appreciate what his brothers and has been known to tell it like it is on his side. I doubt Randy will ever do music again and he's probably confused as to why his older brothers are doing this. In many ways, it still seems incomplete without Randy because it doesn't seem to be a "real reunion".

Yes I agree and it is kind of disturbing if the other brothers (like Jackie seems to do) will act like Randy doesn't even exist.

Randy was one of the best songwriters in the family and he also played a lot of the keyboards and contributed to the rythm arrangements during their concerts. Randy was the one who went through all the songs and rehearsed tha band before the Victory tour (not Michael or Jermaine). That says something.

Really? I didnt know that. I think Randy should be a part of the concert but it seems like he's not interested in doing it. I bet it's probably because of friction/tension between the brothers.

NaughtyKitty said:

manthevan said:

Yes I agree and it is kind of disturbing if the other brothers (like Jackie seems to do) will act like Randy doesn't even exist.

Randy was one of the best songwriters in the family and he also played a lot of the keyboards and contributed to the rythm arrangements during their concerts. Randy was the one who went through all the songs and rehearsed tha band before the Victory tour (not Michael or Jermaine). That says something.

Really? I didnt know that. I think Randy should be a part of the concert but it seems like he's not interested in doing it. I bet it's probably because of friction/tension between the brothers.

The friction and tension never leaves.

NaughtyKitty said:

manthevan said:

Yes I agree and it is kind of disturbing if the other brothers (like Jackie seems to do) will act like Randy doesn't even exist.

Randy was one of the best songwriters in the family and he also played a lot of the keyboards and contributed to the rythm arrangements during their concerts. Randy was the one who went through all the songs and rehearsed tha band before the Victory tour (not Michael or Jermaine). That says something.

Really? I didnt know that. I think Randy should be a part of the concert but it seems like he's not interested in doing it. I bet it's probably because of friction/tension between the brothers.

I think its even more sad when MJ fans want to write him off like he didnt even exist and contributed nothing. Any true Jackson 5/Jackson fan knows that he was essential in that group.

And even if he wasnt.... I think its very disturbing how Jermaine, Marlon, Jackie and Tito are doing interviews saying things like their happy that ALL the brothers could get together when Randy is not included in the tour They dont even mention why he couldnt participate. They act as if they are the only remaining brothers, thats some fucked up shit.. something definitly went down behind the scenes.

Makes you wonder how Randy is really viewed in that family...

Timmy84 said:

Makes you wonder how Randy is really viewed in that family...

Yeah it does

Mjscarousal I agree. Randy wasnt a part of the Jackson Five but he was an essential part of the Jacksons and the brothers could at least mention Randy and say why he's not a part of this reunion. SMH.

PatrickS77 said:

Nice! And again I ask, what does this have to do with a reunion tour?? It's all totally irrelevant. If they'd had plans to do a new album, then obviously it wouldn't hurt them to have Randy by their side. But when it comes to performing their songs he's a non factor.

If they are going to sing Shake your body /Can you feel it etc then Randy should be a part of the lineup. He was a part of a lot of their more popular songs. Marlon/Tito and Jackie was in the background for the certain songs but they are there right? so what's the difference if Randy showed up?

Timmy84 said:

Makes you wonder how Randy is really viewed in that family...

It was weird when they said all.

babybugz said:

Timmy84 said:

Makes you wonder how Randy is really viewed in that family...

It was weird when they said all.

It's like Randy's dead to them.

babybugz said:

PatrickS77 said:

Nice! And again I ask, what does this have to do with a reunion tour?? It's all totally irrelevant. If they'd had plans to do a new album, then obviously it wouldn't hurt them to have Randy by their side. But when it comes to performing their songs he's a non factor.

If they are going to sing Shake your body /Can you feel it etc then Randy should be a part of the lineup. He was a part of a lot of their more popular songs. Marlon/Tito and Jackie was in the background for the certain songs but they are there right? so what's the difference if Randy showed up?

Well, the difference is, that they want to do it and Randy apparantly doesn't. If he wanted to join the reunion and they wouldn't let him, I'm sure we would have/will hear about it one way or the other sooner or later. Right now it is to be assumed that he doesn't want to join. End of it... all the innuendos and the he should and they should and blablabla is pointless really.

Timmy84 said:

babybugz said:

It was weird when they said all.

It's like Randy's dead to them.

It seems. I thought him and jermaine were the two who had issues with each other though.

mjscarousal said:

NaughtyKitty said:

Really? I didnt know that. I think Randy should be a part of the concert but it seems like he's not interested in doing it. I bet it's probably because of friction/tension between the brothers.

I think its even more sad when MJ fans want to write him off like he didnt even exist and contributed nothing. Any true Jackson 5/Jackson fan knows that he was essential in that group.

And even if he wasnt.... I think its very disturbing how Jermaine, Marlon, Jackie and Tito are doing interviews saying things like their happy that ALL the brothers could get together when Randy is not included in the tour They dont even mention why he couldnt participate. They act as if they are the only remaining brothers, thats some fucked up shit.. something definitly went down behind the scenes.

Oh yes... very disturbing... frightening disturbing. Geez. Why do people always assume the worst?Maybe they are just angry/disappointed at him for not joining? Maybe they do not even take that shit all that serious and meant it in the sense of the original Jackson 5? Which again are pointless assumptions. It's none of our business anyway.

Why can't these men just leave this alone? It's been over 40 years, why should they still be on a stage anywhere? Maybe that's another reason Randy is not participating: He knows it will look bad.

Retirement needs to be forced on musicians like it can be in other industries.

babybugz said:

Timmy84 said:

It's like Randy's dead to them.

It seems. I thought him and jermaine were the two who had issues with each other though.

I was under that impression too...

PatrickS77 said:

mjscarousal said:

I think its even more sad when MJ fans want to write him off like he didnt even exist and contributed nothing. Any true Jackson 5/Jackson fan knows that he was essential in that group.

And even if he wasnt.... I think its very disturbing how Jermaine, Marlon, Jackie and Tito are doing interviews saying things like their happy that ALL the brothers could get together when Randy is not included in the tour They dont even mention why he couldnt participate. They act as if they are the only remaining brothers, thats some fucked up shit.. something definitly went down behind the scenes.

Oh yes... very disturbing... frightening disturbing. Geez. Why do people always assume the worst?Maybe they are just angry/disappointed at him for not joining? Maybe they do not even take that shit all that serious and meant it in the sense of the original Jackson 5? Which again are pointless assumptions. It's none of our business anyway.

Problem with that theory: they're in the public eye. Second, they said ALL. Why is Randy not included. Original Jackson 5 my ass. Michael's dead. So what are they? Jackson 4 now? Really? I love how folks go on about "it's nobody's business what they do" and "put them in your shoes". Yeah how about not. Unfortunately they set themselves up with that "all the brothers" statement. So uh yeah... [img:$uid]http://l.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons7/57.gif[/img:$uid] Yeah none of our business, mmhmm... but I remember we were talking about why the late great you-know-who was dealing with that shady manager but that's for another topic... let's just keep it on the Jackson brothers.